Yeah I don’t doubt I can kill a wolf most of the time, but I’m needing medical care afterwards most of the time too. Probably quite a bit and it’s going to hurt.
10 times out of 10? Nah
9.9 times out of 10? Yeah
Wolves are fucking huge top predators. You might get lucky if you somehow get it's eyes or get it in a joint lock or something (wolf jiu jitsu?).
Humans are OP because we have big old brains and can make tools and when you take this relative ability into account and give the human a knife/spear/rock the odds get way more even
It's a wolf-dog hybrid being fed on a farm/shelter in New Jersey. https://howlingwoods.org/wolf-dog/
And it's one of their largest animals, look at the other photos/videos. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbjW0WqJ1F4
The black one, Samson is one of the largest ones they have. The other one is more normal sized.
>You might get lucky if you somehow get it's eyes or get it in a joint lock or something (wolf jiu jitsu?).
A human can easily hyperextend its legs like breaking a wishbone. Basically if it follows its instinct of biting and holding you down, you have free reign to grapple the shit out of it, crush its ribs, or jab its eyes. All fighting moves completely alien to it.
>Heh, go ahead and try it pup... As soon as you bite down, I'll unleash my secret technique and snap your legs like a- >AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH >OH GOD AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH
Exactly illustrating my point. Attack dogs are trained to bite and hold down targets, they can't kill them unless they get the neck. They're useless without a handler to follow up and detain the suspect.
I used to play with a really aggressive dog. He used to bite a lot, but not enough to rupture skin.
It's really easy to just stick your forearm into its mouth and then push/grapple/slam it however you want. And that's not even mentioning that you could just kick or punch it in the snout. In a life or death situation, you're losing an arm at most.
>Wolves have a bite force of 400lbs
Any many dogs have bite forces in excess of that. Granted they are bigger but there are plenty of them. Also it doesn’t change what that guy said and the leverage of how a mouth works. If you shove something in the back of its mouth it can’t clamp down >It would bite your arm in half lmao
Why do you people believe shit like this? It’s laughable and completely untrue
On average, European wolves weigh 38.5 kg (85 lb), North American wolves 36 kg (79 lb), and Indian and Arabian wolves 25 kg (55 lb).
There are vids of dudes breaking the spines of pitbulls bigger than that. Life and death fight, I'd get a few bites and scractes but nothing fatal.
Oh wow the guy who isn’t fighting back is really getting his ass kicked.
Even in your example you can see why a solo canine will struggle. Biting an arm hurts and can be very damaging but won’t kill you. Meanwhile the dog has its face and most vulnerable areas in striking range of the other arm, knees, and kicks. Plus you can grab it and control its neck, choke it, fall on it, rip the front leg out of its socket (way easier than it sounds, they can’t move laterally). Dogs aren’t solo fighters
>Humans are OP because we have big old brains and can make tools
This is exactly why "fight X animal barehanded" arguments are dumb and miss the point. We didn't break the rules or anything. If a wolf wants to fight me, I get to bring a RPG and blast its face off, or least toss stones at it. Then we've got the army. Wolves can hunt in packs but we can seek and destroy them without even introducing our aerial superiority and nuclear weapons because we're better at organizing and inventing.
Wolves, gorillas, sharks, and bears can all suck my human dick. There's a reason why our greatest enemy is our own.
That's my point, the wolf can have its pack.
And the human too. This actually is a long fight that took place in prehistory.
Talking about isolating one specimen of each in a mundane closed off box type of environment is not a good indication of evolutionary superiority because this would never happen in nature.
If you are talking about 1v1 cross species fighting in a sandbox, sure, average modern human is getting rekt. If anything though, the luxury that got us to this point of softness says a couple of things about our superiority over animals.
This is the fitness board, not IST. The context is whether you in particular are fit enough to beat a wolf unarmed, not which species is superior in fighting (human is of course the best on the planet).
is right. It's clearly possible if things go favorably for you, but almost every single time a wolf will fuck your shit. A wolf is not a dog. Wolves are enormous and strong as fuck. A weak, malnourished wolf will get it's teeth into your throat and you'll be done, no amount of grappling skill can reliably pin a wolf. Wolves are smart and fast. They will not let you get your arms around them. Even if you do, their main weapon in combat isn't even their teeth. They will headbutt the fuck out of you and rip you apart while you're too concussed to see. Everyone saying "b-but they're pack hunters, they're weak alone" is a fucking retard. They hunt like that because it's easy, that does NOT mean you will beat one in a fight. It means a lone wolf might decide not to engage, but if it does you're still fucked.
>They will headbutt the fuck out of you
show one video of a wolf using a headbutt. I've never heard of them doing this as an attack. >no amount of grappling skill can reliably pin a wolf
No one is saying pin it, just hyperextend its leg, it has far less ROM than a human or cat.
The most effective thing against a wolf would probably be to just grab the throat with your hands and hang on as hard you can. You could do that even if he gets you on the ground.
I think a wolf's mentality is going to be to nip at you and jump back and circle you though- wear you down, bleed you.. that's what would be the biggest problem because you won't be able to get ahold of him.
