A vegan's worst nightmare.

Not anymore

the ancient Eygptians, Mayans, Native Americans etc all figured out how to store grain thousands of years ago but Euromorons didnt?
All you have to do to store grain is keep it dry and away from bugs and mice.

>THEY DID 8000 YEARS AGO NOT 10000
he's still carrying on about it

lol all it took was some guy saying beans in Finland and this sperg is still raging hours later

>cry about it
Why does everyone post this phrase every time they got mocked here lately?

>"lol check out this dumb gay haha"
>C-C-CRY ABOUT IT!!!!!!!

who cares what they ate in the past, look at modern studies regarding health outcomes/strength gains/etc. are you sure it's because of some property that meat has, and that you wouldn't get roughly the same strength/body composition outcomes if you ate the same calories/protein on a plantbased diet? what's your evidence for that? to understand what you're saying more clearly, would this argument roughly represent what you are claiming?:

1. If group A gets nutrition from animal sources, Then group A will be bigger/stronger than group B who get their nutrition from plant sources*
2. group A gets nutrition from animal sources
3. Therefore, group A will be bigger/stronger than group B who get their nutrition from plant sources*
*(all other things considered equal, macro/micro nutrient content, workout regime, etc.)

Lectins are the main one that fuck me up, never had a problem with the other two

Innuits have some of the largest brains

brain size doesn't determine intelligence

What do you think brain is for? Of course mote of is better but like a computer there’s many components to it, the reason Neanderthals had large brains was due to their superior senses such as vision and hearing. But our brains did grow from the Homo Erectus stage to now, and we got smarter as a result.
In fact brain size still correlated with intelligence if you’re not a retard and don’t measure it as a simple direct correlation. East Asians have the largest brains in humans and are generally highest IQ, blacks have the smallest brains and are generally lowest IQ.

But why are they so short?

>If you want to be a sickly little vegan manlet go live in mesoamerica and eat beans and rice all day.
If I recall the Aztecs of Mesoamerica practiced human sacrifice, murdering dozens in each of their temples every single day. Around 300k people a year.

Meanwhile the meat eating populations of Europe are the most servile and cucked populations in all of recorded history.

Maybe, just maybe, you being a moron has nothing to do with eating plants, but your own personal faults you refuse to correct, gay.

He wants to show us he believes and learned everything his teachers and news anchors told him. Or he fucks a fat goblina, who knows?

Maybe it wasnt a question of could but want to. Maybe they simply werent faggy planteaters like your anorexic looking boss/mama/gf

>Thomas Levy
garden gnome
Opinion discarded
Go back to facebook, pls

Can you be any more stupid, do you want me to post a study that completely destroys the belief that "human brains got smaller due to agriculture"

>IST is one person

Only nutrients in animal products that actually matter is
>iron
>B12
>Zinc

And only B12 is a real concern if you aren't a fucktard with orthorexia.

>muh Choline, creatine, carnitine, carnosine, retinol, D3, calcium, etc. I could go on

Most of those are found in plant sources and D3 is called
>go in the sun for 10 mins a day

But keep cope and seething. We will outlive you and dab on you(r) (graves) with smiling faces in our elder years.

>Calcium
All foods contain calcium and many plant foods are comparable to dairy. Never gone a single day without meeting my calcium RDI and have never once cared about it.
>carnitine
Legumes.
>carnosine
Created by your own body from histidine. Non-issue.
>creatine
Seeds, legumes, certain grains. Also non-essential.
>choline
Found in plentiful amounts in most protein sources. I have no clue what you're on about.

>retinol
Retinol is Vitamin A but it's already converted to a biological form so it's more easily assimilated. But considering a single carrot has 11x your daily requirement for Vitamin A, I couldn't fucking care less. Not to mention you memers think retinol is evil now too.

