BJJ is shit in a streetfight

I say this as someone who does BJJ
>Most BJJ guys have shit takedowns -> some places don't even drill takedowns
>If you are a smaller person fighting a bigger person, being in closed guard = you will get slammed
>Too much focus on submissions, not enough focus on topside control and pins
>Most BJJ guys are in fact total pussies and cry if you throw them a bit too hard

If you want to take a grappling art which is more realistic for fights take wrestling or judo. Just lol if you aren't learning any standup grappling and claim you can defend yourself. In a street fight you aren't going to be fighting people your size, sitting in closed guard will get you slammed and will either injure you or force you to break your guard.

  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Judokas are ass at defending subs when rolling

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      In a streetfight a jiujitero would die. What are you going to do? Pull guard on me? You'll be forced to do standup.
      BJJ ruleset favours buttscooters like you, you pull me into guard and I break it. I have to still engage with you, I can't just stand back up and make you play standup - whereas IRL you would stand back up or take the risk and be stamped on

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Pull guard
        >Get kicked in the head until dead
        >Stand up
        >Get thrown onto your head until dead

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You don't need a whole lot of takedown skills against a non-grappler, go watch UFC1. Do whatever is more fun.

      I say this is a HS wrestler-turned-hobbyist-judoka, a sloppy BJJ single leg or morote gari is more than enough to bring the fight to the ground against a non-grappler.

      Rolling doesn't really exist in judo, because usually you bypass their guard from the throw and go straight into some flavor of side control pin. Or your cracking a turtle because, like wrestling, refs get bored of groundwork quickly

      I think judoka have pretty good armbar defense, which is worth pointing out because it's the most successful sub in BJJ, and one of the most effective across judo, mma, nogi, and bjj.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Most BJJ guys have shit takedowns
    Be the one who have good takedowns.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      If you do BJJ only, I can assure you, you will never learn how to do a takedown.
      BJJ guys just sit in their defensive posture stiff arming everyone and too scared to commit to a takedown, thing is, that stance means sure you can defend but you will never be able to throw or take someone down. After 3 failed single legs or throw attempts, BJJ bros just sit on their ass.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        This is not true, single leg takedowns and arm drags are the most common takedowns and setups in BJJ, all places where I trained (Russia, Belarus, Japan, Turkey) drill them

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Are you training gi or nogi? If you're getting armdrags on people with gi then you're up against literal noobs.
          Also training and drilling isn' the same as hitting it in a live roll. Takedowns are one of those things you need to do live, most people hesitate and don't put full commitment into the takedown and hence get stuffed.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Places influenced by Sambo and traditional folk wrestling/martial arts where the takedown is literally the main point of the sport

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >be BJJ guy
        >go to class
        >learn and drill wrestling throws and take downs all the time
        now what anon?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This is not true, single leg takedowns and arm drags are the most common takedowns and setups in BJJ, all places where I trained (Russia, Belarus, Japan, Turkey) drill them

      Streetfight martial art essentials are:

      Wrestling, obvious reasons, allows you to control whether a fighting stays standing or not, control your opponent, defend yourself against bumrush takedowns, invalidate their punching, etc.

      Lethwei, obvious reasons again, it's muy thai with headbutts and bareknuckle. The best clinching martial art there is and every street fight winds up in some sort of clinch.

      Judo, most obvious reasons, trains you to use people's clothes as a weapon to fuck them facefirst into the pavement.

      >takedown
      can't you just kick them in the face?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Well I mean it depends on what take down it is, like I mean if you kick them while looking for a double/single leg you'll be putting yourself off balanced or giving them a leg. Now body lock takedowns are whole different story and are also way more cooler

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Of course. Striking is the counter to grappling. Conversely. Grappling is the counter to striking.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I think Dillashaw used to feint a level change to set up a head kick. If you're not a hyper flexible springy leg manlet, though, it might not work for you.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Most BJJ guys are in fact total pussies and cry if you throw them a bit too hard
    Most BJJ guys are office workers who started training at their mid 30. They would be equally shit if they do judo or wrestling

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      they'd 100% toughen up doing judo or wrestling.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I saw plenty mid 30 guys coming to freestyle classes in my grappling gym, they usualy die at first workout and never come again

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          they just have to keep going then tbh, they'll eventually get used to it. I've thrown people with harai goshi in my BJJ class (these guys are 25 btw) and they all freak out as soon as they hit the floor.
          They resist the throw too much and end up getting smashed hard

          Not sure about judo though

          Judo teaches you good breakfalls and it has a different mindset/meta to wrestling.