>I think a wolf's mentality is going to be to nip at you and jump back and circle you though- wear you down, bleed you.
Play possom then, to get it to engage and commit more.
>nip at you and jump back and circle you though- wear you down, bleed you.
Honestly this is a pretty shitty strategy. It works when they have a pack chasing down prey and they can latch on and chase it for miles. Any bite quick enough to not get grabbed or hit isn’t going to be strong enough to do much.
I disagree. A four legged animal like that- no matter if it was 150 lbs- is going to be far too agile for a person to grab ahold of easily. You ever see a dog (even a large dog) play with a poisonous snake?
And generally what I'm saying is that unless it is a show of pack dominance- a wolf is going to have a natural aversion to just out and out attacking something. And yes this makes more sense when in a pack obviously but lone wolves will do it too it's just the way they think
>is going to be far too agile for a person to grab ahold of easily.
I disagree. A dog/wolf backing up isn’t quicker than a punch or kick that’s moving. Regardless you’re missing my point. They aren’t fast enough to bite you, bite hard enough and deep enough to do damage AND back out without getting grabbed or hit. They are teeth, not knives. Grazing you causes scratches not cuts. Also just teeth puncturing causes relatively little damage. It’s the ripping and shaking that will fuck you up, which means they have to stay locked on and let’s you grab them. >You ever see a dog (even a large dog) play with a poisonous snake?
No I haven’t. Do you have a video? Unless it’s repeatedly dodging a snake bite I don’t see how that’s relevant. >And generally what I'm saying is that unless it is a show of pack dominance- a wolf is going to have a natural aversion to just out and out attacking something.
Well yeah. This is a dumb hypothetical but that’s why it’s fun to talk about. Wolves don’t attack people. You have to concede that for the premise or what’s the point of even commenting?
>no amount of grappling skill can reliably pin a wolf.
Skill isn’t really needed. It’s strength and weight which exceed a wolf. Even manlet weigh more and have better leverage. >Wolves are smart
Irrelevant. They are still dumber than the dumbest humans. Also they have zero experience fighting a person. A person at least has an understanding of how a wolf attacks >and fast
Valid, but it’s not like they can jab and move. The only way to do damage is latching on which opens them up to attack. >They will not let you get your arms around them.
They have no say in that >Even if you do, their main weapon in combat isn't even their teeth
Bull fucking shit and proves you are completely full of shit. How else do canines attack? >They will headbutt the fuck out of you
Lol. Lmao. Show me any dog or wolf head butting as an attack. Ever. Furthermore how do those logistics even work? It’s going to jump and launch itself at your head rather than bite? Great fucking plan. Head butting anywhere else is retarded because it will do more damage to itself than you. Human skulls are about 1/4” thick. Wolf skulls are no thicker. >and rip you apart while you're too concussed to see
See above.
I bet you think a gorilla can beat a grizzly too don’t you?
Most wolves are in the 20-40 kg range. Yes, the sanctuary ones like in your pic can go up to 100 kg but that's because they were bred by humans to be that big for show.
wolfs are dyel af, in the wild they are often malnourished and weak. All their strength lies in numbers. One wolf will never get close to you in the first place but a strong male can take it down in a fight
Without even knowing what kind of wolf we are talking about I will go ahead and say that 10/10 chance of loss is not true. I'd give a healthy human male who still has just a basic level of natural instinct left intact would be closer to 5/10 with a single wolf if they somehow found themselves in life or death combat.
>barehanded? >oh yeah Im no dyel >Ill put my hand in his mouth and and use my opposable thumbs and snap his massive legs and and grappl-ACK
its stupid, human cant kill something so massive barehanded reliably. those watered down tiny mutt breeds of stomp size are different but thats no wolf at this point.
I am a woman i think that's a fair fight. I think i could take an African warthog, they're a bit dangerous. I bet if i got past the initial charge and i just got in from behind i could get it over. I think about fighting random animals a lot ngl
>I am a woman
I was going to say I don’t believe you then you followed it up with retardation, so now I do. Only a woman would think they can’t take a 25lb coyote but can deal with a 200lb warthog with tusks. They range from 130-300lbs. Your arent killing that with your bare hands.
I could EASILY beat a female as a human with higher intelligence and higher than average strength. A smaller male would be doable but a large warthog would wreck men bigger than me
Yeah I was only using the male weights. Females are much easier but I wouldn’t say easy. Females have tusks too and don’t discount them. They can gore the shit out of you. I think they are more dangerous than wolves because of this and an unlucky swing can end you. A warthog could get your thigh and sever the artery where a wolf isn’t biting through your leg muscle to get to it.
Look for the boar video where it wrecks a shitbull and rips out its intestine. Someone has to have it saved. They are more dangerous than they look.
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I would like to see a boar tusk get through my African Savannah safety leather chaps
You will be dead if there are two or more but you could kill a single wolf by just chocking it with your arm, wolves insticits is to maul you, they are good at putting things in their mouths but have no realistic way to put things out of it, sacrifice one arm and put your fist as deep as you can in it's throat
When someone says wolf, most people and you think of a huskie, where you should be thinking of a timber wolf, which isnt cherry picking, its literally the common wolf of medium size, being smaller to gray wolves, dire wolves and the valley or plains wolves in canada. What you say you want to fight is a dog, not wolf.
