Can anyone give me advice?
What’s a good full time job to have while also in classes full time?
How do I land a WFH job? I’ll do call support idgaf if it pays the bills, WFH would be ideal if I take classes again.
And, has anyone moved out on the bare minimum gone back to school and struggled for a few years while completing their degree? That’s what I’m trying to do. I’m 27, I need to leave the nest. I think a WFH job would be ideal while I’m in school, even if all I did was school, study, work, gym. I’m okay with that.
If you live in the USA, and you dont want to be an engineer, lawyer, or doctor, just get a trade job. You’ll make enough money to be a normal human, and you’ll have spare time to spend chasing the big dirty. School is literally for girls.
>Dude just join the trades dude it’s great >school is for girls
I just left the trades. Drop the delusional machismo crap if this is the defining factor in your worth as man then I have bad news for you.
This. The trades are not for people who self improveme. The amount of fags who will bring you down for even eating a proper breakfast instead of shitty gas station pizza in un-fucking-real. Let alone any major things like not cracking a cold 1 after work, not being a nicotine addict, and not wanting to work assloads of OT for alimony/because you hate your home life.
I couldn’t have said it better myself. It sounded cool, fun even at first. But I will know willing put myself in such a shitty situation around such shitty people to destroy my body so that I can maybe earn the same wages as some gay in an office doing half the hours. I found a career I’d actually love, which is still active. But I need a bachelors at minimum to do it. Idk how to make my ends meet while I’m in school unless I can get a WFH job.
Purely just so I can squeeze in some short bursts of studying while I’m on the clock.
This. I got a 4 year degree I'll never use and now I lay bricks and swing hammers and make about $5,500 a month and I quite literally just started my LLC two months ago. I have friends in the trades who make 6 figures and work 7 months a year.
Do trades. AI can do every other job in the world except those.
The kind of man that can make 6 figures in a trade of the kind of man that could make a lot more with a degree.
For stupid and lazy people, degrees are a waste of time and money but those people don’t do well in trades either.
This. I got a 4 year degree I'll never use and now I lay bricks and swing hammers and make about $5,500 a month and I quite literally just started my LLC two months ago. I have friends in the trades who make 6 figures and work 7 months a year.
Do trades. AI can do every other job in the world except those.
A four year degree is biggest income divider in the US surprisingly enough. While trade schools are fine, they're kind of a meme. Find something you like bro.
My full time job is selling cars at a Mercedes dealership. This earns me about £50K a year.
As my thing on the side I'm a landlord. I own 3 properties including my own house and earn about £35K a year. £20K of that comes from students as I converted a house near the university into flats.
Don't care if you seethe at this. I look after my tenants.
Anybody that seethe about labdlords is a huge gay. What are you gonna do I nobody is renting out their properties? You gonna buy a house? No, you're not, you're a lazy, broke, piece of shit. You'll make some argument about communism like a dumbest highschooler.
That's not how it works. The market, in America, is privatized. There is a demand for rental properties because not everyone wants to buy a house. What if you don't plan on living somewhere permanently? You gonna buy a house there? By the way, people aren't going to just build homes and leave them there, retard. Someone has to pay the contractors to build them.
The demand for rental properties is driven by people hording properties with the primary aim of increasing their price. If you don’t want to live somewhere permanently, you buy something and sell it later. When you buy a house, you’re not commuting to owning it until death.
guess what happens when everyone is buying houses? It'd be embarrassing if you're over 20 and are literally this stupid. Praying for you
All the houses are being bought already. That’s why prices are going up. The problem is that they are being bought by a small minority of people who intend on driving up the prices as much as possible.
God damn you're dumb. Don't worry, your moms house will always be cheaper than renting or buying, so you don't have to worry about the real world.
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Anonymous
Yh good one.
Exactly. Otherwise the house would remain derelict. Not all landlords do this but I actually undercharge for the area too.
The average student rent near me is 7K per student but I only charge 5.5K.
Renovating a house is not the same as being a landlord. You repairing it is adding value so it is fair you profit from this. The problem is caused by you continuing to own it instead of selling to someone who intends to live in it.
1 week ago
Anonymous
Sounds like a non issue. I'm giving someone a home at a price that's lower than the area average. I've renovated it and taken it off of auction.
If I didn't buy it, it would be been left empty and nobody would get it. So what of I make a bit of money.
>All the houses are being bought already. That’s why prices are going up.
No, all the houses are being bought in the massive urban sardine cans you want to be in. There are plenty of houses here in "flyover" country lol
1 week ago
Anonymous
Not everyone is in the US. Landlording is a problem globally.
They think housing is some kind of right that should be granted to them, when in reality, they are commodities. Somebody builds them, somebody buys them. The people that don't want to buy or can't, rent them. If they are so against landlords, they can go buy a cheap piece of land and build their own house.
Correct. I bought my first house at an auction for 30K and spent 10K renovating it. You can literally get a mortgage and start renting it out to pay off the mortgage.
They'read because they're too dumb to understand the process.
Exactly. Plus you're providing a necessary service. You're adding a rental property to the market, which, as crazy as it may seem to these people, are in high demand.
1 week ago
Anonymous
Exactly. Otherwise the house would remain derelict. Not all landlords do this but I actually undercharge for the area too.
The average student rent near me is 7K per student but I only charge 5.5K.
Correct. I bought my first house at an auction for 30K and spent 10K renovating it. You can literally get a mortgage and start renting it out to pay off the mortgage.
They'read because they're too dumb to understand the process.
Exactly. Plus you're providing a necessary service. You're adding a rental property to the market, which, as crazy as it may seem to these people, are in high demand.
You two are fucking retarded. People don’t choose to rent these days, they have to because a minority group of leeches buy and then restrict the supply with aim of increasing the price, similar to ticket scalpers. Landlords do not add any value. I agree that thinking housing should be free is retarded but the average earner should be able to afford the average house.
Tons of people choose to rent. I rented for almost 15 years, not because I had to, but because I wasn't ready to buy home.
Of course some landlords are shitty, but it's a private market. There is literally a market value for rent in an area. What would you suggest? Federally owned and controlled housing? Should we do the same thing for cars? Should you be able to provide any services that people need/want? I know you're young, and you'll understand one day, unless you are a loser for the rest of your life.
1 week ago
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I would argue that a lot of the reasons people are ‘not ready to buy’ are to do with it being too expensive. Also, if we go with your car example. The current system is that a car is made, goes to a dealership and is then sold to someone who then drives it. If the car market operated like the housing market then the car would be made then someone would buy it along with as many other cars as possible, therefore stopping people who want to use it from buying it. They would then charge people for using their supply of cars. You can see how this is a problem right? And how the markets work in a different way?
I charge under market value, you gimp. If you're struggling to even rent you need to sort your life out. You can ALWAYS be better.
The problem isn’t the price you charge, it’s that you do it at all. I don’t struggle financially. Yes, I can be better - you can too and in your case being better would mean selling your properties to people who intend to live in them.
Sounds like a non issue. I'm giving someone a home at a price that's lower than the area average. I've renovated it and taken it off of auction.
If I didn't buy it, it would be been left empty and nobody would get it. So what of I make a bit of money.
You’re missing the distinction between you buying, renovating then renting the property vs you buying, renovating then selling the property. You buying and renovating the property is good because you are adding value to it - you deserve to profit from this. You renting the property is bad because you aren’t adding value to it so don’t deserve to profit.
1 week ago
Anonymous
So it's bad if an individual profit from rent but not if the government or private company do?
I just know you're under 25.
1 week ago
Anonymous
That’s not what I said. It’s bad if ANYONE profits from rent because they are profiting from doing nothing. It’s not bad if ANYONE profits from building/renovating because they are providing a service to society.
1 week ago
Anonymous
Welcome to the real world. You wouldn't have a home if there wasn't money in property. You'd have to build your own with mud and sticks.
1 week ago
Anonymous
You’re right but the money in property should be earned by people providing a service eg building or renovating homes, not by people who don’t provide a service ie landlords.
1 week ago
Anonymous
Landlords don't just own a property. They take care of it, because it's their property. The renter simply pays to love there for an agreed amount of time.
1 week ago
Anonymous
Yo, renting property is work. You have no idea the kind of work that goes in to owning real estate and then taking a chance on someone. I've sunk so much money into my property, just to have some scumbags move in, destroy the place, and not pay rent by holding it up in civil court. So much money out of my pocket. You do know that when you own a house you have to pay for repairs, or do them yourself, take care of the lawn, pay the utilities, pay the insurance, there's literally always shit happening to your property. That's another reason why people rent or get an home in an HOA. It's convenient to live in a place and not have to worry about all fo that shit. You just pay rent, and that appeals to a lot of people in a lot of situations.
