Black pill me on red meat.

I have heard a lot of people say eating red meat can be bad for ones heart. I guess it has a lot of cholesterol perhaps not the good kind.

Is this true? I have been mostly eating white meat but I can't get over my lust as well as the nourishing feeling of juicy red meat.

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Just eat within cico and its great for you

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Cico being pepper?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      No. I will eat over maintenance every day.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I mess up my metabolism doing this. I try to aim for weekly/ monthly surplus opposed to daily surplus as that seems a little ridiculous overall.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          caloric surplus only matters for bodybuilders
          as non bodybuilders it doesn't matter for you

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Yup. I am a twink. Maybe one day hoss.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Eat within cico?
      What? Is that a Mexican holiday?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        You've never heard of Cico de Mayo?

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I'm a cancer biologist, but I can tell you that red meat contains carcinogens. This is why chicken is my primary meat of choice.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      How do you reckon it is carcinogenic? Nonetheless I do try to eat mostly white meat.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Methylates your DNA

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          I'll add the optimal diet is low carb, low fat, high protein, high fiber.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah that sounds like a recipe for disastrous gas and bloating. And feeling lethargic and weak. At least for me. Maybe other people can thrive on that.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous
            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >The same darkie who never posts body, is vegan, is still here posting for years

              Hello subhuman

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah that sounds like a recipe for disastrous gas and bloating. And feeling lethargic and weak. At least for me. Maybe other people can thrive on that.

            i have bloating issues and when i eat like this my issues go away

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            [...]
            i have bloating issues and when i eat like this my issues go away

            What does a highfiber lowcarb meal look like? Give me specific examples of foods like this

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              meat and a salad made out of cucumbers, bell pepper, tomato, maybe something leafy like spinach

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                i didnt eat low fat when i tried that but if you want to do that, eat meats like chicken or white fish or tuna with the veggie salads i described above

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                this was meant for

                And then tell me how you fit these foods/meals on your low fat diet.
                I'm going to bed but can't wait to read your reply in the morning

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >cucumbers, bell pepper, tomato
                You're going to shit bricks once you see the % of calories that are from carbs in all that.

                High fiber low carb foods is mostly just fatty plant stuff, think seeds, avocado, nuts, etc. Then you can argue undercooked broccoli/spinach/coli fits aswell but that's just because you're not able to digest the carbs in the first place because of the cellulose. My point being it's moronic to measure foods like that and it shows you don't know much about what you're eating. You can say you're not eating starches, but not that you're not eating carbs. (Even though oats, potato's, etc are excellent sources of fiber. Way higher than all the fruits u mentioned btw). I don't even know why I'm writing all this, you're not going to change your way of thinking (which is wrong btw). Hope it helps someone that isn't so proudly ignorant I guess

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                TLDR: there's no fiber in protein sources so a low carb, low fat, high protein, high fiber diet doesn't make sense and shows you're a huge moron to when it comes to nutrition

                Now I'm really going to bed but c'mon man don't be such a moron

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                okay maybe. then i ate starch free. no carb to me was no bread, no rice no pasta no cereal and so on. but i cant imagine veggies having that many carbs

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              And then tell me how you fit these foods/meals on your low fat diet.
              I'm going to bed but can't wait to read your reply in the morning

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          I will have to look that up. Don't a lot of things contain carcinogens? There has to be some disparity there between type and quantity in reference to exposure.

          I have also heard cancer is mostly due to sugar?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            "red meat" is a term in cancer studies that includes the preservative laden McMeats and other "Meat" products. It's a fairly deceitful b8 and switch.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Name one carcinogen present in red meat in quantities not found elsewhere in regular life you stupid niglet.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      If your char the frick out of it, yeah sure.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I have been eating red meat and tinned tuna every day since last March. Am I totally fricked?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Only from the mercury in the tuna.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          https://i.imgur.com/Wb9nzVR.gif

          I have been eating red meat and tinned tuna every day since last March. Am I totally fricked?

          >mercury in tuna
          Meme words. Elevated mercury in tuna fish isn't real and the "evidence" comes from japanese factories dumping waste mercury into the water supplies of fishing villages decades ago. Tuna fish absorb the mercury and nearby villagers eat the fish. Suddenly people are getting sick, babies are being born with deformities and cancer rates rise. Scientists investigate and find high amounts of mercury in the fish, then morons blame the fish instead of the nearby polluting factories bc (you) never learned to read

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >canned tuna everyday
        that's your real problem bro, aside from being br*tish

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Brown hands typed this.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            are you trying to imply that br*tish people are white

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              British people are brown

              You will never be White.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            British people are brown

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        If cut out the tuna, and, considering sardines. Couldn't tell you how often they should be eaten, but mercury will be less of an issue. I personally eat a tin every other day with eggs and cottage cheese.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        red meat and tuna is fine, but you are fricked being so gullible thinking you are not because some Black person told you otherwise

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Wrong. Post clinical evidence or shut up.

      Red meat is strongly linked with cardiovascular diseases, heart diseases and cancer. It's probably a good idea to limit red meat consumption to twice a week or so, white meat and fish is still good.

