a warning to skinnyfats

DO NOT BULK
DO CUT AND THEN LEAN BULK AT 250 CALORIES ABOVE MAINTENANCE.
i have fallen for bulking and SS+GOMAD as a skinnyfat several times, and while it does work at getting you stronger you feel so fat and shit because you are fat, you also do not see your muscles and your progress.
yes, both will get you fit at some point of course. but i'd rather not look like a lardass at 20% bodyfat on my path there.

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Only training matters. No i will not elaborate.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      elaborate on that

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    skinnyfat always means low t

    no such thing as skinny with fat, it's either one or the other

    ever realized how all women are 'skinnyfat'? Programs won't make a difference if you have 200ng/dl t, consider unironically hopping on T (at least for TRT levels, say 600-800ng/dl total)

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I have 766 ng/dl total and am skinnyfat with a weak jawline, bald head and a shitty beard.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        jawline has nothing to do with T, if your bone is fucked your bone is fucked

        >766ng/dl skinnyfat
        calling bullshit or you have serious hormonal issues. I have 730 and can't get fat even eating like a pig

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You don't eat enough.
          >tfw all this potential but too lazy

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            What's that in ng/dl? Being in the upper bracket of ~~*modern*~~ testo levels doesn't tell me much.
            Also do you Finnbros get those tests free or did you pay? I have heard they are hard to get for free here in Sweden.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              As I said, it's 766 ng/dL
              https://weighttraining.nz/testosterone_calculator.php

              I got my bloodwork analyzed by a private company. It cost like 150 euros if I recall correctly, this was over a year ago.

              Picrel is The Golden One aka Latsbrah. Total testosterone of 527 ng/dL. Test is not the only factor when it comes to muscle building.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                the golden one is obviously roided to the gills
                it's hard to fake a testosterone test to maintain your online credibility lol

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ah, didn't know that post was yours.

                It's a shame we have to pay so much for our "free" healthcare. Perhaps I will stop being a cheap fuck and do it some day. Or perhaps I should try to convince my doctor.
                I actually have gyno and is skinny fat, along with lacking motivation. Perhaps he/she will just try to get me on anti depressants though.

                He's on a bunch of roids though. Thought that usually included test, apparently not then.
                >Upsala barncentrum
                Hmm. Why is he testing at a child healthcare facility?

                >test not everything
                I have heard that too. I mean obviously it's not everything, but I thought it would have significant impact being higher. I always doubted people saying that as long you are in the normal range it doesn't matter, like at all.
                Sounds like something they made to keeo us from being healthy, along with testo levels being extremely much lower compared to like a 100 years ago.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Why is he testing at a child healthcare facility?
                Okay, it just had a strange name. Normal healthcare facility.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >jawline has nothing to do with T, if your bone is fucked your bone is fucked
          jawline has a lot to do with T lol
          your jawline is defined by how much hard food you ate as a kid + your testosterone levels.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >I have 730 and can't get fat even eating like a pig
          I was obese and hard a hard time losing weight despite have 1260 ng/dl
          I don't think T levels are that straight-forward

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Then imagine if you were lean.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >DO CUT AND THEN LEAN BULK AT 250 CALORIES ABOVE MAINTENANCE.
      That's exactly what I did and it didn't take me more than 6 months to escape skinnyfat mode.

      Skinnyfat means absolutely no muscle from years of sedentary lifestyle. So the moderate fat you have sticks out on your untrained body

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I would say this is pretty close to accurate skinny fat is usually hormonal. It could be diabetes, hypothyroidism, sleep apnea or some other shit that's nuking their T but somewhere along the line is a probably a compounded hormonal issue.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >DO CUT AND THEN LEAN BULK AT 250 CALORIES ABOVE MAINTENANCE.
    This is exactly what I've heard from people who actually escaped skinkyfat mode

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm just gonna take DNP fuck your cutting

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Couldn't agree more. It took me over 10 years to reverse the mistake of bulking first as skinnyfat. If you are skinnyfat, you are still fat. You maye just have small bone structure and no muscles, that's why you are "skinny" but most skinnyfats are still 20-25% bodyfat. If you are 20-25% bodyfat you are not supposed to bulk lol. You should do aggressive fat loss.