1 week ago
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Kys
1 week ago
Anonymous
I was an firefighter/EMT for a couple years. Realized I hated structural firefighting and quit cold turkey a few weeks ago. Have an interview in a week for an airport fire/rescue gig, which is amazing because I'm already a student pilot and now have an opportunity to network at the flight school I'll be sharing a working space with.
Not an argument you disgusting NEET.
Yo, renting property is work. You have no idea the kind of work that goes in to owning real estate and then taking a chance on someone. I've sunk so much money into my property, just to have some scumbags move in, destroy the place, and not pay rent by holding it up in civil court. So much money out of my pocket. You do know that when you own a house you have to pay for repairs, or do them yourself, take care of the lawn, pay the utilities, pay the insurance, there's literally always shit happening to your property. That's another reason why people rent or get an home in an HOA. It's convenient to live in a place and not have to worry about all fo that shit. You just pay rent, and that appeals to a lot of people in a lot of situations.
is completely right.
1 week ago
Anonymous
Imagine simping for landlords kek you're a cuck
Tell me how you'd feel if investment firms and boomers bought a large enough portion of automobiles that the average price of one was $100k
Are they still providing a service by taking care of the maintenance and allowing you to drive it for $800 a month plus gas?
1 week ago
Anonymous
You'd never be able to buy the car if you're in a position of having to rent.
You're an idiot.
1 week ago
Anonymous
Are you sub 80iq lmao it's a hypothetical forget about renting a house smoothbrain hell pretend you own a house and have to lease a car for an arbitrary amount that isn't reasonable or affordable for you and tell me if you think a service is being provided
1 week ago
Anonymous
You're implying that the service is unreasonably priced. Get a fucking job.
1 week ago
Anonymous
I make more than you dumbass firecuck not that that's saying much
1 week ago
Anonymous
I guarantee you don't. If you did you wouldn't be crying about landlords.
1 week ago
Anonymous
This ‘work’ you’re describing boils down to just making people pay rent which isn’t a service.
You’re mixing in being a landlord with providing property management. If your business model was to charge homeowners a monthly fee for sorting out their utilities, lawns, maintenance etc as you describe, it wouldn’t be a problem because you are providing a service. You would deserve to profit from this.
As it stands, landlords aren’t even responsible for most of the things you describe, tenants are, and landlords can easily afford to pay for all of those things anyway from their undeserved rental income.
I have posted a lot of anti-landlord rhetoric ITT so I would like to make clear that I do not think landlords are necessarily bad people; I think landlording is a bad practice. This is an important distinction. Also, there is a scale of how bad for society different landlords are. People who rent out the extra house they inherited are worlds apart from multinational corporations that buy up entire towns to convert them to rental properties.
1 week ago
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What would your solution be to the reality of excess capital. If you have people who spend less than they make, and they have a bunch of excess capital, what do you propose they do with it? Your argument seems to be that profit earned without a service provided is morally wrong. Housing stands out because the difference between a wealthy landlord and struggling renter is so stark. But doing nothing with the excess capital is not realistic. If one were to invest it in the stock market, do you see that as a service that they ought to profit from? If they do nothing but hoard cash, it will do nothing except depreciate in value. Giving away the excess cash is also not realistic, and I can hardly blame people for being cynical to believe that much of what they give away will be cut into by brokers. You’re critical of the landlording practice, but what is your solution to what someone should do with excess capital? And don’t tell me it’s immoral to have excess capital. If you spend less than you earn, you have excess
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Their excess capital shouldn’t be used to harm society. You seem to imply that if people didn’t have the choice of being a landlord, they would have no other way of using their excess capital and it would just rot away doing nothing. This isn’t true at all. They could choose to spend it, they could choose to start a useful business etc etc. There are many, many ways a person may choose to use their wealth and it is ultimately their choice. I don’t care how people use their wealth as long as it doesn’t harm society and as long as it is rightfully earned. I agree with you that people shouldn’t be forced to give their stuff away for nothing. I also agree with you that it isn’t immoral to have excess capital. However, it is immoral to use your excess capital to harm society for your own benefit and this is why I object to landlording.
I rent my house. It’s €1k a month for 275m2 7 bed rooms and 2k sq lawn with an extra house which can be used as a garage but I built my gym in there instead. Most apartments go for more but this landlord wants to create a community so he just rent out at a price where he believe people will live for 20 years forward. Reason we got the house was because we had a 1 yr old kid.
The real parasites are the people that rent other people's properties instead of buying their own. Imagine living in someone else's house lmao what a cuck.
"earn" is really the dumbest possible word that could be used for how much money a person OBTAINS a year. How did people ever start using the word "earn".
I knew a lot of people who thought that way at university. They're either hippies who think all land should be free or some Marxist retard who wants everything evenly distributed.
It makes people seethe because it’s not providing a service yet it still produces profit. And not anyone can get into this market because home ownership is unaffordable for most people
That kinda what I gathered. I don't own a house (yet) but the fact that if the heat/ac goes out, or the roof needs replaced, or the property needs a new well. The landlord is paying for that shit. Even if you're not a landlord, buying a house is an investment and as a renter I have a place to live with zero financial risk, that's the service.
It makes people seethe because it’s not providing a service yet it still produces profit. And not anyone can get into this market because home ownership is unaffordable for most people
>And not anyone can get into this market because home ownership is unaffordable for most people
In the US can literally go to the bank and get a USDA home loan with no down payment. You're actually just a mouth breathing retard.
1 week ago
Anonymous
>he thinks landlords provide these services.
No they're protecting their investment you idiot, they can and do reject requests from tenants for quality of life improvements all the time.
>zero financial risk
That's not correct at all, tenants are liable for damages and can even be on the hook for paying for natural wear and tear of a property if they're not sufficiently educated on tenancy law. There's also the constant invasion of privacy, the risk of having their access to their home removed from them, or be out priced. There's a fuckload of risk with renting. Most tenants would happily pay to fix house issues (which rarely happens, and is often covered by insurance) if it was their own home they were putting equity into.
Maybe just stop and think a bit deeper on these issues next time, or just stick to topics you are actually educated on
1 week ago
Anonymous
>>he thinks landlords provide these services.
They do provide those services. Landlords are required by law to provide a habitable residence. It has to be safe to live in, without dangerous conditions, and with usable heat, utilities, and water. Your landlord is required to make any necessary repairs to keep your unit in reasonable condition while you live there. Cope and seethe. It's the law. You would know that if you weren't lying about being a landlord on a japanese basket weaving forum, or just stick to topics you are actually educated on.
>Most tenants would happily pay to fix house issues (which rarely happens, and is often covered by insurance)
It's evident you're a 16 year old who has never had to make an insurance claim in your life.
1 week ago
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>It's the law
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1 week ago
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>>it's the law (laughing face)
what did he mean by this?
Because if you stopped providing the "service" the house would still exist. If landlords did not exist, houses would still exist. If a landlord was forced to give up excess properties, they would either be picked up by someone wanting to become a landlord or someone wanting to own a house. That's it. Landlords are not providing a service
Im literally a landlord as well, and landlords deserve hate if they have over two rental properties. Im in some landlord forums and groups, the vast majority are violently out of touch and are nothing but predatory. There are good landlords out there, but they only ever have one or two properties and manage them privately. Stop licking landlord boot, everyone is just here to make money
I technically don't have a title at my job. Closest thing I've got is "Client Systems Administrator", but even that isn't completely accurate.
Basically I do whatever the fuck I want 95% of the time, and any issues that get sent my way are usually resolved in 5 minutes max. My job offers me such flexibility that I can go to the gym in the middle of the day, work out for a couple hours, then come back with no consequence. It's fucking great.
It’s not a service because there is no value added. The landlord functions as an unnecessary middleman, like a ticket scalper. They own the house and that’s it. You may say ‘they provide maintenance etc etc’ but this isn’t how a landlord derbies their income. They derive their income by owning the house. Owning a house isn’t a service. Property maintenance is a service and it’s important to distinguish between these two because they are commonly mixed up in pro-landlord arguments.
The guy you replied to has been seething about it since the post was made.
He's a wagie who's mad thay someone has a better life.
I’m not a wagie. And I’m not angry that there are people with better lives than me. If people provide more value to society than me, they deserve a better life. I’m angry because landlords make society worse yet profit immensely.
