Bread

>get constantly told that bread is unhealthy
>19th century industrial workers were strong as a mule and 2/3rds of their calories were bread
Explain

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    only dyels think bread is unhealthy

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      This.

      Genuine question here, I don't want this to devolve into a culture war argument. Do europeans really go to a bakery to buy bread every single day? I've noticed that every time I get or bake my own real bread, it gets stale after two days or less. The culture in the US is usually to go grocery shopping once a week. Without a housewife I imagine it would get really fricking annoying to shop so frequently.

      You know you can deep freeze bread? Just buy lots when it's on sale and stick it in the freezer.
      Or yeah, go to a baker every day or every other day. But in Europe there's bakeries around every corner, so it's not much of a hassle.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >You know you can deep freeze bread?
        I've never really tried this with the non american bread. Does it actually keep it soft?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          yes. I microwave it for 20 seconds and it tastes fresh

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >2/3
    More.

    People in the past ate extremely low fat and extremely high protein and carb. Look up the old books, it's mind boggling, they basically lived off meat and bread. And the meat was indeed pretty fricking lean. No idea how they did it. Did we start breeding animals for more fat after WW2? I dunno. I only know they ate twice or thrice our recommended protein and carbs and maybe 1/2 or less of our recommended fat.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      there's absolutely no way a spanish sailor in 1560 had access to 4,043kcal a day on a fricking BOAT
      and even if they did, that would mean they were all fricking obese

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >there's absolutely no way a spanish sailor in 1560 had access to 4,043kcal a day on a fricking BOAT
        >and even if they did, that would mean they were all fricking obese
        You're American, aren't you? You know they worked hard physical labor for 14 hours+ every day, right?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        you literally don't understand what a calorie is.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        They probably drank 2000kcal in hard liquor alone

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >naval
      dried fruit, dried meat, hardtack, fresh fish?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Bit later, but you get the idea

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          GOBAD

          GALLON
          OF BEER
          A
          DAY

          I guess 8 pints spread over a whole day is a manageable buzz, but add the wine and hard liquor and holy shit sailors must've been off their asses 24/7.
          No wonder they were always singing and shit.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I'm moronic, it was wine, beer, OR liquor.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >GOLAD

              oh no

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              drunkenness seems to have been a pretty serious problem when rum was issued

              B-b-but where are the fresh vegetables and greens! Oh, I guess you don't actually need those. Vegans look like shit.

              The greatest killer of seaman was scurvy

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I'm moronic, it was wine, beer, OR liquor.

            Beer back then had very low abv. It was an alternative to figuring out how to make water safe to drink.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          B-b-but where are the fresh vegetables and greens! Oh, I guess you don't actually need those. Vegans look like shit.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      In the past all the cattle was grass grazing and pigs were eating apples/potatoes and scraps. Bread was made with natural oils tgrough fermentation. Just buy a breadmaker and make your own bread. It will taste much better, nothing like the shit they call bread in the grocery stores. Use spelta to get real bread like what they had 2 centureis ago. Even 50 years ago it was a different type of wheat that had lower yeld, but contained more micronutrients.
      It's a lot of work with sourdough rye tho. But ut's worth it as is the healthiest bread you can get.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I buy 4k+ calories a day, but 8000? That is nuts. Makes no sense even if they were rowing galleys, because the swedes also operating in the baltic get half as much food.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It's because fats are tastier or hold flavor better. Obviously lean is superior healthwise but people live for the now

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Absolute bullshit.

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The "bread is bad" meme comes from Americans who think they're enlightened after discovered their countries version of "bread" is basically just low-sugar cake. In real, civilized countries that bake real bread, there's absolutely absolutely nothing wrong with eating it. Americans unironically think real bread is some sort of unobtainable luxury item because it's only produced by niche artisanal bakeries in their country.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Genuine question here, I don't want this to devolve into a culture war argument. Do europeans really go to a bakery to buy bread every single day? I've noticed that every time I get or bake my own real bread, it gets stale after two days or less. The culture in the US is usually to go grocery shopping once a week. Without a housewife I imagine it would get really fricking annoying to shop so frequently.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        There are many bakeries in most of Europe so it isn't a inconvenience to get some bread or other baked goods on the way home from work. I could go out of my house an walk to 8 bakeries in 5 minutes or less (each not after each other) although that might be a bit different in rural areas and not all bakeries are up to the same standards it is convenient.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        yes it is annoying as frick, that's why american sliced "bread" eventually takes up 50% of the bread market or more

        but the thing is that in most sane countries there's a bakery in every corner, so it's not THAT much of a hassle

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I dont eat bread everyday, but every grocery store/super market has their own bakery inside the store where they make fresh bread everyday. I usually get the levain bread which is made from only (sourdough) wheat flour, water, salt and yeast or the bread with the same ingredients but with seeds in it.
        I usually eat it in 1-2 days and it lasts a bit longer because it's sourdough. The store is only 2-5 minutes away with bike (depending on which store I go to) so I can go there any time I want. This is the case no matter where you live in the country (here in sweden).

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        In my American town of 35k people there is not a single bakery. You only have Walmart and other chain stores with their pre made garbage bread that pretends it's organic artisanal stuff.