    It's so fucking obvious and simple yet still so hard. Cut to 10-12% bodyfat, bulk to 14-15%, rinse and repeat. I was fucking 25% bodyfat and I got trolled into bulking (and not just leanbulking but full on eat all you can) and ended up somewhere >30% bodyfat. Now i didn't know my bf% but these are just guesstimates and when it was time to do a cut I always thought "well im not THAT fat because I weigh X" well turns out I was. Even if I cut for half a year losing 2% per month my peak cut was from 30% -> 18% and I still looked "fat" as in not even remotely on a striking distance from having abs for summer. And then when the cut failed I started bulking again and went from 18 -> 25% and then I thought now I can cut 3-4 month in spring and be ripped, well again I ended up maybe at 17% in best case scenario this time.

    And this cycle continued for 10 years on and off. My baseline bodyfat% got fucked because I got trolled into bulking. Only now after 10 years I now for the first time ever since lifting have morning abs. Still not stage ready ripped but now that I already have some level of abs in January I will be for the fucking first time ever ready for summer.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I don't know if it's getting trolled so much as the people inhabiting these spaces are gross human thumbs that want everyone to look like them

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You see, big lifting numbers>being aesthetically pleasing, or at least that's the logic for permabulkers

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Its not so much that they don't value aesthetics, it's that it's big men who are telling men with different physiologies to do what they did. If you're 6'1 or 6'2 with a naturally large frame and can carry a lot more BW, then you can permabulk and train hard, and be fucking giant and also have huge lifts, while basically just being giant dad mode and women love that too.
          But obviously if you're the same height, and you have a smaller frame (purposefully avoiding saying endomorph here) then go and try and permabulk you're just gonna end up skinny fat eternally. It's not anyone trying to trick you, or the guy who made the longer post, it's just retards taking advice from strangers on the internet who they can't even compare themselves to. I don't use tiktok, but a good example of this is this guy Fathergainz on there that permabulked for a year, who has basically the same frame as me, and all he does on tiktok is drink horrible fucked up concoctions of pre workout and 4loko, every single one of his lifts are 400+ pounds, and he looks peak natty limit for his frame, he's just not like 12% bf. You don't have to be super low body fat to look good and have big lifts.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Be 162lb skinny fat, bf% unknown
      >Cut to 135lb while working out, bf%15
      >Bulk up to 160lbs, bf20%
      > Currently cutting to 12%

      I definitely bulked too much, fell for the hardgainer meme. You really only need 300cal extra to bulk. I was going about 800-1000 over. Skinny fat is hard to escape because the body builds muscle slower at high bodyfat, but you don't have any muscle to burn calories. I think it's more important to establish a baseline of muscle before worrying about escaping skinny fat. Eat in a slight deficit until you're lean, then a slight bulk. You need to be training consistently and intensely for this to work. Also you need to have a clean diet. Cut the alcohol, cut the soda, and eat whole food sources.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      you cannot be serious.. 10 years..

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Just do a brosplit. SS is a strength routine for powershitters. Go see what they look like after 5 years of lifting.

    Hint. They look dyel and like shit.
    The push pull leg and brosplits are the best by far for a decent body.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The push pull leg and brosplits are the best by far for a decent body
      even for beginners?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        yes? linear progression. go lift.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >push pull leg
      Is there some light version with fewer exercises per day? I don't have access to all that stuff and it feels like it would take ages.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        program yourself, program YOURSELF, PROGRAM.
        AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

        I actually lift without dieting and now I look like sam hyde (muscle/fat ratio)
        At this moment I'm cutting and I'm not having a hard time. Just work smart, do things when you want to do them.
        Discipline is for dumb retards lol
        Le based emotive motivation to lift disks off the groun
        GET A GRIP I ALREADY TOLD YOU GET A FUCKING GRIP IT'S NOT THAT SERIOUS

        I ALREADY GRIP THE BAR, DO I HAVE TO DEATH GRIP MY PENIS TOO????????