          Streetfight martial art essentials are:

          Wrestling, obvious reasons, allows you to control whether a fighting stays standing or not, control your opponent, defend yourself against bumrush takedowns, invalidate their punching, etc.

          Lethwei, obvious reasons again, it's muy thai with headbutts and bareknuckle. The best clinching martial art there is and every street fight winds up in some sort of clinch.

          Judo, most obvious reasons, trains you to use people's clothes as a weapon to fuck them facefirst into the pavement.

          Wrestling is good, I would say learning to sprawl is essential part of grappling.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            i just dont get the obsession with street fighting from martial arts dudes lol. ive boxed for like a decade, ive fought in boxing and mt etc. like who cares? when are you ever going to get into a fight? im like an idiot and i can't for the life of me imagine a situation where im in a fight i absolutely can't avoid.

            crazy you saw lethwei on some martial arts youtube man i bet you're a human weapon

            fyi boxing is the same scam.
            thats why i got a boxing bag to just practice at home with youtube videos like a retard.

            my friend went to boxing. they made him "hit the bag" for 3 months then finally let him against some girl that beat him up.

            "just hit the bag and pay me money for 3 months bro..and then ill let this girl beat you up!. forget about learning to dodge, footwork, hitting a pad etc starting slow...just give me money"

            you cant learn anything hitting a bag off youtube lol

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              That's the problem with boxing, while it is worthwhile because of how focused it is on hand to hand striking, the problem is that getting a coach's license is a fucking joke. The gym I go to has a legit coach whose travelled the US with his amateur fighters fighting in different states, but we also got someone who got their amateur coaching license without having ever worked a corner in his life. The latter has managed to bullshit his way into getting two students, both of which have the worst footwork I've seen and this 'coach' has done nothing to correct them. Honestly this 'coach' is going to get his guys hurt, they're 160 beanpoles but he's trying to get them to fight like Mike Tyson.

              yea i know sucks without sparring or someone actually teaching you...but....better than getting garden gnomeed, beaten up (instead of trained) and learning fucking nothing because they neglect you.

              So if im gonna have some asshole scream at me instead of teach me...im better off with youtube videos.

              at least ill be able to punch harder, last without getting tired and have some "basic" technique against any average street retard.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                That's the problem with boxing, while it is worthwhile because of how focused it is on hand to hand striking, the problem is that getting a coach's license is a fucking joke. The gym I go to has a legit coach whose travelled the US with his amateur fighters fighting in different states, but we also got someone who got their amateur coaching license without having ever worked a corner in his life. The latter has managed to bullshit his way into getting two students, both of which have the worst footwork I've seen and this 'coach' has done nothing to correct them. Honestly this 'coach' is going to get his guys hurt, they're 160 beanpoles but he's trying to get them to fight like Mike Tyson.

                i just dont get the obsession with street fighting from martial arts dudes lol. ive boxed for like a decade, ive fought in boxing and mt etc. like who cares? when are you ever going to get into a fight? im like an idiot and i can't for the life of me imagine a situation where im in a fight i absolutely can't avoid.

                crazy you saw lethwei on some martial arts youtube man i bet you're a human weapon
                [...]
                you cant learn anything hitting a bag off youtube lol

                Generally you can easily become far better than any random retard who would try to fuck with you by having a friend to practice with and youtube instructionals.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You seem like an unpleasant training partner with a chip on your shoulder and a giant ego. Drilling for a few months so you can be reasonably trusted not to injure your partner and getting put up against a smaller but more-experienced partner for your first time is common. A smaller person isn't scary, so you can work in; but they have the skills to correct you and protect themselves if you spaz out.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                why would you assume that? why does it have to be my fault? i didnt had a problem with sparring partners. I had a problem with the "sensei" being a fucking yelling garden gnome.

