>YEAH BRO WE AIN'T PAYING YOU SHIT AND YOU'LL PROBABLY DIE BUT UH... fuck how do we sell this...uh...uh... you get HONOR AND SHIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET
Heres your months of darkness, bitter cold, and constant danger but dont worry its about the adventure bro!!! You're getting to go where nobody else has before eXDD
Most other able-bodied men in Europe were getting shot at in a trench at the time of Shackleton's Expedition. A few months aboard a freezing ship in Antarctica certainly beats dying from a shrapnel wound in the Alsace–Lorraine mud.
Except you had like an 80% chance of survival fighting in the war. Certainly not a sunday stroll, but i'll take my fucking chances there instead of freezing my balls off and eating my buddies in earth's frozen butthole.
Did any of the men involved get honor or only the captain and the financer? Like could you go up to a 1900s woman and say 'hey baby I sailed to the arctic' and would she care?
you should read about what this is referring to, Shackleton's expedition on the Endurance.
Shackleton and all those men are remembered a century later, and will be centuries from now. You will be forgotten a year after your immidiately family and yourself have passed.
First of all, no not "all those men are remembered" Shackleton mainly and some of the other officers are remembered. The regular crew, the ones that signed up are lucky to be footnotes. Also, ok. Shackleton is remembered. Does this Shackleton feel better in whatever circle of the void he's in that he's remembered? Is he warmer because someone reads a wikipedia article with his name in it?
You will never be a man.
Because i wouldn't voluntarily exploit myself for someone else's benefit for 0 reward other than some ephemeral sense of "honor"? Sure thing, chud.
You're the reddit nihilist though. There's no other reason i can imagine you'd think throwing your life for no good reason is preferable to living for yourself and raising a family. >BUT HURR DURR I CANT WAIT TO HAVE THIS EPIC ADVENTURE AND HAVE HECKIN FECKIN GLORY IMAGINE ALL THE UPVOTES ILL GET
Whatever, little bro.
Not grasping the concept of honor is literally one of the main traits of female mentality, gay
Are you also proud that you don't know how a fridge works?
Explain to me what you think "the concept of honor" is, retard. Explain how eating shit and getting virtually no reward for taking extreme risk while the captain and his officer buddies get all the credit - how is this honorable?
My interpretation: "Honor" was used as a psy-op, basically a fancy marketing term to get a bunch of gullible, naive, romantic imbeciles on board to do risk their lives for 0 gain to themselves. Very effective marketing gimmick, i must admit - judging from the retards in this thread, it still works to this day.
>My interpretation
I'll stop you right there, Nancy. While women try to shape the world according to their subjective perception ("my truth", "my interpretation") there still is this thing called OBJECTIVE TRUTH. It doesn't matter how much you "feel" or "interpret" that 2+2=5, it can never be objective truth. And for the truth about the concept of honor we just have to look into actual sciences, behavioral biology and anthropology. Go dry your nails while you read this, you might just learn something today.
Mankind is still 99% driven by instincts, baser feelings. Hunger, sex drive, sense of danger, and so on. And for men, one of these instincts is a sense of honor.
Back in the stone age, males had to cooperate for the sake of the tribe. Hunting with no tools is not a one man job. They had to work towards the well-being of not just a certain group of people, but as tribes grew in size towards the well-being of an abstract concept of what would later become society. So males that showed a certain reliability towards working for the tribe as a whole were at an evolutionary advantage compared to the males who would only think about themselves, so bestowing them with communal resources was a safe investment. Even if they were not able to articulate it at the time, stone age males started to rely on inarticulate codes of conduct, like helping an injured other male back to camp and spending resources to try and patch him up. Males who would not show reliability towards the tribe would in turn not receive help from the other members when in need themselves.
