Are deadlifts and squats enough for developing your core?

Are deadlifts and squats enough for developing your core?

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    most of my core exercise is when failing lat pulldowns and pec flies

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, we don't care about your ayabs

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Deadlifts not so much. Squats work your core. Front squats are better. You should train abs a few times a week regardless. If you want a muscle to be developed you have to train it. Just because your core muscles are used in other exercises doesn't mean they develop the same way they would if you trained them directly. Same reason you train your arms directly even though they are used in upper body movements. Train everything directly if you want a good physique.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    holy shit you're a fricking moron
    imagine actually writing this
    lmao

    Deadlifts not so much. Squats work your core. Front squats are better. You should train abs a few times a week regardless. If you want a muscle to be developed you have to train it. Just because your core muscles are used in other exercises doesn't mean they develop the same way they would if you trained them directly. Same reason you train your arms directly even though they are used in upper body movements. Train everything directly if you want a good physique.

    >Deadlifts not so much.
    moron
    > Front squats are better
    moron
    > Just because your core muscles are used in other exercises doesn't mean they develop the same way they would if you trained them directly
    moron

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Found the dyel powershart larper.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >calls people morons
      >doesn’t contribute additional information

      Put up or shut the frick up

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        [...]

        Given constant hypertrophy, "individual ab cutouts" is a function of bodyfat %. Any stimulus that results in ab hypertrophy will result in "individual ab cutouts" with sufficiently low bodyfat %.

        Deadlifts not so much. Squats work your core. Front squats are better. You should train abs a few times a week regardless. If you want a muscle to be developed you have to train it. Just because your core muscles are used in other exercises doesn't mean they develop the same way they would if you trained them directly. Same reason you train your arms directly even though they are used in upper body movements. Train everything directly if you want a good physique.

        >Deadlifts not so much.
        Deadlifts involve big weights and very horizontal trucks (so the torque from the bar is extremely high; higher than in the squat) and contracted abs is a requirement for the rigid torso that is needed to deadlift heavy weights.
        > Front squats are better
        Given a constant torso angle, a more vertical torso equals less ab involvement, not more, because the torque from the bar will be less because the effective lever arm at the point of rotations (the hips) is shorter. Also, you front squat less than you squat which also decreases how much your abs need to be involved.
        > Just because your core muscles are used in other exercises doesn't mean they develop the same way they would if you trained them directly
        "Direct" just means isolation and isolation ab work is a meme that doesn't get close to the loading you experience under heavy diddies/squats. Additionally, muscles can only contract one way.
        >Put up or shut the frick up
        Frick you, moron

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Your abs will not grow if you don't train them directly. It is not just about bodyfat levels. You can be low bodyfat and have shitty underdeveloped abs. If you want nice looking abs like you see on bodybuilders you have to train them. The chiseled six pack you want is a product of low bodyfat and muscular development.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You're a fricking moron with a shit physique who knows nothing about lifting. I get more of an ab workout doing cable tricep pushdowns than I do deadlifting. Doesn't matter. I train them directly at the end of my workouts and that has done more than anything to develop them.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >I get more of an ab workout doing cable tricep pushdowns than I do deadlifting.
            How have you determined this? By DOMS? If so, you're a moron.

            https://i.imgur.com/3QAetDY.jpeg

            Your abs will not grow if you don't train them directly. It is not just about bodyfat levels. You can be low bodyfat and have shitty underdeveloped abs. If you want nice looking abs like you see on bodybuilders you have to train them. The chiseled six pack you want is a product of low bodyfat and muscular development.

            >Your abs will not grow if you don't train them directly.
            aka "your abs will not grow if you don't do isolations"
            absolutely moronic, you are
            imagine believing that the only way muscle hypertrophy can occur for any muscle belly is to isolate it
            lmao

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Yes, the way you get a muscle to grow is by training it directly so that it is being fully worked. If that muscle is only assisting with another movement but it isn't the point of failure then it will not be sufficiently stimulated to grow. Lifting 101

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Even the most casual empirical observation shows how stupid you are: you can get big all over, just doing compounds, without ever failing.
                I bet you can't even squat 4pl8 lol
                get these fricking dyel morons off my board

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                This is the most obvious shit in the world if you have eyes to see. It's the reason powerlifters look DYEL and never look like bodybuilders despite lifting way more and technically using their whole bodies. The only thing they have to show for it is their glutes and spinal erectors, because those are the only muscles they train directly.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                powerlifters that have strong benches (without ROM coping) at reasonable bf % don't look dyel at all, moron

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I will FRICK you in your ASS
            watch your mouth

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >I get more of an ab workout doing cable tricep pushdowns than I do deadlifting.
          How have you determined this? By DOMS? If so, you're a moron.
          [...]
          >Your abs will not grow if you don't train them directly.
          aka "your abs will not grow if you don't do isolations"
          absolutely moronic, you are
          imagine believing that the only way muscle hypertrophy can occur for any muscle belly is to isolate it
          lmao

          I'm going to give you more respect than you deserve and explain something you clearly don't understand.

