>9 nmol/L test
>doctor claims it's normal
>refused trt
i give up, i will never make any gains anyway
>9 nmol/L test. >doctor claims it's normal. >refused trt
>9 nmol/L test
>doctor claims it's normal
>refused trt
i give up, i will never make any gains anyway
did you start lifting yet
stop making excuses for yourself
It isn't an excuse retard, low test is low test
If you have <15 nmol/L you cannot, CAN NOT, biochemically make progress because your endocrine system isn't working properly
When a car has no oil and the light is blinking for a refill would you say thats an excuse?
I dont know if you are shills or just mistaken ? My test is 11.7,17.5 abd 13,5 at the last three tests and shgb is abt 2x. I've gained 50% strength and lost 10kg last 6 months.its not all abt test
My SHBG was also way too high on my blood draw, it binds too much estrogen, so i probably need Letrozole or something to balance that out too
Chances are you're not sleeping enough. Shitpost on IST 24/7, eat like shit and don't even lift weights.
You don't have low T, you are just a retard.
Yeah just buy UGL for TRT purposes bro. It's not like every fucking vial has different doses and concetration.
You fucking retard. If you want to feel good on TRT, you want to have stable levels, not jump from one point to another. UGL for TRT is the worst advice you can give to anyone.
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I'll take a small variance in dosages over the shitty protocols the doctors shill here. (pic related, from the canadian urologist association guidelines)
How does one shot of 100-200mg Test-E every 2-4 weeks sound? Wouldn't call that "stable".
I pin daily with ugl test and my bloodwork from my last 3 labs in 9 months were within 1% of eachother for total test, and I attribute that variance to me just being shitty at eyeballing my dose.
Not sure where you get the idea that ugl means shitty quality control, but you're wrong. Considering the half lives of certain esters, unless you pin daily like the autist I am, you're not as stable as me with my ugl test if you're running pharma tes
>have mystery health issues
>malnourishment in childhood, medications in puberty that affect hormones, history of nutritional deficiencies that have been corrected
>dont get morning wood without supplements in early 20s
>d*ctor (f*male) refuses to even check my test or anything when i asked for it, almost starts an argument
Get a real (man) doctor
>be me
>normal childhood
>never had morning wood of my life
>dicks barely works and zero libido
thanks for nothing i guess
>parents are morons
>parents are morons
>fap everyday
>"fuck these doctors don do nuffin"
many such cases
See what you can do naturally first
>make sure all protein from animals
>get a lot of sun
>cut sneed oils
>oysters for magnesium and zinc
>selenium
>heavy lifting particularly squats
>sprints
>8hrs sleep (non negotiable)
>cut stressors
Just buy UGL. Doctors are fucking retarded when it comes to trt protocols, and they try to shill their shitty patches and gels.
Pic related (Canadian Urological Association guideline)
>be 25 yo male
>Spent the last ~8 years lifting and dieting as hard as possible with very poor results
>Begin to have extreme fatigue to the point where I can't even stay awake for more than a few hours
>Go to female pajeet doctor who tells me it's normal
>Insist on getting test checked
>test comes back at 290 ng/dl
>Doctor again says this is completely fine
>5 years of TRT later my test is now 1150 ng/dl and I no longer suffer from extreme lethargy
>Make more gains in one week of lifting than I did in 6 months without test.
how is your dick and libido before and after?
I've never had any libido my whole life, this has not changed and my dick didn't get any better with test.
What's your estradiol at? Before test I never had any morning wood since my early 20s and my libido was gone at 25. After test my ED was worse, so I figured it was high e2, got some aromasin and boom. Morning wood every day and libido is through the roof.
Makes me think I was high estrogen my whole life, but that's just speculation since the doctors didn't check my estrogen pre test.
It is actually high. It's at 184 when the range given on my last blood test is <162
Breh, no shit you have no libido. I didn't start getting morning wood until I was 50 pmol/L, then everything clicked. My reference range is also <162
Try some exemestane for a few months and slowly increase your dose with some bloodwork until you feel better. That shit is easy to source UGL and you can run long term without it affecting your liver.
I had a dude I met recently complain to me about his ED and gyno but his docs all said he was fine. I told him to get his e2 check and what do you know, 160pmol/L, "within reference range". Fucking doctors I swear. He's been high estrogen for years.
I'm also
My e2 is middle of the pack, but I did the lab only once a long time ago. I have double the upper limit prolactin though, it has been like that for at least 7 years now, it's mostly macroprolactin (the more unactive metabolite compared to the "normal" prolactin molecule) but that could affect things definitely. I'm still thinking about trying a dopamine agonist/prolactin-aromatase inhibitor like lisuride, cabergoline or metergoline.
>still thinking about trying a dopamine agonist/prolactin-aromatase inhibitor like lisuride, cabergoline or metergoline
No harm in trying it for a few months, just be careful not to crash your prolactin. Not the end of the world, but you'll feel even shitteir for a few weeks.
What do you recommend? Trying a dopamine agonist (prolactin inhibition) or an aromatase inhibitor? My e2 was 114 pmol/L a year ago with prolactin twice upper limit. I have some bloodwork precribed by my GP to do, I'll add testo, prolactin and e2 when I go.
Also where do you source your stuff? I figure you're from the US, I'm in EU but I'll figure it.
figure it out*
I would use both at the same time. Your e2 doesnt need to be that high unless you were high test. Anyway, just google "steroid source talk forums eu". There's quite a few and they all mostly point to the same sources.
Ok ty, I'll try them both separately at first. My testosterone has varied quite a lot the last 2 years, 470 to 935 range, dunno why.
again says this is completely fine
did you do trt on your own then?
Also, what do you mean by 5 years later? Aren't symptoms supposed to be healed soon after starting therapy?
t.retard
>start blasting test aka "trt"
>makes more gains than ever
oh wow how could that happen thats amazing
did you try... losing weight & exercising?
this, I lost weight and exercised regularly for a year and my total test went from 224 to 629
I am 6'3'' 185lbs and have been lifting for 2 years, lift 4x a week run 2x a week
Still nonexistent test
Get a male internal medicine doctor, and find one who has a decent physique. When I was overweight at 25 he asked me about my libido, hunger, and all this other shit, my test was normal low-end, but bc of my symptoms gave me like 200 test prop a week. If you wanna get it guaranteed but spend a lil money, like 300-500 every few months, go to a men’s health and aging clinic alternatively
Just steal an FtM trannies test, it's dirty but cheap.
Or just pose as an FtM chud and buy some.
rape your doctor. Then figure out how to do TRT yourself. It's not hard
didn't read the thread but you can pay for your own blood tests
How do i fake a blood test so they give me TRT then?
If only there was a global communication network over which any desired substance could be procured