This of course includes actual self-sacrificial behavior. Jumping between a strange kid and a lion endangers yourself, but the kid will live and guarantee one more member of the next tribe generation. Letting the kid die is a setback to the entire tribe, so humans evolved to perceive such an act as disgusting.
cont
2 months ago
Anonymous
What happens in a normal humans brain when feeling disgust? It stimulates the brain regions for the sense of cleanliness and anger. This is not up for debate. So as your miserable ancestors settled down and started to give this hole "agriculture" thing a try, the males already had a very strong sense of what is acceptable or unacceptable behavior towards the village. Even if it wasn't an action towards the village itself like assaulting a group of travelers, this would cause problems for your own village, so men still wouldn't do it just because they could. Instead they started to strive to being valuable assets to the village/society as a whole, and voila, the concept of honor as social currency was eventually written down and codified for future generations.
Now women on the other hand have a different brain structure in that regard. Women don't interact with each other based on cooperation, it's competition. Until very recently a female would permanently be pregnant and with at least two or three small children. The stone age females would huddle together for mutual protection, but in this group the female that had all eyes on her was the safest from harm. So women started to develop a sense and desire for attention. And unlike men, who evolved to develop a sense for community well-being, women had the much more baser role of protecting both their pregnant bellies and their own kids. In old times resources like food or shelter were a zero sum game for a bunch of pregnant females, so it was not evolutionary advantageous to be altruistic, quite the opposite. So simply put, men evolved to have a sense of being a contributing factor to society, whereas women evolved to be selfish attention whores.
cont
2 months ago
Anonymous
Sure, women can form mutually beneficial relationships and even actual friendships, but ever notice how women will shower the fat ugly neighbor with compliments, but slag off the fit pretty 20 year old two doors over? Because their stone age brains see the pretty girl in her prime as a threat for attention and therefore physical safety, whereas the hambeast isn't.
Everyone in the first world knows about Shackletons expeditions. Obviously not every detail, but how they tried to advance the human understanding of the world and help mankind forward. Women, who generally lack any sense of community welfare or drive to work towards a greater good BECAUSE THEY ARE PHYSIOLOGICALLY UNABLE TO (stray exceptions still apply obviously) simply cannot understand this. Just look at the recent "why are they blowing money into space" and "toxic masculinity space penis" bullshit when Bezos launched a rocket, which mainly is perpetrated by women and fags. These people simply cannot understand the concept. It's like trying to explain to them that men do in fact not need attention in the same way they need water or food, it's literally impossible for them to even entertain the thought, no matter how hard they try.
Your "interpretation" has zero meaning, go get a degree in actual sciences. Men smarter than you have already mapped all of this out. >tldr go back
2 months ago
Anonymous
Solid post
2 months ago
Anonymous
Interesting.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah i'm not reading this shit, professor crack addict. I'll give you some objective truth: If you're putting your ass on the line to go to the ends of the earth, you should at the very least demand adequate compensation. Not in some meme currency like "heckin honor", but REAL shit. Money, fame, wives, anything except "honor"
2 months ago
Anonymous
you aren't white, right?
white europeans understand why they did it.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Lol ok little bro. Seems to me like morons would understand why you would essentially be a slave and believe in massa's bullshit about it being "honorable" or whatever.
literally who? nobody knows anybody today unless they look at internet and literally everybody is on internet
for average zoomer reading wiki page about Shackleton will be less relevant than browsing hottie's profile on social media and he will remember her name but not his
Don't try to share some rationality to these future school shooters who are subbed every giga chad, sigma male youtube channel and twitter account. It's pointless.
Heres your months of darkness, bitter cold, and constant danger but dont worry its about the adventure bro!!! You're getting to go where nobody else has before eXDD
>t. one sided 2IQ zoomer with no notion of perspective
back to tiktok gay
Heres your months of darkness, bitter cold, and constant danger but dont worry its about the adventure bro!!! You're getting to go where nobody else has before eXDD
Did any of the men involved get honor or only the captain and the financer? Like could you go up to a 1900s woman and say 'hey baby I sailed to the arctic' and would she care?