A timber wolf is only like 10 lbs heavier than a husky on average. Yes, people like taking pictures of extreme specimens/trophies of wolves, but on average they never get larger than great danes/mastiffs.
As much as I’m not sure which to choose, you’re comparing a human’s 200 pounds to an animal’s 100. The amount of fast twitch muscle fibers they have in comparison is fucking insane. You’re also forgetting the level of coordination and image processing they have compared to us.
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>The amount of fast twitch muscle fibers they have in comparison is fucking insane.
Fast twitch is overrated for fighting. It's more useful for chasing and ambushing. >You’re also forgetting the level of coordination and image processing they have compared to us.
Huh? Dogs have worse coordination and vision than humans. Primates have exceptional range of motion, agility, and vision among mammals.
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I read more into the second part and you’re right. I am wrong.
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Holy shit. Someone actually looked into something, learned, and admitted there were wrong. Good on you for owning up. I never see that happen here
>trophy wolves >specifically killed because they are abnormally large specimens >this is representative of the average
If you do this for wolves than you have to pick heavyweight boxers/MMA fighter or NFL offensive/defensive lineman.
A wolf's instinct is to steal kills, run, and harass prey to exhaustion. I'll guarantee you the only time you will ever see footage of a wolf (that isn't literally rabid) actually square up and fight something is when it is some sort of pack dominance type thing against another wolf. Bet yeah if you were somehow in that scenario you'd probably want to try and choke it.
I feel like even if I was at my absolute plateau the only chance I would have is if I kicked it in the jaw while it pounced at me. Miss/get caught off guard and it's probably already over.
No, even a big dog could fuck me up bad before I kill it. I got put in the hospital by a dog bite to the face and got my lip reconstructed once already, I'd go out fighting though because fuck letting a canine tear you up I'd escalate things so it kills me faster.
Youre dying in 2 minutes tops. Youre not strong enough to 1 punch or 1 kick a wolf. Its leaping at you, latching on and then ripping off whatever its on. The moment you have a rabid 100+ weight dug into your arm, face or torso whipping around youre forgetting what your name is and screaming for mommy. This thread is over anyone who isnt trolling like usual in this thread is the biggest fucking retard moron alive.
Just because you have zero survival drive doesn’t mean everyone does. Countless people throughout the centuries have endured far worse injuries and continued to fight and live one. Random people get mauled by fucking BEARS and still manage to hike back out of the wood. People get shot and keep fighting. People get stabbed and keep fighting. People play sports with broken bones for fun. But yeah bro the first time it bites you you’ll just curl up and accept death.
This comment just shows how fucking retarded and unworldly you are. Bears arent ruthless apex predators looking to kill you no matter what. Most of the time bear attacks are territorial and you can survive by balling up and becoming a non threat. If a wolf attacks you its entire purpose is to rip out your jugular and kill you. >People have survived worse injuries
Youre not getting injured fuckwit youre getting killed. You getting brutally molested by a 120lb dog evolved over millions of years to KILL ISOLATED MAMMALS. Youve never felt real bodily injury like 4 10" rows of spikes driven into your arm, clamped and pulled on with hundreds of pounds of force.
>Bears arent ruthless apex predators looking to kill you no matter what.
Neither are wolves dumbass >If a wolf attacks you its entire purpose is to rip out your jugular and kill you.
You are incredibly incorrect >Youre not getting injured fuckwit youre getting killed.
No I would be killing it >You getting brutally molested by a 120lb dog evolved over millions of years to KILL ISOLATED MAMMALS.
In packs >Youve never felt real bodily injury like 4 10" rows of spikes driven into your arm, clamped and pulled on with hundreds of pounds of force.
No I haven’t but that’s irrelevant. Normal people have throughout history. That’s the point. Teeth aren’t spikes either.
Can a wolf do worse than this? >https://www.agweb.com/news/crops/crop-production/grizzly-hell-usda-worker-survives-epic-bear-attack > After enduring body slams and inordinate shaking, along with 30 bites across his back, sides and arms, Orr went partially blind, his eyes filling with blood from a deep 5” claw gash above his right ear that split open his scalp.
He was attacked twice, hiked 3 miles out, and then drove 45 minutes to the hospital.
Are you implying a wolf bite is worse than being shot? Being stabbed and slashed by knives, swords, spears, and aces? Answer that.
>You getting brutally molested by a 120lb dog evolved over millions of years to KILL ISOLATED MAMMALS
They're evolved to gank isolated mammals 3-5 on one. You'll be hard pressed to find a wolf taking down a grown buck by itself. Stop jerking off a mildly big dog, loser. It's not remotely as dangerous as a trained lean and muscular adult male.
Bad question. I'm an American. That means being superior to all you non-Americans. I'm always carrying a firearm for self-defense according to the 2nd amendment as the founders intended so I don't have to worry about killing a wolf barehanded. It just exercise my 2nd amendment rights and the wolf is dead.
