>balding men are willing to pay 30k on average to have their hair back
And yet no fricking scientific found a cure. It's not fair, bros https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/ecin.12779
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buy a wig
That is not a cure
yes it is lol
thanks Mozart
>T. still has hair
Can't wait until it hits you.
My grandpa died with a full head of hair and so will I.
have sex
he can't, he's bald
Finasteride.
lmao
>just castrate yourself bro
I'm on fin + dut + min + dermarolling and still make gains.
I literally got a stronger weighted dip than Bugenhagen's best lmao
>fin + dut
good God do you have any DHT left?
Don't know, but I plan on ditching the dut because it doesn't do jack shit for me.
Got memed into it by reddit declaring it "fin but on steroids".
Depends on individual response I guess.
Makes me wonder, though, how different mechanisms regarding balding are from one person to another.
That's rare
Enjoy that cope, been on topical fin for a year, no sides, have my hair
Yeah I wish more research and funding went into looking for a cure but we have to work with what we got. Finasteride and Minoxidil work wonders but you gotta catch hairloss early and you can't be in denial about it.
brutal
balding is a death sentence
this
God damn
i remember being a kid, watching infomercials talking about cures of bladness. 20 years later still no cure.
WTF bros.
Haha! BALD!
Imagine going BALD before 40! Some of you are going to be BALD before you even hit 30 LOL
Just look at what losing your hair did to Conner. Enjoy forever being mogged by manlets and DYELS while you pretend not to let it bother you lmao
Stop being a coomer, it seems to be working for me.
Why cure it when you can make tons of money selling implants, rogaine and pills?
Just shave it all off and grow a beard, coward
Shave it and roid dumb b***hes
imagine being a loser like you.
Just buzz or shave it unless you are still single then you're fricked. In the tinder age most single women won't take a second look at bald men when they can just swipe to one with full hair. You can jump on a dht hormone blocker like a troony or just become an actual troony and jump on hrt. Both will make your dick and cum stop working properly.
>You can jump on a dht hormone blocker like a troony or just become an actual troony and jump on hrt
I did both. hope it works otherwise I'm killing myself at a gun range.
You're gonna make it anon but pls tell me you are a actual mtf or femboy trying to become more fem and not a person who took hrt only for hair loss...
finasteride is literally HRT
they prescribe it to trannies lmao
I know lol but troons take even more blockers plus estrogen so they should see better results.
cut hrt into 1/4 with minox so you pay less. Did it for few months. Had some regrow. Ran out of money and stopped. Taking too long and had weird feelings. Did not grow breasts. Also what about this miRNA therapy?
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/07/200727145808.htm maybe future therapy is pleasing. Cant find to newer study anymore. Pic unrelated
These tree faces
Thanks for reminding me of my childhood nightmares
I remember seeing one of these as a kid and it scared the frick out of me for years
I'm going to go buy a few and put them on trees on the local roads, thanks a lot butthole
what kind of feelings anon?
>they prescribe it to trannies lmao
No they don't anon.
I've had gender dysphoria for the longest time. also no lifting can fix being short and having weak, rounded face. and being bald isnt rlly an option 4 me. so I thought why not just troon out. I do want to present as feminine if it can keep my hair. rlly funny pic btw.
Well good luck anon and don't forget to flex on terfs, they deserve it all.
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>otherwise I'm killing myself at a gun range
They don't let you rent guns unless you already brought one because of homosexuals like you.
i have a friend that will let me use his guns. gg ez
dont care lol
>I'm killing myself at a gun range.
stop inconveniencing the rest of us with that shit you turboBlack person
Have been on finasteride 4 months. Dick still gets rock hard and I have an almost uncontrollable sex drive, possibly even higher than before. Have got lots of hair back as well, and my lifts have continued to increase as before. In conclusion, you are moronic.
Don't worry you'll get there. My sides didn't come up until 7 months.
If you didn't get them until 7 months in it's likely not the cause of it
Heard it all before. Waited a bit sides went away. Tried fin again and got sides. Tried a lower dose same story. It was the fin.
Dosage?
Originally just the 1mg as normal. Then tried to get back on it through halfling the dosage to 0.5 and later even 0.2 by cutting the pill. After I still had issues I decided it wasn't worth it or the risks of now confirmed sides. I'm not the only one where later sides have appeared according to people I've talked to, some later than me. I was 23 when I got on fin so I don't know if it there was a chemical balance change with me that had caused it.
that's wierd, yet not impossible, I experienced some sides taking 1mg everyday, then lowered to 0,5mg everyday and sides were still there, lowered to 0,5mg every 48 hours and there are no sides now, and it's working. You could try 0,2mg every 48 hours or 0,5mg every 72 hours, it might work good for you, even with some small gains.
Although I still find the topic and community interesting I've moved away and I don't want to revive a obsession or be reminded how I used to stress myself. I'm 29 now and although I had more temple recession my hairloss seems to have stabilised or slowed for now not that I've been paying huge attention as I used to. Still zero crown loss which follows my dads pattern. I'm not really fussed now I'm married and been buzzing for years.
>in the tinder age most single women won't take a second look at bald men when they can just swipe to one with full hair.
lmao wrong. maybe youre just ugly bro. pic related - still had tons of matches after shaving totally bald. pic related.
anon i think you’re referring to balding men, not bald men
sorry bro, we have to send a few more hundred billion dollars to africa, can't spend any on white people problems, think of the hecking Black personinos
>willing to pay 30k
>yet no fricking scientific found a cure
this explains that
This
I just wear a hair system and look badass lol nothing but compliments. cope.
Post toupee
sure thing here you go
Imagine the bacteria.
