>been lifting 6 years natty...

>been lifting 6 years natty... for this

it's over bros
I either roid or just simply kill myself

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    you have to go back

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nice looking closet

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      they guy doesnt even own clothes.
      All he has is his Mickey Mouse underwear or whatever that is.
      Being dyel is the least of his problems

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        it was a hotel room

        >4x8 reps, using 80% of my max rep
        Have you tried going for sets of 10?
        also, please do more isolation work. Strentgh-based routines do frick-all for aesthetics.

        what kind of isolation you'd recommend?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >what kind of isolation you'd recommend?
          Don't take my advise for granted but I've had tremendous success with isolating shoulders, biceps, forearms, glutes, quads etc.
          make sure you have a solid split that works each muscle group 2x/week. Don't tire yourself with compounds expecting to put on size.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    this isn't you. this is probably someone who's been lifting for like a few months

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

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    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it's my fresh picture
      I am low test (400 ng/ml) and probably that is the reason

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >I am low test
        how old are you? the lack of body hair is a dead giveaway for low test

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          28

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            it's over

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >I am low test (400 ng/ml)
        that's normal and well within reference range you coper haha
        also it's ng/dl

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          > that's normal
          just like being overweight is normale amirite?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            no, dumb frogposter

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              73% of NA are overweight

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                44%*

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                > mixing obese and overweight up

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                overweight is not part of reference range brainlet, it's called 'overweight'

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                > nooo think of the reference rangerinoo
                kek - do you really think that a testo level of 265 is ok? It's part of the ~~*reference range*~~ after all!

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Keep on trying to move goalposts dumbass.
                300ng/dl is the bottom of reference range for most places and now you're trying to equate 265ng/dl to 400ng/dl, something out of reference range to something solidly within reference range.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                > something solidly within reference range
                homie, the range is 300 to 1,000 - even according to your already skewed model 400 is on the lower end. Men are supposed to have 15+ times as much testo as women, not 5 times as much. 400 is not healthy no matter what Dr Basedberg told you

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >is on the lower end
                *of reference range and well over 100ng/dl above the bottom of the range. It's fine, not ideal, but absolutely fine.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                if 400 is fine and 300 is within ~~*the range*~~ then why do they advise people with klinefelter to start HRT if they drop below 350?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >why are people with sex chromosome abnormalities different from the average Joe???

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If you want to remain ignorant, so be it. Enjoy your "healthy" 300ngs of T and being mogged by FtM trannies

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm 750ng/dl

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                makes it even worse - you're like a dyel telling fatties that they "look fine". Shame on you

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >he's still coping

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              400 is "normal" if you're like 50 bro...

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah the standards are low. Honestly anything under 600 is pretty subpar. Assuming OP is under 35.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Should I TRT if I have 450 test?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You didnt do any compounds or didnt bother to try to progress on them. Your legs and core are horribly underdeveloped. Your genetics dont even look that bad you just neglected 75% of the muscles in your body and probably paid 0 attention to your diet

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I do squat, bench press, OHP, pull ups, barbell rows

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            what are you're one rep maxes

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No way youre doing over 2 plates for any of those which is shameful for 6 years of lifting

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            you need to go up in weight. what kind of rep ranges are you working with?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Listen to this anon:

          You've been lifting for 6 years? Sure. I believe that. But I don't think you were TRAINING for 6 years. You've maybe trained for 4 months. How much are you progressively overloading? Do you only use machines? You clearly never squatted heavy or deadlifted heavy, otherwise you'd have a huge back. Your bench is also sub 3-plate, a milestone expected for someone of your bw who had been training seriously for at least 3 years. The frick did you expect would happen if you never learned to do barbell exercises? This is exactly what I'd expect for someone who never trained.

          https://startingstrength.com/article/training_vs_exercise

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >You clearly never squatted heavy or deadlifted heavy
            >huga back
            Not OP but I though squats and deadlifts were useless for building a wider back.
            Deadlifts are a meme lift, btw. Squats are good but you need good technique.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Deadlifts are a meme lift
              This is how I know you're still relatively new to lifting. Deadlifting being dangerous is a myth perpetuated by ISTtards who have no clue how to lift properly. Squatting will probably frick with more people than deadlifting ever will. Just get a coach to train you on deadlift form. Done properly, deadlifting will not hurt you at all. Source- my body after deadlifting (RIP for never training my chest)