The 2nd amendment is actually about defending your rights against politicians not defending your life from wolves or criminals. It's the founding fathers saying "never give the government your guns and if they try to fuck you over you have every right to blow holes into their heads" they would roll over in their graves if they knew that the meaning was being twisted so much nowadays. But yeah protect yourself from wolves too.
Wild animals are so much tougher and stronger than their domesticated counterparts. A wolf runs 30-40 miles a day and every tendon in its body is denser and tougher than any human muscle. They also fight each other for fun & kill huge animals all the time. For scale, you dont even reach a mooses shoulder with your head. Hell think about a chimp, it is much smaller than a regular human, and a quarter the size of a large bodybuilder, but can rip the arms off any world strongest man contestant. Those fuckers can curl hundreds of pounds with one arm.
>it is much smaller than a regular human, and a quarter the size of a large bodybuilder, but can rip the arms off any world strongest man contestant. Those fuckers can curl hundreds of pounds with one arm.
Dude, for the last time, they ran a study on chimp muscle fibers. They are only pound for pound 1.5 times as strong as average human muscle fibers. That's not even accounting for unusually high fast-twitch humans you would see as competitive sprinters/weightlifters/mma fighters. Musculature is mostly the same with some tradeoffs of speed/endurance. The only real disadvantage humans have is aggression (which can be trained or realized in a life/death scenario) and teeth/jaw.
>think about a chimp, it is much smaller than a regular human, and a quarter the size of a large bodybuilder, but can rip the arms off any world strongest man contestant.
No it can't
>They also fight each other for fun
Not to the death. It’s not different than people sparring. They aren’t trying to injure each other. >kill huge animals all the time
With a PACK OF WOLVES. Not solo >For scale, you dont even reach a mooses shoulder with your head.
Why is this relevant? Wolves only go after something that big when there are a bunch of them and it’s old, sick, etc. And usually when it’s mobility is compromised by snow or something. >Hell think about a chimp, it is much smaller than a regular human, and a quarter the size of a large bodybuilder, but can rip the arms off any world strongest man contestant
Not this bullshit again. You’re posting on a device that can access nearly all the information in the world and we still end up with this. Amazing. First off, how much force does it take to rip off a man arm? Drawing and quartering was done by a team of horses and didn’t always work. Horses are far stronger than chimps. Secondly, they are only 1.5x stronger than the average man pound for pound. I’m more 1.5x times stronger than the average man. Humans also weigh more so that 1.5x advantage can go away really quickly >Those fuckers can curl hundreds of pounds with one arm.
Really? Show me one chimp ever doing that.
bare handed vs a wolf? Chances are slim of coming out of that on top. I've been around Gray wolves and they're not just a dog, they're like twice the size of a large dog.
And that still puts them at around 100lbs. Their method of attack put their most vulnerable areas within striking distance. Canines are pack and persistence hunters. They aren’t solo fighters. They aren’t ambush predators. They aren’t made for 1 on 1 combat.
>European wolves weigh 38.5 kg (85 lb), North American wolves 36 kg (79 lb), and Indian and Arabian wolves 25 kg (55 lb).[44] Females in any given wolf population typically weigh 2.3–4.5 kg (5–10 lb) less than males.
The average wolf weights less than a 12 year old, the massive ones you've seen pictures of are extreme outliers and their huge coat of fur makes them look way bigger than they are. If you want a match versus the 0.01% largest wolves then it would only be fair to pit them against the top 0.01 largest humans as well.
Probably if it's lighter weight than me and I can manhandle it. Probably not if it's a giga-wolf that weighs more than me.
They're right, lifting weights isnt going to stop you from being mauled to death
You're a fool
Canines are pack hunters. A single wolf is gonna have a hard time because it only has one weapon, whereas humans have 9.
fists, elbows, feet, knees, dick?
Head/Jaw.
Weak gay
Yes. Canines are poor solitary fighters. Reminder that beating/killing it doesn’t mean you come out unscathed
The question was specifically killing it, and I know I would end up in hospital after
Yeah I don’t doubt I can kill a wolf most of the time, but I’m needing medical care afterwards most of the time too. Probably quite a bit and it’s going to hurt.
10 times out of 10? Nah
9.9 times out of 10? Yeah
Wolves are fucking huge top predators. You might get lucky if you somehow get it's eyes or get it in a joint lock or something (wolf jiu jitsu?).
Humans are OP because we have big old brains and can make tools and when you take this relative ability into account and give the human a knife/spear/rock the odds get way more even
>Wolves are fucking huge
They are on average much smaller than the one in your pic, and smaller than the average male adult.
Flat out not true, that is a stock standard wolf in that photo.
It's a wolf-dog hybrid being fed on a farm/shelter in New Jersey. https://howlingwoods.org/wolf-dog/
And it's one of their largest animals, look at the other photos/videos. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbjW0WqJ1F4
The black one, Samson is one of the largest ones they have. The other one is more normal sized.
I could take a dog that size more likely than not.
Kicked a shitbull to K.O when it attacked me.
>You might get lucky if you somehow get it's eyes or get it in a joint lock or something (wolf jiu jitsu?).
