Are barbell rows an absolute meme?

Are barbell rows an absolute meme? They're way too easy to cheat on and they seem inferior to chest supported rows and cable rows.

What are the best exercises for juicy lats?

  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Yes they are. Problem is the form breaks down as the weights move up and you end up looking like a monkey fucking football when you hump the weight up. Also are the limiting factors in which your arms and grip will give out before the lats can be finally worked.

    Best lat builder is the machine pullover.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Problem is the form breaks down as the weights move up
      Then move to single arm chainsaw rows or kroc rows. More control and can go higher in weight.

      Gotta love threads like these pushing noobs to machines w/shit advice, just like what a gay chud would do.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >just like what a gay chud would do.
        Sounds like you describe yourself little cunt LMAO

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >t.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Nice picture of yourself chud

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >t. malding chud

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >kroc rows
        Extremely based exercise.
        Though, you will eventually get some DYEL coming up to you spouting how "ugh, aren't you supposed to pull the weight back towards your hip for maximum lat activation?"

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          this guy says so too

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >do kroc rows instead of gay chud shit

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Chin ups, pull ups, and pullovers are superior to cables for lats anyway, maximal stretch happens in the overhead position.
      Rows are kind of bad for other reasons, like limiting the ROM of the shoulder and preventing hyperextension which is really where the rear delts kick in overtime.

      The adduction machine is actually the only other thing that compares to the pullover, but it's rare to find them. You'll get the GOAT lat and chest pump on it.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      damn this thing is actually good?
      we have one at my gym and I use it often but it doesn't feel like it works as much as even doing cable pulldowns

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Everything you just listed is completely inferior to strict pullups/chin ups (fatties hate this)

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >strict
      Has to be this. I saw a SARMed out TikTok zoomie with a perm come up to the pullups bar yesterday and rep out 5-6 quarter rep pullups while his buddy filmed him. He looked fucking ridiculous in real life, and the ass form on pullups was comical

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yes but it’s good to do both vertical and horizontal pulling

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I don't even bother with them, pullups and bent over dumbbell rows are better as you can't cheat on them without it being deliberate

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      dumbbell rows are the goat

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Enjoy your hernia anon

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >pullups
      >can't cheat
      bruh. Literally everyone except that weird guy that weighs 105lbs cheats on pullups.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Do chin ups then, way harder to cheat or kip since it is biomechanically awkward to arch your back.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Are these worth doing?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yes they are. Problem is the form breaks down as the weights move up and you end up looking like a monkey fucking football when you hump the weight up. Also are the limiting factors in which your arms and grip will give out before the lats can be finally worked.

      Best lat builder is the machine pullover.

      https://i.imgur.com/eAdmsu1.jpg

      Are barbell rows an absolute meme? They're way too easy to cheat on and they seem inferior to chest supported rows and cable rows.

      What are the best exercises for juicy lats?

      Just do chinup, fat ass

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You know you can do more than one back exercise right

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        T. Dyel

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        just do muscle ups, dyel

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I don't like trapping my chest against the bench in an exercise like this. Proper back exercise form should have the scapula retracting on the concentric and rolling forward on the eccentric--- this is difficult to do if the pec is not free to move, which is the case in your exercise. If your pec/scaps are unable to move, you're not really doing a quality back exercise, and most of the stress will be on rear delt and biceps. Remember that for back exercises you should not be thinking that you are "pulling" the weight... it is more you are drawing your elbow back, retracting your scaps, and broadening your chest on the concentric and then doing the reverse on the eccentric

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        What alternatives would you recommend?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          one arm DB row is great and eliminates asymmetries in strength. With the bench flat, support your torso with your non-lifting arm so you are at the same incline angle. Also a cable row where you lean back slightly replicates the movement pretty well. Your best friend will be looking good cues for engaging the back rather than engaging your arms/biceps. Some ones that work for me:
          >pull your hands more to your hips. Look at how the guy in your photo has the forearms pointing forward during the motion, away from the hips. That's gonna be more biceps intensive
          >develop mind-muscle connection to learn how to move your scapulas
          >think that you are not "pulling" the weight but rather driving your elbows back

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        My chest gets pinchy after doing these

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          what does pinchy mean

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I stopped doing bent rows to do these instead. Certainly a lot more fun.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I somehow got a really bad pinched nerve in my neck from these. Never again.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      They're good, takes time to learn the movement, I still prefer chud rows though

      I somehow got a really bad pinched nerve in my neck from these. Never again.

      Kek I had a fucked up neck from shoulder pressing too heavy and it actually felt better after doing these the next day

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Yes. Do chest supported rows instead

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    These are the goat

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I feel so retarded doing this shit. I would rather do hip thrusts in a packed room of men than this.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      In every routine I've ever done I've never had no room for rowing. My non-negotiables are
      >neutral chin-ups (lat bulk/main back strength movement)
      >wide grip pull-ups (upper back width)
      >pully rows or dumbbell rows if no cable machine (massive range of motion and easy to do at the end)
      And these were enough for the silver era guys who look better than the powerlifters and mass monsters today. There's no point.