          "Abs" are not one muscle group. They are a complex, layered system of core support responsible for a variety of motions and stabilizations.

          Yes, your big compounds will absolutely grow your "ab" muscles, but not the ones you want to make pop. The muscle groups you think of when you look in the mirror are responsible for contraction of the type seen in crunches, hanging leg raises, etc. For a bonus, twisting oblique contractions will get you the Adonis belt.

          These "mirror muscles" cover the big stabilizers you develop in big compounds. No amount of squatting or whatever will give you a 6 pack if you don't build any definition in the surface muscles.

          Understand this or don't, it's your choice.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            > No amount of squatting or whatever will give you a 6 pack if you don't build any definition in the surface muscles.
            empirically false once again

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              We're taking about (You) here. (You) specifically will never build visible abs with compounds alone.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You can listen to someone who has decades of lifting experience and has learned from his mistakes, or you can be a young moron who trains incorrectly for years and years and wastes a lot of his time and potential doing everything wrong. Choose your path.

      Here's a question. Why do powerlifters who squat 1000lbs and deadlift 900lbs still train their abs directly? They don't even care about the appearance of them. Yeah, that's right. It's because the squats and deadlifts they do aren't enough to fully train the core. They also do dedicated back and glute work.

      Train EVERYTHING. Do not be another moron who only directly trains half his body doing heavy compounds and ends up looking DYEL after years in the gym.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        One of the guys on PLG squats over 900 and DLs over 800, and doesn't do any direct core work.

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    yeah
    i quite rather enjoyed my squat gut before i started working abs on the reg

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Is it really going to kill you to throw some hanging leg raises in there?

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Don't buy into the meme. You NEED back flexion.

    Get to 0/0.5/1/1.5/2/2.5/3 for reps and you'll have abs

    • 2 weeks ago
      Horsecawk

      >Get to 0/0.5/1/1.5/2/2.5/3 for reps and you'll have abs
      What the frick is this

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The abs are used in heavy compounds the same way the biceps and back are used to stabilize the weight in a bench press. If you think benching is enough to train your biceps then you are a fricking moron the same if you think deadlifting is enough to train your abs.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Empirically false once more: there are so many examples of people with yoked cores that do zero ab isolations.
      And it's a false equivalence: the abs are not used to "stabilize the weight" they are used to create a rigid torso that directly supports the weight. Your abs contract harder in a heavy squat than they ever do in some meme ab isolation bullshit.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >there are so many examples
        None of these will ever include you, because you're a fatass arguing things you don't understand with complete strangers on a Mongolian Basket Weaving forum.

        Even if you did get shredded, which you won't, you fat worthless sack of ignorant shit, the path to visible abs is far shorter with isolations than with muh heavy squats.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I have visible abs despite being high teens bf. And i only do heavy compounds. My abs are visible, despite my bodyfat %, because they are so large, because I can squat 6pl8. SImple as. Stay mad and weak lol

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            And you're 6'8" with a 12" wiener, I assume.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              No, but I'm not lying about my numbers and abs. If you want to cope and reject it, fine, but I'm stronger than you and I'm direct evidence that your claims are wrong and false.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I'll just go ahead and believe some random schmo on IST arguing the least sensical strategy for getting visible abs is actually an expert level lifter

                I'll entertain this fantasy for what it's worth. How many lmao pl8s did you have to squat before you saw your abs?

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No I deadlifted for 10 years and squatted for 10 years.. It works your core but not in that way. My abs were also holding me back and I felt injury prone

    Then I started doing hanging leg raise and I could feel my 6 pack growing and it helped with deadlift too

    • 2 weeks ago
      Horsecawk

      >Then I started doing hanging leg raise and I could feel my 6 pack growing and it helped with deadlift too

      Your hip flexors must have been moronic weak, and form moronic bad, if hanging leg raises assisted your progress after 10 years of training squat and deadlift.

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Horsecawk

    Enough to train everything except the rectus abdominis so throw in some bench, OHP, chinups, and decline situps

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i want to lick her sweat while i pound her tight anavar pussy

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