A human can easily hyperextend its legs like breaking a wishbone. Basically if it follows its instinct of biting and holding you down, you have free reign to grapple the shit out of it, crush its ribs, or jab its eyes. All fighting moves completely alien to it.
>Heh, go ahead and try it pup... As soon as you bite down, I'll unleash my secret technique and snap your legs like a-
>AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH
>OH GOD AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH
Exactly illustrating my point. Attack dogs are trained to bite and hold down targets, they can't kill them unless they get the neck. They're useless without a handler to follow up and detain the suspect.
I used to play with a really aggressive dog. He used to bite a lot, but not enough to rupture skin.
It's really easy to just stick your forearm into its mouth and then push/grapple/slam it however you want. And that's not even mentioning that you could just kick or punch it in the snout. In a life or death situation, you're losing an arm at most.
A wolf isnt a dog. Wolves have a bite force of 400lbs, It would bite your arm in half lmao
>Wolves have a bite force of 400lbs
Any many dogs have bite forces in excess of that. Granted they are bigger but there are plenty of them. Also it doesn’t change what that guy said and the leverage of how a mouth works. If you shove something in the back of its mouth it can’t clamp down
>It would bite your arm in half lmao
Why do you people believe shit like this? It’s laughable and completely untrue
On average, European wolves weigh 38.5 kg (85 lb), North American wolves 36 kg (79 lb), and Indian and Arabian wolves 25 kg (55 lb).
There are vids of dudes breaking the spines of pitbulls bigger than that. Life and death fight, I'd get a few bites and scractes but nothing fatal.
Oh wow the guy who isn’t fighting back is really getting his ass kicked.
Even in your example you can see why a solo canine will struggle. Biting an arm hurts and can be very damaging but won’t kill you. Meanwhile the dog has its face and most vulnerable areas in striking range of the other arm, knees, and kicks. Plus you can grab it and control its neck, choke it, fall on it, rip the front leg out of its socket (way easier than it sounds, they can’t move laterally). Dogs aren’t solo fighters
>Humans are OP because we have big old brains and can make tools
This is exactly why "fight X animal barehanded" arguments are dumb and miss the point. We didn't break the rules or anything. If a wolf wants to fight me, I get to bring a RPG and blast its face off, or least toss stones at it. Then we've got the army. Wolves can hunt in packs but we can seek and destroy them without even introducing our aerial superiority and nuclear weapons because we're better at organizing and inventing.
Wolves, gorillas, sharks, and bears can all suck my human dick. There's a reason why our greatest enemy is our own.
The wolf is fighting without its pack. The human still has the advantage of any fighting/anatomy knowledge they have.
That's my point, the wolf can have its pack.
And the human too. This actually is a long fight that took place in prehistory.
Talking about isolating one specimen of each in a mundane closed off box type of environment is not a good indication of evolutionary superiority because this would never happen in nature.
If you are talking about 1v1 cross species fighting in a sandbox, sure, average modern human is getting rekt. If anything though, the luxury that got us to this point of softness says a couple of things about our superiority over animals.
This is the fitness board, not IST. The context is whether you in particular are fit enough to beat a wolf unarmed, not which species is superior in fighting (human is of course the best on the planet).
People love the dellusion of a fair fight as a coping mechanism.
is right. It's clearly possible if things go favorably for you, but almost every single time a wolf will fuck your shit. A wolf is not a dog. Wolves are enormous and strong as fuck. A weak, malnourished wolf will get it's teeth into your throat and you'll be done, no amount of grappling skill can reliably pin a wolf. Wolves are smart and fast. They will not let you get your arms around them. Even if you do, their main weapon in combat isn't even their teeth. They will headbutt the fuck out of you and rip you apart while you're too concussed to see. Everyone saying "b-but they're pack hunters, they're weak alone" is a fucking retard. They hunt like that because it's easy, that does NOT mean you will beat one in a fight. It means a lone wolf might decide not to engage, but if it does you're still fucked.
>They will headbutt the fuck out of you
show one video of a wolf using a headbutt. I've never heard of them doing this as an attack.
>no amount of grappling skill can reliably pin a wolf
No one is saying pin it, just hyperextend its leg, it has far less ROM than a human or cat.
The most effective thing against a wolf would probably be to just grab the throat with your hands and hang on as hard you can. You could do that even if he gets you on the ground.
I think a wolf's mentality is going to be to nip at you and jump back and circle you though- wear you down, bleed you.. that's what would be the biggest problem because you won't be able to get ahold of him.
>I think a wolf's mentality is going to be to nip at you and jump back and circle you though- wear you down, bleed you.
Play possom then, to get it to engage and commit more.
>nip at you and jump back and circle you though- wear you down, bleed you.
Honestly this is a pretty shitty strategy. It works when they have a pack chasing down prey and they can latch on and chase it for miles. Any bite quick enough to not get grabbed or hit isn’t going to be strong enough to do much.
Death by 1000 cuts isn’t viable here.
I disagree. A four legged animal like that- no matter if it was 150 lbs- is going to be far too agile for a person to grab ahold of easily. You ever see a dog (even a large dog) play with a poisonous snake?