Now its totally clean. I love these threads because there is an easy 100% answer to this shit lol
Do you sell hair systems, shill?
Can you work out and sweat with them?
does it get itchy? those videos where they apply glue to the scalp make me cringe
naw feels fine. gotta shave your hair but it feels normal
if a girl grabs it during sex are you fricked? I might get one just to wear occasionally
no its completely fine. its like real hair. just dont frick with freaky b***hes that wanna tear your head off lmao
Please be trolling. That looks like shit.
cope. it looks great and i get nothing but compliments
>someone using a toupee is telling someone else to cope
this has to be bait
look great dont care lol keep coping 🙂
It actually looks like normal hair
You would only know if he told you, which he has
I want to see how bald he really is
Looks great anon. I wouldn’t be able to tell at all.
Jelly haters itt with hair and nothing else in life
Looks good anon
looks good anon, thought at first you were posting a normal hair pic, then realized it was a hair system
I will post mine when I get my wig done. It looks great anon!
I don't even know why i'm in this thread but nice toupee anon I had to double check that's what you were posting
>hair system
>"hey man, your hair is looking great recently, what's your secret?"
>"I've got this system that's been working really well!"
>"Oh cool, what is it?"
>"I slather my head in glue and slap someone else's hair on top"
lmao
no one mentions anything and says great hair lmao keep seething tho
I'm only being a dick, if it's something that works for you, fair play. I've just always found the term "hair system" to be quite funny
Yah pretty much I'm pretty sure that's why they changed the term because no one wants to wear a "wig".
And sure call it a toupee if it makes you feel better cause I don't care and look great!
A friend of mine just got a transplant recently with good results, is that something you'd do or is it too pricey?
I've looked into it and it's not for me. Between the pills, needing it done multiple times (a fact that most people ignore) and it looks like shit. The hairsystem is great because you get results right away and you just have to waste time twice a month putting it back on. I really love it. Let me know if you guys have any questions about it.
>the pills
is it true you need to take finasteride after a transplant? I keep hearing conflicting info
You need it BEFORE during and after and that shit is really not good for you. We all joke about it but it's literally for trannies lol. it fricks up your natural chemistry. Some people get through it with no sides but the sides are very bad if you get them.
>We all joke about it but it's literally for trannies lol.
It's literally a prostate drug for old farts you stupid frick.
This post is correct. Topical fin is absorbed systemically and has the same negligible side effects as oral.
I don't want to freak anybody out, but trannies drink water too,
>mfw I realize I'm breathing troony air
Probably because people take the same dose as they take oral. According to le heckin science you can take something like 110mcg of topical fin and only get 25% lower serum dht but still get good hair growth results. A milligram of fin whether oral or topical is going to lower your serum over 70%.
You take that secret to the grave, dumbass. You don't even let your spouse know. Better than being a blading based boy.
>hair system
We call that a toupet.
>hair system
so, a wig?
Well yeah, but with trademarked glue
Semi permeant wig. Can last up to a year if you baby it.
Drinking minoxidil will make your hair grow back but keeping it is another challenge altogether.
At least he had a head full of hair.
What's the rundown on topical finasteride? It seems to not be approved by whatever israeli health organization controls the pharma so I don't even know if you can get it but could it minimize the sides?
I'm pretty sure some of those telemedicine services offer topical finasteride. It's usually combined with minoxidil
I found a solution
Seeing what dudes who get hair transplants look like after the procedure is enough to put me off it. Walking around looking like a dirtbike tire ran over their scalp at full speed... yuck.
ITT: people who don't understand that you can mix finasteride into minoxidil and get a topical treatment that has negligible side effects while also working just fine
Sadly this is bullshit I got sides from topical fin even at a very low dose.
pretty simple solution tbh
>wear wig
>if anyone asks what happened, just say you had cancer
You could just blame it on covid as it's been reported to kickstart or rapidly increase MPB in people already genetically predisposed.
please say sike.
better get that jab anon
i already had covid. i dunno if it made my hair any worse tho
Saw plenty of people complain and talk about it on hair loss forums. Not saying it's legit just a random excuse if that anon wants something to publicly blame it on.
Jab wouldn't make a difference if true but that would have been funny if they went with that psy-op. Maybe even claim the jab slows MPB down lol.
Why would you need to blame it on anything? It just happens, genetics.
I wouldn't but some people do as the other anon suggested cancer. People often feel embarrassed at something they perceive as a inadequacy solely within themselves. Balding can be crushing to a younger mans mindset.
Just started the big three. Not like anyone gives a shit but I'll post results 6 months later in a random balding thread.
Fin minox, whats the third one?
that's just a normal adult hairline
This. Most people in here are insecure morons.
Disregard these comments. Some people just have to chime in on every discussion
the people who get no side effects of fin are the luckiest Black folk on earth
the luckiest nigs on earth are the ones that don't go bald.
Truth me dad is bald and so am i but my older brother isn't but he's an incel so i guess i won there
everyone gets side effects, some people don't notice
Rosemary oil, unironically
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25842469/
dont care lol
sounds great! you win internet points! upvoted! lol dont care and look great stay mad lol
turkish hair transplant?
>1-2% of users
just don't be unlucky lmao
fortune favors the bold
think you mean "misfortune favors the bald"
Reminder fin side effects are literally a myth.
If you notice marginal thinning you should get on it to save yourself.
>just castrate yourself bro
>it's just a coincidence trannies take the same drug to feminise themselves bro
Does topical fin work?
it does. efficacy is not quite as high but less of it gets in your bloodstream so less severe side effects if you're predisposed to them
side note: if you've ever taken ADHD meds the side effects are roughly the same, the difference is that adderall is a nootropic so it has an effect on your mind that makes the risk calculus much easier
>using more words than the guy with the toupee
you're losing because you aren't just saying "lmao bald cope"
economy of words is important
Take 0.5mg of finasteride every other day and you'll get no side effects and will save your hairline forever.