                Im sure you have cool gyms in america and western europe.
                But here in eastern europe....literally you get asshole trainers who want to yell without realizing you lose your customers.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                depending where you are in eastern europe theres like a really good amateur boxing scene, find a decent gym, arent you fat as hell tho

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I thought eastern euros had a good amateur program, a lot of professional boxers from eastern europe often have 100's of amateur fights.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                they absolutely do, one of the most active amateur boxing scenes in the world lol and he doesnt want any part of it

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                And some of the most clean and technical boxing too.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                It sounds like you're the problem. I've trained with a Ukrainian coach for judo and a Russian coach in boxing. The Ukrainian would get fired up and yell sometimes - overall, he was a very positive coach -, and the Russian was a calm gentleman.

                You seem like a sperg who just doesn't "get it" when it comes to combat sports, or a guy with a big ego who expects to be a natural - but gets surprised when he gets smoked by people with more training time.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                blablabalbalbalbbal ok go let people yell at you bro. im sure you are competing for the world championship.

                maybe i dont like people yelling at me like i murdered someone over a simple fucking exercise? go marry a single mom too.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                How can you be from Eastern Europe and be this much of a pussy lol? You guys are supposed to not be mental midgets.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                someone yelling you at isnt that bad man, just cop it, he doesn't know anything about you outside of that context who cares. just cop it and become a decent boxer or you're just a kook because rn you just sound like a kook online

                And some of the most clean and technical boxing too.

                ya i was watching the IBA's european boxing championships last month there were such good boxers man. im from aus we're shit in comparison

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You can't learn boxing from YouTube. You need someone correcting you at all times. You will pick up all kinds of bad habits and never develop a strong technique. You might not be a match with the coach. Or you might be thin skinned. But you're wasting your time thinking you will learn anything meaningful from videos.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Do boxing for 6 to 12 months
                Learn the basics

                Quit
                Get a bag

                Hit the bag

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >i just dont get the obsession with street fighting from martial arts dudes
              I think a lot of people get into combat sports because they "want to be able to handle themselves if something went down." Not being able to fight is a pretty rational fear.

              However, if you avoid places where drunk morons congregate, your risk of getting in a fight in da streetz is negligible. And the risks of fighting in uncontrolled environments are immense, before we take into account guns and knives. It's not worth it, and you don't necessarily know how good someone is at fighting by looking at them (unless they have cauliflower ear lol).

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                i guess your assertion is reasonable. im just so burnt out on the pissing contest, who cares anymore if you're the biggest badass on IST for a thread with 5 posters because you did 4 months of muay thai

                [...]
                yea i know sucks without sparring or someone actually teaching you...but....better than getting garden gnomeed, beaten up (instead of trained) and learning fucking nothing because they neglect you.

                So if im gonna have some asshole scream at me instead of teach me...im better off with youtube videos.

                at least ill be able to punch harder, last without getting tired and have some "basic" technique against any average street retard.

                you aren't learning anything worthwhile man. just find a good gym. there are more gyms in the world then the one your mate went to. you will have to develop not just punch technique but reflexes, coordination, the mental ability to be calm under pressure, an understanding of boxing strategy, a little bit of dog etc etc

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                and now you understand my problem.
                i want to learn to fight "somewhat" to get past my fear.
                But should i spent 24x60$ (2 years) taxes on a boxing gym? 1560$. And they are gonna make me buy shoes, better gloves, helmet, pants, just to garden gnome me more.

                Or can i just watch youtube videos and work my bag that costed 150$ with gloves and a hook. Sometimes its just not worth learning to fight "that good"

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                maybe given your mental faculties as they exist already you should forget about boxing you aint need any more hits to the head mate

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                what did i say exactly...that was so wrong tht you decided to jab at my "psyche"?
                you know what...go argue with someone else bro.
                my life is good. i dont need that shit.
                go argue and be mental to someone else.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                like you just cannot really learn to box in any meaningful way off youtube tutorials and a boxing bag man lol. you can do like cardio box inspired workouts or something but its not even a quarter of the way to 'knowing how to box' or whatever.

                if you goal is to be more comfortable with the idea of a streetfight or something youd be better off giving your mate gloves and just fighting eachother so you're less gunshy