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                post your routine please

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ran Starting Strength until I got 1/2/3/3.5 (took roughly 4 months), then ran a Texas Method variation for 14 months. Gained 50lbs, cut 25 of those. This is the result of "non-hypertrophy" training, meaning all I did was lift for strength. Got my OHP to 207.5lbs, Bench to 275lbs, Squat to 400lbs, Deadlift to 475lbs. My chest is a bit under-developed because TM isn't great for chest growth, but it made transitioning to a hypertrophy program yield amazing results bc I can do high reps at heavy weights.

                >Done properly, deadlifting will not hurt you at all.
                Ok, redpill me on why the deadlift is so useful.
                I find it way too fatiguing for the muscle response. There are so many factors that can frick you up with a deadlift, there is very high risk for little reward.
                >Source- my body after deadlifting (RIP for never training my chest)
                you don't show any of the deadlifting muscle, why should I believe you?.

                >I find [deadlifting] way too fatiguing for the muscle response.
                Suck it up. Nothing worth doing is easy. Deadlifting IS fatiguing, and that's why it makes for such an amazing growth tool. It primarily targets the lowerback, but also develops traps, spinal erectors, lats, and hamstrings. My neck is big because I deadlifted heavy for reps. A back that can deadlift 500lbs is a big back.
                >There are so many factors that can frick you up with a deadlift
                There's so many factors for driving a car that can frick you up. Doesn't mean you shouldn't take a driving course to do it properly. Any moron in a vehicle will crash and burn, but once you have the basics, you're smooth sailing. Don't be stupid, hire a coach. Then you'll be set for life. No coach? Then go on form checks until you get it, but it'll take you alot longer. Don't hide from useful exercises because of the risks. Confront them, and make sure you're not being moronic. Then you'll reap the benefits and minimize the rewards.
                >you don't show any of the deadlifting muscle
                You think a neck like mine came from something else? All I did was bench, OHP, squat, and deadlift. Only the deadlifts would target those. If you don't deadlift heavy enough, your traps won't be engaged.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Then you'll reap the benefits and minimize the rewards.
                Meant to say minimize the RISKS.

                damn bro if you flex any harder you’re gonna poop yourself

                I'll shit mountains before I ever stop flexing. We're all gonna make it.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Done properly, deadlifting will not hurt you at all.
                Ok, redpill me on why the deadlift is so useful.
                I find it way too fatiguing for the muscle response. There are so many factors that can frick you up with a deadlift, there is very high risk for little reward.
                >Source- my body after deadlifting (RIP for never training my chest)
                you don't show any of the deadlifting muscle, why should I believe you?.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Not OP but all those muscles are deadlifting muscles.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >all those muscles are deadlifting
                nuh uh

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Look at dem traps tho lawdy lawd

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                how do i develop these muscles

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                hanging leg raises and ab wheels (WARNING: INJURY RISK! ONLY RED AB WHEEL IS HARD ENOUGH)

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >(WARNING: INJURY RISK! ONLY RED AB WHEEL IS HARD ENOUGH)
                Pussy
                BLACK AB WHEEL OR A BROKEN SPIN
                THOSE ARE YOUR CHOICES

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Oblique yourself

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Lift for a strength foundation, then do whatever hypertrophy program you want. I'd suggest getting 1/2/3/4 down for reps, that'll already give you a decent frame. I aimed for 2/3/4/5, and the results were wonderful (even though I fell short of them, I got 1.92, 2.8, 3.99, 4.7)

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Mirin

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                damn bro if you flex any harder you’re gonna poop yourself

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >be deadlift shill
                >oversized traps
                >underdeveloped chest
                This is the fate of a deadlift specialist

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Deadlift is still a shit lift regardless for hypertrophy.
                Now RDLs is where the money is at. You can do em at much higher intensities.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I do rack-pulls instead. Easier to do, plus I rack pull so much heavier than I deadlift. It prolly contributed alot to hypertrophy tbh.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Then what do you do for the hammies?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Deadlift/Squat the same day.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You made 6 months worth of progressin 6 years. but who cares anyway

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        do you eat your vegetables anon?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        1 raw onion a day keeps the gain goblins away.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        if that's all you had on in the picture.. what are you wearing now?