      Not worth setting up and even worse range of motion than regular bent over rows.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I don't like barbell rows. I asked someone to feel my lats and lower and mid traps while I held the weight at top and they weren't even hard.
    I love cable rows.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Tfw left shoulder quit on me
    >cannot do any exercise in which my arm elevates above my shoulder
    >still maintain solid back mass with chest supported rows and dumbell rows
    >before blowing out shoulder had a period where I did only pulls and chins for back and it worked ok
    In my opinion the back responds well to anything, just give it volume and some intensity in higher rep ranges and you can get away with only horizontal pulling, with only vertical pulling in my opinion you lose a bit more on other muscles besides the lats, traps and rotator cuff

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Pendlay rows are great back builders if you do them with strict form which pretty much no one does. It's easy to almost totally take the work away from the back with shit form and momentum.
    If you start relatively light and enforce very strict form your back blows up and you'll get stronger quick.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    If you can do them correctly, they're not a meme. But most people fuck them up.
    I now prefer prone DB rows on an low incline bench, and more cable row/pulldowns because I don't like how much heavy BB rows tax my lower back and slow my progress on squats and deads. But I did love BB rows at one point, got to 315x5, but not planning to do them again any time soon.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I figure explosive pulls like power cleans, high pulls, hang power cleans and power snatches probably build your upper back pretty well
    Why can't cheat barbell rows do the same? Especially if the weight is heavy enough that you have to use straps, say

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      They do. There's nothing wrong with cheat reps. All the biggest guys do cheat reps. Arnold and the boys never went around the gym saying "ugh, ackshully you shouldn't be swaying when you curl!"

      Don't do a dry heave for your BB rows, but a lil bounce is fine.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Arnold and the boys never went around the gym saying "ugh, ackshully you shouldn't be swaying when you curl!"
        Exactly. Fucking form police Mary can eat a dick. Look at Ronnie Coleman, Branch Warren, etc. these guys throw the weight around. Obsession with form is condemning yourself to eternal twinkdom.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    For me, its landmine rows, the best barbell rowing movement

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Barbell bent rows are one of the most based exercises you can do for your back. You simply have to FORCE yourself to work within your means. Right now I do reps with 150 lbs which is not much but I insist on maintaining form and the thickness of my mid back has grown exponentially. I also consider them very good for maintaining healthy shoulders when doing a lot of pressing.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    yes
    >poor range of motion
    >biomechanically awkward; unless you can lean over to 90 degrees, you may as well be doing cable rows or seal rows. When only at 45 degree upright like OPpic, it's kind of an awkward upright row
    >lots of effort/focus/energy expended to support lower back, spine, and legs during movement--- distracts from and lessens output in the primary movement, and lower back stabilization is a weak point in the exercise that limits your weight
    >makes lower back ripe for injury
    >easy to cheat on, which I usually see people doing--- jerking bar upright with back, dropping body down to bar, leaning upright to build bar momentum, etc

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah I exclusively do cable rows. They feel amazing compared to bb rows.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Even though it’s kinda gay I like weighted inverted rows

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Inverted rows are fucking based. I hate rows ever since switching to bent over rows

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    barbell rows are based, and people that hate on them mostly rowlets
    t. 3.5pl8 rower

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I just do dead rows

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I'm just too retarded to do them right so I switched to T-bar rows.

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >MOGS your shitty, inefficient lift.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      this is probably the best that a back exercise can get in terms of form and ergonomics
      >total freedom of movement for each hand laterally, up/down, and rotationally (you can pronate/supinate)
      >can choose width of grip and that width can change dynamically throughout exercise
      >freedom of movement for each hand means maximal recruitment of minor stabilization muscles as well as perfectly ergonomic movement that doesn't remotely strain the shoulders
      >minimal lower back/spine stress or stabilization needed

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        and yet its a shit exercise. You are just inventing a whole bunch of reasons that doesn't really matter. It looks like you know your shit, it looks like the exercise is legit as fuck. But all that shit is just fluff and irrelevant. Been doing ring rows for years. Its overrated af imo

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          maybe that is because u cant increase the resistance?! just a weird whacky thought

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            this probably very very wacky but like uh there is like this thing called backpacks sweaty, they are like, so wacky omg

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              whacky and really weird thought here, you never did that, i know it sounds crazy

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Bent barbell rows are the most superior back exercise there is. Backlets not allowed to reply below this line
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    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      mirin that lower back

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    They scare me with how they make my lower back feel the day after and while doing them. Just doesn't feel right, like it's just a matter of time before they fuck my back up. I'm relying on chin-ups and cable rows for lat growth from now on.

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    not a meme back exercise but there are probably better options if you have the equipment and are focusing on hypertrophy
    barbell rows would probably have more carryover to deadlift strength than other row variations
    regardless of your goals, you need to do some sort of horizontal pulling
    i really like deadlift rows with an explosive concentric and slow eccentric

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Dont worry about if they're not optimal, they certainly help. Your back is a huge part of your body (obviously) you should be doing like 3 exercises including floor pulling to cover everything. I fail to see hwo you can have a small back if you do these, lat isolations, facepulls (or just pendlays) and pull ups

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Do them from a floor not a hang. There is no way to do heavy barbell rows from a hang and not end up witj conpromosed form.

    Doing it from the floor is a different story. It becomes an explosive movment like a clean

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Are barbell rows an absolute meme? They're way too easy to cheat on and they seem inferior to chest supported rows and cable rows.
    If your cheating your lifting too much, if you 'brace your core' your abs and lower back become the chair to stabilise your torso to not cheat
    >What are the best exercises for juicy lats?
    any exercise where you tuck your elbows behind you as close to your back as possible

  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I've been going to the gym for a long time and I don't think I've ever seen a single person doing Pendlay rows

  28. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Doing cheat rows in the way that Cailer Woolam described them helped blow up my deadlift and added a lot of size of my back. So I still like them

  29. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I love doing barbell rows, they're tons of fun
    If you can't do a proper barbell row that's on you

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      How strict do you do then? I feel like I have to use extremely low weight to keep my form strict but I'm not sure if I should be cheating slightly

  30. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Long ROM T-bar rows with 10kg plates is very based

  31. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    bro all those exercises hit mainly Rhomboids not Lats

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