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >But should i spent 24x60$ (2 years) taxes on a boxing gym? 1560$. And they are gonna make me buy shoes, better gloves, helmet, pants, just to garden gnome me more.
                Yes. $60/month is extremely reasonable for combat sports coaching. The club will often supply gloves and headgear, but many people end up buying their own. Unless you're competing, you don't need boxing shorts. You do need shoes; you should buy those first - but $60-100 is quite reasonable for sport-specific shoes.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                the average salarey in bulgaria is 650$ a month.
                rent is 250$
                why dont i drag your ass in here and see if you can afford 60$ a month.

                no i mean, i can....but its still bullshit for what you are getting.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Not sure about judo though

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Streetfight martial art essentials are:

    Wrestling, obvious reasons, allows you to control whether a fighting stays standing or not, control your opponent, defend yourself against bumrush takedowns, invalidate their punching, etc.

    Lethwei, obvious reasons again, it's muy thai with headbutts and bareknuckle. The best clinching martial art there is and every street fight winds up in some sort of clinch.

    Judo, most obvious reasons, trains you to use people's clothes as a weapon to fuck them facefirst into the pavement.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    While on BJJ subject, I'm on my third class and I always get beat.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      That's totally normal anon, just work on defence, escaping and survivng

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      pizza guy here.
      it took me 3 months to realize i was being garden gnomeed and wasting my time.

      i wanted to learn to kill people on the street, not compete in a tournament where i ahve to wear a "gi" and play by a ruleset.

      dont get me wrong..they can still destroy me...but it doesnt make sense to keep paying 40$ a month for 2 years just to learn a few arm-bars

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        $40 a month? Damn that's a steal.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          yea..how would you like to come where i trained and have some manlet yell at you angry like hes preparing you for the championship, then neglecting you and garden gnomeing you at every corner.

          if you cant explain shit to me without screaming like a retard why would i pay you $$$ every month. i want to learn to fight people on the street, not prepare for a tournament

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            sounds like a regular krav maga "course".
            getting yelled at while doing 50 push-ups, just for kicking someone in the balls and running away. so manly. so tough.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >i want to learn to fight people on the street, not prepare for a tournament
            Welcome to modern martial arts. Its all a sport

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >train for years to dab on untrained peasant in a street fight
              >some guy finally starts shit
              >about to stomp him
              >he pulls out this

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      fyi boxing is the same scam.
      thats why i got a boxing bag to just practice at home with youtube videos like a retard.

      my friend went to boxing. they made him "hit the bag" for 3 months then finally let him against some girl that beat him up.

      "just hit the bag and pay me money for 3 months bro..and then ill let this girl beat you up!. forget about learning to dodge, footwork, hitting a pad etc starting slow...just give me money"

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        That's the problem with boxing, while it is worthwhile because of how focused it is on hand to hand striking, the problem is that getting a coach's license is a fucking joke. The gym I go to has a legit coach whose travelled the US with his amateur fighters fighting in different states, but we also got someone who got their amateur coaching license without having ever worked a corner in his life. The latter has managed to bullshit his way into getting two students, both of which have the worst footwork I've seen and this 'coach' has done nothing to correct them. Honestly this 'coach' is going to get his guys hurt, they're 160 beanpoles but he's trying to get them to fight like Mike Tyson.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          the problem with boxing coaching is the prevalence of like padwork focused instagram boxfit coaches, but man even then they fufill a need for mums and shit who wanna get a cardio workout and have some fun and not actually be boxers. like there is a million shit boxing coaches out there. the good ones are generally trackable through local amateur circuits etc.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Doing MMA BJJ is far better. Pure BJJ is basically like full body arm wrestling. Most guys who train just pure BJJ leave themselves open to getting fucking hammered by elbows and fists.

    In general the value of BJJ has been V A S T L Y overblown by the UFC which has a ruleset that was literally developed by the Gracies to benefit and favour BJJ. If the UFC allowed kicks to a grounded opponent the lean towards BJJ as a necessity would disintegrate.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      > If the UFC allowed kicks to a grounded opponent the lean towards BJJ as a necessity would disintegrate.
      good ol pride fc era

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Plenty of BJJ practitioners found success under Pride rules. I don't know wtf that guy is on about. Unless he thinks BJJ is just guard pulling.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    entirely depends on what kind of gym you are rolling in, we are an MMA gym and we frequently drill takedowns, and we have tons of guys who cross train MMA which makes our rolling really intense as they all have a ton of pride and fight tooth and nail to not get tapped or even thrown in rolling