      Show me clinical evidence and non epidemiology.

      This is written by one of the scientists on the IARC (WHO) report that proclaimed red and processed meats were carcinogenic. Almost the entire panel of experts were vegetarians or vegans happy to ignore evidence
      >Most importantly for the IARC report, two major dietary intervention studies that should have contributed to the assessment of the claimed relationship of red meat and cancer were not considered. The first was a study of colon polyps, the precancerous growths that greatly increase the likelihood of developing colon cancer. Almost 1,900 subjects with a recent history of having a polyp removed were divided into a control group that ate their usual diet and a group following a diet characterized by significant decreases in total fat, red, and processed meat along with increases in fruits, vegetables, whole grains, and legumes (Schatzkin et al., 2000). Participants were followed for 3 years and at the end of that time, the recurrence of colon polyps was identical in both diet groups. It is possible that the precancerous stage may not have been the proper time for dietary intervention. The Women’s Health Initiative, therefore, studied a low-fat diet, achieved in large part by reducing red- and processed-meat consumption, among almost 49,000 women (Beresford et al., 2006); about 30,000 followed their normal diets and almost 20,000 were assigned to low-fat diets. After 9 years, the rate of colon cancer was almost identical in the low-fat and control-diet groups. These studies strongly suggest that the observational studies are not supported by dietary intervention studies at either the precancerous or malignant tumor stages of colon cancer.

      Yes. The amount of bias, ignoring the clinical studies that say otherwise, etc is very annoying to me. “But “experts” say this, so I will blindly follow!”

      https://i.imgur.com/8m9ZwyS.jpg

      I have heard a lot of people say eating red meat can be bad for ones heart. I guess it has a lot of cholesterol perhaps not the good kind.

      Is this true? I have been mostly eating white meat but I can't get over my lust as well as the nourishing feeling of juicy red meat.

      It is, objectively, the most micronutrient dense meat you will get. Dietary cholesterol is not bad. LDL raising from eating saturated fat does not mean you will develop cardiovascular disease, as LDL being high without context to any other marker means literally nothing. Eat it, and fill the rest of your diet with other high quality whole foods and you will likely live longer than any pencil neck, weak bone vegan that tries to trick you with propaganda about red meat (that has no clinical evidence to say it’s bad) so you will also be weak and gay like them.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      t. Moshe Shekelberg

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      eat ze bugs goyim

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      To what degree? Lets say my goal was to hit 75 and no older, I don't drink, don't smoke, don't eat junk food (low carb high protein moderate fiber), exercise daily etc how would eating red meat daily (once per day b/c I don't want to be eating chicken 2 meals a day) impact my life expectancy?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      man, you should really get your money back degree wise

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >cancer biologist
      Is that a degree or a self claimed title? Got any publications?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      all animal protein increases risk of cancer because it makes your liver produce IGF1. IGF1 improves your body but it also increases cancer risk

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I don't think it elevates live enzymes that substantially 4rymp

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        sugar elevates IGF1 more than any amount of meat ever could

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Damn exercise does this too! I guess we should stop working out AND eating meat!

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Cool, so back in the day when people were eating meat constantly and it was a central point in almost all western meals, why was cancer so rare? Shouldn't it be overwhelmingly common in farming communities and rural places in general to this day?
        Your "studies" and "reports" and "data" all point against observable reality, yet because it has a fancy little check mark and the establishment gave it a stamp of approval, you take it as gospel.
        Frick off.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        kek what a fricking idiot. IGF-1 is vital for many important bodily functions. you WANT higher IGF-1 if you want all of the benefits you can find on the fricking wikipedia page.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insulin-like_growth_factor
        >Since many distinct tissue types express the IGF-1 receptor, IGF-1's effects are diverse.
        >It acts as a neurotrophic factor, inducing the survival of neurons.
        >It may catalyse skeletal muscle hypertrophy, by inducing protein synthesis, and by blocking muscle atrophy.
        >It is protective for cartilage cells, and is associated with activation of osteocytes, and thus may be an anabolic factor for bone.

        high IGF-1 doesn't cause cancer, you fricking idiot. cancer cells are high in GROWTH FACTOR because they are CANCEROUS GROWTHS. fricking idiot.

        way to make an argument for "animal proteins" AKA meat AKA a healthy whole food critical for good health.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      did u get vaccinated

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Look at the people telling you red meat is bad and then look at people on carnivore. The answer is obvious

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      How about you smell someone on carnivore. Or look at their rates of cancer. Just because carnivore keeps you lean via inherent high protein, doesn't mean it doesn't cause cancer moron.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Post clinical evidence proving your claim of meat causing cancer.

        This comes from a study where the "red meat" in question included highly processed shit like pepperoni and bacon, which obviously is actually bad for you. With how pozzed studies are you gotta just use common sense. Does it really make sense that red meat is somehow bad for you? Does it really make sense that butter causes heart attacks but highly processed sneed oils are actually good for your heart?

        Most people who are into nutrition don’t go past learning macronutrients. So these correlational studies and the AHA can just make whatever claim they want because normal people don’t know the different types of fat and what they actually do in the body. Bottom line is epidemiology cannot prove causation, and researchers can’t correct for enough factors to get anything more out of a survey or observation than “we need more research to establish a mechanism of action.” Which is when clinical studies come in.