And generally what I'm saying is that unless it is a show of pack dominance- a wolf is going to have a natural aversion to just out and out attacking something. And yes this makes more sense when in a pack obviously but lone wolves will do it too it's just the way they think
>is going to be far too agile for a person to grab ahold of easily.
I disagree. A dog/wolf backing up isn’t quicker than a punch or kick that’s moving. Regardless you’re missing my point. They aren’t fast enough to bite you, bite hard enough and deep enough to do damage AND back out without getting grabbed or hit. They are teeth, not knives. Grazing you causes scratches not cuts. Also just teeth puncturing causes relatively little damage. It’s the ripping and shaking that will fuck you up, which means they have to stay locked on and let’s you grab them.
>You ever see a dog (even a large dog) play with a poisonous snake?
No I haven’t. Do you have a video? Unless it’s repeatedly dodging a snake bite I don’t see how that’s relevant.
>And generally what I'm saying is that unless it is a show of pack dominance- a wolf is going to have a natural aversion to just out and out attacking something.
Well yeah. This is a dumb hypothetical but that’s why it’s fun to talk about. Wolves don’t attack people. You have to concede that for the premise or what’s the point of even commenting?
>no amount of grappling skill can reliably pin a wolf.
Skill isn’t really needed. It’s strength and weight which exceed a wolf. Even manlet weigh more and have better leverage.
>Wolves are smart
Irrelevant. They are still dumber than the dumbest humans. Also they have zero experience fighting a person. A person at least has an understanding of how a wolf attacks
>and fast
Valid, but it’s not like they can jab and move. The only way to do damage is latching on which opens them up to attack.
>They will not let you get your arms around them.
They have no say in that
>Even if you do, their main weapon in combat isn't even their teeth
Bull fucking shit and proves you are completely full of shit. How else do canines attack?
>They will headbutt the fuck out of you
Lol. Lmao. Show me any dog or wolf head butting as an attack. Ever. Furthermore how do those logistics even work? It’s going to jump and launch itself at your head rather than bite? Great fucking plan. Head butting anywhere else is retarded because it will do more damage to itself than you. Human skulls are about 1/4” thick. Wolf skulls are no thicker.
>and rip you apart while you're too concussed to see
See above.
I bet you think a gorilla can beat a grizzly too don’t you?
Most wolves are in the 20-40 kg range. Yes, the sanctuary ones like in your pic can go up to 100 kg but that's because they were bred by humans to be that big for show.
>doing ANYTHING bare handed
I ain't no fucking ape
>hurr durr can u beat a wolf
idk ask the zillions of extinct species about our killing efficacy
I could kill any animal.all you need is a good rock like God intended
I'm 6'3, 255lbs. Bearded, grip strength like a fucking bear. Muay Thai guy as well. Oh yeah, and when I get mad, I see fucking red.
I'm taking me over the wolf, any day of the week
Top me.
You sound like a gay.
I'm 4-0 in street fights and deadlift 460lbs for reps. I've gone rounds with golden gloves guys. I've knocked out bouncers.
Say that shit to my face.
wolfs are dyel af, in the wild they are often malnourished and weak. All their strength lies in numbers. One wolf will never get close to you in the first place but a strong male can take it down in a fight
Without even knowing what kind of wolf we are talking about I will go ahead and say that 10/10 chance of loss is not true. I'd give a healthy human male who still has just a basic level of natural instinct left intact would be closer to 5/10 with a single wolf if they somehow found themselves in life or death combat.
Offer up your non-dominant arm and then jab it's eyes out with your other
>barehanded?
>oh yeah Im no dyel
>Ill put my hand in his mouth and and use my opposable thumbs and snap his massive legs and and grappl-ACK
its stupid, human cant kill something so massive barehanded reliably. those watered down tiny mutt breeds of stomp size are different but thats no wolf at this point.
wolf can't guard and have zero technique, their instinct is useless in the face to my superior intellect
>climb tree
>dropkick wolf
>win
Nah but i think i could take a coyote
moron coyotes average 20-25lbs. They are fucking tiny. If you can’t take a coyote you should honestly have a nice day
I am a woman i think that's a fair fight. I think i could take an African warthog, they're a bit dangerous. I bet if i got past the initial charge and i just got in from behind i could get it over. I think about fighting random animals a lot ngl
>I am a woman
I was going to say I don’t believe you then you followed it up with retardation, so now I do. Only a woman would think they can’t take a 25lb coyote but can deal with a 200lb warthog with tusks. They range from 130-300lbs. Your arent killing that with your bare hands.
I don't think i could kill it, but take it in a fight. I only have to last long enough to be enough of an issue it runs away. I'm taking an encounter.
I could EASILY beat a female as a human with higher intelligence and higher than average strength. A smaller male would be doable but a large warthog would wreck men bigger than me
Yeah I was only using the male weights. Females are much easier but I wouldn’t say easy. Females have tusks too and don’t discount them. They can gore the shit out of you. I think they are more dangerous than wolves because of this and an unlucky swing can end you. A warthog could get your thigh and sever the artery where a wolf isn’t biting through your leg muscle to get to it.