Listened to a podcast yesterday about scott's venture to the south pole. They got beaten by a norwegian team by a month. Most of scott's team died and the majority had severe frostbite.
>hides out in the storage of some random ship docked in south america >is discovered and interrogated by chad Ernest Shackleton >doesnt back down, even makes a joke about eating shackleton during starving scenario >becomes an integral part of the crew >contributes heavily by hunting and securing many bounties of penguins >loses a foot to frost bite and doesnt bitch a single time(the worst injury of the entire voyage btw) >had an island named after him because of the voyage >did it all before 18
>You always want me to give up something. What do you want me to give up now?
Ernest Shackletons final words as spoken to his doctor, who had advised him to take it easy.
Thats how a man dies.
One correction to this meme, even pressed sailors in the royal navy got decent rations two pounds salt beef or the equivalent, a pound of ships biscuit, and a full quart of rum a day.
Hell yeah, I'm on my way
Can I have the position for neat appearing men of pleasing personality instead?
>YEAH BRO WE AIN'T PAYING YOU SHIT AND YOU'LL PROBABLY DIE BUT UH... fuck how do we sell this...uh...uh... you get HONOR AND SHIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET
it's honest. you wouldn't want weak dudes with no lust for adventure
Heres your months of darkness, bitter cold, and constant danger but dont worry its about the adventure bro!!! You're getting to go where nobody else has before eXDD
you are a idiot
when everybody would think like you we wouldn't have discovered amerika till now.
you're weakminded and will never trully make it.
discovering America was one of humanity's biggest mistakes
leif errikson did nothing wrong. columbus was the one who started the shitshow.
>christfag ruins everything
nothing new here
No, allowing garden gnomes into America was the mistake.
me and the boys on the Trojan horse
Most other able-bodied men in Europe were getting shot at in a trench at the time of Shackleton's Expedition. A few months aboard a freezing ship in Antarctica certainly beats dying from a shrapnel wound in the Alsace–Lorraine mud.
Everybody on Shackelton's expedition died you fucking smoothbrain.
A bunch of people survived Endurance.
All of them survived.
They all survived you subhuman retard. What compels a person to say something completely wrong so confidently?
Except you had like an 80% chance of survival fighting in the war. Certainly not a sunday stroll, but i'll take my fucking chances there instead of freezing my balls off and eating my buddies in earth's frozen butthole.
imagine frothing at the mouth at a 4chinz post. you're safe brah nobody is gonna take your funko pops from you
you should read about what this is referring to, Shackleton's expedition on the Endurance.
It was a different time
You will never be a man.
Shackleton and all those men are remembered a century later, and will be centuries from now. You will be forgotten a year after your immidiately family and yourself have passed.
And yet their still dead and unable to comprehend that someone remmebers them.
First of all, no not "all those men are remembered" Shackleton mainly and some of the other officers are remembered. The regular crew, the ones that signed up are lucky to be footnotes. Also, ok. Shackleton is remembered. Does this Shackleton feel better in whatever circle of the void he's in that he's remembered? Is he warmer because someone reads a wikipedia article with his name in it?
Because i wouldn't voluntarily exploit myself for someone else's benefit for 0 reward other than some ephemeral sense of "honor"? Sure thing, chud.
We get it bro, you're a heckin' reddit nihilist.
If nothing matters in the end, why do YOU care if other people want to strive for glory?
You're the reddit nihilist though. There's no other reason i can imagine you'd think throwing your life for no good reason is preferable to living for yourself and raising a family.
>BUT HURR DURR I CANT WAIT TO HAVE THIS EPIC ADVENTURE AND HAVE HECKIN FECKIN GLORY IMAGINE ALL THE UPVOTES ILL GET
Whatever, little bro.