        You literally cannot buy normal natural bread in many parts of the us it's just impossible. You have to bake it yourself from scratch.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          You have a good business opportunity

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        My town has like 12 bakers and 1 of them goes to my village everyday at 9am to bring me bread, and in the cities there's bakeries in every corner

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        That is how it used to be + some women would make bread themselves.
        Quality bread goes bad pretty fast.
        Now we are getting americanized and nobody wants to cook + everything last longer, but is worse for you.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        There is bakeries everywhere in Europe. I'd say pretty much everyone in a city can buy a bread within 2 minutes of walking distance.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I live in Warsaw and there are three bakeries in 300m vicinity from my house. And you can also buy normal bread in other 6 grocery stores within 500m from me

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Do europeans really go to a bakery to buy bread every single day?
        yes, in most european cities you can walk to a bakery in 5 min from your home, bread is also designed to become hard as a stone in around 18 hours so you must buy again

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >become hard as a stone in around 18 hours
          That is because you leave it uncovered on the counter. If you put it in a bread box, it stays fresh for a few days.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Its because there are no preservatives

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Some of us do, there are loads of bakeries / shops that buy fresh bread from bakeries and sell it to you around here.
        Alternatively, if we don't feel like going to the bakery every day, we buy a bread making machine and make our own stuff.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Big city? Yeah. There's 7 bakeries within <1 minute walking distance of my home, plus another 3 where I work - less there because most people would rather sit down at a restaurant for a hot meal during work break. Europeans take their bread really fricking serious and I don't know why.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Not just bread, meat and dairy/cheese are also separate stores

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Do europeans really go to a bakery to buy bread every single day?
        I dont know how things are in america (or europe for that matter) but here in Australia you can find a bakery wherever there is a supermarket. In fact, most supermarkets have their own bakery which sell fresh bread. Going to a bakery is more common than going to a butcher.
        >when working at 7am i'd always go to the bakery before work and get a fresh loaf of sourdough to eat

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I'm not american but sudaca and I have literally 10 bakery in a walk distance. I have one in front of my house and in the corner of the street.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        non a mutt but a Hispanic. My grandpa has been buying and eating bread since like 20 years ago, every single day he buys bread and eats it with coffee, no high blood pressure and no diabetes.He even sweets his coffee with one or two scoops of sugar.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      This. I'm British and it's pretty bad here too but it is improving (although whenever I visit Europe there is mostly white bread too so I imagine it's not really that much better) and you can buy things other than refined wheat flour bread even in supermarkets now. It's kind of ironic that the local bakeries around me still essentially only sell white bread but if you go to more hip cities you can find a lot of proper rye sourdoughs and things. Historical bread is mostly "black" bread made of different and less polished grains. My understanding is they still eat a lot of it in Scandinavia an Eastern Europe but I've only been to Western Europe.
      Spelt, rye, and other contemporarily less popular grains have a lot more protein. Refined wheat is so shitty they have to fortify it because yeah white bread is basically bland cake.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      American bread is actually low FAT cake. It doesn't have sugar advantages vice versa real cake. Otherwise correct post.

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >>19th century industrial workers were strong as a mule
    lol?
    I could take every single man born between 1500 and 1900 in a fight.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      You can't even quote a post, child.

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >baby boo boo roid troony thinks 19th century industrial workers were eating the fortified flour hydrogenated oil mixed slop that store bought modern bread is

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I lost bodyfat and put on muscle eating wheat bread. Just make sure it’s fresh and has like, two to four ingredients max (water wheat flour etc

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Many approaches to nutrition are effective.
    >If x works how come y also works?
    They both work, dumbfrick. There are effectively unlimited combinations of food that will sustain you to some extent.

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    This guy breaks it down perfectly, old bread was simply a superior product that Americans had to frick up

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Any other sourdough chads ITT?
    Even European bakeries are usually just some shitty chain. It’s better than Walmart white bread of course, but once I nailed a good sourdough recipe I never bought bread again. Two of these babies every week and I’m set. My recipe uses 700g AP flour, 100g rye flour, and 200g whole wheat flour, but it’s flexible.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      my dad makes some but i dont eat it anymore because he told me im a b***h because i asked him for the macros. i buy commercial bread nowadays. ngl it was tasty tho

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Just ballpark it man its break its not like there are a billion things in it

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Bread*

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Your dad is correct, you are a b***h.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Brebfren. Check out Pain de Campagne. Crumb is a little more irregular but super easy technique.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      do you freeze your sourdough, or can you get through a loaf before it goes stale?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Between my wife and I, we get through two loaves a week easily. It's 1000g of flour for two loaves. I don't know if it freezes well, but if I have extra I either cut it up and bake it into croutons, or give it to a neighbour.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        You can easily freeze bread. It's not like fwuit were the freezing explodes the cellular matrix, turning it into mush.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      CAN U SEND THE WHOLE RECIPE LIKE I WAS moronic? I'D EAT SOURDOUGH EVERY DAY FOR BREAKFAST / PRE-WORKOUT BUT I'M TO LAZY TO FIND A RECIPE

      thanks if u do... I'd like a whole wheat only cuz my AP flour but i guess i should stop being a gay