        Notice how no one saying red meat does any of these terrible things have linked an rct proving the claim.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Hmm? What's that? Poopie rapie?

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Red meat is strongly linked with cardiovascular diseases, heart diseases and cancer. It's probably a good idea to limit red meat consumption to twice a week or so, white meat and fish is still good.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah. That is what I thought and maybe this will sound moronic but with how it is government approved that red meat is bad it makes me question if it really is or they don't want those heckin' cow farts polluting the atmosphere.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah. That is what I thought and maybe this will sound moronic but with how it is government approved that red meat is bad it makes me question if it really is or they don't want those heckin' cow farts polluting the atmosphere.

      It is not strongly linked at all.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      This comes from a study where the "red meat" in question included highly processed shit like pepperoni and bacon, which obviously is actually bad for you. With how pozzed studies are you gotta just use common sense. Does it really make sense that red meat is somehow bad for you? Does it really make sense that butter causes heart attacks but highly processed sneed oils are actually good for your heart?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >highly processed shit like pepperoni and bacon, which obviously is actually bad for you
        no evidence even that is true. the best evidence suggests it also has no effect. see

        This is written by one of the scientists on the IARC (WHO) report that proclaimed red and processed meats were carcinogenic. Almost the entire panel of experts were vegetarians or vegans happy to ignore evidence
        >Most importantly for the IARC report, two major dietary intervention studies that should have contributed to the assessment of the claimed relationship of red meat and cancer were not considered. The first was a study of colon polyps, the precancerous growths that greatly increase the likelihood of developing colon cancer. Almost 1,900 subjects with a recent history of having a polyp removed were divided into a control group that ate their usual diet and a group following a diet characterized by significant decreases in total fat, red, and processed meat along with increases in fruits, vegetables, whole grains, and legumes (Schatzkin et al., 2000). Participants were followed for 3 years and at the end of that time, the recurrence of colon polyps was identical in both diet groups. It is possible that the precancerous stage may not have been the proper time for dietary intervention. The Women’s Health Initiative, therefore, studied a low-fat diet, achieved in large part by reducing red- and processed-meat consumption, among almost 49,000 women (Beresford et al., 2006); about 30,000 followed their normal diets and almost 20,000 were assigned to low-fat diets. After 9 years, the rate of colon cancer was almost identical in the low-fat and control-diet groups. These studies strongly suggest that the observational studies are not supported by dietary intervention studies at either the precancerous or malignant tumor stages of colon cancer.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Thanks ZOGbot, with this info I know that i need to eat 5 times more then that!

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The reason doctors and studies say red meat is bad is that it is associated with bad correlations, but i bet that is due more to overeating. Red meat has alot of calories; and restaurants and such and slme people at home even sear it in oil. So again - people get way more calories than they think. So they eat red meat and drink alcohol and get fat. But if you cosider macros and cico and exercise its a great source of protein and natural animal fat

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      This is true, when you start measuring out how much protein and fat you're getting from your steak you realise very quickly that what you call a 'medium sized steak' is actually a frickload of protein and fat, way more than I would believe is healthy to eat in 1 sitting. It is way too easy to overeat with red meat.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >It is way too easy to overeat with red meat.
        You cannot get fat on red meat alone. It's not possible.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          This, I was on the carnivore diet, and it was good for getting lean, and maintaining it. But I found it really hard to gain weight on it. Had to add carbs back in, and now my weight is going up.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I always preach about the ratio of protein to calories as the most important food metric. Most "high protein" food is just high calorie. Steak is ok, but there's a lot of calories for what you get.

        mg protein/calorie (higher is better)
        Tuna - 219
        Chicken breast - 203
        ON 100% whey protein - 200
        Spinach - 126
        Ribeye steak - 119
        Chuck steak - 103
        85% ground beef - 87
        Broccoli - 80
        Lentils - 78
        Black beans - 67
        Peas - 66
        Peanut butter - 37
        Carrots - 20
        White rice - 18
        Oreos - 10
        Poptarts - 0

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >Poptarts - 0
          It's over.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Is this a troll post?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            What could the troll possibly be? It's just data. The point is when people say "ugh I need protein" they reach for steak but not broccoli or spinach, which has the same amount of protein per calorie. Instead it's probably better to eat birds and fish than steak.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      This makes a little more sense. Sort of what I have been thinking like sure if you eat lbs of red meat a day that is probably bad but a few times a week surely can't be that bad. White meat gets tiring.

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Every study claiming "red meat bad" is correlational. Nobody has demonstrated a mechanism by which red meat negatively impacts your health. Enjoy your meat and don't listen to people who want to control your life.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      The only mechanism is Randle Cycle activation. That is MAYBE diets with red meat tend to be higher in fat, which is not good when there are carbs in the diet. The removal of carbs, or consuming lean meat with carbs alleviates that problem entirely.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Huh. Are fats bad now? Jesus. I can't keep up with this health shit.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Fats are not bad, only in the presence of carbs. Mixing fat and carbs is the problem.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Really? Lord help us. Why is mixing fats and carbs bad?