That kinda what I gathered. I don't own a house (yet) but the fact that if the heat/ac goes out, or the roof needs replaced, or the property needs a new well. The landlord is paying for that shit. Even if you're not a landlord, buying a house is an investment and as a renter I have a place to live with zero financial risk, that's the service.
[...] >And not anyone can get into this market because home ownership is unaffordable for most people
In the US can literally go to the bank and get a USDA home loan with no down payment. You're actually just a mouth breathing retard.
As a renter, you are at a significant financial disadvantage to homeowners. That’s the risk. Also, the world doesn’t operate like the US. I looked into these loans and they do seem helpful for some. But there are lots of conditions attached eg you can only buy homes in rural areas and there are income requirements etc. So it’s not a viable option for everyone. Everyone should be able to buy a house to own and live in.
>>he thinks landlords provide these services.
They do provide those services. Landlords are required by law to provide a habitable residence. It has to be safe to live in, without dangerous conditions, and with usable heat, utilities, and water. Your landlord is required to make any necessary repairs to keep your unit in reasonable condition while you live there. Cope and seethe. It's the law. You would know that if you weren't lying about being a landlord on a japanese basket weaving forum, or just stick to topics you are actually educated on.
>Most tenants would happily pay to fix house issues (which rarely happens, and is often covered by insurance)
It's evident you're a 16 year old who has never had to make an insurance claim in your life.
Providing property maintenance is distinct from being a landlord. If landlords didn’t exist, you could still get all these services.
I rent my house. It’s €1k a month for 275m2 7 bed rooms and 2k sq lawn with an extra house which can be used as a garage but I built my gym in there instead. Most apartments go for more but this landlord wants to create a community so he just rent out at a price where he believe people will live for 20 years forward. Reason we got the house was because we had a 1 yr old kid.
So at the end of this 20 year period, your landlord will have €240,000 in rental income from you and an asset that is worth significantly more than at the start. Their financial position will be hugely improved. What will you have? Nothing. You see how you are at a major disadvantage?
>Plenty of houses for every >Houses are affordable >Rich come in and compete with each other to buy all the houses >Housing prices become vastly inflated because of the extra demand from people with great means >Most houses now owned by landlords >Kids can't buy into the market since they are competing with the rich instead of with other kids >"Just be born rich"
Great system anon. Although I am living in a country where almost half of all residential property is held by non-owner occupiers, and housing prices are 10x median income (banks will let you borrow around 4x so a couple both working full time need to save for roughly 10 years to buy into the market, assuming they won't have kids). Might be different in the US but this is your future if you don't delegalize residential property investment.
This is a great explanation of how landlords work against the interest of society. Housing being unaffordable and inaccessible is good for landlords but bad for society.
no one with actual money or that is comfortable would be seething this hard about land lords.
Get help
1 week ago
Anonymous
NTA but he’s completely right and I’m a richfag. Landlords NECESSARILY charge you the cost of the mortgage on the apartment + the cost of maintenance + extra (profit) + tip. The reason they are able to do this is because they have $ to drop on several down payments.
I don’t know why people like you are so quick to deny this. It’s incredibly obvious. Hell, landlords themselves will tell you exactly how it works on youtube.
1 week ago
Anonymous
You can try and attack me personally all you want. It doesn't change the fact that what I am saying is correct.
Sometimes a middleman is useful. Let's say I have a job that requires me to move to a new city every 6 to 8 months. Do I just have to buy a house every year?
I guess curious what your alternative would be to having a landlord to rent you a property.
Better example, a guy I used to work with was building a new house on a piece of property he owned and he had a guy from out of state come and pay cash for his current house that was listed. The house he was building was months away from being lived in but now he had to move out of his current house. What is he supposed to do in this situation, be forced to purchase a house he only needs for 6 months, or would it be advantageous to rent a house?
>Plenty of houses for every >Houses are affordable >Rich come in and compete with each other to buy all the houses >Housing prices become vastly inflated because of the extra demand from people with great means >Most houses now owned by landlords >Kids can't buy into the market since they are competing with the rich instead of with other kids >"Just be born rich"
Great system anon. Although I am living in a country where almost half of all residential property is held by non-owner occupiers, and housing prices are 10x median income (banks will let you borrow around 4x so a couple both working full time need to save for roughly 10 years to buy into the market, assuming they won't have kids). Might be different in the US but this is your future if you don't delegalize residential property investment.
I largely agree with this, but the US still has a truly immense space into which homes could still be built. Europe is pretty capped spacially and can't realistically expand so much as increase density.
America has the space, and it's constantly being used to expand. There's always buildings coming up that increase supply again. No doubt this is ultimately delaying the inevitable, but I think it'll be pretty consistent for some years to decades.
>Europe is pretty capped spatially
you have oubviously never been to Europe. There are massive areas that are completely void of population.
Diagonale du vide in France, anything north of Oslo, any eastern europe region that’s not close to water.
Just because the UK or Italy are pretty crowded doesn’t mean Europe is.
As a matter of fact if the whole continent were to have the density of the UK Europe could house one billion people with ease.
You stupid fuck.
I don't speak whatever that is, can you try again in American?
1 week ago
Anonymous
Sure, if you insist.
Claro, si insistes.
I largely agree with this, but the US still has a truly immense space into which homes could still be built. Europe is pretty capped spacially and can't realistically expand so much as increase density.
America has the space, and it's constantly being used to expand. There's always buildings coming up that increase supply again. No doubt this is ultimately delaying the inevitable, but I think it'll be pretty consistent for some years to decades.
>Europe is pretty capped spatially
obviamente nunca has estado en Europa. Hay áreas masivas que están completamente vacías de población.
Diagonale du vide en Francia, cualquier cosa al norte de Oslo, cualquier región de Europa del Este que no esté cerca del agua.
El hecho de que el Reino Unido o Italia estén bastante llenos no significa que Europa lo esté.
De hecho, si todo el continente tuviera la densidad del Reino Unido, Europa podría albergar a mil millones de personas con facilidad.
Estúpido de mierda.
Yep the issue is quality of life degrades moving away from cities and into the middle of nowhere. Landlords consolidate wealth too, so in my country the middle class has become significantly poorer than it was historically.
all the 'engineer' when I got out had me rolling. At some point while I was in I think they just globally renamed technicians into engineers and nobody noticed
I had a co-worker on my department who just took a job in Idaho for wildland. Bro just moved from a town of 150,000 to a town of 40. I'm not tough enough for wildland shit.
I was in Idaho last year. Town of less than 300 and spitting distance from Yellowstone NP. The difference in elevation really makes you question your fitness, I went from living in a city at less than 1000ft elevation to over 6000ft. Felt like my muscles were becoming beef jerky out there in the desert heat, rip gym gains
Based fellow wildland anon. The job can be fucking grueling and miserable at times but you get tons of awesome stories to tell. Speaking of, you got any fun ones to tell?
There's one in particular from my first season that still makes my butthole clench when I think about it >be me on my third IA ever >middle of nowhere, Colorado, severity roll >little half-acre lightning fire >Type 6 crew, so it's just me with three other guys rolling up to the base of a mountain >can't drive up it, so we climb it on foot, couple thousand feet of elevation gain I think >get up there, put a line around it, burns itself out, contained/controlled/out etc. >dispatch does us a solid and gets a returning heli to pick us up on their way back so we don't have to descend the shitty rocky slopes >engine boss who stayed with the truck will just meet us back at the nearby helibase >new as hell, so don't know shit about helicopters or what kind of space they need to land safely beyond what they talk about in the intro courses >heli gets there and decides to land on a raised patch of dirt slightly smaller than the landing skids >heli is VISIBLY ROCKING back and forth from a distance and rotors keep rising/falling several feet >copilot stumbles out, looks at the helicopter for about 30 seconds >finds a big stupid rock and wedges it in between the ground and the landing skid, it stops shaking >turns to us and gives us a thumbs up with a cheesy smile >walk towards the helicopter about to piss myself in fear the rock will dislodge and send the rotors at our faces at any moment >get on somewhat safely >rock dislodges during takeoff and heli dips to the right, but gets off the ground okay >i scream like a girl reflexively and get made fun of for it for the rest of the severity roll
Probably should have refused risk on that one
I do it here in the States, haven't gotten sent to Australia yet but I know a lot of guys who go there for the winter offseason. I have big respect for the aussies tho; iirc they mostly use volunteers for wildland shenanigans.
>know a lot of guys who go there for the winter offseason.
like, recreationally, I'm assuming
I know like 3-4 guys who went in winter 2019/2020 on assignment, but that doesn't hapoen very often
I had to train a wildland firefighter turned arborist for my job that was basically "climb a utility pole then pet the customer's dog". Callouses thicker than my dick.
