Am I cheating myself if I start to get an involuntary arch in my back towards my last two-ish reps of OHP?

Am I cheating myself if I start to get an involuntary arch in my back towards my last two-ish reps of OHP? My delts suck ass,been having a hell of a time progressing in any delt exercises and I don't want to be cheating myself.

  1. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    yeah

  2. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    If you don't get injuries on dumbbell press switch to that. Do it seated then that'll solve the back problem while also being a better isolation for your anterior delts, and slight activation for your lateral delts as well.

  3. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    No. Ultra-strict presses are a meme that's peddled by weak dyels who think they can invalidate people way stronger than them because of muh strictness. Pressing with a layback is a better way to get a strong press and you'll strict press more as a result.
    Exact same argument is true for absolutely ass to grass high bar squats.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      100% excellently stated
      some fag at the gym tried to give me shit for "ego lifting" by doing 215lb push press, so i lowered the weight and mogged him by doing a clean 3 reps of 190lbs on strict press
      the only way i made my strict press stronger was by doing push press
      only weak fags care about strict press, WSM only does push press for a reason

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        I mean there is strict press and there is less strict (aka curving spine). Don't get the need to do push press as all it does is train coordination+ less arms.
        WSM isn't exactly the greatest competition with hitching, double dipping, straps. It's a better showmanship for sure

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Do you really think the push press is suboptimal for training the upper body? Pressing 300lbs overhead with minimal leg drive assistance to push through the initial bottom portion without relying on absurd backwards leaning is insufficient for training the upper body? Push press is the true OHP. Split jerks better match what you're describing.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            I mean there is a reason why strict press is 25% less than push press on average. I've never said it's suboptimal, it's just that it is using legs in comparison to more of core. I mean you are getting rid of the hardest part of OHP, the initial drive.
            I just train split jerk + OHP instead, cause I'm a powershitter and jerk for fun

  4. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    there's no reason you should be arching your back. If you are, then it means you are probably doing the exercise wrong. When the weight is at the bottom of the rep, you obviously are meant to hold it in front of your body, and as it goes up, it must stay in front of your body in order to clear your head/face. Once it's past your head, you are supposed to move the weight back so that it is over your head and directly over the shoulder joints. This make the lift easier, more efficient, and safer. It sounds like you are keeping the weight somewhat in front of your shoulder joints as it is over your head--- rather than stacked over the joint--- and that is forcing you to arch your back.

    Your lower back should be mostly straight, and rather than an "arch" in the lower back, it's more like your chest should be "rotated up". There is a distinction between the two

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >there's no reason you should be arching your back. If you are, then it means you are probably doing the exercise wrong
      You have no fucking clue what you're talking about.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      I think you misunderstand what he's saying

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >the bar path should curve around your head
      That's retarded and only really possible with baby weight. The bar path should stay vertical over your mid-foot the entire time. Which means, in order for the bar to pass your head, you must push your hips forward and lean back at the bottom of the lift. Pic rel.

  5. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    No. Like you said, it’s involuntary. The alternative would just be doing less reps. Why would that be better?

  6. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    OHP sucks ass for delts.
    Switch to dumbbell and go wide like lined up with your chest. Stop at 90 degree elbow bend to avoid shoulder injury.
    Also do cable stuff. Lat raises are good but my favorite is unilateral Y raises. I’ve seen delt gainz even while cutting 15 pounds brah.

  7. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    is it a perfect rep? no. but it will contribute to the foundational strength that you use to goodform lower weights. and then that strength will help you to cheatlift at even higher lifts, which contributes again to your goodform lifts, and then you reach a point where you look back and see that the weights you were cheating at are now going up with perfect form, even tho you're still cheating at your higher end weights. using your 1 rep maxes as a index for strength is powershitter cope because everyone will have terrible form, it's practically coded into the sport. the obective should never be the highest number, but the number after the highest number! simply be mindful for the higher capacity for injury when cheatrepping

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    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Nice post

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Cool Sush ups

  8. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    do you guys pause at the bottom of every rep?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      not a pause per se, because i do want to utilize some of the momentum for going back up, but i brake considerably, as sustaining that downward force at the bottom of the lift does wonders for my gains. i do this for other lifts also

  9. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah, you're biasing your chest at that point.

    Also, be careful you can get upper back pain.

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