Are his routines worth doing for natties?

Are his routines worth doing for natties?

  1. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    maybe, but it's not gonna make you look like that

  2. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    no, these are so high volume that you simply will not recover from your training, any bbuilding programs shilled by frauds are not sustainable by natties and will not yield expected results

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      I could follow pro bodybuilder routines when I was like 17-18 as long as I ate like a horse and got plenty of sleep. And they *did* produce some significant gains. But yeah, the volume was unsustainable and probably not even necessary. If you're not roiding you're only going to get so big, 20 sets of tricep exercises isn't going to do more than 5 or 6 good sets will

      The older I got the more sense Mentzer made to me. Do just enough to trigger hypertrophy, and if you're not recovering as fast as you thought, rest more. One set to failure might be enough sometimes

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        THAT'S A NICE POST, DID YOUR HUSBAND WRITE IT FOR YOU?

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          HEY. I'm sure his husband is a very nice man anon, watch your tone!

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          How did Raimi get away with it

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            different times

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        For me it was HIT methods and finding the few lifts that actually work and sticking to them instead of arbitrarily adding more of the same shit. Like there's 10 billion tricep lifts when like 2-3 actually do the job. Also watching fags shit on HIT while in the same breath they say "myoreps" and "cluster sets" are good made me stop caring about whatever these people have to say. It's just rest-pause training and myoreps plagiarizes doggcrapp. Rest-pause follows the size principle better than straight sets, while straight sets just give an emphasis on technique drilling which is why Sheiko has 1000 sets of 50% triples that provide no hypertrophy.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          staying further from failure and doing more volume can definitely be better for some people, just like going to failure and doing less volume can be better for others. I wish there was more research on inter-individual variability and differences in response to frequency, volume, proximity to failure, load, etc.
          rest-pause and drop sets are great for accessory exercises, but regular sets with long rest is better for strength (and heavy compounds).

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            in general population, variations are minimal. you're not as unique as you think

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              Even as a mutt?

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              Imagine believing this. People vary so much in virtually every other aspect both physically and mentally but muscle response must be almost exactly the same

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >staying further from failure and doing more volume can definitely be better for some people, just like going to failure and doing less volume can be better for others. I wish there was more research on inter-individual variability and differences in response to frequency, volume, proximity to failure, load, etc.
            there already is
            the difference inbetween individuals is dozens of times higher than the difference in frequency and volume

            in general population, variations are minimal. you're not as unique as you think

            variations are enormous between individuals

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah, I like adding some variety once in a while but for most bodyparts I have like 2-3 key exercises that would really be sufficient even if I never did anything else

          staying further from failure and doing more volume can definitely be better for some people, just like going to failure and doing less volume can be better for others. I wish there was more research on inter-individual variability and differences in response to frequency, volume, proximity to failure, load, etc.
          rest-pause and drop sets are great for accessory exercises, but regular sets with long rest is better for strength (and heavy compounds).

          Volume and failure aren't mutually exclusive, you can train to failure at lower weight but it just might take 20 reps instead. Although I don't think absolute failure necessarily needs to be the end goal all the time anyway. It might be the way to maximum gains but it's also rough on the body and can be dangerous with freeweights. I sometimes get to the vicinity of failure but rarely all the way these days, but then again I'm getting too old for this shit.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Volume and failure aren't mutually exclusive
            I know. I didn't mean to imply otherwise.
            >you can train to failure at lower weight
            I know. I meant volume as in number of hard sets, not total number of reps.

            in general population, variations are minimal. you're not as unique as you think

            This dumb myth needs to die. Inter-individual variability is high in virtually any metric.
            >there already is
            Way too little research on that in my opinion.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      He said multiple times that natties can't sustain as much volume as roided ppl. He said that you should go for high volume, but not as high as actual bodybuilders.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        This. Volume is king.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          one single study of which the results are refuted by every single other resistance exercise trial ever done

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          one single study of which the results are refuted by every single other resistance exercise trial ever done

          This one says 5 per workout is better.
          https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27941492/
          That youtube one was probably roiders.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            yeah that study had people do over 10 sets to "failure" for quads 3x a week, I have never seen anyone recover from that type of workload that's more volume than fucking smolov

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        you can recover from high volume you just can't recover from doing it all the time or frequently

  3. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >steroids can be used in a safe w-ACK

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      where did OP state that?