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              They cross-inhibit one another for access to the cell. This is to prevent glycation damage in cells. Blood sugar and insulin rise. Excess blood sugar is stored as fat. This is the primary driver for insulin resistance and type 2 diabetes. This process occurs every day you overeat, gradually putting on weight over years and becoming more and more diabetic. It's why nearly everyone get fatter as they get older despite high levels of activity. It's also why fat c**ts that lose weight almost always put it back on eventually.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              consider the concept of a cookie and you should understand

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Have you noticed most goyschlop foods are high in both fats and carbs?

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    red meat is good
    very nutritious
    bison, elk, and organs aswell
    dont forget fish
    chicken is ok as well

    The body likes diversity
    include fruits

    no veggies

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      don't be obtuse veggies are great especially roots. Grains are the only thing that has no real redemption

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Anybody saying its linked to cancer is dishonest or ignorant. The largest RCTs powered for cancer outcomes showed no effect of red or even the evil processed meat on colon cancer

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Really? I had been cutting back on prosciutto and stuff do to muh evil nitrates.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        This is written by one of the scientists on the IARC (WHO) report that proclaimed red and processed meats were carcinogenic. Almost the entire panel of experts were vegetarians or vegans happy to ignore evidence
        >Most importantly for the IARC report, two major dietary intervention studies that should have contributed to the assessment of the claimed relationship of red meat and cancer were not considered. The first was a study of colon polyps, the precancerous growths that greatly increase the likelihood of developing colon cancer. Almost 1,900 subjects with a recent history of having a polyp removed were divided into a control group that ate their usual diet and a group following a diet characterized by significant decreases in total fat, red, and processed meat along with increases in fruits, vegetables, whole grains, and legumes (Schatzkin et al., 2000). Participants were followed for 3 years and at the end of that time, the recurrence of colon polyps was identical in both diet groups. It is possible that the precancerous stage may not have been the proper time for dietary intervention. The Women’s Health Initiative, therefore, studied a low-fat diet, achieved in large part by reducing red- and processed-meat consumption, among almost 49,000 women (Beresford et al., 2006); about 30,000 followed their normal diets and almost 20,000 were assigned to low-fat diets. After 9 years, the rate of colon cancer was almost identical in the low-fat and control-diet groups. These studies strongly suggest that the observational studies are not supported by dietary intervention studies at either the precancerous or malignant tumor stages of colon cancer.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Intersting. Appreciate the source I know this is IST so I on't wanna /misc/ to hard but LOL at WHO srs.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Also, the 30% relative risk difference claimed is insignificant.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          The WHO reviewed hundred of studies, this pathetic opinion talks about one or two studies. The womens health initiative was a failed study, literally every single point of interest they set to investigate was a failure, is worthless to look at is evidence of anything much less of anything related to meat and cancer since the study was not about either. This is just a typical lowcarb quack propaganda posting trash studies like that and the minesota and sydney diet heart study which are both trash always being spammed lowcarb morons

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            The WHO is corrupt and their scientific methods are laughable. Their highly biased conclusion was that red meat might cause an extremely minor rise in ass cancer, in reality meat prevents cancer.

            YWNBAW, cope seethe mald and dialate troon

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I eat 1 lb of ground bison, once per week. I make a chili out of it and eat it with white rice. I feel so good on the following days. I truly believe those carnivoregays when they say red meat is curative. But, I think it should be eaten very sparingly, like how I do it. I think eating red meat everyday is moronic.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Why would you eat it sparingly? It literally prevents cancer and heart disease

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >I truly believe those carnivoregays when they say red meat is curative
      >I think it should be eaten very sparingly
      > eating red meat everyday is moronic
      Who's the moron here?

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I eat about 4 oz of steak every day whilst dieting. Would this be bad for me in the long run?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      eye of round

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      both fats are bad, dude.
      but the saturated fat from the cheese and meat are the ones that congeal in your blood and cause clots

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >I guess it has a lot of cholesterol perhaps not the good kind.
    250 grams of skinless chicken breast has more or less the same amount of cholesterol as 250 grams of untrimmed beef striploin. things like shrimps, egg yolks, and octopus have more cholesterol than red meat

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      yes, they do
      trans and saturated fat from red meats raise bad cholesterol however. plus eating a diet rich in seafood, which is very low in trans and saturated fat, will also lower your bad cholesterol and raise the good one.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >raise bad cholesterol however
        and why is this a bad thing again? sugar is the most essential nutrient and they also raise your "bad" cholesterol, should we just avoid sugar?
        >plus eating a diet rich in seafood, which is very low in trans and saturated fat, will also lower your bad cholesterol and raise the good one
        oily fish are high in PUFAs and depending on where you live, the sea might be full of literal poison and other waste which will then get stored by the fishes in their fat

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Just do what 23 year old influencer say dog. They said salt is good. Guess what bucko. When i was 23 i eat garbage and still could lift, work and party like crazy. If you are 40 and you eat like this flags eat you will develop health issues. Frick no daily red meat is not healthy why the frick you think people in Argentina have so many liver issues from eating only beef.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Sodium is an essential electrolyte. The RDA is low. Simple as. Also, please show with a clinical study the mechanism of action as to why Argentinians get liver issues specifically from beef? Unless you’re citing an epidemiological study, which is nothing more than a thousand anecdotes written down with a research team shortly thereafter “accounting for variables” to come up with whatever conclusion whoever funded the study told them to. That wouldn’t be very smart my friend.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Salt spike your blood pressure idiot. If you eat it all the time over recommended value you will get fricked. Get blood pressure and you are on the road to heart issues.