Great dude. He works in Salem OR now. Good on you, anon.
Yeah it seems like a popular choice for people leaving a wildland career for something a little more sustainable longterm. That and power line work for some reason.
>hey guys i found a rattlesnake over here, just be careful >copy, thanks >yeah i flagged it off >...what do you mean you flagged it off >i flagged it off so you know where it is >you flagged the fucking rattlesnake? Like the actual snake? >*radio interference*
I still don't know what he actually did
kek. we've chinga-chopped a few..but "task force rattlesnake" is unironically the name of the california national guard handcrew (I guess with helicopters attached, hence task force) that wears those blue cache packs and gets a lot of photos taken
Yeah it seems like a popular choice for people leaving a wildland career for something a little more sustainable longterm. That and power line work for some reason.
power line work.involves a fair bit of saw work in rural areas, I always figured that was the common denominator. and willingness to.travel at least a bit.
From my short experience (12months), it's pretty hard to balance the irregular workload and the frequent trips with the gym. You should try for yourself tho, I was a junior consultant in Finance and Strategy for one of the big 4
Don’t you have a gym at the office or at one very close? You people have tons of downtime in your 100 hour weeks.
Or get an apartment in a building with a gym, you can afford it.
Currently a consultant on finance/tech erp implementations. Work 40-50 hours at most while being able to workout in the morning (afternoon is way too busy). Some mornings fucking suck, but I'd rather have a decent workout then none at all. Aside from 4 days gym (upper/lower) I also do kickboxing 2 times a week to get some cardio in.
To make life easier, prep your food. You don't have to prep everything, I only prep my meat for the week on sunday and make my food for the next day the evening before.
Also, get quality sleep in. For morning workouts, at least for me, the amount of sleep I get makes a difference in the workout itself.
And finally, some days it is just not possible to workout (depending on your consulting job). If you work in IB already, then you know what I'm talking about.
Tons of people choose to rent. I rented for almost 15 years, not because I had to, but because I wasn't ready to buy home.
Of course some landlords are shitty, but it's a private market. There is literally a market value for rent in an area. What would you suggest? Federally owned and controlled housing? Should we do the same thing for cars? Should you be able to provide any services that people need/want? I know you're young, and you'll understand one day, unless you are a loser for the rest of your life.
General contractor for home repairs but recently took on a stone mason apprenticeship. I love it. Only problem is I burn on average 4,800 calories a day according to my Fitbit and I dont eat that much, and then will randomly splurge on pizza or some high calorie food once or twice a week.
Used to be a banker which is the gayest job in the world.
I work at a bank where I do a mixture of on/offboarding, access management, audit, and compliance work. Mind numbingly boring work with spreadsheets and pdfs that will most likely be eliminated or outsourced to latin america in a few years. Trying to figure out what my next move is from here it's probably information security and/or it audit.
Dev, I strongly advise you don't pursue it unless you are an embedded autist. It is the biggest monkey tier, wagie, grifter, gay filled career
Do MechE, Aerospace, Finance, or literally anything else
Go up into management. Not being the lead or dev tard wrangler, but switch to something like a technical product manager. More job security, less opportunity to get fucked with.
This is going to sound so misogynistic in a way but it's not.
I love working with women because I always know that whatever they do and are capable of, I should be capable of it myself. I know how bad that sounds, certainly there are women with better memories and better than me in plenty ways. But as a general rule of thumb.
Writing/managing contracts for a defense contractor (they do architect-engineer work)
I was a college dropout NEET at 28 and enlisted in the air force out of desperation
Currently 33 making $125k/yr. It's as far from a IST job as you can get but I can go to the gym whenever so it works out I guess. My ex-colonel coworkers are in pretty bad shape but someone still manage to routinely cheat on their wives at the trade shows they go to
Corporate lawyer at an okay firm doing really boring work (not surprising given my call date). Really debating getting into tax/estate planning but I have been told the golden years are over in Canada now between TOSI and taxation of trusts being revamped to really fuck with some strategies.
Do you work for a contractor or the company? I've thought about doing security but those contractors like Securitas and shit seem like they're full of morons.
Writer. I cover energy: commodity markets, international upstream oil and gas production, M&A activity, renewable energy, capital markets, etc.
Until AI puts me out of my misery anyways. Probably have a couple more years than the content mill writers, since what I do is higher level and more difficult, but it's still going to happen.
I'm aware. I'm one of the people transitioning my mediocre writers to AI tenders. I can tell you point blank that there will always be a need for high-quality human writers.
AI farms existing content to function. If no high-quality writers exist to produce new content, all you'll ever have is regurgitations of old ideas.
For shit writers, this is the end of their career. For good writers, this is an *insane* opportunity.
i am the main IT guy for the largest sites at my company, and i absolutely hate my job. everyone above me is out of touch because they are at our corporate office in another state. i am looking for another job. people at my job consistently say they love working with me, and they tell me about how my sites couldnt function without me. oh well... im just tired of working here. i hate dealing with people from the family who owns our company (not a small company). the people who own our company are the types who dont read half of an email that is 10 sentences (split into 2 paragraphs) with explanations for the questions they ask. they then proceed to start blowing shit out of proportion, and then they start going to the CIO for answers. the CIO will then call me to ask what the hell the family members are talking about, and i proceed to politely tell them about how they keep misinterpreting shit because they are too ADHD to read 2 different emails (second one was shortened to 3 sentences and a simple picture) that contained the answers they requested. it is very irritating to deal with someone who only ever goes off of rumors or made up shit someone told them, then they continue to ask questions about the made up shit even when you tell them there is no information to back it up. these kinds of people have never worked as a grunt for a job in their lives.
I've been unemployed for nearly 2 years, I used to work minimum wage in restauration
I'd like to work remotely so I can move to Argentina, they have a new type of visa for remote workers
>tfw you realize everyone on IST has a white collar job making six figures and likely doesn't face any hardships in life >can't even relate to people on IST
it's time for me to go.
There's several people itt who say they're wagies or unemployed. One of the first posts is a guy working at burger King.
I don't have a career at 31 years old. I've been working the same pathetic do-nothing job since graduating college in 2014. I feel and I am completely worthless. Every day I take the train and see people going to real jobs probably high paid tech jobs. I get ashamed and humiliated. I have no real interests or goals so I don't even know what job I would do if I were to quit because I've basically gained no real transferrable skills from this job. The thought of having to go to a job interview for something I don't even know what to apply for and having to explain my qualifications terrifies me because of how badly it would go.
Every day I go to work I spend the entire day in misery and wanting to kill myself for how worthless and pathetic it makes me feel. I peruse fit career threads and see the great jobs people always have and get jealous but I can't even imagine doing any of them so I have nothing to study for.
Ok you need to take steps to fix this right now. You need another degree to start fresh if you really can’t transition out of your job, which it sounds like you can’t. I’ve been in your position where I was doing a job that I felt had no transferable skills and was stuck. What I did was convince my company to move me to a position that has transferable skills (software engineering, basically). In addition to that I am also getting a masters in CS. This all started a year and a half ago, so I’m still making shit pay because my company knows I have no bargaining power and need this job like it’s nobody’s business. But I know that my fortunes will change soon. If you start now, you could do a masters in something that makes money and be in a way better place 5 years from nowxpkwh
Total parody of my point, which is that he needs to take steps to fix this and change course right now. That happened to be individual to me, but anyone can get more education, schools are all too happy to take your money and if he starts now he can be in a much better spot in 5 years
>tfw you realize everyone on IST has a white collar job making six figures and likely doesn't face any hardships in life >can't even relate to people on IST
it's time for me to go.
Bitch I only just barely have a handle on my rampant depression, have been estranged from 100% of my blood relatives for more than a decade, and feel cripplingly lonely in social settings.
Just because I now make 6 figures doesn't mean shit isn't rough in other ways.
>Bitch I only just barely have a handle on my rampant depression, have been estranged from 100% of my blood relatives for more than a decade, and feel cripplingly lonely in social settings.
are you a woman?
Love how everyone in this thread is raking in 6 figures with a doctor/engineer/lawyer job. These are the same normalmorons telling you "hurrrr theres no excuse to not weightlift bro". >have access to whole foods >have the money for protein rich foods >have the money for supplements >have the time to workout >live in safe suburban neighbourhoods >hardly any stress and no dangers around you
Ever notice how all the roidtrannies and zoomer fags on instagram and tiktok are always recording in their huge platinum gyms or giant garage in their upper-middle class houses? How do these queers cope with the fact that without the myriad of privileges they have they wouldn't be shit?
