ATG

Is there anything this movement doesn't do? Even fricking calves are sore. Seriously God tier. Can't go back to Rippetoe after this

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I only do quarter squats.
    For calves I carry weights up a hill.
    Not sure what the point of ATG is, other than a feel good stretch movement.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Not sure what the point of ATG is, other than a feel good stretch movement.
      To improve lower body strength? If your mobility is right it destroys everything not just whatever quarter squats are destroying for you. Completely different experience.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Full range of motion trains the tendons thus improving distribution of weight and performance under load.

      I think.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Full range of motion
        even quad isn't "full range" because one head goes past pelvis - it's not full range in anything

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        [...]
        And prevention of injury. Keep in mind I know very little about this shit tho

        Deep squats can result in jumpers knee so not a fail safe method (no method is)

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >not a fail safe method (no method is)
          learn and understand what u're doing, whenever there are nebulous terms thrown around like "full range" or "volume" u throw everything that is said with it out the window

          big weight in big compound - stop right fricking there - why? why like this, what is it that u're trying to do in the first place? what are the principles of building muscle
          >lift big to get big
          nope, u load the muscle in question long and hard enough to make it grow, squats don't do that

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            95% of the time I am a technique guy, burning reps rarely maximal. But not not really by choice, I’d rather just lift big and fast like buff Harry Potter

            The point of ATG's stuff is to train those tendons so you don't have those issues. They obviously don't recommend you load up your max and suddenly go deeper.

            You just gotta train the tendons up, like anything else

            I’m just saying jumpers knee is rare outside of athletic youth, unless you squat into deep ranges where it becomes possible again. While I’m pro deep squat it technically compresses the tendon.

            Isometrics are really good at stimulating the tendon to grow, and then the deep squat still works amazingly as quad movement that keeps things “balanced” (everything strong as can be)

            It’s just not always obvious to people looking at this stuff not to go heavy or that it’s not a “magic bullet”, just look at all the socials pushing bulletproofing, very dumb I’m sure you’ll agree

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The point of ATG's stuff is to train those tendons so you don't have those issues. They obviously don't recommend you load up your max and suddenly go deeper.

          You just gotta train the tendons up, like anything else

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yep this. Knee injuries happen due to cheating the full ROM and then slightly testing that limit. If you do any intense physical activity outside of lifting, it's essential to have that full ROM

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          A slightly incorrect atg squat is a small injury but an incorrect low bar squat is a catastrophic injury since a low bar is "how to squat wrong without hurting yourself". Low bar injuries are life long

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      you don't squat

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Full range of motion trains the tendons thus improving distribution of weight and performance under load.

      I think.

      And prevention of injury. Keep in mind I know very little about this shit tho

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Not sure what the point of ATG is
      It's practical. Any realistic squat motion is likely ATG or close to ATG. Try picking up an unconscious fatass on the floor into fireman's carry, good luck with your quarter shit. Full range of motion can be useful, so it should be trained. Why purposefully limit what your body can do?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >It's practical. Any realistic squat motion is likely ATG or close to ATG. Try picking up an unconscious fatass on the floor into fireman's carry, good luck with your quarter shit. Full range of motion can be useful, so it should be trained.
        >Why purposefully limit what your body can do?
        because regular squatting is already dumb enough with fully standing up every rep - why lose tension on muscle every rep? don't u want to build the muscle? if u do u're trying to elongate time under tension on said muscle to 40 seconds or so
        >but my working sets last over minute already, i'm achieving time under tension regardless
        no u're not, that's just many singles u've done because u're an moron that doesn't know what he's doing

        atg just compounds the lunacy, now instead of losing tension every "rep" u're losing tension twice during every rep because u necessarily relax at the atg bottom

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Based.
          ATG can only be done safely if you have good ankle mobility and good low back flexibility, plus the good tibia-femur-torso ratio. If I go lower than parallel, my low back rounds instantly, and not because of the technique sunce this happens to me even in the leg press. This must depend on the lifter
          On top of that, if you ATG you may fall into the mistake of bouncing at the bottom and taking advantage on the momentum of the tendon-muscle stretch reflex to propel the weight up. This literally destroys your knees.
          There was a paper where quarter squatting, squatting to parallell and atg squatting were compared in the context of hypertrophy with the same weight and the results where that basically the same with the same weight.
          >Verification not required