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >having pride in being an entry level MMAfag

      Sounds cringe.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        well it makes it even more funny to see how much they seethe when they get submitted by someone who trains for a far shorter time in bjj

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    is this allowed in BJJ? seems unstoppable if you are stronger and not allowed to punch

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Tuck chin, inside grip at biceps / elbows / or wrist control would make that choke hard to do.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      no, it's not because it's op, also vid:

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Thanks, now I'm mad for the rest of the day.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's really bad because if you just buck your hips and the other person keeps their hands on your neck, they will fall over and slam their face into the ground. Then you can easily get on their back and give them a real choke (rear-naked choke).

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The armbar from mount is the king of submissions. If you just want to make someone miserable, the forearm to the throat doesn't open up your wrist to being grabbed and manipulated - and makes it harder to be bucked off.

      The rape choke is really stupid.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's called the rape choke and yes, BJJ has problems with it. You can spot the BJJ noobs ITT because they claim it's easy to counter. In reality, it's considered a dirty, hard to counter technique, that's why most orgs ban it.

      In Vale Tudo, it was used for guard passing:

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >here's how you pass a guard when the uke is completely still
        >here's how you pass a guard with fully extended arms
        >this technique is a hard to counter forbidden technique
        Nice. Tell me how many times have you done that or anything similar to a training partner blue belt or higher? I eagerly await your response.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >grab thumbs, peel arms, shrimp out, take back
        >hip bump sweep
        >block one arm as he extends both arms, arm bar or triangle
        Took me 2 minutes to come up with 3 easy answers to this.

        Why is this technique banned? Obviously not because it's so powerful and hard to counter (only someone who has never done BJJ before would think this), but obviously because if this was legal you would essentially be legalizing throat punching.

        Hmm why don't BJJ tournaments want people punching others in the throat? I have no idea. Must be a forbidden OP grappling technique.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        you talk shit, bridge to make them base on the mat, or even a strong bridge and roll will topple them if they don't release the choke. and thats only if they are in mount, if they try that in your guard it's armbar all day

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      If you are in full Mount you can upa escape easily. If you try that in guard you're begging to be armbarred or triangled

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      If you get this you were already good enough to get and keep mount, so kind of a moot point as far as "is BJJ shit?" is concerned.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    BJJ is great but I'd say take down defense, striking, and actual throws / take downs are just as important.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Who are some kino mma bjj you tubers to watch? I only watch hard2hurt

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    wrong
    i got in a fight with some retard last year
    i wanted to back off but he chased me down
    he started to swing and got some punches in on the top of my head but after we both ended up on the ground because we stumbled while we both grapped at each other
    he was on top im on the ground
    if i didnt knew bjj he would have punched me bloody
    i took im into an armbar however and instantly pulled through for break his arm
    fight was over after that and i ditched

    there is a thousand ways this could have gone and bjj could ahve been usless i agree
    or if he had friends with him
    but the more ways you know to defend yourself the better
    martial arts are generally not very good in streetfights if its
    >2 or more vs 1
    >the enemy has a weapon
    >the enemy is way bigger and stronger than you

    thats like saying boxing is shit for a streetfight because the enemy could kick you

    bjj has its usecase which is on the ground and if your opponent doesnt know bjj you can get him into a hold pretty easy

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >spend time and money training various martial arts
    >some guy bigger and stronger than you can completely invalidate it

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      or any guy with a car can just drive through you

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yup, size+strength is op.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      There's two sides to this. I spent 4 years wrestling in highschool. I have done jiu jitsu and kickboxing for a while. I have also thrown a guy much heavier and taller than me who tried to fight me.

      Rudimentary fighting skills will actually put you far ahead of the general public.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        What made tubby tee off on the moron lol? Usual nigging?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          he didn't relax

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          argument over who had the nicer green shirt, tubby was aggravated because moron's shirt wasn't even a shirt it was a vest but moron kept saying it was a shirt and it was nice than tubby's

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >t. I have never spent time and money training various martial arts
      Can you gays fuck off from every martial art thread on IST? Seriously the worst type of people—arrogant, loud, AND ignorant of the subject.

      Or instead of watching YouTube videos like a small little gay you can go to your nearest boxing/BJJ/Judo/MMA gym and challenge the weakest smallest instructor there.