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Guy in the picture, John Meadows aka Mountain Dog, died from heart problems not that long ago.

  4. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    People say they're good but they're fags and they won't post the routine and expect you to pay money to a dead man to see a list of lifts and the sets/reps.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      lmao retard you could literally just search his programs on pdf drive .com or any pdf sites. ive been on his programs for a while now and i don't pay jack shit. rest in peace though.

  5. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's all a meme dude. Low to moderate volume, 1-3× per week per muscle group for natties. Train hard, focus on getting stronger in hypertrophy rep ranges.

  6. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    No routine a roider does will work for natties.

  7. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    idk about routine but I do his DB row variation where you basically fuck the bench because my back used to get egregiously sore doing them and it feels great

  8. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I think he said at one point he didn't like training natties but i could be mistaken.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      DC and Jordan Peters prove you wrong.

  9. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    honestly i wouldn't even do them if you're a roider
    pic a routine from someone who actually looks good

  10. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    his shoulder side lat raise butterfly thing with heavy dumbbells has made my side delts massive

  11. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I like some of the exercises he endorses.

  12. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I don't like the idea of his routines conceptually. He wants all these autistic hyper specialized exercises with bands and random shit. Explain to me how a meadows row is fundamentally any different from a dumbbell row.

  13. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Wouldn't recommend his steroid routine, lol.

  14. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    His dumbbell-only routines are great for lifting at home

  15. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    i do Meadows rows weekly when i want to target rear delts and rhoms and traps. I find it much more isolating and can vary my elbow position for various results.

  16. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Are his routines worth doing for natties?
    The toughest pill to swallow is that none of the routines offered by youtube lifters are worth doing as a natty because they're all on the juice (or at least 95% of them) and they're overkill and suboptimal. They may offer a sense of overall balance but they're too much if followed verbatim.

    >DON'T neglect your rear delts! Do these variations!
    >DON'T neglect the different tricep heads! Do these variations!
    >DON'T neglect your mid traps! Do these variations!
    >DON'T neglect X! Do these variations!

    I can't spend that much time in the gym wasting intensity on such minimal aspects ALL the time, there's only so much fuel I can use in any given session. As a natty you have to chase the best bang for your buck, hit compounds and hit them hard, consistently (of course secondary movements should be done too but those are complementary and lighter). Now, I fucking loved Meadows, and his knowledge of exercises and biomechanics was monumental, but you can't expect the average gym-goer to just tank 4 to 5 back exercises in one go to failure and then move on to chest or whatever. Jeff Nippard also comes to mind, with his exaggerated analysis of how X grip offers 5% more gains than Y grip... This minutia is irrelevant. It's always the same story, fitness has been figured out a long time ago, but people need to keep reinventing the wheel to make a dollar.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Jeff Nippard releases a video on minimalism hours after I make this post
      Can't make this shit up.

  17. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why did you remake this thread?
    Kys

  18. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Came up with my favorite accessory row but I haven't looked at anything else from this guy

  19. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Anyone that's ever been on gear knows that volume is KING. Whatever gives you the best pump is KING. Simple as.

    >I'm natty tho.

    It doesn't really matter what you do, you'll never look like a bodybuilder. Anyone who does and claims natty is a LIAR. You'll figure that out on your own eventually.

  20. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I feel like he was one of the most based dudes. I think the principles he talks about are widely applicable.

  21. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >noo you can't train like roiders they do too much volume/frequency!

    meaddows recommends like 15 sets on each bodypart a week, training each muscle group once/twice a week depending on your own ability
    >noo you shouldn't train like roiders they don't need to train as much as natties you need to train a muscle every day for 30+ sets a week!

    which one is it then?
    I have talked to natty and non natty bodybuilders and they all train the fucking same lol, they all train with the same splits and around the same training volume, I know 3 of them that train with routines almost identical to the ones dorian yates and john meadows used in the past with great success

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