>be you
>still in your “upright rows are bad for your shoulders” phase
Why havent you taken the uproght row pill yet IST? Dont tell me you still believe that athleanX video you saw years ago
>be you. >still in your upright rows are bad for your shoulders phase
I tried to do it once and I could feel my shoulders getting snapped. No need to do this meme exercise when lat raises exist
>yeah I’ll just stick to one exercise for this body part for the rest of my life and barely see progress in weight year to year
Try dumbbells, different grip widths, different bar types, pull height, etc and feel the joy of being able to progressive overload on the most stubborn muscle
>>yeah I’ll just stick to one exercise for this body part for the rest of my life and barely see progress in weight year to year
This but for me it's pullups
Take the alternating dumbbell upright rowpill. No more shoulder pain
upper part is external rotation and shitctrap exercise. they imo have potential to be good for shoulders by sfrenghtening external rotators. heavy upright rows with wide grip to bit velow nipples are extremely good for side delts. they are like squat for side delts. if you wanted heavy compound for side delts this is it. forget cleans and other oly conortions. more effort and risk tgan it is worth for casual lifter
I've got alien length arms and it feels weird in my shoulders.
This. It doesn’t feel like a natural movement even though it seems like it should be.
To me it doesn’t seem like it should be a natural movement, it looks and feels weird as fuck
>It doesn’t feel like a natural movement
Every movement is a natural movement, the problem is that most people are so tight and internally rotated that upright rows feel weird and uncomfortable.
Same with people who have tight and weak hips who say that squatting feels uncomfortable.
go higher reps 15-30. Vary grip until something more comfortable. The exercise may be uncomfortable at first but feels better over time. go light, don't max it, get used to it first.
tried 'em once, felt bad. used ez bar, maybe i'll try dbs some time
do it with bands or do snatch grip high pulls
>snatch grip high pulls
These and muscle cleans, unlimited shoulder gains
i always liked them too - especially with a single heavy kettlebell. also arnold press who is rumored another shoulder killer feels nice too.
i think most of this stems from retards doing weight they cannot control ripping their shoulders apart.
Vertical presses are superior and I am not the kind of man who wastes his time with inferior bullshit.
Depends on the person composition. I used to do these but never felt great. Tried them again two or three times in the last few years, they felt ok at best but mostly kind of bad.
it's a weird fucking exercise. I do it till over head like Israetel recommends and I don't know if it's because I do too much shoulder volume weekly but often times I just can't pull ANYTHING above 20kg that I usual pull for 10 AT ALL - and my left elbow weirdly goes WAY higher than the right one and something near it aches and it's a shit show
Even though I like the exercise itself
I think you're only supposed to lift until your arms are parallel with the floor... any higher than that and you're liable to really hurt your rotator cuff
The big clue on these is;
>lead with your elbows
>stay in scapular plane
The exact ROM you reach, grip width etc is all personal. You follow those two things then do whatever feels best.
What's a scapular plane
> stay in scapular plane
In English pls
Did them for a few weeks, then subbed them with lateral raises because I can superset those with curls and a triceps extension.
I don't do any side delt isolation
If you can do these without shoulder problems this is what will make you grow.
I'm doing 180lbs upright rows while lateral raisecels are fucking around with their 30lbs dumbells.
Guess who has the bigger shoulders?
con't
also be aware of elbow problems. Upright rows are an eblow tendonitis prone movement compared to lat raises
I tried it recently and it hurt my shoulders. If you can do it without pain all the power to you though
You can also do it without pain if you are patient and build it up slowly.
Personally i do them chest suported in a 90 degree bench.. it feels safer and better for me.. i can isolate the delts more
this shit can rip your labrum up. The only way to fix a labrum tear is surgery. A labrum tear will exponentially increase your chances of arthritis down the road plus it will cause chronic pain that will last a lifetime.
pic is my hip labrum being repaired, the surgery failed and I'll likely have pain my entire life and I also have femoral and pudendal nerve damage as a result of the surgery. In the case of the shoulder, your brachial plexus is put at risk, and you may wake up with a paralyzed arm.
>this shit can rip your labrum up.
proof? Evidence? Case studies? Anything?
if you have had an X ray on both your shoulders and your humerus does not have any boney impingement, then yes you can do these exercises. If you haven't you won't know until you're in pain, and by then it'll be too late.
Well that is wrong and its been disproven so. Stop believing and saying things which are not true i guess?
it's really just kinesiology, although I doubt people here have any modicum of physical knowledge or training.