      Keep us posted.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Anyone else watch fight videos on /gif/ and thinks about ways to get out of it?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      In my own adult life I've avoided fights by either walking away or joking.

      Once when I was in HS I went to a football game. I had to go to the bathroom so I walked across the field to the restrooms. When I left the restroom a crowd of 40 or so black people started circling me and the tallest one asked me if I was from around there. He said he didn't like people using his bathroom. He got in my face and I smelled strawberry starburst and I said, "Man, your breath smells like strawberry starburst" and he started laughing, said I was "alright" and shook my hand. If I was stupid and tried to escalate or fight I'd have probably been beaten retarded.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Best combat sport in a street fight technically speaking is Myau Thai combined with Judo.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I honestly think regular wrestling is better training than Judo in a lot of ways. Especially since simple ties and throws from standing work whether the person is naked or wearing a trenchcoat

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Greco-Roman is pretty good not going to argue however finding a good gym is harder than finding a decent Judo gym. There's also a lot of BJJ/Judo cross-over in dojo teachers so they can teach you grappling if you just ask them on some free time.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Even shoot wrestling/ folkstyle are quite good. I've learned a lot of throws from standing just in highschool wrestling (though these throws have tons of crossover with judo, which I've started recently)

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The Judo schools if they are good can teach you No Gi ways to grab since most Judo throws are just like greco/freestyle throws just using the pulling movement of the clothes rather than brute force, you just got to adjust your way of grabbing a little bit to get good at those. Not everyone has time to take off their shirt for a street fight.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >if they are good
              A good Judo schools teaches you to be good at the sport of judo. Will nogi throws help you win judo matches? Not vs drilling sleeve and lapel uchimata a million times in all sorts of conditions and setups.

              Nogi is an afterthought at best, because good judo schools want to make you good at the sport of judo. You have a mythologized view of sport that can only come from someone who doesn't train it.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Seen videos of good coaches that can teach the self-defense applications because Judo was formed out of self-defense ideas of Jujutsu that was used to take down street thugs/hooligans and which is being taught under Taihoujutsu (arresting techniques) to police.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >seen videos
                Thank you for admitting that you don't train. Judo is a great sport for self defense. If you can blast someone with osoto or seoi-nage on the mats, you can do it for da streetz.

                But self-defense is a tertiary concern and historical curiosity, much like it is for the sport of wrestling. If you go into a wrestling room because you "want be be ready to throw down, if something were to happen", you would be laughed at - and deservedly so. Unless you're training with Japanese cops, you aren't doing arresting techniques.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                No Judo was created by studying about 11 different schools of JuJitsu and then taking the crap out and taking the stuff that can't be practiced without causing injury out
                JuJitsu being the hand to hand combat styles that Samurai used

                It's literally ancient Japanese combatives, not for-da-streets self defence

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >A good Judo schools teaches you to be good at the sport of judo
                do they? if you are older than 12 you'll never ever compete in the sport of judo

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                t. Chang-Woo Park

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Something to grab makes wrestling shots a lot harder. This is why, if you watch sambo or <2010 judo, you don't see a lot of wrestling-style doubles, singles, and high crotches. The level change is really difficult when someone has a grip, and the back grip in particular opens up sacrifice throw options.

        I think the low single works well in a clothed grappling context.

        Greco-Roman is pretty good not going to argue however finding a good gym is harder than finding a decent Judo gym. There's also a lot of BJJ/Judo cross-over in dojo teachers so they can teach you grappling if you just ask them on some free time.

        Recreational wrestling should actually be possible to find in Europe or Asia.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I think it's safer not to shoot and better to use hip tosses, throws, catch the back, and suplexes. If you shoot a double you should be careful because if you get caught in a sprawl by a bigger opponent you're screwed unless you've got great technique. Single leg can be surprisingly safe vs bigger opponents if they can't grapple.

          I usually use standing throws entirely even when I wrestled in HS because I had a good sprawl and had lots of time to work clinch / throws with coach.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Kivcks u in the head with kickbox, good night brother b4 any grappling could take place

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    this is the biggest bait thread I have ever seen and it seems like it's working. You're not completely wrong, but saying BJJ is shit in a street fight is just retarded. You go through a lot of unpleasant things training BJJ and that gets you ready for a fight. Gracie is probably better than the average sport BJJ place I will say.

