What are some based martial arts? I'm thinking of picking up karate, but can't help feeling that it's a bit 80's. On the other hand it doesn't seem to attracts the MMA retards, which is a plus.
Based Martial Arts
What are some based martial arts? I'm thinking of picking up karate, but can't help feeling that it's a bit 80's. On the other hand it doesn't seem to attracts the MMA retards, which is a plus.
muay thai
judo
kick boxing
wrestling
boxing
He said martial arts, not sports
>anything that's actually effective isn't le heckin' real martial arts
have a nice day
What is this post supposed to mean?
>martial art
>any of several fighting styles which contain systematized methods of training for combat, both armed and unarmed
Do you think muay thai and judo and boxing aren't fighting styles that use systematized methods of training...?
Okay wimp lo. I look forward to witnessing your mastery of his fist to your face style
a 15 second google search of the definition and you'd realize you're a moron
Karate has many McDojos, that is, a lot of bullshit.
fpbp
I would also add BBJ for groundfighting, though judo and wrestling have some already.
If you like karate, there is only one option, Kyokushin.
What separates Kyokushin from normal karate?
Kuokushin allows head strikes I believe. The reason karate is seen as inferior is because it has become less combat and more sport.
>Kuokushin allows head strikes I believe.
you are not allowed to punch someone in the face, but are allowed to kick someone in the head.
Kyokushin is full contact and more complete than "normal" karate. You rarely see someone giving knees and low kicks in regular karate, while its normal in Kyokushin. Thats why you see a lot of Kyokushin fighters succeed in kick boxing. Glaube Feitosa and Sem Schilt for instance moved from Kyokushin to kickboxing
>Not allowed to punch someone in the head
>Boxing/kickboxing are sport, not MA
Yeah okay m8
Kyokushin is the most widespread type of karate that engages in active hard sparring and conditioning rather than focusing on point fighting. The most common type of kyokushin comp is full contact with no strikes to the head. The founder mad oyama was famously very strong and advocated strength and conditioning work. Basically the only kind of karate that you’re likely to find in the USA that isn’t daycare.
Rule of thumb
>martial arts
Gay
>combat sports
Hetero
Kyokushin is cool, but you will want to glove up and spar with head punches regularly, or you're training yourself to react poorly when you do get smacked in the teeth
Taking punches is a skill that takes time and practice to develop, unfortunately
The best guys who went from kyokushin to K1 did this, thinking of sam greco for example, it's not a hard transition and kyokushin is as good a base as any, but you do need to train with some thought to this or you'll pick up bad habits
OP seems interested in Karate, and yet he wants a fighting style that would be somewhat functional, I think that leaves us some options like Kyakushin is one but I would also look into kick boxing and maybe Muaithai. Also:
sports
>Hetero
Yes you look very hetro wearing your short shorts and shitty tatoos bro.
This
In kyokushin no one is gonna try to limit your training. If you want to demolish things with punches, your comrades are going to encourage you, they will never say "oh man that is impossible, youre going to break your hands dont do it". It is the closest thing to dbz training you will ever get, and prepare to get hit a lot.
t. Brown stripe green belt kyokushin practitioner
This
Kyokushin Karate is probably the most based martial arts. I do kickboxing, have been doing so for a decade, and I'm a BJJ brown belt, but nothing is more based than Kyokushin. It might not be the most practical, but who gives a shit, the aesthetic of it is god tier.
Enshin, seidokaikan and kudo are also full contact as well but with less retarded restrictions.
Unlikely to find them outside of japan and, for some strange reason, russia though.
t. Did kudo for 2 years in japan.
Krotty is generally shit and "MMA meatheads" is a retarded stereotype. Most of the mma dudes at my gym are uni students and all are super chill.
if you're thinking of doing karate, you may as well just learn muay thai and be actually able to defend yourself in a fight ( unless they can wrestle)
Muay Thai
Sambo
BJJ
That’s all you need.
You need to figure out what you want from a martial art before you do it. If you want to learn self-defense there's escaping the necessity for grappling and mainstream kickboxing, but if you just want a challenge then learn something flashy like Taekwondo where you'll at least be forced to learn new movements and develop your overall athleticism
Not OP but I have zero desire to wrestle around on the floor with other dudes. I think I’d get the most out of boxing classes.
It's not as gay as you think once you have bruises, mat burns, cuts, scrapes all over your body while you're gassed sucking in air.
It’s not even that it’s 'gay' it just seems disgusting.
>it just seems disgusting.
you're a fucking gay OP. this thread is terrible. you haven't even specified why you want to do any martial arts other than "I don't want to hang out with MMA retards."
you sound like a fucking (modern) star wars fan, so cringe and stupid.
Then become a "woman" and join the women-only Judo class.
That's BBJ. Muay Thai, Judo, and Wrestling are manly and powerful techniques of self-defense.