        Here is study about Argentina https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5787683/

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          That’s hilarious. An observational study cannot provide causative inference to anything. This study can only say “there is a correlation between x and y. We need more research to find exact mechanisms of action.” That is where clinical research comes in. So basically what I’m saying is, your claim is wrong. You cannot say that meat consumption is causing liver problems. Simple as that.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Black person, when red meat consumption is shown time and again to correlate with those diseases it doesn't take a genius to figure out you shouldn't just blindly disregard it and do what you want. Evolution gave you a brain that's very good at finding patterns, so use it.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Red meat is good for you. Thats why ~~*science*~~ says it isn't. Remember, this is the same ~~*science*~~ that gave Covid vaxes the stamp of approval.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              You’ve literally just destroyed your own argument. Correlation does not equal causation. In research, it is understood surveys and observations (the majority of where this red meat=bad propaganda comes from) cannot establish causative inference, and can only establish a hypothesis at most for clinical research to prove. Again, notice that no one yet has provided clinical research showing red meat does any of the bad things listed so far.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >clinical research

                This is written by one of the scientists on the IARC (WHO) report that proclaimed red and processed meats were carcinogenic. Almost the entire panel of experts were vegetarians or vegans happy to ignore evidence
                >Most importantly for the IARC report, two major dietary intervention studies that should have contributed to the assessment of the claimed relationship of red meat and cancer were not considered. The first was a study of colon polyps, the precancerous growths that greatly increase the likelihood of developing colon cancer. Almost 1,900 subjects with a recent history of having a polyp removed were divided into a control group that ate their usual diet and a group following a diet characterized by significant decreases in total fat, red, and processed meat along with increases in fruits, vegetables, whole grains, and legumes (Schatzkin et al., 2000). Participants were followed for 3 years and at the end of that time, the recurrence of colon polyps was identical in both diet groups. It is possible that the precancerous stage may not have been the proper time for dietary intervention. The Women’s Health Initiative, therefore, studied a low-fat diet, achieved in large part by reducing red- and processed-meat consumption, among almost 49,000 women (Beresford et al., 2006); about 30,000 followed their normal diets and almost 20,000 were assigned to low-fat diets. After 9 years, the rate of colon cancer was almost identical in the low-fat and control-diet groups. These studies strongly suggest that the observational studies are not supported by dietary intervention studies at either the precancerous or malignant tumor stages of colon cancer.

                a billion dollars of research in there but they got the wrong answer

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                And the clinical trial did not show meat to be bad. As I said. No one has yet given any clinical evidence to even begin to prove meat=bad.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                NTA but why do people get so adamant about red meat? Micros are alright but it's way too calorie-dense compared to alternatives with similar protein content, bioavailability and micros. Also it doesn't even taste that good, I honestly prefer fish.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Because there is so much negative propaganda about red meat when rct’s blow epidemiology out of the water consistently. The “experts” prefer to use glorified anecdotes above the gold standard of research because of clear bias and to a lesser extent influence from the large companies that fund them.

                >You’ve literally just destroyed your own argument
                My argument that you shouldn't disregard numerous cases of correlation between high red meat consumption and cancer and cardio-vascular disease just because to your current knowledge there isn't a definitive causation link between them? Even if you don't understand why X consistently show up when Y happens it's still prudent to limit your contact with X until you understand why exactly X and Y happen so often together.

                You can make any correlation you want with epidemiology. It literally doesn’t make any difference, it can’t prove causative inference so it shouldn’t be treated with that much importance in this context. Surveys especially are no different than 1000 anecdotes put into a neat list then shortly thereafter “variables are accounted for” to come to whatever conclusion the head researcher wants it to be. Only a clinical trial can show what you continually stake your argument upon. Sorry you fell for the propaganda.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >it can’t prove causative inference so it shouldn’t be treated with that much importance in this contex
                >walking around Bloods has been shown to severely increase your chance to be gunned down by Crips
                >However since Bloods aren't being shown to be the ones gunning you down it's completely safe to hang out with them.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                It’s hilarious that you think that’s a similar comparison. Ironically, if that was the observational study being done, it would be so specific that you could safely conclude that is the case, even though this type of study can’t technically prove causation. Sadly there are no observational studies or surveys that are that specific about red meat. You continually destroy your own arguments because you can’t accept being wrong on the internet. It’s not even really your fault, as I said above people are mislead by “experts” who should not have bias or influence from outside entities, yet they do.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >You’ve literally just destroyed your own argument
                My argument that you shouldn't disregard numerous cases of correlation between high red meat consumption and cancer and cardio-vascular disease just because to your current knowledge there isn't a definitive causation link between them? Even if you don't understand why X consistently show up when Y happens it's still prudent to limit your contact with X until you understand why exactly X and Y happen so often together.