    I'm a smaller dude, about 170 pounds and a little over 6 feet. I have wicked knees and elbows from doing muay thai, these things mixed with BJJ help me feel pretty secure. I have been slammed before, I have been crunched. Obviously you don't pull guard on the street unless you have no choice.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Obviously you don't pull guard on the street unless you have no choice.
      And yet most bjj starts and ends with some variation of guard. Just be honest and admit bjj (by itself) lends itself to the unathletic crowd. It's more akin to chess than to self defense.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        GI* bjj is for unathletic shits
        No gi is a valid sport

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          IBJJF is strangling gi bjj,

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          nogi is just called submission grappling

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >starts and ends with guard
        >unathletic

        listen to yourself dude, if you think there are better options for close quarters combat aside from eye gauging, and groin strikes, and ear boxing, I'm listening. Knowing how to engage and disengage guards isn't just for "unathletic" people. Why would you leave yourself open to chance even if you're a big muscular guy. This argument gets reduce to "big strong man doesn't need technique, he will win". No shit sherlock and he better be massive because if he knows no technique, he's fucked.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >better options for close quarters
          I mean being armed helps but that shit just invalidates this whole gay discussion you fags are having.
          Or better yet, being armed AND running away.
          Street fights are for fags, "fair" street fights are for even bigger fags.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Knowing how to engage and disengage guards isn't just for "unathletic" people.
          It's all unathletic people want to learn. "Oh no what if I get into a fight and I end up on the ground because I'm a klutz, they say 99% of basedboys get put on the ground during a fight thank God I do bjj so I can defend myself next time my bull shoves me to the ground". I do jitz but I don't pretend it's for self defense, it's just a fun way to let off some energy and solve a puzzle. If you did something like boxing and/or wrestling (or amateur mma), you'll get a small taste of the actual intensity of someone trying to hurt you while your on your feet.

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I've done 2 years of BJJ and there hasn't been a single training session I've ever been to that did not drill take downs. I would say it's 40% of what we spend our time doing. I have no idea where you train but its wrong.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Describe your takedown drills

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      My place does takedowns too, but it's not enough. I've been to places where takedowns were frowned down upon,

  18. 1 month ago
    ProWresBlog

    The way to win a streetfight is to be the first person to grab a weapon.

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    BJJ is shit because getting in close with a guy who (you don't know) might have a knoife or a gun is literal retard tier.
    No amount of Brazilian bravado and ass scooting will make 3 inches of steel in your ribcage feel any better.

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    As a BJJ guy I am SEETHING seeing this thread.

    Just SEETHING.

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You forgot that 90% of BJJ practitioners are terrible athletes.

    Whereas judo and wrestling filter out and only high level athletes remain

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Tfw Judo black belt started BJJ this year
    >Tfw pussy BJJ rolling partner got pissed at me because I broke his ribs with an ippon seoi nage
    Lmao, learn to fall properly, pussy
    Not my fault you cannot into ukemi

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >bragging about injuring a training partner

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Did you think this post was cool? Are you a sociopath?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      That is fucked up. You shouldn't hurt training partners.

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    “as someone who does BJJ”
    Your gym doesn’t train stand up at all? Find a new gym
    OP is at most a shitty blue belt

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    garden gnome Jitsu is a joke.

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Redpill me on wrestling IST

    Is it worth doing or not?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Absolutely yes. It's fun and probably will be the hardest you'll ever work out. What else do you want to know about it?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I want to know if it's dangerous
        I want to know how likely I am going to be seriously injured

        Is it good for self defence

        I have asthma and poor cardio. Should I mention this to the instructor?

        Will I be forced to do neck conditioning? Does it make you bald?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      If you're American, you missed the boat. There is for all practical purposes no recreational wrestling; it's a scholastic sport.

      The closest you can get is nogi bjj. Sorry.

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >how to win a street fight
    >Be bigger
    >Hit first, hit hard
    >Hit until they are unconscious
    >Be mentally/emotionally disturbed to the point you can inflict such violence without hesitating

    Fail at any of this and you're done

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >a smaller person has never won any street fight
      >spending time making your muscles bigger is more helpful than spending literally any amount of time at any MMA/BJJ/wrestling/Judo gym
      Can you stop making posts in martial arts threads if you've never done martial arts before?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        300lbs of muscle and fat will crush most trained people

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          And what % of people can feasibly become 300 pounds of muscle and fat, you annoying gay?