0.5mg inhibits your 5ar as well as 1mg, and your DHT levels don't even start to rise again for two days after. The reason dudes get side effects is because 1mg per day (or 1.25mg as many dudes take by pill cutting) is way overkill. You see this in side effects being even more prominent (like ten times more) in studies of men taking 5mg per day, though these are older men too. You could likely even get by on just 0.5mg MWF given these facts.
There's literally no reason to be afraid of taking fin to save your hair. If you catch it early you won't even need to give your soul to minox massages twice a day for life either.
>You see this in side effects being even more prominent (like ten times more) in studies of men taking 5mg per day, though these are older men too.
>though these are older men too
Yes, that explains like 99% of the difference. You can't just compare the side effect rate in a hair loss study to a study done on old boomers with enlarged prostates lmfao. What a dogshit post, holy frick.
A post you didn't even read, evidently.
Cope, moron, the rest of your post is irrelevant. The only piece of evidence you brought up to support your thesis that 0.5 mg has an appreciably lower rate of sides than 1 mg is a nonsensical comparison between different studies, which suggests that you're either dumb as shit or deliberately trying to mislead people.
That's not even what's said in the part of the post you did read.
Why are baldcels so stupid?
Can you stop coping with this "u didn't read my post" shit and just fricking have a nice day already? You very clearly said that 0.5 mg has NO SIDE EFFECT. There's no evidence for this. Idc if it's almost as effective as 1 mg, for all we know, it may have the exact same side effect rate. Just take the fricking 1 mg or 1.25 mg dose like a normal human being instead of this hypochondriac shit lmao.
This is exactly what I do, 0.5mg fin with minoxidil, no side effects, and got the hair that was thinning at the corners of my forehead back. Go this route.
>using a french word for anything
lmao
>ITT: people who don't understand that 5AR blockers don't have any real side effects, and they're all a nocebo effect in your head
No, DHT has no effect on libido, testosterone and estrogen affect libido, and blocking DHT increases both slightly, so theoretically you could actually enjoy a small increase in sexual function and libido.
Yes 5AR blockers are "troony pills" and usually part of a HRT routine, why? Because you can't have male pattern baldness if you're trying to look like a woman. That's it. The only thing DHT does after puberty for men, is make your head increasingly bald, and your body increasingly hairy.
The caveat here is that, the /misc/cels frothing at the mouth over trannies 24/7 are probably going to have so much womanly anxiety over taking a 5AR blocker that it will break their dick even after they stop. So essentially you're so moronic you've soft locked yourself out have having hair, so good job.
the risks are overblown but don't misinform. the side effects, though rare, do exist
See
The studies that show prominent sexual side effects are done in men 40+, where ED is more common, and also in cases where fin is being used to treat enlarged prostate which takes a 5mg does.
In the 1mg studies, even with 1mg being double what you need to actually take for it to be effective, reported sexual side effects were as high in the placebo group as in the treatment group. In fact in some studies looking at nocebo effects on medicines the placebo group reports higher instances of side effects than the meds group.
While it's a known fact that finasteride can possibly rarely have adverse sexual side effects, the likelihood you get them when low dosing is basically statistical zero.
>the side effects, though rare, do exist
The side effects are the misinformation brother.
>theoretically you could actually enjoy a small increase in sexual function and libido.
Can confirm, I was ravenously horny for the first couple weeks after starting 1.25mg eod. I think I'm pretty much back to baseline at this point though, about 6 months in. I will say however, my ejaculate is more watery now, but I think I also shoot slightly farther because of that, so you win you lose some I guess
When people say their semen becomes watery when taking fin, do they mean that it is clear as water or that it is less dense or both?
I'm assuming they mean more runny.
I never got this side effect though, but I also supplement zinc which will turboload your loads.
Both. Before I shot fat sticky white globs, but now I shoot more watery, slightly white tinted loads. It's like I went from boogers to snot if that makes sense. Will try supplementing zinc like this anon said
I was actually on zinc before but I ran out shortly before starting fin and haven't got another bottle yet, so that probably adds a lot to the difference I'm seeing. It is nice shooting 4+ feet but I think I'd like the globs back
Just like trannies you wilfully remove natural things in your body for just cosmetics without fully understanding them and spread misinformation about possible consequences. 5AR is definitely NOT trash. There are other functions of this enzyme within neurosteroid chemistry. Not to mention we now have published studies showing the negatives of fin and the biological differences between Post Fin Syndrome patients and control groups
>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26646518/
>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34247957/
>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32676403/
>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34449557/
>Just like trannies you wilfully remove natural things in your body for just cosmetics without fully understanding them and spread misinformation about possible consequences.
Yes.
>5AR is definitely NOT trash. There are other functions of this enzyme within neurosteroid chemistry. Not to mention we now have published studies showing the negatives of fin and the biological differences between Post Fin Syndrome patients and control groups
>>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26646518/
>>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34247957/
>>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32676403/
>>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34449557/
Don't care, didn't read, cope and sneed, you are bald and I have hair.
>Yes.
I accept your concession. Don't forget to dilate your scalp today.
And I accept the concession of your hairline to fear and ignorance.
You are not a man, you're a cowardly, envious little wretch that chose to give up a part of his body, FOREVER, at the mere suggestion that there is a risk or danger. You will NEVER have hair again, and now you want to bring everyone else down to your level(bald lol)
Did you hear me, baldcel? You will NEVER have hair.
