Are bodybuilders weak?

There are some really big (obviously roided) guys on my gym who bench 1 plate, OHP half of it, and so on. Does it mean that, despite all those enormous muscles, they are weak? For example, disregarding any training on fights any of us might have, does it mean that I, a natty with a little bit of muscle who can 1/2/3/4 for some reps, would beat the shit out of these guys? I don't get it. They obviously look strong, but then they can't lift any decent weights on anything...

  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Comparatively, yes
    For instance you've got a guy like Mark Bell who is in the top 1% of strength, and he's significantly smaller than Ronnie Coleman in his prime, who is probably the biggest guy to ever lift but also much weaker

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Terrible example Ronnie Coleman could've easily gone the strong man route he was insanely strong in his peak

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >There are some really big (obviously roided) guys on my gym who bench 1 plate, OHP half of it, and so on.
      No, there aren't. Nobody actually big is benching 1pl8 for anything other than a warmup/volume oriented pump set. If you look at how actual bodybuilders train a lot of them don't lift heavy week-in and week-out but in bulking phases especially they will. A lot of bodybuilders are better at lifting for reps than even very good powerlifters.

      Ronnie squatted 800 for 2 reps

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Mark Bell squatted 1080

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          He's got one of the highest totals ever. Calling him top 1% is like calling Messi a top 1% footballer. Saying top bodybuilders have lower 1rms than top powerlifters is a totally pointless statement. It's like saying a 1500m runner has a lower sprint time than an Olympic 100m finalist. Of course they fucking do.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Nobody actually big is benching 1pl8 for anything other than a warmup/volume oriented pump set.
        Have you ever gone to a commercial gym? Literally 90% of people with roided physiques: bench 1 plate (or at max 1.5 plate), row 1 plate, curl light weight etc. When you roid you absolutely doesn't need anything other than volume and pump to get huge.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          They might be on roids but they're not actually big. Even then they're not actually weak, they just use light weights for their volume. Most of them will be able to bench close to 3pl8

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          You're dumb as fuck, my bench warm up is 285x12, my working set is 315, peak at 355x3 then work my way back down to 285. All the roiders I know are doing heavier weights, my rdls are 495x8 ffs

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          You gain no hypertrophy from doing your 1RM every session, 1pl8 for 20 will give them a better pump/hypertrophy. If you actually asked them what their 1RM is tho i guarantee it’d be 3pl8.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >A lot of bodybuilders are better at lifting for reps than even very good powerlifters.
        Also wrong. A powerlifter can pick 1/2/3/4 or even 2/3/4/5 and rep it out like 20 times +
        Candito, for example, is NATTY and repped 4 plates deadlift like over 20 times even though he doesnt train deadlift for volume ever

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Tom Platz repped 5pl8 squats over 20. To beat that you're well into bloatlord territory.
          Also good for Candito but there are a lot of people who can do that. My PR with 190kg is 14 and with 200kg is 12 and I'm just some guy.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            he is just some guy too, he is not impressive among natty competitors as far as i know, but i do not follow anyone else

            They might be on roids but they're not actually big. Even then they're not actually weak, they just use light weights for their volume. Most of them will be able to bench close to 3pl8

            doubt, getting a pump with such tiny weights would require 30-40 reps, not 10 per set

            You're dumb as fuck, my bench warm up is 285x12, my working set is 315, peak at 355x3 then work my way back down to 285. All the roiders I know are doing heavier weights, my rdls are 495x8 ffs

            I am not dumb + I do not goto your gym, I told you what I see in mine and not in some made up anon LARP

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Hurrr I go to planet fitness

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >t. you

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yes but no

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                u are literally fat tho

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Your point is correct but using ronnie coleman as your example is fucking retarded... he had elite tier lifts

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >ronnie coleman
      you mean this ronnie? the one chest pressing 200lbs dumbbells for reps lol?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's that ronnie coleman weighed 300 lbs but was only marginally stronger than a lot of guys who weighed over 100 lbs less than him.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Marginally stronger
          >Squats 823 lbs
          >557 bench
          >2400 lb leg press