  14. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I will black pill you on the state of the world. It is extremely corrupt. Everything the government says is a lie, including all of the nutritional advice, medical advice, financial advice, everything. Just like their first thought was "get the jab" for a 15 year old athletic male, their recommended diet is high carb cow feed. It is this high carb diet that has destroyed human health. They don't want people eating any meat at all, let alone red meat, which is the most expensive (biggest animal) to feed their slaves.

    They bury all of the scientific studies about high fat diets that contradict everything they say because they are corrupt to the fricking core.

    Here is your guide: eat real foods, not highly processed foods, and eat the ones that taste good. Use basic logic. Animals taste good. Humans obviously got a large percentage of their calories from them because they were everywhere, drawn on the side of caves, etc. Listen to your own body, because everything else is a lie to make $$$ at the expensive of everyone.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Animals taste good.
      I don't really like the taste of meat all that much. Unless there is heaps of sauce added or it's in other food like a burger or pizza. It's kinda bland and overall unappetizing. It doesn't even look good in the raw state. Most people have a natural aversion to raw flesh and organs, like when you see an accident scene where someone is cut open and all their muscles and guts are on gruesome display.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        well for starters humans evolved to prefer cooked meat, so an aversion to raw flesh. secondly, if you have to add sauce to it, that is because you are trying to eat very lean, often overcooked meat because your parents didn't raise you and never figured out how to cook or taught you how to cook and instead raised you on microwave pizza and chicken tendies. How about you go get some chicken wings with the skin on and stick them in the oven and tell me how it is bland an unappetizing. How about getting a rib eye steak and cooking it over charcoal and then tell me about unappetizing. The problem is you can't even cook, and neither could your parents because they didn't even raise you but you are probably good at nintendo wii...

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          > secondly, if you have to add sauce to it, that is because you are trying to eat very lean,
          I added butter.
          >often overcooked meat because your parents didn't raise you and never figured out how to cook or taught you how to cook and instead raised you on microwave pizza and chicken tendies.
          My mother was a housewife and cooked everyday. First time I ever ate "junkfood" was when I was 10 and on a school excursion and the teacher took us to McDonalds.
          >How about you go get some chicken wings with the skin on and stick them in the oven and tell me how it is bland an unappetizing.
          Chicken fat is full of PUFA and I try to avoid it
          >How about getting a rib eye steak and cooking it over charcoal and then tell me about unappetizing. The problem is you can't even cook, and neither could your parents because they didn't even raise you but you are probably good at nintendo wii...
          Cooking is not hard, and my first computer was pic related in the early 1980s
          You will never know what it was like to grow up in the 80s and 90s. I feel nothing but pity for you. It's not your fault.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            My first computer was a 386dx 66mhz, doesn't mean she can actually cook, added butter to lean meat.. meh... you can also add spices and salt and so on. meat was in the soil, had things rub off on it. evolution etc.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              well actually we did have macs at school well before my first home computer. carman sandiego

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        That's why we developed fire, fire + animals = good taste. If you can't eat it w/o something like a burger that's b/c your sense of taste has been completely fricked by over exposure to artificially enhanced flavors. I find it hard to believe that you'd find a steak tasteless but enjoy the taste of say carrots, potatoes or broccoli without also adding some kind of sauce.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          yeah this too. might need to break your addiction to processed sugary shit. once you do, if you ever eat that shit again, you immediately recognise insintinctively how fricking artificial and terrible it is.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            this shit is so true for sweets like ho-hos and twinkies and also soda. it immediately ruined my stomach if I have even a bite, yet I can plenty of fruit and feel just fine

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          carrots unironically taste great without any sauce. also burgers are ass without the condiments, and I fricking love burgers

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        post body

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >I don't really like the taste of meat all that much

        carrots unironically taste great without any sauce. also burgers are ass without the condiments, and I fricking love burgers

        >burgers are ass without the condiments
        Get better quality meat

  15. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I have been eating steak every day for a year and have seen nothing but improvements in my body

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I was on the carnivore diet eating mainly beef, and there were positives, but the negatives were my skin quality degraded and so did my eyesight when looking at things close up. I thing I developed a copper deficiency due to the high zinc in the beef. Copper is needed for collagen synthesis.
      Also, 24 hours after a hard workout I would always get a headache. Never got that when eating carbs. Really annoying.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >I was on the carnivore diet
        *for a week

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          for nearly 2 years. That's why the side effects manifested over a long period. I will go back on it when I need to go on a cut and maintainence. But I will take copper supplements next time.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I wish I had the money dor steak every day. The most economically viable option for me is really fatty pork which I don't like

  16. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Is it healthy to eat lion meat?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      lion aren't meaty enough

  17. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >red meat and eggs are apparently bad because of le evil saturated fat and cholesterol
    >also seafood is heart healthy when most seafood is actually also high in saturated fat and cholesterol but with a bit more omega 3 alongside compared to beef
    hmm...................