Fuck that, how do YOU ISTfags cope with the fact that you're not as tough as you think you are? None of you are the hot shits you think you are. I know people way tougher and way more masculine than any of you and they've never touched a barbell in their lives.
NONE of you gays have ever lived in poverty or in a tight budget. You think someone can get jacked by working a fulltime warehouse job? PLUS afford all the protein PLUS pay all the bills PLUS do all the cooking. Fuck you gays.
i dont live near cities (the nearest big city is 3 hours away), so i dont have access to most of that shit you listed. i think access to a lot of things cities offer tend to make people become slaves to convenience and degeneracy. it makes people too lazy to have to come up with an improvised solution for quite a few problems. you are forced to figure shit out when you cant just go 2 blocks over to find someone to do it for you. >You think someone can get jacked by working a fulltime warehouse job?
yes, easily. ive worked with plenty of people at my company's distribution centers. i genuinely dont understand how someone can be fat and work in a warehouse, unless they are one of the few office personnel on site. >PLUS afford all the protein PLUS pay all the bills PLUS do all the cooking.
i may not expect them to do all the cooking like you mentioned, but they should easily be able to pay their bills. these people work enough overtime to cover it easily. most people ive dealt with in warehouses are looking forward to their next short term expensive purchase. this is why they always say they are broke. this applies to more than just warehouse workers, though.
>>have access to whole foods
unless you have some rare circumstance where the only food source within 100 miles of you is a gas station, you can get good food. Frozen vegetables, eggs, beans, oats, and yogurt are all you need. >have the money for protein rich foods
Frozen vegetables, eggs, beans, oats, and yogurt are all you need. >have the money for supplements
Not a necessity for fitness >have the time to workout
This is cope. You're sitting here on IST right now >live in safe suburban neighbourhoods
Work out in your house. >hardly any stress and no dangers around you
Everyone has stress you're not special.
Trash collector in an apartment complex. I spend about 2 hours a day walking around the area walking up stairs carrying heavy trash and pushing it into a cart while i also doing calisthenics when i get back home. I'm getting pretty shredded
I was a sales assistant/catalogger to a few antiques/art dealers for a few years after graduation and I quit that earlier this year to take online school for data analytics. It is very stressful making such a career u-turn and all my friends in my town married/moved away so I am totally alone in my free time. Doing online classes alone as well. Maybe one or two non-transactional convorsations a week with the neighbors max, so my workouts have shifted to emphasize exhaustion to quiet the anxious mind. Big abs and long stair climbs have become an everyday thing. If any of u have experience trying to get a business / tech job from a non-degree program with a liberal arts background help a brother out and tell me it's possible.
>If any of u have experience trying to get a business / tech job from a non-degree program
put some bullshit on your resume about being a technician or help desk, and you need to practice through your knowledge and bullshitted experience enough times in your head to convince yourself of it. if you can convince yourself of it, you can likely convince the person hiring you for an entry level tech job.
Considering going into finance because I'm not happy with my first degree. I've heard conflicting things however, some people say you just do spreadsheets all day, others have said its more fast paced and intense. Don't know what to do tbh.
if you dont care much about money and want to get some killer experience on your resume, look into getting a job with your state's department of banking and finance. this is going to require a bachelor's. if you have the clot shot, you can work your way into working with the feds for good money.
I'm 30 and I have realized that I'm just too much of a pathetic manchild to have a career. I know that all normal people have them and I literally cannot even fathom it. I can't fathom having a career with real responsibilities, stuff like leading meetings, writing reports, meeting clients, having presentations, going on business trips, even something as rudimentary as wearing business casual or a suit every day. People who gain skills and apply to other jobs, increase their workload, promotions, negotiate salary increases, I literally cannot fathom any of this. I would really like to be able to do all these things but they are all a completely foreign concept to me.
By 30 all normal people on the planet already have a career and have experienced many many years of doing the above completely rudimentary parts of having a career. I have done none of it. It's too late for me. I can never recover from this shame and humiliation.
Government economist. Basically just advise my countries Government why they're retarded while they threaten to downsize the office I work in because I don't agree with the qwaks that support which ever parties in Government.
Machinist. 24 making $25.53/hr. not great, actually terrible considering I live in one of the most expensive places in the US.
Also I haven't talked to a girl in the last 4 years. I go to work, exhaust myself, come home and fall asleep. Then hang out with my machinist buddies on the weekend. I gotta get out of this. I'm glad I got into it when I did because I didn't have to take the science juice, but now it's turning me into an incel.
Thinking hard about going back home and going back to college. I've gained a lot of mechanical (reverse) engineering experience but also am pretty interested in learning about geology, just idk what kind of career opportunities to expect there.
Also need to figure out how to make ends meet if I go back to school.
I have my own construction company, money is good but I'm kind of bored of it, so I'm taking a course in CCNA to find a job in IT. I've met waaay too many people that earn double or triple my pay for a lot less work, so that's what I want.
It's crazy how it feels like everyone of fit has top careers. Everyone a lawyer, doctor, wall street banker, engineer especially software, top IT guy, or own their own company. Maybe it[s just confirmation bias. But I can't imagine the life these people have. Must be such a great, easy life being so smart and rich and having everything you could ever want. Man
currently an underwater welder/commercial diver. Pay sucks compared to other trades, let alone hard as fuck on my body.The guys who make the big bucks are saturation divers making 1500-2000 a day for a month straight but you’re gone from family and home for those whole months. Chicks do dig divers its one of the masculine jobs you can do so getting pussy is simple if you’re not hideous. Looking to switch careers to be a lineman which pull 110-250k anually.
European so prolly more like 100k to 150k if I play my cards right but at this point Im not sure if I want to do that or go for Professor track. I really enjoy academia and my wife is rich
Just go be a quant in the USA.
It would be me dream job if I was disciplined enough to go finish my degree and then actually work hard at a job.
Instead I failed school and now I just teach high school maths.
I'm a registered nurse at an aged care home in Australia, I work about 25 - 35 hours a week, about 85k a year. Currently trying to get into medical school atm. Going for the entrace exams in September. I have a home gym and workout usually everyday when I wake up. The aged care home I work in has like 30 beds and is one of the expensive private homes in the state so not too many fully demented retards. I stay pretty fit I guess I'm still over weight. My original weight was 130kg I'm 85kg now. Been lifting for about 2 years. Goal is 75kg. Also fuck abos and fuck pooftas.
What's up with Australia and nurses? I legit, like genuinely and very seriously do not know 1 single Australian who isn't a nurse. I have a few acquaintances plus some other random people from Australia and they're all nurses.
They also all earn decent wages
>They also all earn decent wages
Fuck, you wouldn't know it the way they carry on. Between them and teachers, I've never met a bunch that so incessantly complain about getting paid exorbitant amounts for the most menial and lackluster jobs.
Machine Learning engineer for a biotech company. Do about 20 hours of actual work per week, get 95k€ per year which is fucking crazy in Germany at my age.
I think that’s a good idea. I am/was in a type of help desk role. I set up people’s ad groups, set up licenses, reset passwords, etc. Any of the real technical work I am just opening a ticket for another team to do. Makes sense why they’re eliminating my role since it’s just menial shit that can be automated easily.
Barber. Pretty cool career, just cutting hair, talking shit, watching sports and hanging out with dudes all day. Only complaint is that weekends are the best days to make money, which sucks when my wife works a regular mon-fri schedule.
That said, I mostly work Friday-Sunday, and during the week work on my FBA store on amazon for a side hustle. It’s kinda nice that I can mostly do it on my phone. So sometimes I’ll just go into the shop on a Wednesday or Thursday (slower days) and work on that while I wait for haircuts.
It's hard to have the motivation to work towards a career when all you think about is how worthless and retarded you are and how badly you want to have a nice day. After 30 years, it's too late. It doesn't matter anymore. Who cares.
Cybersecurity Engineer.
High pay, plenty of jobs available, and most everyone in the industry is humble enough to understand no one understands everything in the industry as a whole.
>always was smart as a kid >very high gpa, advanced classes in all subjects, etc. >still never really had ambition for any sort of career or even a field to study >forced to go to college for some dumb degree, was a social retard, completely miserable, performed like shit and should have dropped out but parents wouldnt let me >too dumb for grad school >no real skills learned
>waste all my 20s at a piece of shit job and live like basically a neet >it's too late for me to recover >"dude just go back to school" when i already performed poorly in school coming off a childhood dedicated to studies, now 10 years of learning nothing and being a mouth breathing retard and at the lowest point of my life miserable and suicidal every day
all i ever do is think about how desperately i wish i could have just gone back to graduating high school and just gone to a community college for a directly appliable 2 year degree or even a bachelors just in something directly employable. i always heard about college being a scam but was arrogant and delusional thinking that becuase i was smart it wouldnt happen to me.