Literally not even one of your claims has any veracity to it. Go ahead and post your list of meme industry studies I've already debunked years ago

Less seethy, more spear chucky

>All foods contain calcium and many plant foods are comparable to dairy. Never gone a single day without meeting my calcium RDI and have never once cared about it.
BS, I eat a highly varied diet and my calcium would plummet to like 600mg or less if I removed dairy.
>Legumes.
Shit source of carnitine, they have hardly any compared to red meat, unless there's a specific one that I don't know about
>Created by your own body from histidine. Non-issue.
>Seeds, legumes, certain grains. Also non-essential.
Fair enough in the case of carnosine, in the case of creatine sorta the same since while plant sources still have barely any creatine, it's also hard to get enough from red meat anyway so most people just supplement it instead
>Found in plentiful amounts in most protein sources. I have no clue what you're on about.
Lmao what are you smoking, if I ditched eggs from my diet my choline would plummet to fucking 200mg or less. Remember, that's with other animal products like milk, beef, etc that have lots of choline. Remove those too and my choline goes down even more. Getting 1g of choline without eating eggs is a fucking pipe-dream.
>Not to mention you memers think retinol is evil now too.
Literally what the fuck are you going on about you schizo?
>Go ahead and post your list of meme industry studies I've already debunked years ago
You haven't debunked shit lmao

https://i.imgur.com/CxffSsB.gif

>muh calcium
Your anecdotal experience that you'd lack calcium without dairy doesn't mean shit. And being that humans only recently began drinking milk (6000 years ago), your cavemen ancestors would be chronically deficient in it. And I doubt they were busy making bone broth
>muh carnitine
>muh carnosine
>muh creatine
>muh chooooline

You still have yet to establish any reasonable basis for me reducing my longevity, health, cardio, and happiness by 15 years. You know you can't argue for the macro aspects of your diet because it's objectively inferior, so you focus on the minutiae of literal non-essential nutrients as if it matters.

It'd be like me attacking your meat diet for lacking the heart-healthy lycopene content in tomatoes. It literally doesn't matter on a macro scale

[...]
>choline
You keep obsessing over meme nutrients like this when it was understood a century ago that we can synthesize all we need in our liver.

Now your argument rests solely on the fact that animal foods have more choline and more always = good right?

It's a pea brain argument that doesn't stand up to any critical analysis. Get flustered pussy

Here's an example. The top pic is a bunch of vegan choline "sources." As you can see, you only get 650mg of choline from 1150 calories worth of food, not to mention that is a fuck ton of food (1.6kg to be precise). Literally no one is going to do that shit lmao

Compare this to the bottom pic, which is literally just 6 eggs. 1.1g of choline for less than 600 calories, and the volume of food is much more reasonable. Cope more
>You know you can't argue for the macro aspects of your diet because it's objectively inferior
Or I haven't gotten around to it yet? You literally cannot argue with:
>eat enough protein to maximize muscle
>eat enough fat for hormonal production
>fill rest with carbs
You have no argument for this. None.
>It'd be like me attacking your meat diet for lacking the heart-healthy lycopene content in tomatoes.
You're still mistaking me for a ketofag, holy shit how stupid are you? I eat a retarded amount of tomatoes every day, did you not read the line where I stated that I spam the shit out of fruit?
>You keep obsessing over meme nutrients like this when it was understood a century ago that we can synthesize all we need in our liver.
There is no evidence to support this.
>However, studies in patients receiving low-choline solutions intravenously determined that endogenous synthesis was insufficient to prevent liver and muscle dysfunction characteristic of choline deficiency.
Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6259877/

have a nice day, Moxyte. Nobody likes you.