Look for the boar video where it wrecks a shitbull and rips out its intestine. Someone has to have it saved. They are more dangerous than they look.
I would like to see a boar tusk get through my African Savannah safety leather chaps
You will be dead if there are two or more but you could kill a single wolf by just chocking it with your arm, wolves insticits is to maul you, they are good at putting things in their mouths but have no realistic way to put things out of it, sacrifice one arm and put your fist as deep as you can in it's throat
bruh you give an arm to a wolf and its going to rip it out of its socket lmao it has a head and neck nearly as large as your torso
Again, if you're gonna cherrypick the largest wolves, at least cherrypick the largest most dangerous humans. I'd much rather fight the wolf.
When someone says wolf, most people and you think of a huskie, where you should be thinking of a timber wolf, which isnt cherry picking, its literally the common wolf of medium size, being smaller to gray wolves, dire wolves and the valley or plains wolves in canada. What you say you want to fight is a dog, not wolf.
A timber wolf is only like 10 lbs heavier than a husky on average. Yes, people like taking pictures of extreme specimens/trophies of wolves, but on average they never get larger than great danes/mastiffs.
Grey wolves, also known as timber wolves, average 100lbs. I would 100% stand a better chance against that than Bas Rutten.
As much as I’m not sure which to choose, you’re comparing a human’s 200 pounds to an animal’s 100. The amount of fast twitch muscle fibers they have in comparison is fucking insane. You’re also forgetting the level of coordination and image processing they have compared to us.
>The amount of fast twitch muscle fibers they have in comparison is fucking insane.
Fast twitch is overrated for fighting. It's more useful for chasing and ambushing.
>You’re also forgetting the level of coordination and image processing they have compared to us.
Huh? Dogs have worse coordination and vision than humans. Primates have exceptional range of motion, agility, and vision among mammals.
I read more into the second part and you’re right. I am wrong.
Holy shit. Someone actually looked into something, learned, and admitted there were wrong. Good on you for owning up. I never see that happen here
>trophy wolves
>specifically killed because they are abnormally large specimens
>this is representative of the average
If you do this for wolves than you have to pick heavyweight boxers/MMA fighter or NFL offensive/defensive lineman.
A wolf's instinct is to steal kills, run, and harass prey to exhaustion. I'll guarantee you the only time you will ever see footage of a wolf (that isn't literally rabid) actually square up and fight something is when it is some sort of pack dominance type thing against another wolf. Bet yeah if you were somehow in that scenario you'd probably want to try and choke it.
Yeah solo is very winnable, with injury, for an in shape man. Two or more you’re screwed without some weapon or barrier.
I feel like even if I was at my absolute plateau the only chance I would have is if I kicked it in the jaw while it pounced at me. Miss/get caught off guard and it's probably already over.
If you're a 200 lb man You should be able to take a hundred pound wolf. And most wolves aren't that big.
Mass: 30 – 80 kg (Male, Adult), 23 – 55 kg (Female, Adult)
maybe one on the smaller side?
No, even a big dog could fuck me up bad before I kill it. I got put in the hospital by a dog bite to the face and got my lip reconstructed once already, I'd go out fighting though because fuck letting a canine tear you up I'd escalate things so it kills me faster.
I don't want to kill a wolf, though. Wolves are cool.
Besides, there aren't any wolves in my country.
Youre dying in 2 minutes tops. Youre not strong enough to 1 punch or 1 kick a wolf. Its leaping at you, latching on and then ripping off whatever its on. The moment you have a rabid 100+ weight dug into your arm, face or torso whipping around youre forgetting what your name is and screaming for mommy. This thread is over anyone who isnt trolling like usual in this thread is the biggest fucking retard moron alive.
Just because you have zero survival drive doesn’t mean everyone does. Countless people throughout the centuries have endured far worse injuries and continued to fight and live one. Random people get mauled by fucking BEARS and still manage to hike back out of the wood. People get shot and keep fighting. People get stabbed and keep fighting. People play sports with broken bones for fun. But yeah bro the first time it bites you you’ll just curl up and accept death.
This comment just shows how fucking retarded and unworldly you are. Bears arent ruthless apex predators looking to kill you no matter what. Most of the time bear attacks are territorial and you can survive by balling up and becoming a non threat. If a wolf attacks you its entire purpose is to rip out your jugular and kill you.
>People have survived worse injuries
Youre not getting injured fuckwit youre getting killed. You getting brutally molested by a 120lb dog evolved over millions of years to KILL ISOLATED MAMMALS. Youve never felt real bodily injury like 4 10" rows of spikes driven into your arm, clamped and pulled on with hundreds of pounds of force.
>Bears arent ruthless apex predators looking to kill you no matter what.
Neither are wolves dumbass
>If a wolf attacks you its entire purpose is to rip out your jugular and kill you.
You are incredibly incorrect
>Youre not getting injured fuckwit youre getting killed.
No I would be killing it
>You getting brutally molested by a 120lb dog evolved over millions of years to KILL ISOLATED MAMMALS.