Unironically go get your EMT license. Community colleges and local fire departments usually put on the course, it'll take you a single semester.
It's an admirable profession, looks good on resumes and EMTs are always in demand so it's easy to find a job. I work in a city of around 150,000 so I have a very wide variety of calls. Had a guy the other day crash his truck into stopped interstate traffic going 70mph because he was jacking off on his way to work lol. Fucking died too.
If you enjoy it after a year or two, go get your paramedic. Get to drug people and make more money.
Buddy just got a paramedic job further out in the county where nobody lives and works a 48 hour shift with 4 days off in between. He works 144 hours every two weeks and sometimes doesn't have a call a single shift. When he's not on a call he gets paid to play video games and lift weights at work. Still rakes in almost 100k.
He's a paramedic so it'd be ALS. Makes $26 an hour with 144 hours every two weeks.
This isn't including incentive pays. For example, if he's running his ass off and gets more than so many calls during that shift he get's an extra 12 dollars an hour for the rest of the shift.
He told me that he came in on one of his days off (remember this dude gets 4 days off after ever single shift) and did a patient transfer (literally just transporting the patient to a different hospital) to Barns in St Louis. He gets a pay incentive if his transfer is over a certain distance one direction. Dude made like 60 bucks an hour for this 12 hour shift where all he did was monitor someones vitals on his way to St. Louis and then sleep on the way back.
The private ambulance services is where the money opportunities lie.
Hmmm, I might just have to look into this myself. I'm one of the wildland anons in this thread and looking for something else to do in a few years. Getting paid slave wages to dig line is starting to get old but I'd love to stay involved with emergency response in some way.
The exciting shit is the long, grueling, 12 hours shifts in the city. While the nice, laid back, comfy 24 or 48 hour positions are in the stations positioned in the rural areas surrounding the city. And since all of the ambulances in my are all private medical companies, they don't pay firefighter wages.
Just don't get picked up by a fire department (like me), I make peanuts. I'm making the transition to full time medical right now actually. Have an interview next week.
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At that point why not try to get in to something like nursing? From an outsider's perspective it looks like similar work with a much higher pay ceiling, albeit greater educational requirements.
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I had to work 4 shifts in the ER back when I got my EMT license, and I'll never work in a hospital. Also, nursing school it much longer for not really that much more in pay than a well payed paramedic.
If you wanted to work in a hospital for good pay, I'd recommend like respiratory therapy. That paramedic buddy I have, that's what his wife does. She makes 100k a year working part time, and that's because she picks up shifts that have stacking pay incentives her hospital offers, which add up to like 80 to 90 an hour. I asked her the other day how much she would make if she switched to full time and she told me that she would actually be taking a pay cut.
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>100k a year part time
never fails on fit. either the posters are rich, or their friends are rich, or their wives work part time regular jobs and also make six figures.
I'm assuming the guy works for a fire department. (most of what you do as a "firefighter" is EMS, unless you're a wildland chad.). EMTs and medics who just work for ambulance companies or whatever make fuck-all, and most of them are en route to something more lucrative, either structure fire or higher medical training.
As someone that went to college and failed flat first semester and got into a psych ward for it I recommend you try again.
Go do adult classes. There are night time programs. None of the social bullshit. I was just naturally good and didn't try in HS either. Second round at college worked for me though left with a 3?89 or something like that.
While I only straightened myself out and now years after am I working on hard skills with certs you can still do it. We're the same age ish (29) here so keep your head up.
I'm not some Chad I'm just a normal semi autist that keeps to themselves so keep that in mind.
so you just failed the first semester then immediately went back and excelled and just happen to now be a close age to me, not really the same situation.
however i definitely should have gone to a psych ward. i was constantly telling my parents how miserable i was and that i wanted to drop out. they just ignored it. maybe going to therapy could have helped me
I will say this I had to be in a right place and I went in two years out of HS and wasn't ready. Tackled it again 3/4 after I failed.
Moping and finding excuses won't help. And I don't need to give you clear timelines of anything. You can choose to sit in the shit or do something about it.
so you just failed the first semester then immediately went back and excelled and just happen to now be a close age to me, not really the same situation.
however i definitely should have gone to a psych ward. i was constantly telling my parents how miserable i was and that i wanted to drop out. they just ignored it. maybe going to therapy could have helped me
No, no, no - never go into a psch ward.
If you refuse to take this warning, at least never take antipsychotic medication. All meds are bad, but particularly antipsychotics.
Antipsychotics WILL fuck you up irreversibly, you will NEVER be completely the same again, NEVER go near them.
>Antipsychotics WILL fuck you up irreversibly, you will NEVER be completely the same again, NEVER go near them.
oh yes, i should totally avoid a psych ward and meds. i wouldnt want it to irreversibly fuck up my current life as a 30 year old career-less friendless kissless incomprehensibly miserable suicidal virgin.
I recommend counselling/therapy instead. Not a therapist who's going to tell you everything is fine and you don't need material things, one that will help you get things done. A life coach really would be the best thing, doing a little therapy in conjunction with it, but life coaches are very expensive so that's probably out of the question.
>it's too late for me to recover
No it is not. if you don't kys, you have like 60 years of life left. This could all be a distant memory one day. I know you do not want to hear this but you must go back to school, you can't go on living like this the rest of your life. Is the problem that you don't know what you would do? If you're autistic do some computer science classes then do an online masters in CS unironically. There's tons of programs that want your money. If you're not autistic, consider nursing. My friend's Mom had a husband die of cancer, re-married, hated the new husband, so she put a plan together to get out of it and did night classes, then nursing school, then divorced her husband and supported herself as a nurse. This was all in her 50s and took 3-4 years iirc. People make these kinds of switches all the time, you can do it and I believe in and will be praying for you
Went from neet to working at the local clothing thrift shop. It allowed me to become social and it pays well enough for what it is. I can chat up cute girls (and twinks), tell them they made a good choice, sing along with the songs I pick and when there is downtime I practise drawing or study math. It is incredibly chill.
>Jr Sys Admin
Was fucking around in Helpdesk for a year and noticed I didn't break anything so now I get to fuck with their network and learn their AWS environment. Only been in this field a year but it beats the hell out of land surveying. Grossly underpaid and overworked. More IST than I've ever been being able to lift on my breaks.
I was neet till 30 got a job at a pizza place I been at for a year but I'm soon to be fired cause pajeet new owners are coming in. Dunno really wat to do next might just be neet again
MedTech Prod Dev Enginerd
I'm a wagie at Burger King
I just had a double whopper yesterday
Junior cosmologist at a NM observatory
Unemployed
Designer/Developer
Professional porn writer
nice, how did you get into that line of work?
Contractor
Government handout enjoyer
Can anyone give me advice?
What’s a good full time job to have while also in classes full time?
How do I land a WFH job? I’ll do call support idgaf if it pays the bills, WFH would be ideal if I take classes again.
And, has anyone moved out on the bare minimum gone back to school and struggled for a few years while completing their degree? That’s what I’m trying to do. I’m 27, I need to leave the nest. I think a WFH job would be ideal while I’m in school, even if all I did was school, study, work, gym. I’m okay with that.
If you live in the USA, and you dont want to be an engineer, lawyer, or doctor, just get a trade job. You’ll make enough money to be a normal human, and you’ll have spare time to spend chasing the big dirty. School is literally for girls.
>Dude just join the trades dude it’s great
>school is for girls
I just left the trades. Drop the delusional machismo crap if this is the defining factor in your worth as man then I have bad news for you.
This. The trades are not for people who self improveme. The amount of fags who will bring you down for even eating a proper breakfast instead of shitty gas station pizza in un-fucking-real. Let alone any major things like not cracking a cold 1 after work, not being a nicotine addict, and not wanting to work assloads of OT for alimony/because you hate your home life.
I couldn’t have said it better myself. It sounded cool, fun even at first. But I will know willing put myself in such a shitty situation around such shitty people to destroy my body so that I can maybe earn the same wages as some gay in an office doing half the hours. I found a career I’d actually love, which is still active. But I need a bachelors at minimum to do it. Idk how to make my ends meet while I’m in school unless I can get a WFH job.
Purely just so I can squeeze in some short bursts of studying while I’m on the clock.
