>get constantly told that bread is unhealthy
>19th century industrial workers were strong as a mule and 2/3rds of their calories were bread
Explain
Bread
>get constantly told that bread is unhealthy
>19th century industrial workers were strong as a mule and 2/3rds of their calories were bread
Explain
only dyels think bread is unhealthy
This.
You know you can deep freeze bread? Just buy lots when it's on sale and stick it in the freezer.
Or yeah, go to a baker every day or every other day. But in Europe there's bakeries around every corner, so it's not much of a hassle.
>You know you can deep freeze bread?
I've never really tried this with the non american bread. Does it actually keep it soft?
yes. I microwave it for 20 seconds and it tastes fresh
>2/3
More.
People in the past ate extremely low fat and extremely high protein and carb. Look up the old books, it's mind boggling, they basically lived off meat and bread. And the meat was indeed pretty fucking lean. No idea how they did it. Did we start breeding animals for more fat after WW2? I dunno. I only know they ate twice or thrice our recommended protein and carbs and maybe 1/2 or less of our recommended fat.
there's absolutely no way a spanish sailor in 1560 had access to 4,043kcal a day on a fucking BOAT
and even if they did, that would mean they were all fucking obese
>there's absolutely no way a spanish sailor in 1560 had access to 4,043kcal a day on a fucking BOAT
>and even if they did, that would mean they were all fucking obese
You're American, aren't you? You know they worked hard physical labor for 14 hours+ every day, right?
you literally don't understand what a calorie is.
They probably drank 2000kcal in hard liquor alone
>naval
dried fruit, dried meat, hardtack, fresh fish?
Bit later, but you get the idea
GOBAD
GALLON
OF BEER
A
DAY
I guess 8 pints spread over a whole day is a manageable buzz, but add the wine and hard liquor and holy shit sailors must've been off their asses 24/7.
No wonder they were always singing and shit.
I'm retarded, it was wine, beer, OR liquor.
>GOLAD
oh no
drunkenness seems to have been a pretty serious problem when rum was issued
The greatest killer of seaman was scurvy
Beer back then had very low abv. It was an alternative to figuring out how to make water safe to drink.
B-b-but where are the fresh vegetables and greens! Oh, I guess you don't actually need those. Vegans look like shit.
In the past all the cattle was grass grazing and pigs were eating apples/potatoes and scraps. Bread was made with natural oils tgrough fermentation. Just buy a breadmaker and make your own bread. It will taste much better, nothing like the shit they call bread in the grocery stores. Use spelta to get real bread like what they had 2 centureis ago. Even 50 years ago it was a different type of wheat that had lower yeld, but contained more micronutrients.
It's a lot of work with sourdough rye tho. But ut's worth it as is the healthiest bread you can get.
I buy 4k+ calories a day, but 8000? That is nuts. Makes no sense even if they were rowing galleys, because the swedes also operating in the baltic get half as much food.
It's because fats are tastier or hold flavor better. Obviously lean is superior healthwise but people live for the now
Absolute bullshit.
The "bread is bad" meme comes from Americans who think they're enlightened after discovered their countries version of "bread" is basically just low-sugar cake. In real, civilized countries that bake real bread, there's absolutely absolutely nothing wrong with eating it. Americans unironically think real bread is some sort of unobtainable luxury item because it's only produced by niche artisanal bakeries in their country.
Genuine question here, I don't want this to devolve into a culture war argument. Do europeans really go to a bakery to buy bread every single day? I've noticed that every time I get or bake my own real bread, it gets stale after two days or less. The culture in the US is usually to go grocery shopping once a week. Without a housewife I imagine it would get really fucking annoying to shop so frequently.
There are many bakeries in most of Europe so it isn't a inconvenience to get some bread or other baked goods on the way home from work. I could go out of my house an walk to 8 bakeries in 5 minutes or less (each not after each other) although that might be a bit different in rural areas and not all bakeries are up to the same standards it is convenient.
yes it is annoying as fuck, that's why american sliced "bread" eventually takes up 50% of the bread market or more
but the thing is that in most sane countries there's a bakery in every corner, so it's not THAT much of a hassle
I dont eat bread everyday, but every grocery store/super market has their own bakery inside the store where they make fresh bread everyday. I usually get the levain bread which is made from only (sourdough) wheat flour, water, salt and yeast or the bread with the same ingredients but with seeds in it.
I usually eat it in 1-2 days and it lasts a bit longer because it's sourdough. The store is only 2-5 minutes away with bike (depending on which store I go to) so I can go there any time I want. This is the case no matter where you live in the country (here in sweden).