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    All you gotta do is cut niggity wiggity

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Do you pay attention to your diet at all? You just have some excess bodyfat by the looks of things. I'm not an expert, but I think this anon is right:

      It also looks like you might have some anterior pelvic tilt which might affect some things idk

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I do care about my diet, got around of 2g proteins/kg. Right now I am trying to cut. The problem is that whenever I bulk, I gain huge amont of fat around my waist/chest (like a girl)

        also thanks for the tip about anterior pelvic tilt. I might have it. how do I fix it?

        what are you're one rep maxes

        ok so maxes:
        >chest press
        85kg
        >deadlift
        120kg
        >squat
        115kg
        >barbell row
        75kg

        you need to go up in weight. what kind of rep ranges are you working with?

        4x8 reps, using 80% of my max rep

        https://i.imgur.com/8r2Szi7.png

        Frankly, this. Also more cardio, deadlift, and leg raises like pic to target your lower abs. Looks like you just do crunches to target abs.

        thanks

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That looks like the numbers of someone with your body.
          Get stronger?
          There's literally no reason you can't just run 5x5 or something till 1/2/3/4

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >4x8 reps, using 80% of my max rep
          Have you tried going for sets of 10?
          also, please do more isolation work. Strentgh-based routines do frick-all for aesthetics.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          homie I've been lifting for like 8 months and my bench 1rm is 95kg...
          6 YEARS??? WTF ARE YOU DOING MAN?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            chest press is the worst for me, I literally cannot progress

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >chest press is the worst for me
              do dips or flat DB bench

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          What are you eating for protein. Not all protein is made equal. If you are eating store bought protein bars they are usually loaded with s o y.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Mostly chicken breast, eggs, cottage cheese
            I do care about my diet, 90-95% is healthy, like oats, bananas, brown rice, a lot of veggies like broccoli etc.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Eggs and cottage cheese are great, but chicken is really not that great and it is usually filled with a ton of hormones. If you are having problems with your testosterone you probably want to switch that up. Also the protein from stuff like oat and rice is pretty much worthless. It is fine and healthy to eat I just wouldn't even bother counting any of it in my daily protein. At best count it at half your normal protein as that is about how much compared to meat your body can turn into actual muscle mass.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Will changing chicken to turkey will make a difference in my T?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Turkeys usually get the same hormones, but it is worth a try. Raw onion can improve test too so try to eat some everyday. I have even heard sunning your balls can improve your test.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >chest press
          >85kg
          My obese friend was benching 110kg after 3 months. You've been doing for SIX YEARS and can't even get to 90?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Frankly, this. Also more cardio, deadlift, and leg raises like pic to target your lower abs. Looks like you just do crunches to target abs.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >skinnyfat dyel
    this is unironically user error

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    ease off the soda, fatass

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >visibly overweight

    Your diet is shit.

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    More like 6 years of on-off training. Do you even go to failure?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This. That’s a body of a “I’ve had 2 month of deload and still feel tired”.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/d6hLpAE.jpg

      Brother not to pile on but I’ve been in the gym not even half as long as you and look crazy different than you. Maybe it’s the fat that you’re holding onto that is skewing my perception. Bro-split, to failure every set, first compound for strength all other lifts for hypertrophy. Do you work out with any intensity at all? How often are you needing to rest between sets - like actually needing to catch your breath for a minute or so? You have decent muscle on arms. I am also like 8 years older than you and have about the same test level(490 whatever).

      You look like someone who did lift but not challenge himself. You need to work harder.
      Also arms mid pec and shoulders look not too bad also looks like without a pump. Natty always look much smaller without pump

      These anons are right OP. I had a very similar situation to you. I have made more progress in the last year than in the 5 before it by increasing my intensity and tracking RPE. Compounds go to 8/9 RPE and anything safe to fail on or higher reps goes to 9.5/10.
      I would bet you are scared to increase intensity because you are doing lots of compounds where failure is a bit sketchy, and you are too focused on getting the number of reps you're "supposed to" rather than exhausting that muscle.
      Do some accessory work. Machines, cables, DBs. Fail and then fail on a dropset.

