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Can anyone confirm this meme
It's 'le funny meme' so it must be true
Not only is it a funny meme, but I heard Varg say this
Oh yeah then it must be true if Varg said it
Bump for interest.
Also “you have expensive pee” is a massive cope.
Respond with "Even your piss is poverty".
No that's classist
After the revolution, there will be pee day tests
If your piss is expensive, you will be sent with the politicians and billionaires to the labor camp
i recycle my urine into my garden beds so my piss is actually worth the expense
More CO2 in the atmosphere -> plants grow better -> significantly bigger but somewhat less nutritious yields
Thank you for that insight Professor Bro-Science
Same with cows. They grow bigger but yield less meat. CO2 is some amazing shit
My understanding is it's the nutrient density that went down. Like, a bigger plant from CO2 induced growth has similar levels of nutrition but spread out further across the plant.
The less nutritious yields comes from sustained monoculture buffed up by artificial fertilizers. The soils for farmlands suck right now which makes sense when you've only grown shit like wheat on the same plots for 6 decades.
This is false. Even non food crop plants exhibit this same behavior.
I have vegetable plantation in my garden, is homegrown healthier than the shit you buy at supermarkets and the like? I do use fertilizer but not much.
Farmed fruits looks different than wild fruits. Also wild fruits are almost unedible for the modern human.
Fruits (fructose) and vegetables (lectins and oxalates) are bad for you. You can get all necessary nutrients from meat and fat. You can't make a rational argument against this. Bye bye.
>You can't make a rational argument against this
I don't argue with schizos
Luv me orange juice.
Luv me natural source of potassium.
Hate me goyslop.
Wait until you hear how orange juice is actually made. Here is a hint. They don't just juice some oranges.
ask me how i know you're a mutt
My family was the leaders of the KKK.
Ask me how I know you're a goddamn gay eurotrash retard. Your reply doesn't even have anything to do with the fucking post.
>you have to buy orange juice
dude check out orange factories. the shit they use to make the peel is disgusting
>he buys the poor people orange "juice"
American "juice" lmao
Low IQ walking IST stereotype
Fruit juices are not good for you. You basically take a shit ton of fruits that you would normally not be able to eat becasue your stomach would fill up, and cram it into a glass that you can easily drink now. You also remove all the fiber, it is basically liquid sugar. Drinking your calories is the easiest way to overconsume and become a fatass.
>You basically take a shit ton of fruits that you would normally not be able to eat becasue your stomach would fill up
So, I get more nutrients than I could by eating them? Sounds efficient.
>You also remove all the fiber,
That's lucky, humans don't need that anyway as it causes IBS.
>basically liquid sugar
Sounds ideal for an active lifestyle
>Drinking your calories is the easiest way to overconsume and become a fatass
Yes, consuming calories is the easiest way to overconsume and become a fatass. Get your own fucking opinions.
>So, I get more nutrients than I could by eating them? Sounds efficient.
They barely fucking contain any nutrients because they diminish when you process. Also the only useful nutrient that oranges contain is vitamin c, which is water soluble so you can't even use the extra because you just piss it out.
>That's lucky, humans don't need that anyway as it causes IBS.
No it doesn't retard
>Sounds ideal for an active lifestyle
>Yes, consuming calories is the easiest way to overconsume and become a fatass. Get your own fucking opinions.
You are not able to consume the same amount calories by only eating you mouthbreathing, intentionally misleading motherfucker. Liquid calories don't satiate and fill you up the same way that solid foods do. That is why they are easier to overconsume, because you physically can't eat the same amount in solids. If you can't differentiate between the two you are an idiot. Fruitjuices are empty calories and are only detrimental, the belief that they are healthy are the biggest fucking misconception about nutrition that ever was. It is basically equivalent to drinking fucking soda. You should never fucking drink your carbohydrates.
>inb4 protein shakes
The whole fucking point of protein shakes is to get excess protein because it is borderline impossible physically eat that much to get the same amount. Also proteinshakes are not fucking sugar.