>pic
You are literally proving my point, are you really going to eat 10 fucking cups of broccoli EVERY DAY? You aren't doing that shit. And yes, you can probably get to the AI for choline purely from plants if you're eating 4k calories a day: but in that case, you need more choline due to having a higher bodymass. So you still lose kek
>you have still failed to provide any valid reasons for reducing my lifespan+++ numerous benefits.
You're not living longer, if anything you're going to die sooner. How much sooner? Who knows, I'm not going to tell you that you're going to die in your 50s like you did to me because I'm not a fucking dumbass lmao
>And 0% risk of heart disease compared to 50%.
Choline deficiency literally increases risk factors for heart disease you dumb fuck

>You still have yet to establish any reasonable basis for me reducing my longevity, health, cardio, and happiness by 15 years.
If by those things you mean heart disease, cancer, diabetes, muscle dysfunciton, and fatty liver, then I agree
>Considering these many diverse roles, choline deficiency can cause disorders in many bodily systems, including liver, muscle, and lymphocytes in humans and, additionally, the kidney, pancreas, and developing brain and nervous system in animals.
>Choline deficiency causes clinical illness in humans.
>One of the first clinical signs of dietary choline deficiency is the development of fatty liver (hepatosteatosis) resulting from the lack of phosphatidylcholine to package and export very-low-density lipoproteins.
>Choline deficiency is the only nutrient deficiency shown to induce the development of spontaneous carcinoma.
>Similarly, elevations in muscle enzymes (eg, serum creatine phosphokinase) can occur in humans during choline deficiency.
>There is also evidence that choline deficiency leads to decrements in some measures of learning and memory.
>During neurogenesis, neuronal precursor cells proliferate, migrate, and differentiate to neurons. Supplemental choline during this critical period enhances proliferation and differentiation, whereas choline deficiency decreases proliferation and differentiation. Choline deficiency also increases the rate of neuronal cell death.
>Choline deficiency has been associated with liver and muscle damage and increases in homocysteine (a risk factor for heart disease) after a methionine load. Recent reports suggest that choline metabolism may also play a role in diabetes, cancer, and cystic fibrosis.
Source: aforementioned

, as well as cancer, diabetes, fatty liver, muscle dysfunction, neurological disorders etc. Even if animal products do cause heart disease, then I would rather have just heart disease instead of heart disease as well as cancer, diabetes, fatty liver, muscle dysfunction, and neurological disorders.

>possibly because of the contribution of choline that the body synthesizes endogenously
I hope you know that this is because of estrogen. You do know that.. right? Right?
>Specifically, men and postmenopausal women are more susceptible to organ dysfunction compared to premenopausal women, when consuming choline-deficient diets [161,163]. This observation was related to higher estrogen concentrations in premenopausal women, which may enhance the endogenous synthesis of phosphatidylcholine via the PEMT pathway [119].
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6213596/
And once again, you completely skipped over this
>However, studies in patients receiving low-choline solutions intravenously determined that endogenous synthesis was insufficient to prevent liver and muscle dysfunction characteristic of choline deficiency.
Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6259877/

>>less choline in plant foods =/= zero choline consumption causing deficiency
You have yet to prove that you can even reach 550mg from plant foods alone, let alone 1g which is better for optimal performance (remember, 550mg is just to stop your liver from exploding).
>Your sad attempts to recover from the royal ass blasting I gave you only cause me to feel pity.
You haven't managed to "debunk" a single one of my points, you're just side-stepping them again. But I concede, I guess you aren't choline deficient at all, because you produce enough endogenously. But you have man-tits because you have more estrogen in your bloodstream than the average female. So who cares? I don't want to end up like that, so I'll keep eating the eggs. No thanks.