You will never be a real hairchad. You have no dht resistant follicles, you have no working libido, you have no thick loads. You are still a balding man twisted by drugs and surgery into a crude mockery of nature’s perfection.
All the “validation” you get is two-faced and half-hearted. Behind your back people mock you. Your parents are disgusted and ashamed of you, your “friends” laugh at your ghoulish appearance behind closed doors.
Women are utterly repulsed by you. Thousands of years of evolution have allowed women to sniff out Minoxidil frauds with incredible efficiency. Even hairlines that “pass” look uncanny and unnatural to a woman. Your hair structure is a dead giveaway. And even if you manage to get a drunk girl home with you, she’ll turn tail and bolt the second she gets a whiff of your limp dick and watery cum.
You will never be happy. You wrench out a fake smile every single morning and tell yourself it’s going to be ok, but deep inside you feel the baldness creeping up like a weed, ready to crush you under the unbearable weight.
Eventually it’ll be too much to bear - you’ll buy a rope, tie a noose, put it around your neck, and plunge into the cold abyss. Your parents will find you, heartbroken but relieved that they no longer have to live with the unbearable weakness and disappointment. They’ll bury you with a headstone marked with your early receding hairline, and every passerby for the rest of eternity will know a balding man is buried there. Your body will decay and go back to the dust, and all that will remain of your legacy is a skeleton that is unmistakably bald.
my reaction pic also failed to upload kek
mfw I started balding at 20 so I can't even have loose twenties, it's not fair bros
started at 17....
>Effects of Subchronic Finasteride Treatment and Withdrawal on Neuroactive Steroid Levels and Their Receptors in the Male Rat Brain
Rat study, cope.
>Differential Gene Expression in Post-Finasteride Syndrome Patients
This study has been debunked a billion times. Badly matched control group, not designed to show causation.
>Penile vascular abnormalities in young men with persistent side effects after finasteride use for the treatment of androgenic alopecia
Doesn't prove causation. "People who think they got permanent ED from fin do indeed have ED, therefore it was caused by fin" <- this is your logic.
>Paternal Finasteride Treatment Can Influence the Testicular Transcriptome Profile of Male Offspring-Preliminary Study
Don't care, not having kids. Also, I'm pretty sure it's just another israelite study using a designed that's guaranteed to produce a false positive results by looking at an astronomical number of variables.
Enjoy going bald you absolute moron. Yes, I know you're balding, why else would you have spent so much time collecting fin studies?
Not that anon.
Ever since I started taking fin and dut, I stopped having morning woods.
My erections are weaker and it’s so much harder for me to get an erection. Random boners are gone too.
I won’t stop taking it because it has done wonders for my hair and I don’t want to go bald, but the side effects are absolutely fricking real.
>inb4 it’s all mental and it will go away
I’ve been on this regime for three years already.
Experiencing side effects WHILE taking the drugs is not the same as PFS.
>>inb4 it’s all mental and it will go away
>I’ve been on this regime for three years already.
It IS all mental, but it's not going away, not even if you stopped taking fin at this point, because you've already convinced yourself that it won't.
how is morning wood mental?
I had morning wood every single day until I started taking finasteride
then I did not get it once while I was taking it
now that I stopped I get it very occasionally
finasteride can permanently frick up your dick. i have no idea why people even debate this, the effects of DHT on libido are well known
>how is morning wood mental?
Your anxiety over finasteride doesn't go away just because you're sleeping
>I had morning wood every single day until I started taking finasteride
No you didn't, it's just that you only remember the times you do.
Personally I stop getting morning erections whenever I'm in a caloric deficit. I can go months without noticing I've stopped getting them until somebody brings it up.
So really the lesson here is twofold; There is a multitude of causes for lack of morning erections, from anxiety, to being dehydrated before bed, to your diet, and the second is, you're not going to notice the lack of morning erections unless you're constantly on the verge of a heart attack over fin sides, and analyzing your own body under a microscope, scrutinizing every single little change, and blaming it on the medication you're so worked up over.
>now that I stopped I get it very occasionally
Because your anxiety has lessened when you stopped taking it, but you still have some anxiety over the imaginary "post-finasteride syndrome"
>finasteride can permanently frick up your dick.
It can permanently frick up your mind*
>i have no idea why people even debate this, the effects of DHT on libido are well known
The only documentation of DHT having an effect on libido, is anecdotes from ignorant people fearmongering on internet forums, most of which have never even used the medication.
>muh nature
>t. dyel with watery shits from all the protein powders, creatine and other moronic supplements
t.ranny
>t. bald
this is your fate, prideful incel
should have taken the lifeline
When I was taking TOPICAL fin I had some brain fog, also testical ache. Worst thing was the taste though, I had to start drinking it with orange juice just to get it down.
What was your dose on TOPICAL fin?
Yes of course, when I stopped taking TOPICAL fin it went away again.
Take this shit to IST or IST you miserable gays
men balding is so important in evening out the playing field. women would get mogged SO hard if male pattern baldness didn't exist. dating would be even more fricked than it is for them, i think it's only natural that men get knocked down a few pegs during what would be their prime.
i literally have nothing without hair. it wouldnt just be being knocked down a peg.
>be bald
>give israelites your precious shekels in order to placate your vanity
the choice is clear on this one, op
not so precious when you have a well paying job
They are *always* precious, anon. Jobs are very temporary, and fortune is fickle.
There is a cure. Take finasteride when you notice your hair is receding.
If you're not willing to do that then you will go bald.
Did you guys shed on fin?
I hit two sheds.
