is it over?
I've been going to the gym and making decent progress for about a year and a half, but plateaued after the newbie gains phase.
Got a blood test because I've been having really bad gyno even though I'm at ~15% bf and I have 7.3 nmol/l testosterone (around 210 ng/dl)
My doctor said it's fine and that it's normal which I assume is to stop people abusing the system to get free T (I'm from Australia)
The fuck do I do now i'm 18 and have the T levels of an old man
sorry anon men have been poisoned
it’s over mate. steroid prices are highest in australia too. you were cursed the moment you were brought into this earth
might move to thailand, cheap T and ladyboys.
its a win-win in my book
>aussie going to thailand
i don't get the thailand meme the ladyboys weren't that great there i went to cancun and the latina trannies around the hotels were way hotter and could get hard when i fucked them also i didn't have to pay for a few of them
measuring test after 8 am is pointless
got the test at like 9 am
it says 9:40
here they won't even do it unless it's between 6am and 8am
Between 8 and 9h40 isn't that much that will drop it significantly
>clinical notes : gynecomastia
low T and gyno? fuuck dude ripperoni
Post diet
what's your diet like?
2500cals and >150g protein
depends on day to day but I eat as clean as possible and lots of red meat
Is there visible mold in your house or workplace?
Nope.
What is the deal with mold and testosterone?
certain mycotoxins mimic estrogen and reduce testosterone. it's not talked about a lot but there are several studies.
> 150g protein
Soi protein ?
nope only whey and red meat but mostly the latter
That’s insane man, I’m sure you could complain about low T symptoms deteriorating your quality of life and get some kind of help. I’ve heard they will prescribe clomid in some instances and even that would help you
If you’re below 350 in canada you get trt without questions, but I’d just buy black market if I was anywhere near that
yeah man my doctor claimed it was within normal range which it clearly fucking isn't and said that having higher t isn't a good thing, Australia is fucked for trt
that is fucked, i would tell him well i am depressed so give me ketamine. also i have anxiety from low T so give me xanax.
oh and my body hurts because higher T provides a greater pain threshold, give me hydromorphone too.
and if he didnt id file a report claiming unethical malpractice then find other doctors/politicians who dont like him and lobby to get his medical license revoked kek
I have diagnosed depression/anxiety and PTSD which i now think could be caused by this lmfao
>xanax
benzos absolutely nuke your test
yes but real actual xanax is worth its weight in gold, you could trade a 1 month bottle of bars for like a 6 month supply of UGL gear. and if your balls already dont work then so what?
>oh and my body hurts because higher T provides a greater pain threshold,
Does that explain why every exercise hurts in a bad way and i always gotta use higher reps and lower weights because of my fucking pussy body being a pussy?
testosterone causes pain receptor activation to release more dopamine and endorphins, making the exercise feel better so yes.
low T also not surprisingly causes low estradiol conversion, and estradiol has a role in pain management as well.
shit so chronic pain and being more "fragile" in tolerance to weight lifting might actually be low T issue. I mean gains are coming slow and sleep is difficult to get. Makes sense. Interesting. Not OP just curious
Do you go out and get sunlight?
he's australian, he gets skin cancer from just opening the window blinds
dude im Aussie ofc i get sunlight
I got my test back two days ago, 27.4 nmol/L - and that was the only thing my doctor sent me. Didn't even say if it was low or normal, but I think this is supposed to be in the hundreds so it's probably over for me as well. Any tips of how to proceed? I'm 31... I thought being an old fuck would give me T no questions asked
nah bro you're good 27.4 nmol/l is like 790 ng/dl you're high normal
>27.4 nmol/l is like 790 ng/dl
I'm retarded, can't into fucking measurements. I kept reading the ng/dl in hundreds, even over 1000 was good. I still have symtomps on low T, not sure I really trust what they say is normal is actually normal. Why is it so difficult to get T anyway? Just getting the test was difficult "we don't usually test this on anyone under 40..."
>I still have symtomps on low T,
What is your shbg and free testosterone?
I don't know, the only thing I got sent was 27.4 nmol/L and I don't have an appointment until next week to find out the others since he didn't send them. What should they be in? I need to go prepared
>>27.4 nmol/l is like 790 ng/dl
still shit, i'm 37. You should be over 1k.
total testosterone is irrelevant
1k+ is borderline supraphysiological
Yeah you are retarded why did you have to ask instead of googling this
anything above 10 nmol/l is considered normal
t. 20 nmol/l
I'm taking pregnenolone for low t and it helps due to a genetic issue I have
Imo your next critical step is ordering 30x DNA sequencing. Or whatever is considered a full sequence. I paid for a 30x service so it's more accurate.
My low t is directly related to a genetic problem that I can now address. If you are not of a scientific mind you will need a genetic counselor or something to explain stuff.
You're just getting old.
Test levels decline naturally after your teen years.
In nature you were supposed to already have bred with 100's of women by this point.
>all these anons desperate to shut down their balls and be dependent on the pharma garden gnome for the rest of their lives
IST really is full of closet trannies
210ng/dl is absolutely fucking nothing, man. Most men between 18-35 have levels between 500-1000ng/dl. Doing things like fixing his diet or taking 50 supplements might raise his test by 10-20% max but even then he will still be low test.
The guy has an actual medical condition and should get treatment. Not everyone is a nutcase who doesnt want to rely on modern medicine because the end of the world is coming in… just 2 more werks
GPs in particular know jack fucking shit about hormones and just follow regulations that are super strict to avoid roiders abusing the system. You have hypogonadism and should get treatment. Seek out an endocrinologist or urologist in your area, because they are specialists and not retarded like GPs are
most endos over here are the same and 99% only deal with diabetics.
fuck australias shitty guidelines
Same thing happened to me. I'm much fitter now 12 years later only started trying maybe a year ago. Cut out soda and junk food, cook more food, and be on your feet more. Get sunshine and don't doompill jerk off on a computer for any amount of time. Your levels will rise.
When my levels were 200 I was obese (300lbs), miserable, no friends no sex no sunshine, no nothing no work just sit on my computer playing WoW and eating 7 eleven hotdogs with cheese and Doritos washed down with two litre soda.
>When my levels were 200
how much is it now?
215
Either trash genes or terrible life style. I scored 700ngl after a two week drug bender with 4 hours of sleep a night.
>I've been going to the gym and making decent progress for about a year and a half
>I have no symptoms of low T
>Oh no this number says I am low T, what am I do to?
You're perfectly fine, gay. Its just a number on a piece of paper
>no symptoms of low T
>havent made progress in the gym since newbie gains
>gyno
>crippling depression and anxiety
>hair loss
>tiredness/exhaustion
>extremely low libido
I think i have a few symptoms idk tho...
Your LH is low meaning your brain isn't giving a strong enough signal to produce enough test but your balls do work so it could possibly be fixed by stimulating production with clomid instead of using exogenous T
>My doctor said it's fine and that it's normal which I assume is to stop people abusing the system to get free T (I'm from Australia)
Isn't 210 out of the reference range? My doctors put test on my list of bloods, I think he's a bit more happy to put me on something though. I'm pretty sure my lack of sleep is the issue and I'm trying my best to make sure my levels look reasonable because I don't want to be put on something that might fuck me up later.
I haven't looked in to it but I'd consider getting a copy of your results and going to another doctor.
>Posted at midnight
>Now 5:38am