Carnivore is shitty for performance. You're gambling that high saturated fat and sodium is safe when it's in the context of a carnivore diet. You're gambling that you're getting an optimal level of micronutrients that are low in meat.
If you eat some organ meat every now and then you will get high levels of every nutrient, especially if you also eat seafood
except for fiber, which is an important component in keeping insulin levels low, which helps with reducing metabolic syndrome. Diets high in meat can also cause metabolic syndrome through dyslipidemia.
You're both right.
The only meat you should regularly eat for optimal health, other than fish, are organ meats.
organ meats taste like shit, though. You don't need to eat them for optimum health.
In fact, if you're reckless with organ meat you can very easily wind up in the hospital with hypervitaminosis. This usually happens if you take a supplement on top of a diet that contains regular consumption of liver.
Organ meats probably taste like shit if you've got a garbage palate cultivated by eating shit like fast food tendies. I'm sorry your parents didn't feed you traditional foods while you were growing up, anon.
well, they're dirt cheap for a reason, no one likes them.
That's specific to your culture. Organ meats are very popular where I live, I'm from a shithole country and not from the heckin McDonald's corn syrup hormone meat land.
your culture is just full of retarded peasants that couldn't afford any better food, so they ate the scraps
Says the guy whose government is trying to feed him a diet of chlorinated oversized mutant poultry with a side of hfcs to make it more palatable.
I'll enjoy my real food, pic related.
Buddy that's a stock photo. I have a sneaking suHispanicion you eat trash as well
If you don't eat carbs your insulin stays low
It doesn't matter if you are getting dyslipidemia from meat consumption which is then leading to metabolic disease.
Insulin is a big one, but after that it's the lipids. Meat is high in atherogenic lipoproteins.
You satisfy both problems by eating lots of fiber, as fiber helps mitigate blood sugar spikes, which leads to insulin spikes, which leads to insulin resistance, and it also reduces the amount of cholesterol your body is taking in.
It goes back to the stereotypical diet of meat and potatoes, both need to be consumed for optimal health. Our bodies naturally evolved to consume both to mitigate the damage of consuming only one
>Meat is high in atherogenic lipoproteins
Where is your randomized control trial proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that the lipoproteins contained in meat directly cause any harm to the arteries? I'll wait.
>insulin spikes leads to insulin resistance
Not exactly. It has more to do with the onset of overall metabolic dysfunction from eating the liquid form of oxidative stress for the past 150 years. Before that diabetes almost did not exist.
Humans did not evolve to eat potatoes. Roots and tubers were always starvation prevention. Meat was always preferred. We aren't gorillas. We don't have the gut specialization to digest and ferment plant fiber into short chain fatty acids like they do. We have a gut well adapted to eating primarily meat.
The necessity of fiber is way overblown. Can you eat it and be fine? Most people can. Should you seek it out actively? Highly questionable.
>liquid form of oxidative stress
oh no...it's a sneed oil schizo
>yeah bro so you know that cooking fat you've been using for millions of years? tallow and lard? that stuff ya know?
>its um...LE BAD
>use this PRODUCT that I made instead
>how did you make it?
>why are you asking?
>hmm fair point
>pic rel happens
I use butter for almost everything. Am I good? I do use nonstick spray for baking some things.
Also some oil for Greek salad in the summer.
You could make a very simple change and be better for it. It would take zero effort.
The spray stuff isn’t good and the oil in your salad probably isn’t either. If you want you can just rub a stick of butter on the pan or use a spray coconut/olive oil or something. For your salad if you’re going to use a plant oil just stick to olive oil.
The real secret is that seed oils are in nearly every single prepackaged food item on the store shelves. That’s what will really get you.