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Brother not to pile on but I’ve been in the gym not even half as long as you and look crazy different than you. Maybe it’s the fat that you’re holding onto that is skewing my perception. Bro-split, to failure every set, first compound for strength all other lifts for hypertrophy. Do you work out with any intensity at all? How often are you needing to rest between sets - like actually needing to catch your breath for a minute or so? You have decent muscle on arms. I am also like 8 years older than you and have about the same test level(490 whatever).

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    RDLs are S tier for glutes and DLs offer a reliable way to add back thickness, build up your traps (which are neglected by everyone except people who accidentally build them by deadlifting), improve your entire posterior chain and fix your posture problems. All that in one exercise is pretty juicy.

    You're right that normal deadlifts fatigue the
    frick out of you, so doing normal DLs more than once a week isn't a great idea for most people.

    I personally never go beyond 3 sets per week on DL because it absolutley cooks me. Doing frequent 5x5 DLs isn't productive if you aren't a powerlifter.

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >natty follows a roidtroony brosplit, training more than 3 times a week
    >ends up a skinnyfat mess

    Tale as old as father time himself.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      post body

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous
    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      so what's your advice? what routine should op follow

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I've reached the natty peak and after 15 years of lifting I've developed the ideal natty training routine, but I'm not really in the sharing mood, maybe next week

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You need to lift heavier weights.

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    you need to garlicmaxx

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You look like someone who did lift but not challenge himself. You need to work harder.
    Also arms mid pec and shoulders look not too bad also looks like without a pump. Natty always look much smaller without pump

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    are you moronic? give us the details on your diet and workouts? I've been working out since October and basically look the same as you.

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    another thread with troony hormone level obession

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it's diet
    you're going to have to lose more weight than you are comfortable doing, to the point your loved ones will worry about you
    then you're going to have to go back up... painfully slowly

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >read through thread

    I've been lifting for a year. I've not attempted doing 1 rep bench press but doing 5 reps of 80kg is fricking difficult for me.. I permanently fricked up my left shoulder in a snowboarding accident but still.. why is everyone so strong.

  19. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Kek, you got the body of an average blue collar worker, those guys don't lift at all.

  20. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >all this cope it
    Why can't you homosexuals accept the fact that some people are just genetic dead-ends? In OP's case he's probably low T.
    Some people can only build muscle by pinning steroids and there's nothing wrong with it.

  21. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    average gym goer gains. you need to maximize sleep, prioritize nutrition, count your calories, learn how to really burn out the muscle, monitor your rest times and have a legit goal. do you want to prioritize strength or look good with your clothes off? you cant just do none of these and expect results. and remember you cant have have mass and be lean, and if youre super lean you wont have the strentgh to lift heavy. dont listen to a single gay here who will tell you to eat more, thats literal crab bucket mentality.

  22. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >bro is running a moronic split like brosplit, ppl, uluu or some shit for 6 years
    >natty all the way
    >surprised he looks like shit
    That's why you do SL or SS then you go do madcow, texas method or a 5/3/1 variation with volume. But no, you need to be a special snowflake and you need to fall for the FOTM moronic grifts you've always been warned about. I have a friend exactly like you and the moronic is still coping that his 4 days brosplit actually works, just trust me bro TM.

  23. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Just do an intense bro split. You probably need more isolation and you need to constantly increase intensity

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      post some examples of good routines for op

  24. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    you are less than 10 pounds away from being near peak aestethics for chicks. Most women dont like roid trannies, the like lean, fit and muscular men.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I can guarantee you he is at least 30lbs away from that. People don't realise how much fat they're actually carrying.

  25. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Skinny fat
    >Incapable of cutting
    >Too afraid to bulk
    >Forever in limbo
    Many such cases!

    You should've just cut all the way to skeleton mode and then started to leanbulk, all while lifting from hard to harder

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