Ok, that's fair I guess. So long as you have some purpose.
no you're definitely the basedboy redditor here. very cringe. kys
Literally a 56% guatemalan beaner mutt or worse
If you were white you would get it
>how come white people be climbing mountains aint nothing at the top
Not grasping the concept of honor is literally one of the main traits of female mentality, gay
Are you also proud that you don't know how a fridge works?
Explain to me what you think "the concept of honor" is, retard. Explain how eating shit and getting virtually no reward for taking extreme risk while the captain and his officer buddies get all the credit - how is this honorable?
My interpretation: "Honor" was used as a psy-op, basically a fancy marketing term to get a bunch of gullible, naive, romantic imbeciles on board to do risk their lives for 0 gain to themselves. Very effective marketing gimmick, i must admit - judging from the retards in this thread, it still works to this day.
you still think you do this to impress other people, aren't you?
FIND THAT MAN AND SHOOT HIM
Blah blah blah you have to be 18 to use this site etc. etc. etc. Pretty decent troll, I rate it a good 8
>My interpretation
I'll stop you right there, Nancy. While women try to shape the world according to their subjective perception ("my truth", "my interpretation") there still is this thing called OBJECTIVE TRUTH. It doesn't matter how much you "feel" or "interpret" that 2+2=5, it can never be objective truth. And for the truth about the concept of honor we just have to look into actual sciences, behavioral biology and anthropology. Go dry your nails while you read this, you might just learn something today.
Mankind is still 99% driven by instincts, baser feelings. Hunger, sex drive, sense of danger, and so on. And for men, one of these instincts is a sense of honor.
Back in the stone age, males had to cooperate for the sake of the tribe. Hunting with no tools is not a one man job. They had to work towards the well-being of not just a certain group of people, but as tribes grew in size towards the well-being of an abstract concept of what would later become society. So males that showed a certain reliability towards working for the tribe as a whole were at an evolutionary advantage compared to the males who would only think about themselves, so bestowing them with communal resources was a safe investment. Even if they were not able to articulate it at the time, stone age males started to rely on inarticulate codes of conduct, like helping an injured other male back to camp and spending resources to try and patch him up. Males who would not show reliability towards the tribe would in turn not receive help from the other members when in need themselves.
This of course includes actual self-sacrificial behavior. Jumping between a strange kid and a lion endangers yourself, but the kid will live and guarantee one more member of the next tribe generation. Letting the kid die is a setback to the entire tribe, so humans evolved to perceive such an act as disgusting.
cont
What happens in a normal humans brain when feeling disgust? It stimulates the brain regions for the sense of cleanliness and anger. This is not up for debate. So as your miserable ancestors settled down and started to give this hole "agriculture" thing a try, the males already had a very strong sense of what is acceptable or unacceptable behavior towards the village. Even if it wasn't an action towards the village itself like assaulting a group of travelers, this would cause problems for your own village, so men still wouldn't do it just because they could. Instead they started to strive to being valuable assets to the village/society as a whole, and voila, the concept of honor as social currency was eventually written down and codified for future generations.
Now women on the other hand have a different brain structure in that regard. Women don't interact with each other based on cooperation, it's competition. Until very recently a female would permanently be pregnant and with at least two or three small children. The stone age females would huddle together for mutual protection, but in this group the female that had all eyes on her was the safest from harm. So women started to develop a sense and desire for attention. And unlike men, who evolved to develop a sense for community well-being, women had the much more baser role of protecting both their pregnant bellies and their own kids. In old times resources like food or shelter were a zero sum game for a bunch of pregnant females, so it was not evolutionary advantageous to be altruistic, quite the opposite. So simply put, men evolved to have a sense of being a contributing factor to society, whereas women evolved to be selfish attention whores.
cont
Sure, women can form mutually beneficial relationships and even actual friendships, but ever notice how women will shower the fat ugly neighbor with compliments, but slag off the fit pretty 20 year old two doors over? Because their stone age brains see the pretty girl in her prime as a threat for attention and therefore physical safety, whereas the hambeast isn't.