The first was combing out tiny wispy blond hairs from my head which I assume were the miniaturized hairs on their way out. Then about six months in I got MAJOR shed of hairs that looked more normal and literally had to unclog my shower drain three times pulling out hair wads from it from that shed. The shed is normal though as it's your follicles becoming healthy again and miniaturized hairs getting booted to make way for new ones.
Not him and not jumping in really but convenience
Topical finasteride is custom made because the manufacturers typically only make it in pill form and the drug works by absorbing into your scalp skin and making it's way into the rest of your body. When you topically apply finasteride or dutasteride or minoxidil those drugs go systemic (it affects 5AR in your prostate primarily for 5-AR inhibiters, and is less effective against other types of 5AR and the topical minoxidil still makes its way to the liver).
So topical hair loss drugs work roughly the same whether they are taken orally or applied to the scalp so you might as well just take them orally for convenience. I would attribute any differences in rates of side effects to the size of the nocebo effect in each case. For example it's commonly believed that topical treatments have less side effects so they do because the nocebo effect is not as large. But if you would to do a random double blind placebo control trial on both methods you would probably find that the the non-placebo side effects are about 1 in 200 but the topical group would report fewer side effects due to this psychological factor.
Min is converted into something much more potent when taken orally because it passes through the liver
is balding really that bad? im 24 and dont think I have any loss at all but nobody pays attention to me anyway so I cant imagine being bald is any worse
Yes it's mental torture, can cause guys to have mental breakdowns or get depression or give up generally
It's the real test a mans character. Some can take it in their stride others break down completely and find all sorts of drastic ways to cope. Wigs, drugs, surgery etc.
>It's the real test a mans character. Some can take it in their stride
yeah becasue some can still look good and others
>cant grow decent beard
>have oddly shaped skull
and now that i think of it I dont think i've ever seen a decent looking, young, on the thin side, bald man. So that's another thing, you have to become somewhat stocky
it's because thin neck+bald head makes you look like a cancer patient
It's the real test a mans character. Some can take it in their stride and rock that horseshoe, while others break down completely and find all sorts of drastic ways to cope. Beard, just shaving it off, etc.
If I was happily married I wouldn't mind much.
Fact is I'm not, and in the meantime I cope by banging 18 year olds instead to pacify me, and I know that if I were bald they would not be wanting me to frick them with my belt around their neck while they call me daddy.
Would you say this is a Norwood 2 or 3?
The front of everyone's hairline is different. Norwoods 1-3 are defined by how far back your corners recede in relation to your ears. If your corners are still in front of your side burns that is Norwood 1. If they recede to meet the front of your ear (have receded the distance of your sideburns) that is Norwood 2. If they go the same distance as your sideburns beyond the start of your ear that, that is Norwood 3. Norwood 4 is having a includes a noticeable bald spot, Norwood 5 is when the dead zones on your head link up and is peak "just frick my shit up senpai". Norwood 6 is diffuse hair on the head. Norwood 7 is horseshoe bald.
>Are we talking about the side effects of fin?
Yeah it's torturous having to spend so much time washing and drying my full head of hair, and the increased libido is driving me nuts bro. Don't take fin bro, just shave it.
such a BS study. men are already frickin depressed when they start balding.
>ignores that men have literally permanently lost use of their dicks
Yeah that's not possible because hormones go back to normal within 3 months of discontinuing use, so you're agreeing that practically every side effect is a nocebo or natural disorders that would have presented themselves even without 5AR inhibition
>and/or plunged into irreversible suicidal depression
Depression isn't real.
And you know what? You really argue like the keto schizo.
>you can't have a side effect if the effect isn't real
>THE SIDE EFFECTS ARE REAL TO ME DOCTOR!!!
Zoomer girls love bondage.
1. A lot of the guys saying that have never taken fin and are bald morons fudding it
2. A lot of guys get those sides because they convince themselves they will from the fearmongering/propaganda they read online
3. There's a brief window at the start where that can happen but it goes away as your body adjusts.
So yes it's just schizo ramblings for the most part
God I dread the day that my balding will start
I'm gonna miss my long hair
>balls hurt
Sometimes balls get sore for no reason. Most people don't think twice about it unless they're on the verge of having a heart attack over muh fin sides
>their cum is watery
This is basically the only real "side effect" due to how 5AR inhibition affects the prostate, but really? You're going to cry and go bald because your boyfriend doesn't like to eat your semen if it's too viscous, or what?
>and their have brain fog while on fin?
Brain fog isn't real. It was made up during the covid scamdemic, Black person.
My head used to look like the pic OP. Now my hair is growing back. I am over 50. In 4 months of pinching my scalp off the skull and taking NAD+ (*I started seeing growth before the pinching 2 months after I started taking the old people NAD+). The scalp pinching helped big time. Several times a day. Hair overall still thin, but I’ve gained about 4-5”s of hair from the front to back and it’s slowly thickening. Hair is filling in on the sides and back as well but not as fast as the front to back. In a year I’m quite positive I’ll have a full head of hair.
>on 0.75mg every other day
>no side effects
>no hair loss
Works for me, I dunno what everyone's getting so worked up about.
growth?
can you even stay dry with your dht being crushed?
So sorry. Good genetics > Money for breeding.
Everyone hold your horses, wh do ppl always only talk about fin when dutasteride is the superior choice? are you cucks so outdated?
i went to a transplant clinic and they told me dut > fin, plus this procedure is cheap where i live. Only muricans allow themselves to be raped by big pharma and israelite healthcare prices.
How is dut better?
Dut is not approved for hairloss prevention in the US, so most dermatologists won't prescribe it, though it is becoming more common.
My dermatologist offered me dut but I decided to go with fin instead, might switch later though.
It's blocks 5AR type 1 and type 2, opposed to fin only blocking type 1, and reduces DHT by something like 93%, compared to fin reducing DHT by 60-something %.