>>Now you're still attempting to recover from your assblasting by pretending to be smug and using ad hominem. Really poor taste.
>I won because I said so
What did he mean by this?
>The NIH article I linked stated that a portion of that 550mg is synthesized in the liver.
50mg of 500mg still leaves 500mg. Also, aren't you forgetting something?
>When deprived of dietary choline, 77% of men and 80% of postmenopausal women developed fatty liver or muscle damage, whereas only 44% of premenopausal women developed such signs of organ dysfunction. Moreover, 6 men developed these signs while consuming 550 mg choline · 70 kg−1 · d−1, the AI for choline. Folic acid supplementation did not alter the subjects’ response.
>Moreover, 6 men developed these signs while consuming 550 mg choline · 70 kg−1 · d−1, the AI for choline.
Even while consuming the AI (meaning, they were getting more than 550mg since additional choline was being synthesized in the liver) they still suffered from choline deficiency. You're the one who needs choline, not me, since I'm sitting around 2g a day at the moment, with 1g being the absolute lowest I consume on a bad day.
Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2435503/
>Not only that but lentils actually have the highest levels of choline per gram, even higher than red meat
You slimy fuck, now you're trying to use chutzpah on me? Fucking hell. Pic rel, 15 cups of boiled lentils doesn't even get you to 1 gram of choline. Fuck off with your nonsense.
>Every plant food has choline to one degree or another and all of the protein-rich foods also have adequate choline levels to meet your requirements, even if we ignored the liver's process in manufacturing it.
Already disproved this
>It was fun to discuss the science but when you consciously ignore critical aspects to make strawmens out of a wounded ego, it saps all the fun out of it.
Vegan projects his own faults and flaws onto his opponent: many such cases!

>imagine sending yourself to an early grave from every major lifestyle disease, but at least you got more choline
None of this has happened to my parents or grandparents. You have yet to explain this fact.

https://i.imgur.com/DPyO80Z.jpg

>b12and iron is a nonproblem for a meat eater
Dead wrong.

The MAJORITY of omnis on this planet have a minor B12 deficiency and the vast majority of meat eaters have iron toxicity. See Dr. Thomas Levy (not a vegan, cope) on that one.

You can't argue that a vegan diet isn't superior in all aspects of health and longevity which is why you have to focus in on literal nothingburger nutrients
>cancer risk goes from 1 in 2 to nearly zero
>heart disease (without processed oils) goes to nearly zero, even reverses
>diabetes rates shoot down dramatically
>...
>but you are getting 200mg less choline!!!
[...]
All plant foods have plenty of calcium and getting fats isn't exactly rocket science. You deal realize vegetables have the highest quantities of vitamins and minerals both per calorie and per gram? And don't bring up muh bioavailability shit because your body does absorb basically all of it (except vit. a and iron, which is abundant to the level it'd be toxic if you absorbed it all).

If I had to choose between living to 90 with increased physical and mental functions vs living to 92 but being physically weak and mentally inferior, I would take living to 90 thank you very much.
risk goes from 1 in 2 to nearly zero
disease (without processed oils) goes to nearly zero, even reverses
rates shoot down dramatically
Lol. Lmao

https://i.imgur.com/RN2aFNu.jpg

>Fiber
>Carbohydrates
>Vitamin C
>Vitamin K
>Calcium (excluding milk)
>Healthy polyunsaturated fats (inb4 seed oils =/= natural foods)
>Magnesium, Manganese

Not to mention the antioxidants, polyphenols, bioflavonoids, anthocyanins, and literally tens of thousands of beneficial compounds that benefit your health and longevity.

Meanwhile

Concerns on vegan diet:
>B12
>potentially choline
>Getting enough omega 3's
>eating protein rich foods

That's literally it. You can ignore it if you want but you will die quicker.

Which is why you eat both animal and plant foods. Gee whiz, that was so complicated, wasn't it? Now I have no micronutrient or macronutrient deficiencies at all, and I get all of these as well
>antioxidants, polyphenols, bioflavonoids, anthocyanins, and literally tens of thousands of beneficial compounds that benefit your health and longevity.

https://i.imgur.com/uBdTyY9.jpg

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[...]
[...]
[...]
[...]
>Choline

"There is no RDA for choline. Only an Adequate Intake (AI), reflecting a limited knowledge of requirements. The actual requirement is somewhere between 2 and 7 mg/kg/d, in the context of a betaine free diet.