Yeah pretty much every BJJ class and roll involves being on the ground very close to another man. If you have insecurities or mental issues it's better to stay away from BJJ. But with wrestling or judo you pretty much always train standing up. And obviously Muay Thai is kickboxing, so there's no grappling there at all (clinch doesn't count).
>there is no hand fighting in wrestling, judo or bjj
I don't know what your post means. In wrestling and judo, you train pinning/ne-waza much less than you train stand-up. In BJJ, you train almost entirely ne-waza.
If you don't know what hand fighting is you've clearly never trained any of them
I know what it means but I have no idea why you would bring it up. What does hand fighting have to do with "wrestling around on the floor with other dudes" you fucking idiot? Holy shit your English is so bad.
In Myau Thai there IS grappling just because the grappling works on deflecting and striking doesn't mean there is none, a good Myau Thai fighter can still take down an average amateur street fighter with a headlock and a sweep with ease, which is stand up grappling.
Ok, but you don't really train grappling very often in Muay Thai classes. You probably train less stand-up grappling in 1 year of Muay Thai compared to like 2 weeks of judo. That's why Muay Thai is considered a kickboxing martial art, not a grappling martial art.
Most purists would argue otherwise, its clinch fighting not kickboxing.
Also Kickboxing is a term that was founded around blending of Karate and Myau Thai rules.
Soo keep it stuffed if you don't know the history of the sports.
Anon, I don't really care about your history autism. I'm talking about what actually happens when you go to Muay Thai gyms and what you actually learn. I am speaking from life experience. You don't learn grappling in Muay Thai class, not anything comparable to judo or wrestling or BJJ classes. You might have like 5 minutes max on the clinch every other week in beginners classes.
> Western McThai instead of Real Myau Thai gyms in Thailand.
Kid, shut up please. You will also probably learn more stand up grappling in an actual Okinawan dojo than some McKarate Club.
Again, I don't really care about your autism or superiority complex about far lands you've never visited lol. This isn't a thread about Thailand. OP is asking what martial arts he should practice in America. He's not going to move to Thailand, you fat autist.
muay thai
boxing
judo
wrestling
kickboxing
BJJ
MMA (fuck you its a martial art now)
sambo
kudo
tldr anything that competes or at the very least does live sparring with a resisting opponent.
>karate
kyokushin is the only option. anything else is glorified tag
also this guy is absolutely right, however I would say some form of wrestling or grappling system is a must have for anyone.
I too do not have any desire to wrestle, striking arts have my heart and soul. Even just clinching in muay thai is borderline for me, the strikes and sweeps are the only saving grace. However, I know I need to learn some form of wrestling eventually. Some rulesets make it more OP than it really is, but people take that in reverse to mean its not actually that useful in an "anything goes" situation, which is wrong. If anyone is ever trying to stab you or some shit, wrestling is what will save you. You absolutely have to be able to control another person if you ever want to be able to fight.
Luckily, grappling arts are pretty bang for your buck. It doesnt take long to get good enough to defend yourself from the average dumbass who doesnt know anything. Ive heard some BJJ gyms say that their blue belt essentially means you would be able to consistently beat someone who is bigger/stronger but has no training
Kudo is a karate style m8. The founder was a world champion kyokushinka but hated the no head punch and no takedowns rules so started kudo
didnt know that, after researching you are correct. Wikipedia defines it as a mixed budo sport/art, or a hybrid art with Kyokushin and Judo being the main ancestor arts.
I would still keep it seperate in my list from karate or kyokushin though just cuz its so different both ruleset wise and aesthetically. Same reason I seperate kickboxing and muay thai
Enshin, ashihara and seidokaikan are all a similar story. Fun fact: seidokaikan actually started the K1 promotion
OP here. I'm looking at kyokushin. I want something that complements my lifting, and is more fun than running. I imagine katas (?) could be pretty meditative. I'm 30+, but most people in the dojo (?) I'm considering seem pretty old. Which is a plus. At this point in life I never end up in situations where I need to defend myseld, and besides if you do, in my country that would probably involve and adversary with a gun anyway these days...
Everything useful in ching chung is already extant in functional styles
The one you devote yourself to.
unironically i love aikido and judo but im also not exactly built for fighting and always avoid fighting if i can
I'mma come at this from a different perspective.
99.9% of the posts here are correct - if you want to real-ass fight, do real-ass fighting sports. Muay Thai, Kyokushi, BJJ, whatever. What people are really saying, basically by implication, is that most forms of tae kwon do and karate are McDojo shit - good for making friends and light exercise, bad for real-ass fighting.
That said, you should also not discount some other arts, if only for fun. I regularly fuck around with kung fu/wushu (the hardcore performative stuff, not the shit done by old people in their backyard). Except for a few weirdos, nobody is claiming that shit will save you in a streetfight, but it's a fun time.