Seed oils oxidize at room temp into compounds that have been scientifically proven to induce oxidative stress in the human body. Something that can damage LDL particles, cause cancer and mitochondrial dysfunction which is a common trait in every modern chronic disease such as Alzheimer’s, diabetes, MS, you name it. Always mitochondrial dysfunction. There is a far more detailed rabbit hole you could dive down in order to understand this if you wish. Tucker Goodrich has collected a lot of data and studies about seed oils.
Is spray avocado oil ok?
It is far less regulated than even olive oil which can be a shitshow. There was a study out of UC Davis where they took a random 12 avocado oil brands off the shelf and 10 of them (iirc) were cut with seed oils.
Chosen foods is the one I use because it was one of the brands they tested that was legit and even still I rarely use it.
Always better to go with animal fat if you can. Coconut oil is like second best. Olive oil and avocado oil - be careful.
>Oh no my hecking nutrients
Nobody in the first world dies from the lack of nutrients. If anything people are overfed.
>Oh no my hecking nutrients
Nobody in the first world dies from the lack of nutrients. If anything people are overfed.
This is the most weak and bluepilled b8 of all time but do you even realize how far we have fallen since the dawn of agriculture? pic rel 4 u
I think the real question is why are so many grown men nowadays absolutely obsessed with fad diets and shit? dieting obsessively has always generally been a female thing. men are now hyper obsessed with spending hours arguing over what diet is best, like keto of vegan. what makes particular men so obsessed? I am assuming they become obsessed because they are correcting a problem, whether it’s weight, feeling bad, etc? are men developing intolerances to food? becoming genetically weaker for some reason? what’s going on
Because only 12% of the adult population of the united states is metabolically healthy. Everyone is fucked, anon. Everyone is trying to figure out how to fix their shit by 30-40 because the advice they've been given their whole life didn't fucking work. The diet they grew up on was a bunch of garbage and their bodies reaped the consequences at some point. 70% of the adults United States are at the very least overweight. AT THE VERY LEAST.
The carnivore diet advocates are either retarded or schizophrenic. They have schizo epistemic standards, basically reject the hierarchy of evidence and go with "well our ancestors did X, so X is good for us", or they are schizos who cherry pick unrelated mechanistic data instead of looking at the health outcome studies regarding eating lots of vegetables.
Don't knock it til you try it gay.
>health outcome studies regarding eating lots of vegetables
Oh you mean the ones conducted by the seventh day adventist loony bin?
Try this study looking at the health outcomes of 90% of the population of the planet with regards to meat consumption on a population level.
>Two things both increased in the modern era so they must be correlated
Had no idea seed oils also built jet engines and cause internet porn use.
fiber is literally not required, we JUST shit it out.
If you eat carbs it can mitigate the insulin response to an extent, but it has no use other than that. It just makes you have beefier shits, not always a good thing.
That's a fun study on constipation comparing a high fiber to a no fiber diet.
You'll never believe what they found!
>t. spends 200$ on toilet paper every month
I've heard this before and I have no idea why this would be. I have super clean shits. Like 3 wipes max and frequently the first wipe is clean. Someone lied to you.
post your clean shit right now with time stap and monthly grocery bill with body and social security
>vegetables are bad for you
literal toddler behaviour
>all the nutrients you need are in meat
Liver King claims another victim
Can you debunk the all the nutrients you need are in meat? no?
Difficult to gain PUFAs from meats, which, in large quantities would be cancer inducing, but in smaller quantities are basically cleaning up irregularities in you.
Also, imagine using minerals (salt) and salads (pepper, garlic) just to make meat palatable, literal pleb
Can you prove it? No?
There's nothing wrong with fruit (for most people) but you're right. Fruit and honey (fructose) are ancestrally appropriate foods that we have always eaten as long as they existed, however meat is king.
Only bad for you if you have a shit digestion system
fructose and glucose are essential for healthy thyroid function, Frank Tufano and the sisters from the channel Strong Sistas are 2 relevant examples of peopel who quit the carnivore diet for something more balanced. find Jesus and research about Ray Peat
Why would you consume oranges for vitamin a? Eat a carrot Lmao.