Allegedly has the same side effect profile as finasteride.
That sounds worse.
It's not clear that all 5-AR is responsible for hair loss. We know the type produced in the prostate is and finasteride targets that. Dutasteride targets all 5-AR.
There's some evidence it's stronger but it hasn't been studied as much as fin
>dutasteride
Its literally just stronger fin
>Dutasteride is sometimes used as a component of hormone therapy for transgender women in combination with an estrogen and/or another antiandrogen like spironolactone
imagine castrating yourself because of this post lmao
>you have to get MPB to pwn the trannies because pills that stop MPB are part of transitioning to a female
imagine castrating yourself because of this post lmao
Imagine going bald to pwn le heckin troonerinos and DA JOOOOOOOOOOOOOZ
Hey guys, 18 year old guy here. Ever since I was a kid I've had a big forehead and shallow hairline, my whole life I've been the butt of jokes about having a 7 head, I've always wore my bangs down to hide it. There is no history of Balding in my family, my grandpa has a little thinning and recession but he's 75. I sympathize with a lot of you, even though I'm 90% sure I don't have hair loss, we are both suffering to a similar effect. Much love
I really, really don't give a shit about my hair. Maybe its autism or something, but as long as I'm IST and clean cut the thinning is irrelevant to me
Dermaneedling and minoxidil is unironically GREAT for the mild/early stages of hair loss. I never even really realized it but one of my temples had been a Norwood 2 for years. I only really noticed when it started heading toward a Norwood 3 and fit hair autism made me focus on it. The dermaneedle/minox combo has worked magnificently and there are hairs on my temple where there haven’t been any for years. I shaved my head during covid to do it though, seemed to work a lot better on a shaved head
my first week on finasteride i felt like i had been kicked in the balls. my 2 grandparents died of prostate cancer.. i think mine was enlarging. My hair is back after 2 long years and my penis works great. My diet and physical activities are number one priority in my life. I believe that if I were a fat ass, my dick would have died a long time ago.
Finasteride is a treatment for enlarged prostate and likely reduces prostate cancer risk
Curing hair loss, much like outer space, is fake and gay. It’s not real it’s not possible. Quit coping and hoping get that cap off your head and embrace it.
I wish there were better guidelines on how to avoid/delay baldness in the first place.
Well, the only way to avoid it is to start early with pervention. 90% of male hairloss is genetic, so you just assume that it's genetic for yourself if you see it happening. You can almost be certain what age you are gonna bald by asking your maternal grandfather and father. 1 bald guy = bad, 2 = worse. Starting finastride early enough will allow you to keep all your hair, even dispite your genetics. People love to demonise the drug dispite it being a life saver if used correctly, and the side effects are temporary if you get any you cannot deal with.
>People love to demonise the drug dispite it being a life saver if used correctly, and the side effects are temporary if you get any you cannot deal with.
You are a fricking idiot that can't even spell "demonize" correctly shilling troony pills. KYS you aren't a doctor homosexual.
>u used the uk spelling
Nice argument.
2% chance
I think the fact that this is one of the most positive and supporting thread I've seen in a while says a lot about IST
Did you just delete and re-upload your shitpost because you forgot to attach a moronic anime reaction image? Do you honestly expect people to believe that you're a "hair chad" and not a coping baldcel?
>Did you just delete and re-upload your shitpost because you forgot to attach a moronic anime reaction image?
I made a edit/spelling error.
>Do you honestly expect people to believe that you're a "hair chad" and not a coping baldcel?
Didn't say I was just trying to make a funny edit. Shitposting got out of hand sorry bros. We're all dealing with the same problem only take different paths. Wish you all the best on your journey.
Brutal show lol but that guy did himself no favours
>short
>skinnyfat
>no muscle, no tone
>bad posture
>full horseshoe pattern hair. Unironic just shave it.
>no stubble, beard or anything to help frame his face
>why else would you have spent so much time collecting fin studies?
All I did was head over to the post fin syndrome subreddit and copypaste studies for shitposting purposes. Don't even read. Those guys obsession is next level. Good luck anon.
>that guy did himself no favours
>>short
>"Just stop being short, bro!"
It's over.
>>"Just stop being short, bro!"
Yes
if fin has any effect on fertility im not touching that shit
Frens, this is me after 14 months of fin and minox, plus some dermaroller because that shit hurts a lot
I wasn't entirely bald, but you could see my scalp from around the corner on a sunny day. I have pictures on the beach with wet hair that I looked like Bettle Juice.
It is super short now.. I'm letting it grow back
did you notice anything 4 months in?
I guess a hair system has to be customized and it takes some prep and all that to fit it but is there any way to "try" one before you go through all that shit? Even when I had a full head of hair mine was never nice so I really have no idea what it would look like if I got a hair system. Is the only way to put on a wig and then see if I can get a hair system that is similar? I don't want to pay for shit I might not even want.
Reject the israelitepills and embrace it
the sooner you do this, the better you'll feel
I've been bald since 24. it's never hindered me in anyway, socially or romantically
Planning on adding min to my routine, but scared of the scalp dryness.
What should I get in advance to counter a dry scalp from min if it happens?
First and foremost I would get the right kind of minox, which for you is probably the alcohol free foam.
Unironically drink it
Not calling you baldy baldy
Been taking fin for 8 months, dick still works and cums.
Probably shrinkage overtime but you just got used to it
I feel I've got diffuse hair thinning at 25 as my hairs seem to be everywhere, which I noticed in the last year, yet I haven't noticed hairline recession and or any noticeable bald patches. So I'm not really sure if I am losing hair.