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >If I go lower than parallel, my low back rounds instantly
            that's because of femur placement in pelvis and not straight back - those are connected, legs won't be where they need to if ur thoracic spine is in flexion and that's why u can't sit pelvis between knees like chink weightlifters
            >my back is straight
            it isn't https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLOryGxlssI

            do overhead squat with broomstick u'll understand instantly - otherwise u will fall on ur face, push bottom of chest forward is the most useful que for me

            once i found where is my thoracic extension, after few weeks of doing broomstick (discomfort in upper abs at first - this thing was never stretched, ever and i have masters in this field) i had to lower sit in my car twice - everything was suddenly too low, it's basically free inch in height u always had but never used

            to bolster that argument - chink weightlifters are renowned for their impeccable back angle, they all have awesome squats sitting pelvis between legs, no buttwink

            u push ur ass back because u have to balance the bar - it's too far forward because your thoracic spine isn't straight

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            ATG or nothing, it's really that good

            Just elevate your heels more, or work on ankle dorsiflexion and use more hip external rotation/abduction to simulate shorter femurs. The former is probably the best option though since it'll bias your quads more

            >If I go lower than parallel, my low back rounds instantly
            that's because of femur placement in pelvis and not straight back - those are connected, legs won't be where they need to if ur thoracic spine is in flexion and that's why u can't sit pelvis between knees like chink weightlifters
            >my back is straight
            it isn't https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLOryGxlssI

            do overhead squat with broomstick u'll understand instantly - otherwise u will fall on ur face, push bottom of chest forward is the most useful que for me

            once i found where is my thoracic extension, after few weeks of doing broomstick (discomfort in upper abs at first - this thing was never stretched, ever and i have masters in this field) i had to lower sit in my car twice - everything was suddenly too low, it's basically free inch in height u always had but never used

            to bolster that argument - chink weightlifters are renowned for their impeccable back angle, they all have awesome squats sitting pelvis between legs, no buttwink

            u push ur ass back because u have to balance the bar - it's too far forward because your thoracic spine isn't straight

            >>my back is straight
            >it isn't
            I can squat ATG with my back in lumbar hyperextension, just get good
            Also cross-bench pullovers unlock your thoracic, easier to do those instead. Front squats or rows with thoracic flexion/extension will strengthen those muscles very well too

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >other than a feel good stretch movement
      LOL. Nice one.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Post body

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Calves you should do a seated calf raise with a weight you can go slow with, no bounce, pausing at the fully stretched position, do for 15-20 reps. In between sets you find something to stand on where you can put your full bodyweight into stretching your calves. This will blow up your calves and cause massive DOMS. Ankle mobilitylets might be screwed though. You will never have calves if you have shit ankles.

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Even fricking calves are sore
    nope 😀 lies
    >Is there anything this movement doesn't do?
    it won't straighten ur thoracic spine, overhead will do it though, overhead and flat footed

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      aha, he blew up both his knees though - that's kinda dumb:

      >It's practical. Any realistic squat motion is likely ATG or close to ATG. Try picking up an unconscious fatass on the floor into fireman's carry, good luck with your quarter shit. Full range of motion can be useful, so it should be trained.
      >Why purposefully limit what your body can do?
      because regular squatting is already dumb enough with fully standing up every rep - why lose tension on muscle every rep? don't u want to build the muscle? if u do u're trying to elongate time under tension on said muscle to 40 seconds or so
      >but my working sets last over minute already, i'm achieving time under tension regardless
      no u're not, that's just many singles u've done because u're an moron that doesn't know what he's doing

      atg just compounds the lunacy, now instead of losing tension every "rep" u're losing tension twice during every rep because u necessarily relax at the atg bottom

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >he blew up both knees squatting more than 99.999999999% of the planet
        He also is on roids and pushed his body past the point of human limits. He can still squat those weights he just learned to go slower and be more controlled.

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How much weight can you squat?

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >losing tension is all that matters
    You are a giant moron it’s plain as day to anyone who has ever stepped in a gym

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