An intake level of 500 mg/day (4.8 mmol/day; approximately 7 mg/kg/day [0.7mmol/kg/day]) of choline base is the dose that prevented alanine aminotransferase abnormalities in healthy men (Zeisel et al., 1991). This estimate for an AI is uncertain because it is based on a single published study; it may need revision when other data become available. This estimate fits within the bracketing estimates derived from patients on total parenteral nutrition for whom approximately 2 mg/kg/day of choline moiety did not prevent a deficiency syndrome (Sheard et al., 1986) and 31 mg/kg/day of choline moiety restored normal choline status (Buchman et al., 1992, 1993).

Much (most?) dietary choline is metabolized to betaine, so betaine intake (from many vegetables, especially spinach and beets) may spare the choline requirement.

As noted in the above passage, choline deficiency is detectable through elevated ALT on std blood tests."

also

>"Choline interacts with gut bacteria to make the blood more prone to clotting by helping to produce a compound called, trimethylene N-oxide (TMAO)"
https://www.clevelandheartlab.com/blog/choline-tmao-heart-health/
>"Choline is a dietary precursor to the gut microbial generation of the prothrombotic and proatherogenic metabolite trimethylamine-N-oxide (TMAO)."
https://www.amjmed.com/article/S0002-9343(21)00229-1/fulltext
>"Researchers from the Cleveland Clinic...identified a compound called TMAO...the more TMAO they had in their blood, the greater the odds they had heart disease, and the worse their heart disease was..."
https://nutritionfacts.org/video/egg-industry-response-to-choline-and-tmao/

>muh TMAO
Doesn't increase from choline found in eggs
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33872583/
>Participants' plasma TMAO levels increased significantly in all 3 intervention arms containing choline bitartrate (all P < .0001), but daily ingestion of 4 large eggs (P = .28) or phosphatidylcholine supplements (P = .27) failed to increase plasma TMAO levels. Platelet reactivity also significantly increased in the 3 intervention arms containing choline bitartrate (all P < .01), but not with eggs (P = .10) or phosphatidylcholine supplements (P = .79).
>Despite high choline content in egg yolks, healthy participants consuming 4 eggs daily showed no significant increase in TMAO or platelet reactivity. However, choline bitartrate supplements providing comparable total choline raised both TMAO and platelet reactivity, demonstrating that the form and source of dietary choline differentially contributes to systemic TMAO levels and platelet responsiveness.

>Reminds me Sv3rige eating fruit and lettuce again and CarnivoreMD doing the same.
>If you had any integrity at all you'd apologize for misleading tons of people with your meme diet nonsense. You fags were literally arguing against drinking water here a month ago.
Dude I literally just ate my breakfast which has over 100g of carbs, why do you people keep assuming your opponents are ketofags? I eat a shit ton of:
>apricots
>bananas
>raisins
>tomatoes
>pineapple
>milk
>kefir
>rice
None of these are keto. I don't advocate for keto, or carnivore, or veganism. Stop being disingenuous
>We debunked your choline fearmongering ITT a decade ago.
Nope
>You still can't argue against the macro effects of plant-based diets.

Absolute bullshit idgaf about your links

Again, the bean bois in South Asia have sky high CHD, there is nowhere where heart attacks are "virtually nonexistent"
You will likely die of one, if not then cancer or dementia, no matter what you do, do you think vegans live forever or something? I noticed your reply to a fellow veganons post here. You didn't even bother to read a single study on the subject.
You're confusing me with a different anon, dafaq? More vegan brain malfunctioning
>You are disingenuous, dishonest, and do a disservice to everyone you come across. Just being on IST doesn't excuse recklessly dishonest behavior. Learn to be truthful.
Great, more projection. You love to see it

>Sv3rige
Roflmao! You watch that? Topkek
You realise that this guy literally eats McDonald's? You think that shit is real? Go outside when you start to believe the screen!