Case in point, watch this motherfucker with a chain whip and tell me this isn't a fun workout
If you're a weight lifter like most of us on here, Wushu Southern Fist will be extremely your shit. The practitioners even wear sleeveless shirts and tend to pound around with additional weight:
Compare the above to the more beautiful and gymastics-y stuff people do with the jian:
tl;dr: my stupid dumbshit dancing with swords is fun too but it aint gonna help in a real fight
kung fu and ving chung for instance are only good if you already have a background in martial arts. If you only did ving chung your whole life you probably will get your ass kicked most of the times when facing a thai boxer. But with a solid background in muay thai before you start ving ching, you'll beat every thai boxer most of the times as you develop a new fluid style. Same goes for Kung Fu
>I imagine katas (?) could be pretty meditative
KATA is basically just a way to re wire your brain. Its a way to learn your fighting instict take over instead of having to think how to react. Don't underestimate the power of kata
I think you have a really good point - I have practiced martial arts for years, and did so well before touching kung fu/wing chun/whatever. I can only imagine that someone who started off with those would end up kinda wonky, mostly because kung fu is basically just gymnastics and wing chun is old people bullshit until you plug it into something more fight-ready.
Kata was a means to an end they were a way to keep students occupied with doing formation drills and teaching the basics of the martial arts such as technique and flow. Kung Fu originated from a time when formation fighting was the king that's why you also see the Horse Stance practiced since it strengthens one's body to withstand riding on a horse as much as it does help with one's punching and pulling motions etc.
Kata in Japanese Martial Arts is mostly same idea, formation to teach the fundamentals to the students it used to be ONE Kata that contained all the techniques before being split up into different Kata, all this came from White Crane Kung Fu (Fujian), Sanchin Kata for example came from White Crane directly to Okinawan Karate and its still practiced in modern Karate styles that do Kata practice, think of it like a warm up or body conditioning Kata.
Except kata were always bullshit which is why china got btfo in every conflict with a foreign power
If you want to use any KATA in a fight, you must do them fast, they are demonstration movements if done slowly, application or bunkai movements if done fast.
>If you want to use any KATA in a fight, you must do them fast
And with completely different stances, and without using shitty imaginary karate bunkai where same age uke can be block, hold break or LMAO choke. In other words katas are bullshit and waste of time
judo
>tfw can't do no gi judo with the boys after normal training now
Mongolian wrestling
It’s sort of like judo but looks more masculine
>more masculine
What is feminine about judo?
You’re trying to pull a man’s clothes off
No you're not. In fact, you very much want them on so you can pick them up and throw them on the ground.
>guy yanks open my shirt, exposing my chest and bare nipples
>oh no I’m not gay
Workout more and get rid of your moobs maybe you won't feel ashamed when people see your bare chest. Better yet look into Mongolian Judo.
I don’t have moobs and am not embarrassed by others seeing my bare chest.
I am gay btw
>I don’t have moobs and am not embarrassed by others seeing my bare chest. I am gay btw
Then why are you worried about being seen as what you are? Are you afraid you will get hard while sparring or something?
You have some mental issues, anon. I would go to therapy (CBT) and stop watching pornography.
Oh I didn't see you were a homosexual. Yeah lol, a (gay) coomer with mental issues just like I said. That all checks out.
These threads are always the same.
Everyone just says wrestling, boxing, BJJ, whatever they think is effective.
Do some research and find what you like.
>These threads are always the same.
>Everyone just says wrestling, boxing, BJJ, whatever
The answer doesn't change no matter how many threads are posted.
If you have the chance, go for a japanese koryu bujutsu school (nodachi jigen ryu rocks, you swing the biggest katana ever while screaming like a deranged madman).
Keeping the arts alive means being part of history, which is a plus.
Go and see for yourself. After all, that's what you gotta do eventually.
Retards and basados will speak their opinions in any way anyhow but you will not know if its good unless YOU try if for YOURSELF.
Who knows, maybe you're that genius that appears once in a 100 years or maybe not. Chances are higher that you're not, based on global statistics. But no matter how much research, how much knowledge of statistics you gain, EVENTUALLY YOU NEED TO SEE FOR YOURSELF.
So that question you asked is pointless in the grand scheme of things, simply due to nobody else being you.
Now go and experience if karate or whatever is good. Good luck, Anon and find your way.
Just pick one. If you hate it drop out after your first minimal achievement and try another one. All roads lead to podcasting anyway (not before mma).
Consider Kyakushin Karate if you want your karate to work in a real fight, the added benefit is that wile this style is very demanding and you will get hit with some very powerful punches, kicks and low kicks you won't have to worry about brain injury because punches to the head are rare.
judo is best.
krav maga
I've done karate for years. It's not a bit 80s, it's got a history way beyond that. I find it to be incredibly well-rounded with lots of striking, grappling, and bag work to keep you busy. Your experience depends on the instructor and style. For what it's worth, I practice Shito-Ryu.