>Eat a carrot Lmao
I got a carrot you can eat you little homo.
carrots dont contain retinol, bub
my ipad has a retinol screen tradcucks btfo technology rules
unless the nutrition facts are lying and they're using ancient numbers it's easy to get your vitamins from food
There is no retinol in carrots. Enjoy the deficiency.
I've been on IST since 2009 so whenever I see someone misuse the word "meme," which is basically every time it's used these days, I rage.
It's literally a picture with text (which is what a meme is) you fucking boomer. Fr people are getting dumber and dumber on this site.
Wrong. A meme is a viral joke. Like pingas. No one person can make a meme. It takes a community.
You're some litle gay that started hearing normie using it wrong and now you think that's the actual definition when really what you're describing is just A FUCKING IMAGE. Not every image in existence is a meme. "Look a picture of a horse. If I write any random word over it it's now a meme. Lol look at this viral meme I made"
Sure grandpa. Ong, people these days haha
Allow me to tell you zoomers and normies how the word "meme" went from meaning, a specific kind of image, to any image.
First of all the image, or joke, has to be viral. As such it will probably be used in a variety of branching off ways. Like "guile's theme goes with everything" was a meme, being used in a variety of situations.
Courage wolf and foul bachelor frog were the first low effort "memes." They were viral and had many variations. But this format spiraled out of controlled and then you had "socially awkward penguin" and other knock offs. Eventually so many low effort, forced memes were made that normies started thinking "any image that has words on it, is a meme"
Now you have gays that think any image in the world, viral or not, with words on it or not, is a meme, as long as it's intended to be humorous. It could be an image a 5 year old made and nobody could no about it except his grandma, and he would gayishly says "look granny, I made a meme." No it's not. It's not a viral concept being shared around in a community like long cat, or pedobear. It's just a random image you made in your basement and nobody knows about it. It's not a meme.
You, sir, are and idiot 🙂
Imagine thinking anyone on IST will read this.
fucking based and true words pilled
gays will hate you for telling the truth
Pray tell oh wise scholar, what word you would use to describe funny images with text shared in a digital format?
>they hated him for telling the truth
I personally agree to an extent. The issue is that language is evolving rapidly and we didn't bother to create new words for these new phenomenon we're experiencing day in and day out. "Meme" has evolved to mean any image created to amuse or spread an idea within a designated community, regardless of it's success.
Boomer reaction images lover
Except meme is from The Selfish Gene which was published in, like, the 70s.
Not that I care that it was coopted by internet culture. The Selfish Gene, except for the stuff that's specific to the premise of the book, is a lot of horseshit. The invention of the "meme" and its popularisation is a normie mistake, the real meat of that book is looking at evolution from the perspective of the gene, rather than the organism that carries it.
people have been having this conversation over and over again for almost 2 decades at this point
>I've been on IST since 2009
No fuckhead you're wrong. A meme is an idea so it is being used correctly. Also, I've been here longer than you.
plants dont have vitamin a. fucking retarded. you get it from liver
imagine being this ignorant
human body woefully inefficient at synthesizing beta carotene into retinoids. you're a FUCKING RETARD
it's a copy past from https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/soil-depletion-and-nutrition-loss/
It's true just not for reasons people tout. Increasing CO2 levels promotes very fast growth for plants. So comparing 1 1950s tomato to 1 currentyear tomato, I'd wager current year tomato has more nutrients, but only because it's going to be much bigger.
A comparison of 100g 1950s tomato to 100g currentyear tomato would obviously show the reverse. In any case, in any year, unless you lived next to the sea and ate lots of seafood, you'd want supplements for potassium, magnesium, iodine and so on... Cooking already damages most vitamins so you'd want supplements for those too.