In packs
>Youve never felt real bodily injury like 4 10" rows of spikes driven into your arm, clamped and pulled on with hundreds of pounds of force.
No I haven’t but that’s irrelevant. Normal people have throughout history. That’s the point. Teeth aren’t spikes either.
Can a wolf do worse than this?
>https://www.agweb.com/news/crops/crop-production/grizzly-hell-usda-worker-survives-epic-bear-attack
> After enduring body slams and inordinate shaking, along with 30 bites across his back, sides and arms, Orr went partially blind, his eyes filling with blood from a deep 5” claw gash above his right ear that split open his scalp.
He was attacked twice, hiked 3 miles out, and then drove 45 minutes to the hospital.
Are you implying a wolf bite is worse than being shot? Being stabbed and slashed by knives, swords, spears, and aces? Answer that.
>You getting brutally molested by a 120lb dog evolved over millions of years to KILL ISOLATED MAMMALS
They're evolved to gank isolated mammals 3-5 on one. You'll be hard pressed to find a wolf taking down a grown buck by itself. Stop jerking off a mildly big dog, loser. It's not remotely as dangerous as a trained lean and muscular adult male.
Bad question. I'm an American. That means being superior to all you non-Americans. I'm always carrying a firearm for self-defense according to the 2nd amendment as the founders intended so I don't have to worry about killing a wolf barehanded. It just exercise my 2nd amendment rights and the wolf is dead.
The 2nd amendment is actually about defending your rights against politicians not defending your life from wolves or criminals. It's the founding fathers saying "never give the government your guns and if they try to fuck you over you have every right to blow holes into their heads" they would roll over in their graves if they knew that the meaning was being twisted so much nowadays. But yeah protect yourself from wolves too.
Easily, just push your arm deep in his throat.
Wild animals are so much tougher and stronger than their domesticated counterparts. A wolf runs 30-40 miles a day and every tendon in its body is denser and tougher than any human muscle. They also fight each other for fun & kill huge animals all the time. For scale, you dont even reach a mooses shoulder with your head. Hell think about a chimp, it is much smaller than a regular human, and a quarter the size of a large bodybuilder, but can rip the arms off any world strongest man contestant. Those fuckers can curl hundreds of pounds with one arm.
>it is much smaller than a regular human, and a quarter the size of a large bodybuilder, but can rip the arms off any world strongest man contestant. Those fuckers can curl hundreds of pounds with one arm.
Dude, for the last time, they ran a study on chimp muscle fibers. They are only pound for pound 1.5 times as strong as average human muscle fibers. That's not even accounting for unusually high fast-twitch humans you would see as competitive sprinters/weightlifters/mma fighters. Musculature is mostly the same with some tradeoffs of speed/endurance. The only real disadvantage humans have is aggression (which can be trained or realized in a life/death scenario) and teeth/jaw.
>think about a chimp, it is much smaller than a regular human, and a quarter the size of a large bodybuilder, but can rip the arms off any world strongest man contestant.
No it can't
>They also fight each other for fun
Not to the death. It’s not different than people sparring. They aren’t trying to injure each other.
>kill huge animals all the time
With a PACK OF WOLVES. Not solo
>For scale, you dont even reach a mooses shoulder with your head.
Why is this relevant? Wolves only go after something that big when there are a bunch of them and it’s old, sick, etc. And usually when it’s mobility is compromised by snow or something.
>Hell think about a chimp, it is much smaller than a regular human, and a quarter the size of a large bodybuilder, but can rip the arms off any world strongest man contestant
Not this bullshit again. You’re posting on a device that can access nearly all the information in the world and we still end up with this. Amazing. First off, how much force does it take to rip off a man arm? Drawing and quartering was done by a team of horses and didn’t always work. Horses are far stronger than chimps. Secondly, they are only 1.5x stronger than the average man pound for pound. I’m more 1.5x times stronger than the average man. Humans also weigh more so that 1.5x advantage can go away really quickly
>Those fuckers can curl hundreds of pounds with one arm.
Really? Show me one chimp ever doing that.
I would fight it, but I would let it live.
ITT: people who get mogged by a dogo
bare handed vs a wolf? Chances are slim of coming out of that on top. I've been around Gray wolves and they're not just a dog, they're like twice the size of a large dog.
And that still puts them at around 100lbs. Their method of attack put their most vulnerable areas within striking distance. Canines are pack and persistence hunters. They aren’t solo fighters. They aren’t ambush predators. They aren’t made for 1 on 1 combat.
>European wolves weigh 38.5 kg (85 lb), North American wolves 36 kg (79 lb), and Indian and Arabian wolves 25 kg (55 lb).[44] Females in any given wolf population typically weigh 2.3–4.5 kg (5–10 lb) less than males.
The average wolf weights less than a 12 year old, the massive ones you've seen pictures of are extreme outliers and their huge coat of fur makes them look way bigger than they are. If you want a match versus the 0.01% largest wolves then it would only be fair to pit them against the top 0.01 largest humans as well.
Bas Rutten, Mike Tyson, and Brock Lesnar would all fuck up even a 150lbs wolf.