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >most seafood
      salmon was the highest I looked up with 3g for 100g weight, where as ground beef (90-10) was 4g.
      >tuna
      >mahi mahi
      >lobster
      >crab
      >anchovies
      >sardines
      >walleye
      >pollock
      >cod
      >scallops
      >octopus
      >tilapia
      all of these are less or WAY less saturated fat compared to beef. what seafood are you talking about?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >grass-fed ground beef contains barely 100mg of omega-3 on a good day
      >mackerel contains over 4000 mg of of omega-3
      >"also seafood is heart healthy when most seafood is actually also high in saturated fat and cholesterol but with a bit more omega 3 alongside compared to beef"
      this board is doomed

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        makerel and anchovies are god tier, I wish I liked cooked fish.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Fricking checked. I love fish. Hopefully you'll come around one day, anon.

  18. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I've been eating 1 pound of lean ground beef every day for 4 years.

    I weigh 135, blood tests are normal, no health issues, and I can run 10km, no problem.

  19. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The people that tell you red meat is bad:

  20. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Some people need more white, some more of the red variant.

  21. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The USA are the only first world country with declining life expectansy, i wonder why...

  22. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    only eat grass-fed organic, local if you can. conventional is fricking garbage goyslop

  23. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    After falling for the veganism meme and losing my ability to have a boner at all for months I carefully reintroduced meat to my diet.

    I have come to the conclusion that the problem is not the meat itself, but the quality of the meat. We harvest meat from sick animals and we become sick. Getting high quality meat is near impossible unless you know a guy. Stick to small fish in relatively clean waters instead.

  24. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    All the nasty shit being said about red meat is israelite propaganda to force people to become either bug eaters or vegans.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      That is true and I learned it the hard way. I posted a thread on /misc/ detailing my experiences.

      [...]

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I talked to my parents about meat consumption and there was big difference between rural areas and towns. While my father who lived in a village ate more meat than he eats now, while my mom who lived in a town ate meat much less frequently because it was pretty hard to get and was seen as holiday food

  25. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    No evidence exists showing increasing red meat consumption increases health in any way. Massive amounts to the contrary does. Should activate your almonds a little.

  26. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    goysloppers who eat pufas with carbs will die faster than even the most moronic ketolard

  27. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Superfood. Even grainfed beef from sick roided factory cows. Better than estrogenic PUFA ridden chicken and oxidized canned fish.

  28. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    We evolved over hundreds of thousands of years to eat produce created in the 21st century namely things such as quorn. It's that simple and science is unshakably saving democracy.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I wanna see this fat elephant put into an incinerator alive with clear walls as I sit in a lawn chair with a drink and watch

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      What is she claiming? That she doesn't overeat? And that she eats healthy because vegan = healthy?

  29. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Red pill me on black meat.

  30. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    If you're not eating a lot of pork, lamb, refined sugar, soda, processed "meat", seed oil, and simple carbs,

    you can handle the damn beef.

  31. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Fish and fruit is the real ancestral diet.

    >noooo I gotta risk my life hunting giant animals!!1

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      killing elephants is easy. they dont feel it when you saw through their hamstring. then you just finish em off

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Or I could just go fishing and gather some berries and roots.

        >nooooo I need to go after a herd of giant mammals that could stampede the frick out of me

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Fishing to feed an entire community requires you to be near a water source, which is potentially dangerous due to mosquitoes, flooding, and potential predators. Humans were nomadic and would follow herds of mammoths, hunt them every so often to sustain themselves, and then continue moving behind them to help ensure they would have a steady supply of meat.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Source?

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              You need a source to understand there were landlocked societies of hunter gatherers that couldn’t live solely off fish and instead scavenged or hunted megafauna to survive?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                People lived near water bro

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Every water source had enough to food for people to eat fish for the entire group every single day?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Or I could just go fishing and gather some berries and roots.

      >nooooo I need to go after a herd of giant mammals that could stampede the frick out of me

      this is the way. maybe add some fungi in there too and some nuts and seeds.
      fishing and foraging sounds like a kino life tbh

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        OP here, After starting to get my macros in order.

        >How can I add more micros?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Eat a variety of fruits, salmon, dairy, animal stocks, and salt liberally every meal in addition to your red meat. Add some potatoes and rice if you need more carbs.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Sounds like mostly macros. I mentioned micros but I appreciate the response. No goyslop over here.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              My friend, your micros are everything I said. B vitamins, creatine, protein, fat, more than enough of every essential bcaa from red meat. Potassium, iodine, a few of the fat soluble vitamins from fruit. Calcium, fat, a few of the fat soluble vitamins from dairy. Choline, other minerals, fats from eggs. The list goes on. There are micronutrients in everything you eat, but just simply following macros and a “whole food” diet not planned out will leave you deficient in something.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I hit my calcium daily pretty easily but in regards to maybe bcaas or B-vitamins...etc I feel like I am lacking.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Which is why you should consider including the things I listed in addition to red meat in your diet daily.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                To add to this, bone in sardines egg shells are convenient and cheap calcium sources as well. More so if you've trouble digesting milk.