There's this misconception that people were healthier in the early 20th century but that's not really true. Maybe, pre-industrial revolution, where the average peasant (outside of shit holes like medieval france or russia), would eat 4000+ calories a day due to manual labor they could get enough food in to cover nutrients. But you're average 1950s 9-5 pencil pusher got 50% of his calories from the flavorings in the cigarettes they smoked and rightly died on heart attacks in their 50s.
>would obviously show
>but that's not really true
That's a lot of speculation there champ.
Source - he pulled it outa his ass
this peasant eating 4000 kilos myth is absurd. read ferdinand braudel. famines were a regular occurance all throughout europe through until the 19th century. peasants had to sell their wheat to market and survive off of inferior grains and meats. look at contemporary paintings of peasants, like from frans hals or brughel; they're toothless and ruddy looking people, not anywhere near the picture of health.
In which work does Braudel say this? It would be heterodox in the field of agrarian history.
capitalism and civilization 15-18thc
Volume 2, but the other anon has not remembered this graph
>people eating at a wedding
What was the intention behind posting this image?
This isn't true. Nitrate containing fertilizers that dont have a corresponding increase in boron or calcium result in a large crop but it's larger cause its more water weight
i take GNC Mega Man Sport once a week. more than that *might* be bad for the liver so i don't want to overdo it
larp, still won't buy your synthetic pills
Imo, it's true that with gmos, artificial fertilizers, and overall the process of mass producing produce the overall nutritional quality is greatly lowered compared to the produce of a few generations back. When it comes to pills, the source is the most important part imo. If you buy whole food extract pills with enzymes or other plant compounds for improved digestibility, your probably getting nutrients from it. If you buy the cheapest gas station pills you are wasting your money and fucking up your health most likely.
Yes. Modern fruits & vegetables have been bred to grow bigger, while maintaining micronutrient content per unit mass was not a priority. Obviously.
>founded by supplement companies
just eat a bunch of different fruit and veg. get your vitamin D and B12 levels checked anually and supplement if necessary. pretty much everyone over the age of is vitamin D deficient.
source: medical school
oh yeah, also iron studies.
Wow decline of like 20% that means you need to eat like a fraction of a vegetable more to get the same effect that our grandparents did??? I'm ordering the next heckin multi asap!!!
vegetables are a scam
>random trash article by a random trash """"journalist""""
Same with meat my friend, they pump and feed the cattle with all kind of shady stuff.
Home grown food is the only answer.
>Grow the same plant on the same soil for decades
>Literally using up minerals in soil, have to supplement it with fertilizers
> Yea bro for some ungodly reason the nutrition levels have been dropping in fruits and stuff, no idea why
Sure, gay. You can't exacly crop rotate the fruit trees, so they inevitably will create less and less of a value from the gradually depleted soil they have.
This is basic agriculture knowledge. Of course you need supplements if you live in an area that's poor in their natural form.
Vit D for those who live north, and those that have winters
Vit A for countries with longer nights
Vit B to city dwellers
Zinc for all males
Deez nuts for females ±7 years my age
Decades of GMO, fertilizers and other shit can't have any other result than this. We are basically eating something that resembles salad, tomato or potato.
Nutrition levels in food are definitely even lower nowadays.
If the drops are consistently averaging around 20-30% then you would just need to eat 1.25-1.43 oranges. That 8 times figure is completely on its own compared to the entire paragraph before it.
none of those vitamins and minerals matters because there's food that's so high in them that with one serving you get a susbstantial amount of your daily value or you meet it entirely.
2 bites of a carrot will get you 100% dv of vit A, drinking some milk and eating some cheese will get you your calcium, eating a burger will get you your iron, eating some potatoes or bananas will cover potassium. Drinking 8 oz of orange juice or eating 1 orange will give you 100-200% dv of vit C.
Oranges are also very low in vit A, why the fuck would you be eating an orange for vit A when you literally can take 2 bites of a carrot.