I was convinced about asking about my TRT clinic for fin script but after the shitshow of discussion in this thread I don't know. Maybe a hair system if I do lose it all, which at this rate is a while away. Atm im on derminator, ketoconazol shampoo and castor oil every week. So I really don't know, I wish there was a more straighforward answer
is it better to microneedle every week or every other week?
Are you using a roller? Throw it in the trash and get a proper machine like the derminator. Depends on depth, if your doing something like 0.5, then weekly, if you go deeper like 2mm, I do it monthly, but could do it more often since I do my face at the same time and that needs time to heal when I go as deep as 1.5-1.75
if you're going to do it on your face, don't stay in the sun, otherwise you'll become a purple homie forever. Hyperpigmentation.
I saw some post on IST some months ago about a guy that said he was from a cult or some shit and they found the cure of alopecia in lice
I can't find it, can anyone check the archive? It was a IST post
1. shave head
2. wear caps and beanies
its not that hard
ONLY WOMEN AND homosexualS NEED HAIR BROHTER
Anon is so bald he's an 8 on the Norwood scale
LET ME TELL YA SOMETHIN ZOOMIE
HAIR IS FOR gayS MAN
ARE YOU GONNA GO GET A PERM? YOU GONNA DYE IT DIFFERENT COLORS? THAT'S GAY DUDE. WHY DONT YOU START WEARIN A DRESS TOO gayGET?
LISTEN UP HULKAMANIACS, ALL YOU GOTTA DO IS SAY YOUR PRAYERS, TAKE YOUR VITAMINS, TRAIN HARD AND BELIEVE IN YOURSELF BROTHER.
Anon is so bald his signature wrestling move is blinding fury
>want to take dht derivative
>going to have to take fin instead because hairlet
dht derivatives dont make you bald, because they are not substrates for 5a-reductase in your scalp
anavar for example isnt virilizing, thats why women take it
don't people complain about hairloss when they take mast or primo?
Pic is me, I'm in my mid 30s. All males in family are bald, I started taking finasteride just as the JUST started happening, around 10 or more years ago. I can't say enough good things about the medicine, it simply fricking works if you use it early. I recommended it to friends who start their journeys towards Total JUST, but many of them just repeat the same "you'll be impotent soon bro" nonsense that is often found on the internet.
>OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH CAMOUFLAGE
>THINGS ARE NEVER QUITE THE WAY THEY SEEM
>OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH CAMOUFLAGE
>IT'S JUST A BALDLET ON FINASTERIDE
That being said, nice trips
lmao, haven't heard that song in ages
Even if you get limp dick, just poop a BlueChew. Anyway, this thread convinced me to go on fin when I start showing signs. About to turn 28.
it's worth it because even if you do get ED, not like you would have any chance of getting to use your dick if you're average bones and bald.
finasteride killed my dick but because i'm a khv it doesn't impact me
you've got to be shilling me
Diffuse thinners have it the worst and the best.
They are normally the best responders to 5 alpha inhibitors and tend to maintain their hair while on the medicine for a long time.
Now if the medicine does not work/you stopped it/the medicine stopped working then you are royally fricked since its the most aggressive hair loss and all of them reach NW7 very quickly
finasteride has destroyed my libido but i still continue to take it
I remember reading about somewhere a while back about there being a "danger zone" as if your not balding by the time your 30 you will keep most of your hair till old age, can anyone confirm this?
t.28 year old with a full head of hair (for now)
It's like 35-40. Most men who go norwood 7 (that is full bald like danny devito, larry david, etc.) get there in their 20s if not teens. By 26 it's usually apparent what pattern you're balding in. NOTE that this pattern can just be thinning and not full-on baldness, but you'll generally be able to see it esp with wet hair under harsh lighting. If you have ZERO by your late 30s you will probably have hair for life. If you have some, you'll probably go some degree of bald before you're dead. But at 28 you probably won't be 100% horseshoe because you would've gotten there already.
I myself am 31 and will likely be Norwood IV someday, but I had definite thinning/bald spot by 26.
been bald for years and it fricking sucks. Every time I walk past a mirror I have to avert my eyes. Zero attention from women, of course. Can only have sex with prostitutes. Try to rationalize it to myself by saying things like "at least I'm not short" but in truth I'd rather be short than look like a freaky genetic failure. sometimes I wonder why was I even born. why were my parents allowed to breed? Life just ain't fair
where do you live?, here in the UK theres a frickton of bald guys everywhere, in fact the biggest shagger i know is 34 and has had a horseshoe since his early 20's
I live in the US. Sure, I know it's not impossible but it's vastly more difficult especially in the age of online dating where pics are all that matter. Women won't even give you a chance if you're bald but can't tell from your pics that you're short.
I'm a 170cm turbo manlet, and I'd trade my hair for another 10cm, but even I still manage to get attention from (short) women, and have no issue getting laid.
If my problems could be solved with a few pills or some glue, I'd be set for life.
see there you go. short is 100x preferable to bald. 170 isn't even that short that's like king of manlet territory
I didn't get much attention from women before I was bald, certainly not while I was balding and I am getting the most attention ever since I started buzzing my hair - which is still not a lot but definitely decent for someone who is otherwise not very attractive either.
Frick it i gave myself a mohawk. Need to grow it out a bit now. Also a moustache
But this is just a maturing hairline, and no indication you're going bald?
I have a similarly alarming hairline. My temples aren't receding, but my forehead is getting bigger. I'm losing hair uniformly in a horizontal line. Can't tell if I'm going bald or just getting a mature hairline.
Well this is just before shaving the sides
Not ideal. The shaved sides are a flattering choice.