  32. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    It's not bad for your heart. Cholesterol is not bad for you either. Simply just eat exclusively grass fed organic beef cooked in ghee.

  33. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I'm a pescatarian, but it's strictly for moral reasons.
    Anyone who says meat on itself is unhealthy is pretty much wrong. There are very few foods that are unhealthy in themselves, and virtually all of them are processed.
    Balanced diet is the key.
    I sometimes wish I could eat whatever I want, but my inner voice is getting louder and louder, so I stopped.
    Carnivore is a meme, veganism is a kind of a meme, because it takes too much effort and knowledge to do it right.
    If I was eating meat I'd probably go red meat once every week or two. Chicken every other day.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Carnivore is objectively more nutrient rich. It is better than eating vegan, by far. Both will leave you with deficiencies, vegan has more of them though. Personally, vertical diet (for less autistic people) or animal based (nose to tail ruminant meat, dairy, fruits, honey) is the way to go. The real thing is to make ruminant meat the majority of your protein and fat. Chicken, turkey, and pork is less optimal. Fatty fish should be included a few times a week. It’s all very simple, and like has been stated above, no one has posted clinical evidence showing meat does any of the bad things they say it does. Which should tell you something.

  34. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Is this true?
    No. Just bought a grill like 2 weeks ago and weight is falling off me. I'm eating a shit-ton, including sweets and especially red meat, lots of carbs too, and I can't get over 185 (5'7, muscular, almost 1 year 6/7 routine).
    Meat in general, red meat ESPECIALLY, is fricking fantastic for you. Ignore anyone saying otherwise. The "scientific data" means nothing when the actual results contradict it unilaterally.

  35. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Weird that foods high in the EVIL cholesterol and the EVIL saturated fats are more satiating than highly-refined, factory-made heart-healthy seed oils that were exclusively used as industrial lubricants 100 years ago. Aren't satiating foods the ones that our bodies think are nutrient-rich and healthy?

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26878318/
    >The effects of potatoes and other carbohydrate side dishes consumed with meat on food intake, glycemia and satiety response in children

    Also weird that junk food is made exclusively of corn, wheat, and seed oils.

    Also weird that fried chicken is unhealthy, considering it's made of heart-healthy chicken and heart-healthy seed oils. Maybe the breadcrumbs are the problem?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Also weird that fried chicken is unhealthy, considering it's made of heart-healthy chicken and heart-healthy seed oils. Maybe the breadcrumbs are the problem?
      Can you stop being disingenuous? I'm sure a medium serving having easily 2K fricking kcals gas nothing to do with that

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Yes anon, larger quantities of unhealthy food are generally worse for you than smaller quantities of unhealthy food.

        ...or are you actually implying that small amounts of KFC fried chicken and French fries can be health foods?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Im not implying anything, I'm stating whatever particularities chicken and seed oils might have on your health are completely moot when your arteries are gonna clog up just from lipids overload and your joints and organs will fail under your weight way before any of that shit has time to take its toll on your body.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Fried chicken and seed oils definitely impact people who aren't obese. Either way, you're somehow missing the entire point that it is possible to overeat on foods loaded with seed oils because they have no satiation because they have no nutrition because they are bad for you. You're doing a very weird skirting around the point here.
            >lipids overload
            lol. can't wait to see what scary medical term you make up next.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >lol. can't wait to see what scary medical term you make up next
              ??????????? What DO you call it when someone consistently overeats lipids?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >What DO you call it when someone consistently overeats lipids?
                "gaining weight"

                Standard American Diet includes plenty of refined carbohydrates, btw, it's not just a "lipids overload." You clearly don't know what you're talking about, especially since you implied that fried chicken is not going to negatively impact people who aren't fat (lmao), but I hope you at least learned something today.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Caloric sweeteners 440
                Holy hell, these fatties are doomed. Who the frick eats 400 calories of sugar a goddamn day?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                When you meet a normie you will learn a lot, anon. Think about soda and milkshakes and chocolate and gummy bears.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >"gaining weight"
                Weight is gained on caloric surplus whatever its source may be, but lipids in particular have a high correlation with cardiovascular disease.

                >You clearly don't know what you're talking about, especially since you implied that fried chicken is not going to negatively impact people who aren't fat (lmao), but I hope you at least learned something today.
                where?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >lipids in particular have a high correlation with cardiovascular disease
                yes, because of seed oils, which are in fried chicken, because seed oils are inflammatory. they also have 0 satiation and 0 nutrition, and that's why the average American overeats so much and gets heart attacks in mid-age. holy shit how many more times do I need to explain it?

                >feigning ignorance on an anonymous imageboard
                lol, do you really need me to quote you saying "fried chicken only negatively impacts you if you get fat" ? you can just scroll up bro.

  36. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Can someone tell me where this moronic carnivore diet came from? Why would someone be stupid enough to eat mostly red meat or mostly one of anything?

  37. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Holy shit OP checking in again. Ya'll still going crazy. Wow.

  38. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I don't know if anybody has noticed but governments are treating their populations like cattle - getting them to eat grains because they are cheap, and forcing them to get injected with vaccines.

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