>Need to eat 8 bananas or 5 potatoes with skin to get the minimum of 2g potassium needed
Bad meme. Just use a salt substitute, they usually have the required ratio of sodium to potassium of 4:7 as well.
Also carrots have 0 vit A. Just b-carotene.
you do realize that pretty much everything has potassium in it. If you eat a diet of whole foods, you are going to easily meet your potassium requirements each day. This means eating a banana or a serving of potatoes at least once.
Salt substitutes are not good for people not living in asia as you are removing the majority of iodine you get from your diet if you use a salt substitute.
Vitamin A alone can be very toxic to the body in high doses. Your body takes as much beta carotene as it needs to create vitamin A. It is quite clear how I explained this how beta carotene is far superior to vitamin A since there is almost no way for you to get a toxic amount of vitamin A from beta carotene as your body will just discard what it doesn't need. Some of the best supplements work in this way in that they do not provide the compound specifically, but they provide the building blocks for it.
>your daily value
Is intentionally incredibly low in order to hide how malnutritioned everyone is. The bare minimum needed not to be crippingly ill is far different from the amount for optimal health.
I'm not sure it's quite that extreme, but, yes, nutritional value in fresh produce has been going down these past 50 years.
I'm fairly certain OP's epic maymay is cherry picking a timeframe to make the problem seem more extreme than it is; choosing to start from the 70s is odd, since this has been known about since the 1950s.
Reasons for this are not quite known, but it's thought to mostly be a combination of poor land management (mass production of cereal crops all year round instead of rotating a variety of crops to enrich the soil) and the fact that we started to allow produce to ripen on shelves.
Another reason is that fertilizers are made to contain the micronutrients the specific plant needs to grow, not the ones we as consumers want it to absorb. People can't judge vitamin and mineral content in the store, so consumer choice can't fix this.
Meat still has every nutrient in high amounts. No plant has vitamin a, they only have beta caretine
Supplements are fake versions of the nutrients which your body can scarcely absorb
No one seems to understand this very simple concept that has been scientifically proven.
Everyone was always told to eat yer veggies so they MUST be healthy. Surely there's no other reason - like actually eating something and getting calories and not being hungry.
My favorite thing is how vegetable defenders love to talk about all these studies that claim health benefits of fruits and vegetables. Guess what? The benefit is the lardass study participant stopped eating goyslop and instead ate a real piece of food.
i can confirm that this is a meme
science says that we evolved to eat hydrogenated deodorized oils and corn syrup, incels will disagree though
>thinking vegetables are the only way to get nutrients
you've internalised too many eat-healthy campaigns from when you were 5
>3 studies. No links provided to said studies.
You are retarded. You can find low quality, poorly sourced studies to support literally any opinion you want. Try looking up whether where are neurological differences between men and women, or whether or not eggs are healthy, you'll find dozens of studies with opposing, contradictory results.
The Kushi institute closed 5 years ago and you didn't cite the study.
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its a good thing all those vitamins are found much more abundantly in meat.
yes, even vitamin C you retard
decent bait 7.5/10
>decent bait 7.5/10
I’m not baiting. It’s a natural human concern to be malnourished because for all of human existence it was a major concern. Only in the last 50 years has the opposite problem started to occur, but our natural human psychology is geared toward being concerned with the lack of something
>literally just wanting to eat naturally occurring foods that havent been bastardized by the industrial revolution
I dont know why a lot of you guys are absolutely wrong but it goes like this. Your average vegetable that you get in the store is pumped full with GMO's and such. The vegetables have been grown in order to have a higher yield ripen faster and be resistant to diseases. The problem with this is that the fruit or vegetable no longer has the required amount of energy to create and stock up on the nutrients that are normally found in said vegetables. A really good book about this is the Dorito affect and I recommend everyone hear reads it
>eating oranges for vitamine A
>eating vegatables for calcium
you wot m8
It's just because conventional produce has been genetically engineered to be artificially large and visually appealing to attract consumers in a grocery store setting, eat organic and this won't be an issue
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