In my American town of 35k people there is not a single bakery. You only have Walmart and other chain stores with their pre made garbage bread that pretends it's organic artisanal stuff.
You literally cannot buy normal natural bread in many parts of the us it's just impossible. You have to bake it yourself from scratch.
You have a good business opportunity
My town has like 12 bakers and 1 of them goes to my village everyday at 9am to bring me bread, and in the cities there's bakeries in every corner
That is how it used to be + some women would make bread themselves.
Quality bread goes bad pretty fast.
Now we are getting americanized and nobody wants to cook + everything last longer, but is worse for you.
There is bakeries everywhere in Europe. I'd say pretty much everyone in a city can buy a bread within 2 minutes of walking distance.
I live in Warsaw and there are three bakeries in 300m vicinity from my house. And you can also buy normal bread in other 6 grocery stores within 500m from me
>Do europeans really go to a bakery to buy bread every single day?
yes, in most european cities you can walk to a bakery in 5 min from your home, bread is also designed to become hard as a stone in around 18 hours so you must buy again
>become hard as a stone in around 18 hours
That is because you leave it uncovered on the counter. If you put it in a bread box, it stays fresh for a few days.
Its because there are no preservatives
Some of us do, there are loads of bakeries / shops that buy fresh bread from bakeries and sell it to you around here.
Alternatively, if we don't feel like going to the bakery every day, we buy a bread making machine and make our own stuff.
Big city? Yeah. There's 7 bakeries within <1 minute walking distance of my home, plus another 3 where I work - less there because most people would rather sit down at a restaurant for a hot meal during work break. Europeans take their bread really fucking serious and I don't know why.
Not just bread, meat and dairy/cheese are also separate stores
>Do europeans really go to a bakery to buy bread every single day?
I dont know how things are in america (or europe for that matter) but here in Australia you can find a bakery wherever there is a supermarket. In fact, most supermarkets have their own bakery which sell fresh bread. Going to a bakery is more common than going to a butcher.
>when working at 7am i'd always go to the bakery before work and get a fresh loaf of sourdough to eat
I'm not american but sudaca and I have literally 10 bakery in a walk distance. I have one in front of my house and in the corner of the street.
non a mutt but a Hispanic. My grandpa has been buying and eating bread since like 20 years ago, every single day he buys bread and eats it with coffee, no high blood pressure and no diabetes.He even sweets his coffee with one or two scoops of sugar.
This. I'm British and it's pretty bad here too but it is improving (although whenever I visit Europe there is mostly white bread too so I imagine it's not really that much better) and you can buy things other than refined wheat flour bread even in supermarkets now. It's kind of ironic that the local bakeries around me still essentially only sell white bread but if you go to more hip cities you can find a lot of proper rye sourdoughs and things. Historical bread is mostly "black" bread made of different and less polished grains. My understanding is they still eat a lot of it in Scandinavia an Eastern Europe but I've only been to Western Europe.
Spelt, rye, and other contemporarily less popular grains have a lot more protein. Refined wheat is so shitty they have to fortify it because yeah white bread is basically bland cake.
American bread is actually low FAT cake. It doesn't have sugar advantages vice versa real cake. Otherwise correct post.
>>19th century industrial workers were strong as a mule
lol?
I could take every single man born between 1500 and 1900 in a fight.
You can't even quote a post, child.
>baby boo boo roid chud thinks 19th century industrial workers were eating the fortified flour hydrogenated oil mixed slop that store bought modern bread is
I lost bodyfat and put on muscle eating wheat bread. Just make sure it’s fresh and has like, two to four ingredients max (water wheat flour etc
Many approaches to nutrition are effective.
>If x works how come y also works?
They both work, dumbfuck. There are effectively unlimited combinations of food that will sustain you to some extent.
This guy breaks it down perfectly, old bread was simply a superior product that Americans had to fuck up
Any other sourdough chads ITT?
Even European bakeries are usually just some shitty chain. It’s better than Walmart white bread of course, but once I nailed a good sourdough recipe I never bought bread again. Two of these babies every week and I’m set. My recipe uses 700g AP flour, 100g rye flour, and 200g whole wheat flour, but it’s flexible.
my dad makes some but i dont eat it anymore because he told me im a bitch because i asked him for the macros. i buy commercial bread nowadays. ngl it was tasty tho
Just ballpark it man its break its not like there are a billion things in it
Bread*
Your dad is correct, you are a bitch.
Brebfren. Check out Pain de Campagne. Crumb is a little more irregular but super easy technique.
do you freeze your sourdough, or can you get through a loaf before it goes stale?