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I learned a no-knead bread recipe recently. Basically I stir together flour, water, yeast, salt in a bowl. Cover it for 12 hours at least. Form it quickly into a ball and let it sit 20 minutes or so. Into the oven for about 50 minutes and nice fresh bread. Much better than north american grocery store bread. I've done fancier kneaded breads also, but this is just so easy and good.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >no knead
      That is basically what I

      https://i.imgur.com/xFo3s85.jpg

      Any other sourdough chads ITT?
      Even European bakeries are usually just some shitty chain. It’s better than Walmart white bread of course, but once I nailed a good sourdough recipe I never bought bread again. Two of these babies every week and I’m set. My recipe uses 700g AP flour, 100g rye flour, and 200g whole wheat flour, but it’s flexible.

      make here. It's a sourdough recipe that I just let sit once it's incorporated for 12 hours. I make the dough in the morning, let it ferment next to my woodstove all day, then at night I cut it into two, shape it a bit, and put it in the fridge overnight in a proofing basket. Then bake the next morning. EZPZ and so good my peasant ancestors would have cummd their breasts off just looking at it.

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    You aren't an industrial worker.

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >>19th century industrial workers were strong as a mule and 2/3rds of their calories were bread
    >Explain

    t. Your romantic notions of industrial workers

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    bread keeps me above 15% body fat no matter what I do. Also the gluten fricks with my brain. AND it causes inflammation. Tastes good as frick dough.

  14. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    A fresh slice of homemade sourdough, covered in butter, some good pickled eggs and beets, and a beer and a wedge of aged cheddar is literally all I need to sustain myself.

  15. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    No, because I don't give a frick if you eat that awful shit.

  16. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    you just answered yourself; work like a mule in the carbon mine

  17. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Bread causes me to swell up and look ugly, so it can't be good for me. I only eat it when I go hiking, you don't need such a sugar bomb if youre not doing something strenuous.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >sugar bomb
      >bread
      My god... amerimutts...

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >wait til anon finds out what a carbohydrate is

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          sugar=/=any other carbohydrate

  18. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    i should start making sourdough again. dont have a dutch oven at my current place, which i kind of need.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      You don't need a dutch oven, I bake mine in a ceramic baking dish and a rectangular metal loaf pan, 450F for 45 minutes, works great!

  19. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    redpill me on potato bread
    my mom brought me some the other day and I love the texture

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      yummy but gives me MASSIVE heartburn for some reason.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Bretty gud

  20. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I wasn't around in the 19th century so can't confirm, but I imagine they worked all day in physical jobs, where as you are on IST typing stuff about bread. If you get 2/3rd of calories from bread, you will have diabetes.

  21. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    modern bread is just a sugar block

  22. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >comparing bread from the 19th century to the garbage from dead soils we have nowadays
    Lol

  23. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    History is fake. High carb diets are the cause of all modern health issues. Bread is good in moderation though. It is better than white potatoes or rice by a long way in my opinion.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >better than white potatoes or rice by a long way in my opinion.
      Potatoes and rice are better pure carbs
      The benefit of whole grain bread is the protein you get with the carbs.
      Potatoes also contain more vitamins than bread

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        potato bread?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      This. They weren't that strong, they were all in general a bit undernourished and unhealthy. We know this because they lived significantly shorter lives than us - don't tell me you think that's down to israelite pharma/doctors.

      Even though they ate a lot of bread their diet was no joke compared to many people today. They always ensured to get meat in their diet which lots of people can't manage to do today - whether the malnourishment is intentional or not is no good to the body. And they had vegetables and cereal and milk. If they were able to add a few oranges, bananas and berries once in a while their diet could be something close to optimal.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      This. They weren't that strong, they were all in general a bit undernourished and unhealthy. We know this because they lived significantly shorter lives than us - don't tell me you think that's down to israelite pharma/doctors.

      Even though they ate a lot of bread their diet was no joke compared to many people today. They always ensured to get meat in their diet which lots of people can't manage to do today - whether the malnourishment is intentional or not is no good to the body. And they had vegetables and cereal and milk. If they were able to add a few oranges, bananas and berries once in a while their diet could be something close to optimal.

      >If reality and memes disagree, reality is wrong
      Sup pol

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >If reality and memes disagree, reality is wrong
        This is the basis of the mandela effect, a level of ego so high that when faced with the prospect of being wrong, it's more likely we've just swapped realities to a different parallel universe

  24. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Post the recipe

  25. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    THE DIFFERENCE
    BETWEEN BREAD
    AND RUM
    SHALL
    NOT
    BE
    D I S C U S S E D

  26. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Typical Americanized bread:
    >cut with 10-20% calories from seed oils
    >has pesticide residue
    >gluten intolerance, which may be a mask for pesticide residue allergies
    >non-organic
    >not baked fresh daily like most Euro bread is
    >tons of strange preservative chemicals of unknown health effects

    I still eat it every day because it's the most convenient starchy food.
    If there was fresh cooked plain rice at the grocery, I would probably eat that a lot though.

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