This. I got a 4 year degree I'll never use and now I lay bricks and swing hammers and make about $5,500 a month and I quite literally just started my LLC two months ago. I have friends in the trades who make 6 figures and work 7 months a year.
Do trades. AI can do every other job in the world except those.
>$1300 a week is "good money" for back breaking slave labor.
I won't even ask to post body bc I know you look like shit.
The kind of man that can make 6 figures in a trade of the kind of man that could make a lot more with a degree.
For stupid and lazy people, degrees are a waste of time and money but those people don’t do well in trades either.
A four year degree is biggest income divider in the US surprisingly enough. While trade schools are fine, they're kind of a meme. Find something you like bro.
>slaving for the garden gnome
I pity you
get a job you fucking gay and leave your parents home and also buy your mamma a nice house.
>how do I live the most npc life possible
My full time job is selling cars at a Mercedes dealership. This earns me about £50K a year.
As my thing on the side I'm a landlord. I own 3 properties including my own house and earn about £35K a year. £20K of that comes from students as I converted a house near the university into flats.
Don't care if you seethe at this. I look after my tenants.
Anybody that seethe about labdlords is a huge gay. What are you gonna do I nobody is renting out their properties? You gonna buy a house? No, you're not, you're a lazy, broke, piece of shit. You'll make some argument about communism like a dumbest highschooler.
If nobody were renting out ‘their’ houses, it would mean less scarcity and lower prices so people could afford to buy.
That's not how it works. The market, in America, is privatized. There is a demand for rental properties because not everyone wants to buy a house. What if you don't plan on living somewhere permanently? You gonna buy a house there? By the way, people aren't going to just build homes and leave them there, retard. Someone has to pay the contractors to build them.
The demand for rental properties is driven by people hording properties with the primary aim of increasing their price. If you don’t want to live somewhere permanently, you buy something and sell it later. When you buy a house, you’re not commuting to owning it until death.
All the houses are being bought already. That’s why prices are going up. The problem is that they are being bought by a small minority of people who intend on driving up the prices as much as possible.
God damn you're dumb. Don't worry, your moms house will always be cheaper than renting or buying, so you don't have to worry about the real world.
Yh good one.
Renovating a house is not the same as being a landlord. You repairing it is adding value so it is fair you profit from this. The problem is caused by you continuing to own it instead of selling to someone who intends to live in it.
Sounds like a non issue. I'm giving someone a home at a price that's lower than the area average. I've renovated it and taken it off of auction.
If I didn't buy it, it would be been left empty and nobody would get it. So what of I make a bit of money.
>All the houses are being bought already. That’s why prices are going up.
No, all the houses are being bought in the massive urban sardine cans you want to be in. There are plenty of houses here in "flyover" country lol
Not everyone is in the US. Landlording is a problem globally.
You are actually fucking stupid bro please off yourself
guess what happens when everyone is buying houses? It'd be embarrassing if you're over 20 and are literally this stupid. Praying for you
You mean like
They're just mad because they can't do it. I'm gonna retire at 40 while they break their back for an employer who wouldn't care if they died.
They think housing is some kind of right that should be granted to them, when in reality, they are commodities. Somebody builds them, somebody buys them. The people that don't want to buy or can't, rent them. If they are so against landlords, they can go buy a cheap piece of land and build their own house.
Correct. I bought my first house at an auction for 30K and spent 10K renovating it. You can literally get a mortgage and start renting it out to pay off the mortgage.
They'read because they're too dumb to understand the process.
Exactly. Plus you're providing a necessary service. You're adding a rental property to the market, which, as crazy as it may seem to these people, are in high demand.
Exactly. Otherwise the house would remain derelict. Not all landlords do this but I actually undercharge for the area too.
The average student rent near me is 7K per student but I only charge 5.5K.
You two are fucking retarded. People don’t choose to rent these days, they have to because a minority group of leeches buy and then restrict the supply with aim of increasing the price, similar to ticket scalpers. Landlords do not add any value. I agree that thinking housing should be free is retarded but the average earner should be able to afford the average house.
Tons of people choose to rent. I rented for almost 15 years, not because I had to, but because I wasn't ready to buy home.
Of course some landlords are shitty, but it's a private market. There is literally a market value for rent in an area. What would you suggest? Federally owned and controlled housing? Should we do the same thing for cars? Should you be able to provide any services that people need/want? I know you're young, and you'll understand one day, unless you are a loser for the rest of your life.
I would argue that a lot of the reasons people are ‘not ready to buy’ are to do with it being too expensive. Also, if we go with your car example. The current system is that a car is made, goes to a dealership and is then sold to someone who then drives it. If the car market operated like the housing market then the car would be made then someone would buy it along with as many other cars as possible, therefore stopping people who want to use it from buying it. They would then charge people for using their supply of cars. You can see how this is a problem right? And how the markets work in a different way?
The problem isn’t the price you charge, it’s that you do it at all. I don’t struggle financially. Yes, I can be better - you can too and in your case being better would mean selling your properties to people who intend to live in them.
You’re missing the distinction between you buying, renovating then renting the property vs you buying, renovating then selling the property. You buying and renovating the property is good because you are adding value to it - you deserve to profit from this. You renting the property is bad because you aren’t adding value to it so don’t deserve to profit.
So it's bad if an individual profit from rent but not if the government or private company do?
I just know you're under 25.
That’s not what I said. It’s bad if ANYONE profits from rent because they are profiting from doing nothing. It’s not bad if ANYONE profits from building/renovating because they are providing a service to society.
Welcome to the real world. You wouldn't have a home if there wasn't money in property. You'd have to build your own with mud and sticks.
You’re right but the money in property should be earned by people providing a service eg building or renovating homes, not by people who don’t provide a service ie landlords.
Landlords don't just own a property. They take care of it, because it's their property. The renter simply pays to love there for an agreed amount of time.
Yo, renting property is work. You have no idea the kind of work that goes in to owning real estate and then taking a chance on someone. I've sunk so much money into my property, just to have some scumbags move in, destroy the place, and not pay rent by holding it up in civil court. So much money out of my pocket. You do know that when you own a house you have to pay for repairs, or do them yourself, take care of the lawn, pay the utilities, pay the insurance, there's literally always shit happening to your property. That's another reason why people rent or get an home in an HOA. It's convenient to live in a place and not have to worry about all fo that shit. You just pay rent, and that appeals to a lot of people in a lot of situations.
Kys
I was an firefighter/EMT for a couple years. Realized I hated structural firefighting and quit cold turkey a few weeks ago. Have an interview in a week for an airport fire/rescue gig, which is amazing because I'm already a student pilot and now have an opportunity to network at the flight school I'll be sharing a working space with.
Not an argument you disgusting NEET.
is completely right.
Imagine simping for landlords kek you're a cuck
Tell me how you'd feel if investment firms and boomers bought a large enough portion of automobiles that the average price of one was $100k
Are they still providing a service by taking care of the maintenance and allowing you to drive it for $800 a month plus gas?
You'd never be able to buy the car if you're in a position of having to rent.
You're an idiot.
Are you sub 80iq lmao it's a hypothetical forget about renting a house smoothbrain hell pretend you own a house and have to lease a car for an arbitrary amount that isn't reasonable or affordable for you and tell me if you think a service is being provided
You're implying that the service is unreasonably priced. Get a fucking job.
I make more than you dumbass firecuck not that that's saying much
I guarantee you don't. If you did you wouldn't be crying about landlords.
This ‘work’ you’re describing boils down to just making people pay rent which isn’t a service.
You’re mixing in being a landlord with providing property management. If your business model was to charge homeowners a monthly fee for sorting out their utilities, lawns, maintenance etc as you describe, it wouldn’t be a problem because you are providing a service. You would deserve to profit from this.
As it stands, landlords aren’t even responsible for most of the things you describe, tenants are, and landlords can easily afford to pay for all of those things anyway from their undeserved rental income.
I have posted a lot of anti-landlord rhetoric ITT so I would like to make clear that I do not think landlords are necessarily bad people; I think landlording is a bad practice. This is an important distinction. Also, there is a scale of how bad for society different landlords are. People who rent out the extra house they inherited are worlds apart from multinational corporations that buy up entire towns to convert them to rental properties.