          Just kys

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Don't guys like this ever realize they carry the same risk of heart failure as a dude who's morbidly obese?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Who cares? He achieved greatness. You're a pussy with no drive who's concerned about ephemeral things like "heart disease" and "aging" . Were all gonna die, but when you're dead and so is ronnie, no one will remember you're name.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Lol I’m sure the reason he got into bodybuilding was to lower his risk of heart disease… you fucking retard

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Bodybuilders are super weak because they just lift weights in low volume so they get muscle hypertrophy but without the strength. I’m 5’8 and I bench 140 pounds and I could easily beat up any “pro” bodybuilder in a fight. Not only am I stronger pound for pound, but I’m also much faster and more flexible and mobile. So keep ego lifting and flexing in the mirror. I’ll just smile, because I know that the girls know who’s really the stronger

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Oh and plus bodybuilders take steroids so their “muscles” are fake

      I’m all natural so my muscle fibers are far stronger

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Bodybuilders are super weak because they just lift weights in low volume so they get muscle hypertrophy but without the strength. I’m 5’8 and I bench 140 pounds and I could easily beat up any “pro” bodybuilder in a fight. Not only am I stronger pound for pound, but I’m also much faster and more flexible and mobile. So keep ego lifting and flexing in the mirror. I’ll just smile, because I know that the girls know who’s really the stronger

        Have a couple (You)s anon, I got a good chuckle

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Super weak compared to people who focus only on strength for a one rep max maybe but their capacity to work is quite high and could easily translate it into strength work based on work capacity alone.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      inb4 20 replies

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      sorry bro but the girls think the big hypertrophy guys are stronger and they don't care if you tell them they're wrong

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      big muscles != conditioned strength.

      dumb bitches absolutely do not know who is stronger, bro. All they see is the size even though most of those blokes are weak in most practical scenarios.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >they just lift weights in low volume so they get muscle hypertrophy but without the strength.
      Don't low reps = strength but not much hypertrophy and then high reps = hypertrophy but not as much strength as low reps? I don't get it.

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, always assume that the weight someone is lifting is their max, and that they haven't already exhausted their muscles.

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Good bodybuilders are weak, but not because bodybuilding makes you weak. It's because not having the neural component for strength makes you a good bodybuilder.
    You don't need to lift big weights, when you can go to failure with low weight, recover quickly and go to failure again.
    In comparison, a neurologically strong person will tax himself with big weights, recover slowly and miss out on 2-3 training sessions due to this. You'll never get bodybuilder levels of swole if you have to squat 600lbs for sets of 8 to get proper muscle growth.

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Anecdote:
    > Lifting late at night in a 24 hour gym
    > Always body builders there doing weird lifts with 5 lb dumbells, sometimes for hours
    > One gets a phone call and gets very worked up after it
    > Throws a 5 lb dumbell at the glass mirror

    It went through the entire wall. Glass, plaster, and brick. Knocked 5 bricks out of the building. Make of that what you will.

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Is that a woman?

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >can I beat the shit out of a guy if my lifts are higher
    No and the fact you even think that's true is a big fat sign showing you're a pussy.

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Elite bodybuilders are usually slightly weaker than elite powerlifters, but still stronger than everyone else.

    Example, Tom Platz squatted 525 lbs for 23 reps, but never squatted over 800 lbs. So Tom Platz is weaker than elite powerlifters.

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    how do they only have one plate on the bar? Wouldn't they need to add another to the other side to balance it?

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    A significant percentage of the muscle mass in steroid users are excess water, glycogen and non contractile elements of muscle. They have a lot of excess fluff in the muscle that makes the muscle size out of proportion to the strength.
    If they go cold turkey off the steroids, they will quickly loose this excess fluff within weeks, while largely maintaining strength as the muscle fibers are still there.
    Bodybuilders lower doses in the week or two leading up to the competition to reduce this muscle bloat to make their muscles look harder and denser.

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >pic related
    someone post that pic of taftaj holding up a bible

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

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