>That study in an infamous junk study. Your kidneys eliminate TMAO after a high-saturated fat meal in 3-4 hours.
But it doesn't eliminate TMAO from choline bitartrate? Also dafaq is this then?
>There are similarly mixed results on the specific relationship between egg/choline consumption and TMAO. Previous studies by our group showed a 10-fold increase in plasma TMAO levels following choline supplementation over a one month period with an accompanying increase in platelet reactivity,25 and a randomized, dose-response study by Miller et al. showed elevated TMAO concentrations 24 hours after ingesting two eggs.26 However, other studies failed to find a similar increase in plasma TMAO after consumption of up to three whole eggs per day over four weeks,27 and a recent study by Lemos et al. also failed to see elevated plasma TMAO concentrations after four weeks of daily egg consumption.28
>a randomized, dose-response study by Miller et al. showed elevated TMAO concentrations 24 hours after ingesting two eggs.
????
>Not to mention half of the researchers were egg industry associates.
Citation?
>Conflict of Interest Disclosures:
SLH reports being named as co-inventor on pending and issued patents held by the Cleveland Clinic relating to cardiovascular diagnostics and therapeutics, being a paid consultant for Procter & Gamble, and having received research funds from Procter & Gamble, and Roche Diagnostics. SLH also reports being eligible to receive royalty payments for inventions or discoveries related to cardiovascular diagnostics or therapeutics from Cleveland Heart Lab and Procter & Gamble. WT served as a paid consultant for Sequana Medical AG and received honoraria from Springer Nature and American Board of Internal Medicine, all unrelated to the present topic. The other authors have reported that they have no relationships relevant to the contents of this paper to disclose.
Which ones are egg industry associates? Don't see them at first glance

Also
>Although most people in the United States consume less than the AI of choline, frank choline deficiency in healthy, nonpregnant individuals is very rare
You know that most people aren't vegans, right? And yes, the average american eats slop all day, but some of that slop contains eggs, so they won't be missing out on their choline. Not to mention the fact that they eat ridiculous amounts of food because they're obese, so they'll be consuming more than enough.

And I mean yeah, maybe you do produce enough choline endogenously. If you have as much estrogen as the average young female. Not really a mog by any means tbh

Indians aren't vegans and you disingenuous shills love to remind people of that. They consume copious amounts of milk and ghee. Both filled with saturated and trans fats.

They still have 35% less heart disease than the USA.

>They still have 35% less heart disease than the USA.
And in the usa meat consumtion is at an all time low. And the nation is sicker than ever. I hate vegans and especially indian ones btw

https://i.imgur.com/tkS0jK6.png

[...]
Here's an example. The top pic is a bunch of vegan choline "sources." As you can see, you only get 650mg of choline from 1150 calories worth of food, not to mention that is a fuck ton of food (1.6kg to be precise). Literally no one is going to do that shit lmao

Compare this to the bottom pic, which is literally just 6 eggs. 1.1g of choline for less than 600 calories, and the volume of food is much more reasonable. Cope more
>You know you can't argue for the macro aspects of your diet because it's objectively inferior
Or I haven't gotten around to it yet? You literally cannot argue with:
>eat enough protein to maximize muscle
>eat enough fat for hormonal production
>fill rest with carbs
You have no argument for this. None.
>It'd be like me attacking your meat diet for lacking the heart-healthy lycopene content in tomatoes.
You're still mistaking me for a ketofag, holy shit how stupid are you? I eat a retarded amount of tomatoes every day, did you not read the line where I stated that I spam the shit out of fruit?
>You keep obsessing over meme nutrients like this when it was understood a century ago that we can synthesize all we need in our liver.
There is no evidence to support this.
>However, studies in patients receiving low-choline solutions intravenously determined that endogenous synthesis was insufficient to prevent liver and muscle dysfunction characteristic of choline deficiency.
Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6259877/