          Face it, you've never stepped foot in a martial arts gym and you've never sparred and you have no idea what you're talking about. Stop posting in martial arts threads forever until these 3 things change.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I've competed as an amateur boxer

            Its cope, the larger person with a gas tank and strength will demolish you in a street fight. A power punch from a 300lb person will demolish you even though your guard

            If that missed and he grabs you it's truly ogre. You'll be slammed into concrete. God forbid he fall on you

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Yup that's why you are an "amateur."

              >gas tank for fighting
              You get this by practicing fighting not by bulking LOL you really are a retard.
              >grabbed and slammed
              Hmm sounds like wrestling??? Maybe you should practice wrestling, a martial art???

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                A 300lb football player could demolish Tyson as soon as he grabbed him. Boxing is a sport.

                Yet wrestlers dominate based on weight category. a 80kg trainer wrestler would get eaten alive by a 100kg untrained person

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >a 80kg trainer wrestler would get eaten alive by a 100kg untrained person
                Please provide 1 example of this ridiculous claim.

                Or, better yet, why don't you go to a wrestling gym and challenge someone 20kg lighter than you, get your ass beaten, and learn? Instead of lying on the internet.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >respond to post with a video where a football player with 30+ pounds on a manlet gets beaten mercilessly and slammed with "just be heavier weight is the only thing that matters"
                You must be delusional.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                ...and why would you choose not to be the 100kg trained wrestler?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >yeah bro just train for 10 years and gain 150 pounds of muscle
          >training fighting to become better at fighting? sounds like some gay shit

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah but you are just 300lbs of fat

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          You will gas in 30 seconds

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Nah bro an untrained 500 pound tank of muscle + fat with the best cardio in the world would beat any trained fighter.

            That's why I don't bother training martial arts and why I just keep bulking and lifting.

            *slurps soda to wash down pizza and cake*

            eeyup fight me anytime. By the way I've never practiced a martial art in my entire life and I can't help but post retarded opinions in martial arts threads for no reason.

  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Judoka have no clue what to do when you grab their legs since their shitty sport banned leg grabs.

  28. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's a sport, not self defense. Did a bjj guy fuck your mom or why do you post this? It's like saying street fighting is ass in bjj comp.

  29. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Can someone recommend a few moves for a white belt to learn? I want to wow my team.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Totally depends what you like. For me, I really enjoyed spamming the hip bump sweep, osoto gari, guillotine break down -> back take (and obviously rear-naked choke from there), and the double under pass.

      You should focus on defense pretty much exclusively when you're new, though. And gradually start being more and more offensive. So you should learn how to escape mount really well and also have really good hip escapes.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      learn your fundamentals, I didn't even bother attending an advanced class until I received my blue belt. From then on you can start figuring out your game, what suits your body type etc.

  30. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Just find a BJJ gym that focuses on MMA/ self defense vs IFBJJ rulesets. My gym teaches all kinds of "illegal" moves and bullies guard pullers

  31. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    For Perfect grappling mix bjj with wrestling

  32. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    So this is what those really though podcasters like joe rogan and jocko do? Very impressive kek.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      top kek

  33. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Reminder that anyone who doesn't recommend training a martial art to get better at fighting (AKA fight to get better at fighting), and who recommends doing literally anything else instead, is a bald out of shape guy who would get his ass beat in seconds if they ever stepped into a martial art gym. Like this:

  34. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Guys what martial art has the most serious gyms?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Probably MMA gyms.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      define serious

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Unserious: mcdojo, made for people that "just want to sweat a bit" or shit coaches that don't care.
        Serious: pushes out multiple high level fighters and does not lack in the teaching department.

  35. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Duh. Striking is king. BJJ is only for sneaking up on someone from behind and choking them, and any tard with no training can do that.

  36. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Go to bjj class and train sambo holds during free rolling

  37. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Kata guruma was such an easy and killer throw. I'm still butthurt over the banning of leg grabbing, now you have to drop with out any assistance.

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