It's actually apart of one of the tests for a labrum tear in which the arm is internally rotated and resisted against. I doubt you know anything about physical therapy or have done any study into anatomy or lifting, but this is also known as an empty can position.
>been disproven so
I would love to see your evidence because I want to laugh at how retarded you are for posting it.
>I would love to see your evidence
And i would love you see yours....
anyone that knows anything about hip or shoulder labrums will know that internal rotation under load is one of the best ways to rip the labrum. If there is a boney impingement on either one, it will act like a cheese grater against it.
I'd have to post physical therapy textbooks here and I can't.
>try pic related
>pain
uh oh bros. What do I do?
I do deadhangs daily and they made my shoulder feel a lot better but it still pops and clicks a lot, especially when doing the eccentric part of a chinup. Pullups are fine. No pain since I started doing the hangs but if I internally rotate it to scratch my back for example it fucking explodes.
Good to know. Still worth it for the gainz!
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Honest to god bro giving a dude nerve damage from a hip or shoulder arthroscopy is just low skill
>t. Ortho surgeon
well, to be fair, I had pudendal neuralgia to begin with, and you can see from the pictures it's a pretty large tear, so I had some irritation in my femoral nerve to begin with.
The biggest issues I have now are the pudendal nerve irritation, sartorious pain at the myotendinous junction, and tibialis pain, so the origin of the pain may not be femoral nerve, it could just be biomechanical changes to my gait.
But ya, to have lasting pudendal nerve issues plus a failure of the surgery is about a 1/80,000 chance. It's about a 1/20 chance to have the surgery fail, but it's like a 1/4000 to have lasting pudendal palsy.
The ortho PTs I had told me that they've seen someone's brachial plexus damaged for very minimally invasive shoulder surgery.
I’m sorry you drew the short straw anon, but to be level with you nobody gets nerve damage without someone fucking up, those PTs have no idea what happened in the OR. I’ve tickled people’s nerves for the shits and giggles and at most they lose sensation for a few weeks, nerve damage for life? Somebody fucked up.
well, if you looked at the date, it hasn't even been a year yet, so there certainly is still time for regeneration.
In regards to the pudendal nerve, I have full feeling in my dick, even with light touch, it's just my dick head is numb to temperature. I got full blown pudendal palsy and it took about 5 months for most of the feeling to return.
In regards to the suspected femoral nerve damage, it's all just pain, so the nerve may just be irritated or it may be due to the fact that I still have a tear. Here's the radiology report.
We’ve talked before I remember asking if you lost feeling in your ass too. There is a typo in your report, impression number 2 should say femur not humerus. Just get the labrum fixed again non arthro, good old surgery. Otherwise just live with the pain till you get arthroplasty.
I did not lose feeling in my ass, when I first woke up from surgery about 3/4 of my scrotum and 1 testicle was numb along with my entire dick, then it just improved from there. I don't think the injury was proximal, I think it was near the ischial tuberosity / alcock's canal where the perineal post was.
Revision surgery sounds bad tbh. The pain has steadily been improving, the tear was due to a capsular adhesion and I think I was able to rip that a few weeks ago, I was exercising then I went to internally rotate and externally rotate my hip and when I externally rotated my hip I felt a quick sharp pain, no popping or anything and since then the stiffness I would get in external rotation has been gone. The biggest thing now is the sartorious pain and the tibialis pain, and of course the pudendal pain.
I'm very active and I'm already consuming vitamin C and collagen for joint health, so hopefully that will be enough to stop any articular degeneration. I also don't want to deal with TFL / more glute medius issues which would likely be a problem with open surgery. I think the fact that it failed once probably shows I'm predisposed to adhesions and to go in there again and have it fail again would be even more devastating.
I have been doing these for years and have zero problems so far. Do you people just have shit form on everything?
Do any kind of row and you'll target the muscles much better. If you want to target your mid-lower traps you want to do Y's or high rows. There is no reason to do this movement because there are better exercises for the muscles involved and it puts your shoulder at risk. This doesn't mean that everyone that does them is going to snap their shit.
>Do you people just have shit form on everything?
Yes, shit form, shit mobility but most importantly, people try to go waaaaaay too high with the bar.
You don't need to bring it up to your nose, bringing it up to your sternum is good enough if you have questionable mobility.
I don't do these because I do behind the neck press for side delts instead. Why do a row for side delts when I can do a press?
Because rows are fun. Then you can listen to old timey pirate songs while daydreaming during the rows.
Rows for the hoes anon, thats how you pull
Upright rows are fine.