>You still have yet to establish any reasonable basis for me reducing my longevity, health, cardio, and happiness by 15 years.
If by those things you mean heart disease, cancer, diabetes, muscle dysfunciton, and fatty liver, then I agree
>Considering these many diverse roles, choline deficiency can cause disorders in many bodily systems, including liver, muscle, and lymphocytes in humans and, additionally, the kidney, pancreas, and developing brain and nervous system in animals.
>Choline deficiency causes clinical illness in humans.
>One of the first clinical signs of dietary choline deficiency is the development of fatty liver (hepatosteatosis) resulting from the lack of phosphatidylcholine to package and export very-low-density lipoproteins.
>Choline deficiency is the only nutrient deficiency shown to induce the development of spontaneous carcinoma.
>Similarly, elevations in muscle enzymes (eg, serum creatine phosphokinase) can occur in humans during choline deficiency.
>There is also evidence that choline deficiency leads to decrements in some measures of learning and memory.
>During neurogenesis, neuronal precursor cells proliferate, migrate, and differentiate to neurons. Supplemental choline during this critical period enhances proliferation and differentiation, whereas choline deficiency decreases proliferation and differentiation. Choline deficiency also increases the rate of neuronal cell death.
>Choline deficiency has been associated with liver and muscle damage and increases in homocysteine (a risk factor for heart disease) after a methionine load. Recent reports suggest that choline metabolism may also play a role in diabetes, cancer, and cystic fibrosis.
Source: aforementioned

Addendum

>The primary criterion used to estimate the Adequate Intake (AI) for choline is the prevention of liver damage as assessed by measuring serum alanine aminotransferase levels. The AI for adults is 550 mg/day of choline for men and 425 mg/day for women.
Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK114308/
>When deprived of dietary choline, 77% of men and 80% of postmenopausal women developed fatty liver or muscle damage, whereas only 44% of premenopausal women developed such signs of organ dysfunction. Moreover, 6 men developed these signs while consuming 550 mg choline · 70 kg−1 · d−1, the AI for choline. Folic acid supplementation did not alter the subjects’ response.
Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2435503/
>Recent analyses indicate that large portions of the population (ie, approximately 90% of Americans), including most pregnant and lactating women, are well below the AI for choline. Moreover, the food patterns recommended by the 2015–2020 Dietary Guidelines for Americans are currently insufficient to meet the AI for choline in most age-sex groups.
Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6259877/

Which plants can you get choline, creatine, carnosine, calcium, etc in amount comparable to meat, (adjusted for bioavailaility of course)?

Dafuq is wrong with 118g total fat per day, the fucking planty Mediterranean diet has more than that

You're going to be deficient in D3 as a meatcuck as well unless you eat salmon every day.

D3 in the winter is also an issue

oh and Vit K2. i dont see any natto in ur diet plan

Imagine taunting people about getting heart diesase, psycho dweeb
Its the leading killer of everyone of any diet anyway, there's nothing magic you can do to prevent it despite what your gurus tell you

Absolute bullshit idgaf about your links
Again, the bean bois in South Asia have sky high CHD, there is nowhere where heart attacks are "virtually nonexistent"
You will likely die of one, if not then cancer or dementia, no matter what you do, do you think vegans live forever or something?

My evidence vegans don't live forever is when you ACK after a wasted life sitting in your chair spamming IST day and night

If you seriously think that just not eating animal products will not only reduce the risk of (plausible) but almost eliminate the number one killer in society, you've been sold the bridge already lmao
It's the number 1 killer of vegans, on the rise in vegans at the same rate as the general pop and most people on vegan diets quit due to other health issues, your heart attack-less future is simply not happening so I suggest you stop mocking the condition you and most of your family will likely get and die from

How does it feel being a real life soijak?

garden gnomebegone

ur more likely to get heart disease without k2 in ur diet but it seems ive provoked some emotional reaction. whats up buddy?

C
You just proved that you dont think but spit out your nonsense programming

Oh weird, there's a 100 year old inuit woman in my country who subsists on seals and whale blubber. She was interviewed on the news a few years back. Should she eat some broccoli and toast with avacado to get herself to 105? Perhaps some margerine is what she needs?