Between my wife and I, we get through two loaves a week easily. It's 1000g of flour for two loaves. I don't know if it freezes well, but if I have extra I either cut it up and bake it into croutons, or give it to a neighbour.
You can easily freeze bread. It's not like fwuit were the freezing explodes the cellular matrix, turning it into mush.
CAN U SEND THE WHOLE RECIPE LIKE I WAS RETARDED? I'D EAT SOURDOUGH EVERY DAY FOR BREAKFAST / PRE-WORKOUT BUT I'M TO LAZY TO FIND A RECIPE
thanks if u do... I'd like a whole wheat only cuz my AP flour but i guess i should stop being a fag
I learned a no-knead bread recipe recently. Basically I stir together flour, water, yeast, salt in a bowl. Cover it for 12 hours at least. Form it quickly into a ball and let it sit 20 minutes or so. Into the oven for about 50 minutes and nice fresh bread. Much better than north american grocery store bread. I've done fancier kneaded breads also, but this is just so easy and good.
>no knead
That is basically what I
make here. It's a sourdough recipe that I just let sit once it's incorporated for 12 hours. I make the dough in the morning, let it ferment next to my woodstove all day, then at night I cut it into two, shape it a bit, and put it in the fridge overnight in a proofing basket. Then bake the next morning. EZPZ and so good my peasant ancestors would have cummd their tits off just looking at it.
You aren't an industrial worker.
>>19th century industrial workers were strong as a mule and 2/3rds of their calories were bread
>Explain
t. Your romantic notions of industrial workers
bread keeps me above 15% body fat no matter what I do. Also the gluten fucks with my brain. AND it causes inflammation. Tastes good as fuck dough.
A fresh slice of homemade sourdough, covered in butter, some good pickled eggs and beets, and a beer and a wedge of aged cheddar is literally all I need to sustain myself.
No, because I don't give a fuck if you eat that awful shit.
you just answered yourself; work like a mule in the carbon mine
Bread causes me to swell up and look ugly, so it can't be good for me. I only eat it when I go hiking, you don't need such a sugar bomb if youre not doing something strenuous.
>sugar bomb
>bread
My god... amerimutts...
>wait til anon finds out what a carbohydrate is
sugar=/=any other carbohydrate
i should start making sourdough again. dont have a dutch oven at my current place, which i kind of need.
You don't need a dutch oven, I bake mine in a ceramic baking dish and a rectangular metal loaf pan, 450F for 45 minutes, works great!
redpill me on potato bread
my mom brought me some the other day and I love the texture
yummy but gives me MASSIVE heartburn for some reason.
Bretty gud
I wasn't around in the 19th century so can't confirm, but I imagine they worked all day in physical jobs, where as you are on IST typing stuff about bread. If you get 2/3rd of calories from bread, you will have diabetes.
modern bread is just a sugar block
>comparing bread from the 19th century to the garbage from dead soils we have nowadays
Lol
History is fake. High carb diets are the cause of all modern health issues. Bread is good in moderation though. It is better than white potatoes or rice by a long way in my opinion.
>better than white potatoes or rice by a long way in my opinion.
Potatoes and rice are better pure carbs
The benefit of whole grain bread is the protein you get with the carbs.
Potatoes also contain more vitamins than bread
potato bread?
This. They weren't that strong, they were all in general a bit undernourished and unhealthy. We know this because they lived significantly shorter lives than us - don't tell me you think that's down to garden gnome pharma/doctors.
Even though they ate a lot of bread their diet was no joke compared to many people today. They always ensured to get meat in their diet which lots of people can't manage to do today - whether the malnourishment is intentional or not is no good to the body. And they had vegetables and cereal and milk. If they were able to add a few oranges, bananas and berries once in a while their diet could be something close to optimal.
>If reality and memes disagree, reality is wrong
Sup pol
>If reality and memes disagree, reality is wrong
This is the basis of the mandela effect, a level of ego so high that when faced with the prospect of being wrong, it's more likely we've just swapped realities to a different parallel universe
Post the recipe
THE DIFFERENCE
BETWEEN BREAD
AND RUM
SHALL
NOT
BE
D I S C U S S E D
Typical Americanized bread:
>cut with 10-20% calories from seed oils
>has pesticide residue
>gluten intolerance, which may be a mask for pesticide residue allergies
>non-organic
>not baked fresh daily like most Euro bread is
>tons of strange preservative chemicals of unknown health effects
I still eat it every day because it's the most convenient starchy food.
If there was fresh cooked plain rice at the grocery, I would probably eat that a lot though.