Now I'm worried. I don't have a horseshoe or a pronounced "V", but my forehead is definitely getting bigger.
>maturing hairline
lol nope
that's a copehawk
Yes, i said so myself. I'm coping like frick. This is me bald
You do have a lot of useless bodyhair on your traps tho, so you could try having that transplanted to your head. Hell, you could use topical min on your traps and have an endless supply of transplant hairs.
That's from shaving my head you dunce
Pretty based ngl
Is this unironically a good cope cut? I'm too scared to go bald but would consider a hawk
based and coassackpilled, 10/10 would raid the steppes with
you look good, honestly if you went full bald you should just do horseshoe and moustache
For me it's Polish molecule Regen7
>was losing crown hair fast 4 years ago
>take this Polish shampoo
>crown grew back to full density
>no libido issues or anything like that
This looks really good. B3 has a ton of benefits, I wouldn't be surprised if this stuff worked.
i took the bald pill because i refused to take some medicine EVERY day for the rest of my life
do you not have a stack, (zinc, arginine etc)?
don't know what that is
i accepted my fate and just shaved it off
Would much rather just fly to Turkey and get a transplant for 2-3k and be done with it then playing the finasteride lottery, friend of mine got one 4-5 years ago and looks legit af
>can send men to the moon
>can make computers out of sand
>can wipe out whole continents in seconds if need be
>cant come up with a risk free way of not losing your fricking hair
God is a top tier troll
>he doesn't know about the Polish molecule
aware me on it then, had a quick google and didnt find much bar some polish uni shilling it
That's basically it, when I started getting bald I told everybody about it, two people told me to get hair transplant and one of my doctors told me to try this Dermena Men shampoo (I guess her husband used it) so I used it and my crown hair grew back in a few months. Kind of odd that there's only one company that uses this molecule but for me it works and since it's some kind of vitamin derivative it's pretty mild. Plus it's like $5 for a bottle that lasts me a few months and any pharmacy in Poland has it.
Now that I think about it I'd probably look like shit if I hadn't moved to Poland before balding lmao.
does that work also for almost bald?
I've never tried being almost bald first so idk.
>inhibits hair loss in 92% of respondents
>stimulates hair growth in 79% of respondents
so what stage were you in when you started using it?
i wish i had started earlier with treatment
idk about Norwood, my hairline is slightly mature but not very receded and the shampoo didn't change that, whereas on the crown it looked pretty white when parted with a comb and I could feel the lack of hair by touching it, now the crown is back to full density. It was pretty early as I started using the shampoo soon after my hairdresser noticed the crown thinning.
thank you
my hairline is fine i only have very short hair at the top
when i shave it doesnt look like im bald but when the hair at the sides starts growing it becomes noticable
unreal how much you femboy homosexuals care about your hair. unironically just shave it off bro.
I would pay 250k for a 1-off successful treatment. There is so much money in this it is insane.
transplants work for a fraction of that price
no they don't and you need multiple. you guys will really fall for any israelite tricks
>was literally able to reverse my hair loss by using a mixture of black seed oil, vitamins and minerals and a red light
Feels good bros
and as usual no before/after pics provided
Based. Was that topically or did you take them internally?
Post stack
they only people who actually care are you homosexual autists. the average person doesn't give a shit and realizes it's a part of life. why can't you homosexuals go three seconds without acting like a woman?
because you don't know what it's like to have hair
oh no its a wig he'll never get laid HAHA- Random incel on cartoon network support board
looks great! - Normal people
>looks great! - Normal people
Lmao, everyone thinks you're pathetic when they discover you wear a wig, especially women.
Take that shit off in front of a woman and watch how quick her poon dries up.
lol I've gone on multiple dates since getting one and only ended up telling one and she didn't care. no one does but keep crying cause i look great now lol
I also take it off twice a month for 20 mins to do maintence so there's no reason they would ever see you without it unless you chose to.
gimme bacck my hair aaaaaa
hair bakccccccccccc
no such thing as a maturing hairline only a receding one
The hair systems are by far the best i've been on the big 3 and yeah it works but it's still COPE hair and the same with transplant it'll still be shitty COPE hair those new wigs are insane literally rockstar/brad pitt hair. I'll get one for sure if my crypto moons i have a good jaw line already so would make me 9/10 status.
I wear it and got nothing but compliments from people at the bar this weekend. Literally no one gives a give and quite frankly they think its badass you are doing something about it instead of rocking a child molesters haircut.
No money in a cure
there is a cure, dont let them have kids
The real awful side effect of Fin for me was not my dick breaking (my dick was fine) but the persistent low level fatigue and brain fog that got worse over the year I used it.
I was using topical 3 times a week at a low dose. Still got sides and it barely helped my hair at all. Classic case of low reward / high risk cure. Would not recommend.
Neurosteroids are important in ways we don't fully understand, folks.
ALSO as soon as you start using Fin you will enter a massive shed that takes up to 9 months to recover from. The only "gains" I received were recovery from that initial shed.
I also found that it negatively impacted my gains. I'd rather just continue to go bald than stagnate mentally and physically. Having quit using it two months ago, I'm already feeling better. Gaining, reading, and meditating again.
Weird.
I'm on dutasteride and don't feel any sides, but at the same time don't see results.
It's like it doesn't do jack shit at all in my body.
Been on it for 4 months tho, so maybe it still needs time.
Why would companies try to cure a disease when they're making $30k a pop treating it?
>they're making $30k
They fricking don't lmao, most people go to Turkey, Portugal or even fricking Thailand to get a hair transplant because there's always a third worlder ready to do it better for less money.
You can get a transplant for as cheap as €5k
>Turkey
I'm scared to get it done there thinking they would wreck my shit. Are they really good?