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >program yourself, program YOURSELF, PROGRAM
          I have heard that this is a bad idea for noobs though?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            If you are in a home gym do variations of the movement with free weights. If you don't have dumbbells/barbells just do calisthenics at a park, or go to a gym.
            There is almost always a variation of a machine or cable movement that can be done with dumbbell/barbell.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          why not it will make your dick stronger
          Progressive Cock Pressure Augmentation (PCPA)

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            That sounds good. Maybe use the angion method where I whack my dick with a rod too.

            I'm currently trying to cut out of skinny fat at the moment. Down a stone so far and should hopefully be on track for goal weight in a few months.

            When I hit the bulk I was going to aim for 400 + surplus to keep it steady but is that still too much then?

            I would gauge off how much fat/muscle you gain. Too much fat then lower the calories.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        dude I mean this with the best of intentions but stop being a pussy and go to a decent gym and lift

        PPL takes me less than an hour

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I don't have a job, and my current gym (shared in the condo complex) is literally $30/year. I'm not sure the trade off is worth it.
          But perhaps I will check if there's things to remove. Like both squats and legpress seems unnecessary?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You can try push pull and squeeze squats (quads in general) on push day and deadlifts (and hamstrings) on pull day. I did that for a while to get 2 extra rest days and worked alright for a while. The only problem a ran into was that because I did my deadlifts first on pull day, once they got heavy enough it took a toll on my working capacity and I'd take 2 hours in the gym every pull day because I was exhausted from the DLs and have to rest >5 mins between sets even on curls.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Why did you just not move the deadlifts last?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Autism.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The best split is
      >Pull
      >Push
      >Legs
      >Chest and back
      >Arms and shoulders
      Do abs every session and take a rest day whenever you need one or your schedule is fucked. Just don't take three in a row or skip days. Take every exercise that isn't dangerous as close to failure as possible. Most of my exercises are programed as myo-rep match sets. I go to failure on my first working set, and then each subsequent set must meet that rep number even if I have to rest for a few seconds mid set.
      t. third year lifting finally figuring out what works really well

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's almost like if you want to cut and get lean you need to cut.... and get lean..........

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Everyone should think for themselves. Don't listen to IST, some of them are deluded dyel and the others are roid trannies. The real ones have left a long time ago.

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The difference between strongfat and skinnyfat is literally just chest and arms from a visual standpoint

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >the difference between skinnyfat and strongfat is muscle
      Who would have thought...

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I actually lift without dieting and now I look like sam hyde (muscle/fat ratio)
    At this moment I'm cutting and I'm not having a hard time. Just work smart, do things when you want to do them.
    Discipline is for dumb retards lol
    Le based emotive motivation to lift disks off the groun
    GET A GRIP I ALREADY TOLD YOU GET A FUCKING GRIP IT'S NOT THAT SERIOUS

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You're telling me the body is incapable of building muscle while losing fat, for some mysterious reason?

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm currently trying to cut out of skinny fat at the moment. Down a stone so far and should hopefully be on track for goal weight in a few months.

    When I hit the bulk I was going to aim for 400 + surplus to keep it steady but is that still too much then?

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    We should have a skinny fat general for all the ones who are trying to escape the skinny fat helll

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    5'7 150lbs skinny fat

    eating at roughly maintenance, sometimes a bit less sometimes a bit more because I can never be exact, training 3x a week with heavy compounds and progressive overload w/ some isolations as well. gaining muscle and slowly losing the fat, feeling great.

    tried bulking as skinny fat in the past and as OP says you just feel like shit because you get even fatter and the muscle gain is not proportionate. make use of noobie gains by eating at maintenance or very slight deficit and you'll be feeling better in no time

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >skinnyfat -> bulk -> fat
    >skinnyfat -> cut/recomp -> skinny
    It's not rocket surgery
    Just lift, eat better food and cut out the shit

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >MFW OP is absolutely right and I'm finally cutting down from 19% BF for the first time in my life
    Spent years just lifting, feeling like shit when looking in the mirror, trying a short cut, not seeing results, starting a short bulk etc.
    Gonna cut down to 10% for real this time, not give a shit about my working weights going down and then clean bulk from there.

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