Everyone in the first world knows about Shackletons expeditions. Obviously not every detail, but how they tried to advance the human understanding of the world and help mankind forward. Women, who generally lack any sense of community welfare or drive to work towards a greater good BECAUSE THEY ARE PHYSIOLOGICALLY UNABLE TO (stray exceptions still apply obviously) simply cannot understand this. Just look at the recent "why are they blowing money into space" and "toxic masculinity space penis" bullshit when Bezos launched a rocket, which mainly is perpetrated by women and fags. These people simply cannot understand the concept. It's like trying to explain to them that men do in fact not need attention in the same way they need water or food, it's literally impossible for them to even entertain the thought, no matter how hard they try.
Your "interpretation" has zero meaning, go get a degree in actual sciences. Men smarter than you have already mapped all of this out.
>tldr go back
Solid post
Interesting.
Yeah i'm not reading this shit, professor crack addict. I'll give you some objective truth: If you're putting your ass on the line to go to the ends of the earth, you should at the very least demand adequate compensation. Not in some meme currency like "heckin honor", but REAL shit. Money, fame, wives, anything except "honor"
you aren't white, right?
white europeans understand why they did it.
Lol ok little bro. Seems to me like morons would understand why you would essentially be a slave and believe in massa's bullshit about it being "honorable" or whatever.
>slave
it's the opposite. you're stupid.
Being remembered means immortality
>and all those men
Name one.
literally who? nobody knows anybody today unless they look at internet and literally everybody is on internet
for average zoomer reading wiki page about Shackleton will be less relevant than browsing hottie's profile on social media and he will remember her name but not his
Even if your skin is white, your soul is unmistakably Blackid in nature.
>
Don't try to share some rationality to these future school shooters who are subbed every giga chad, sigma male youtube channel and twitter account. It's pointless.
Go back moron
>t. one sided 2IQ zoomer with no notion of perspective
back to tiktok gay
xd
Did any of the men involved get honor or only the captain and the financer? Like could you go up to a 1900s woman and say 'hey baby I sailed to the arctic' and would she care?
does it matter? honor is a concept women don't understand anyways.
>does it ma-
So no. HAHAHAHA
Even Shackleton didn't get too much honor, in fact since he missed the great war many people thought poorly of him.
The heroic age of arctic exploration was something else, Shackleton, Amudsen, Nansen were as based as men can be.
yes yes! sign in for an adventure! make me more rich my filthy slaves cause I'm one of the choosed ones!
poor anglogarden gnomes golems...
I would, but I'm not sure if they would let black people in for that adventure
I went to Ukraine for 6 months last year. Being IST helped
Too bad you didn't die out there.
Ernest Shackleton's the guy who went to Antarctica right?
Yeah. I highly recommend reading his logs, these guys became super-human down there.
>small wages
No.
Sounds fun, so fuck yeah.
Listened to a podcast yesterday about scott's venture to the south pole. They got beaten by a norwegian team by a month. Most of scott's team died and the majority had severe frostbite.
Fucking rough.
>hides out in the storage of some random ship docked in south america
>is discovered and interrogated by chad Ernest Shackleton
>doesnt back down, even makes a joke about eating shackleton during starving scenario
>becomes an integral part of the crew
>contributes heavily by hunting and securing many bounties of penguins
>loses a foot to frost bite and doesnt bitch a single time(the worst injury of the entire voyage btw)
>had an island named after him because of the voyage
>did it all before 18
>You always want me to give up something. What do you want me to give up now?
Ernest Shackletons final words as spoken to his doctor, who had advised him to take it easy.
Thats how a man dies.
One correction to this meme, even pressed sailors in the royal navy got decent rations two pounds salt beef or the equivalent, a pound of ships biscuit, and a full quart of rum a day.
No... I've read the book and I don't want modern man would come out alive.
Maybe some Russians.
The most polarizing pic on IST. Separates ESL and other low lifes and the chads.