What would your solution be to the reality of excess capital. If you have people who spend less than they make, and they have a bunch of excess capital, what do you propose they do with it? Your argument seems to be that profit earned without a service provided is morally wrong. Housing stands out because the difference between a wealthy landlord and struggling renter is so stark. But doing nothing with the excess capital is not realistic. If one were to invest it in the stock market, do you see that as a service that they ought to profit from? If they do nothing but hoard cash, it will do nothing except depreciate in value. Giving away the excess cash is also not realistic, and I can hardly blame people for being cynical to believe that much of what they give away will be cut into by brokers. You’re critical of the landlording practice, but what is your solution to what someone should do with excess capital? And don’t tell me it’s immoral to have excess capital. If you spend less than you earn, you have excess
Their excess capital shouldn’t be used to harm society. You seem to imply that if people didn’t have the choice of being a landlord, they would have no other way of using their excess capital and it would just rot away doing nothing. This isn’t true at all. They could choose to spend it, they could choose to start a useful business etc etc. There are many, many ways a person may choose to use their wealth and it is ultimately their choice. I don’t care how people use their wealth as long as it doesn’t harm society and as long as it is rightfully earned. I agree with you that people shouldn’t be forced to give their stuff away for nothing. I also agree with you that it isn’t immoral to have excess capital. However, it is immoral to use your excess capital to harm society for your own benefit and this is why I object to landlording.
I charge under market value, you gimp. If you're struggling to even rent you need to sort your life out. You can ALWAYS be better.
I rent my house. It’s €1k a month for 275m2 7 bed rooms and 2k sq lawn with an extra house which can be used as a garage but I built my gym in there instead. Most apartments go for more but this landlord wants to create a community so he just rent out at a price where he believe people will live for 20 years forward. Reason we got the house was because we had a 1 yr old kid.
Congrats on being a parasite.
The real parasites are the people that rent other people's properties instead of buying their own. Imagine living in someone else's house lmao what a cuck.
Yh nice ‘I know you are but what am I?’ argument. No surprise that a landleech has no critical thinking skills.
>congrats on being parasite
He has a full time job as well dumbass.
>earn
You don't "earn" shit.
"earn" is really the dumbest possible word that could be used for how much money a person OBTAINS a year. How did people ever start using the word "earn".
If he didn't earn it, why would people bother giving him money for it?
>provide service
>somehow this makes people seethe
i never understood the mindset
it's a market anyone can get into
I knew a lot of people who thought that way at university. They're either hippies who think all land should be free or some Marxist retard who wants everything evenly distributed.
It makes people seethe because it’s not providing a service yet it still produces profit. And not anyone can get into this market because home ownership is unaffordable for most people
Explain how it's not a service? I'm genuinely curious.
The guy you replied to has been seething about it since the post was made.
He's a wagie who's mad thay someone has a better life.
That kinda what I gathered. I don't own a house (yet) but the fact that if the heat/ac goes out, or the roof needs replaced, or the property needs a new well. The landlord is paying for that shit. Even if you're not a landlord, buying a house is an investment and as a renter I have a place to live with zero financial risk, that's the service.
>And not anyone can get into this market because home ownership is unaffordable for most people
In the US can literally go to the bank and get a USDA home loan with no down payment. You're actually just a mouth breathing retard.
>he thinks landlords provide these services.
No they're protecting their investment you idiot, they can and do reject requests from tenants for quality of life improvements all the time.
>zero financial risk
That's not correct at all, tenants are liable for damages and can even be on the hook for paying for natural wear and tear of a property if they're not sufficiently educated on tenancy law. There's also the constant invasion of privacy, the risk of having their access to their home removed from them, or be out priced. There's a fuckload of risk with renting. Most tenants would happily pay to fix house issues (which rarely happens, and is often covered by insurance) if it was their own home they were putting equity into.
Maybe just stop and think a bit deeper on these issues next time, or just stick to topics you are actually educated on
>>he thinks landlords provide these services.
They do provide those services. Landlords are required by law to provide a habitable residence. It has to be safe to live in, without dangerous conditions, and with usable heat, utilities, and water. Your landlord is required to make any necessary repairs to keep your unit in reasonable condition while you live there. Cope and seethe. It's the law. You would know that if you weren't lying about being a landlord on a japanese basket weaving forum, or just stick to topics you are actually educated on.
>Most tenants would happily pay to fix house issues (which rarely happens, and is often covered by insurance)
It's evident you're a 16 year old who has never had to make an insurance claim in your life.
>It's the law
>>it's the law (laughing face)
what did he mean by this?
Because if you stopped providing the "service" the house would still exist. If landlords did not exist, houses would still exist. If a landlord was forced to give up excess properties, they would either be picked up by someone wanting to become a landlord or someone wanting to own a house. That's it. Landlords are not providing a service
Im literally a landlord as well, and landlords deserve hate if they have over two rental properties. Im in some landlord forums and groups, the vast majority are violently out of touch and are nothing but predatory. There are good landlords out there, but they only ever have one or two properties and manage them privately. Stop licking landlord boot, everyone is just here to make money
I technically don't have a title at my job. Closest thing I've got is "Client Systems Administrator", but even that isn't completely accurate.
Basically I do whatever the fuck I want 95% of the time, and any issues that get sent my way are usually resolved in 5 minutes max. My job offers me such flexibility that I can go to the gym in the middle of the day, work out for a couple hours, then come back with no consequence. It's fucking great.
It’s not a service because there is no value added. The landlord functions as an unnecessary middleman, like a ticket scalper. They own the house and that’s it. You may say ‘they provide maintenance etc etc’ but this isn’t how a landlord derbies their income. They derive their income by owning the house. Owning a house isn’t a service. Property maintenance is a service and it’s important to distinguish between these two because they are commonly mixed up in pro-landlord arguments.
I’m not a wagie. And I’m not angry that there are people with better lives than me. If people provide more value to society than me, they deserve a better life. I’m angry because landlords make society worse yet profit immensely.
As a renter, you are at a significant financial disadvantage to homeowners. That’s the risk. Also, the world doesn’t operate like the US. I looked into these loans and they do seem helpful for some. But there are lots of conditions attached eg you can only buy homes in rural areas and there are income requirements etc. So it’s not a viable option for everyone. Everyone should be able to buy a house to own and live in.
Providing property maintenance is distinct from being a landlord. If landlords didn’t exist, you could still get all these services.
So at the end of this 20 year period, your landlord will have €240,000 in rental income from you and an asset that is worth significantly more than at the start. Their financial position will be hugely improved. What will you have? Nothing. You see how you are at a major disadvantage?
This is a great explanation of how landlords work against the interest of society. Housing being unaffordable and inaccessible is good for landlords but bad for society.
no one with actual money or that is comfortable would be seething this hard about land lords.
Get help
NTA but he’s completely right and I’m a richfag. Landlords NECESSARILY charge you the cost of the mortgage on the apartment + the cost of maintenance + extra (profit) + tip. The reason they are able to do this is because they have $ to drop on several down payments.
I don’t know why people like you are so quick to deny this. It’s incredibly obvious. Hell, landlords themselves will tell you exactly how it works on youtube.
You can try and attack me personally all you want. It doesn't change the fact that what I am saying is correct.
Sometimes a middleman is useful. Let's say I have a job that requires me to move to a new city every 6 to 8 months. Do I just have to buy a house every year?
I guess curious what your alternative would be to having a landlord to rent you a property.
Better example, a guy I used to work with was building a new house on a piece of property he owned and he had a guy from out of state come and pay cash for his current house that was listed. The house he was building was months away from being lived in but now he had to move out of his current house. What is he supposed to do in this situation, be forced to purchase a house he only needs for 6 months, or would it be advantageous to rent a house?
>Plenty of houses for every
>Houses are affordable
>Rich come in and compete with each other to buy all the houses
>Housing prices become vastly inflated because of the extra demand from people with great means
>Most houses now owned by landlords
>Kids can't buy into the market since they are competing with the rich instead of with other kids
>"Just be born rich"
Great system anon. Although I am living in a country where almost half of all residential property is held by non-owner occupiers, and housing prices are 10x median income (banks will let you borrow around 4x so a couple both working full time need to save for roughly 10 years to buy into the market, assuming they won't have kids). Might be different in the US but this is your future if you don't delegalize residential property investment.
I largely agree with this, but the US still has a truly immense space into which homes could still be built. Europe is pretty capped spacially and can't realistically expand so much as increase density.
America has the space, and it's constantly being used to expand. There's always buildings coming up that increase supply again. No doubt this is ultimately delaying the inevitable, but I think it'll be pretty consistent for some years to decades.
>Europe is pretty capped spatially
you have oubviously never been to Europe. There are massive areas that are completely void of population.
Diagonale du vide in France, anything north of Oslo, any eastern europe region that’s not close to water.
Just because the UK or Italy are pretty crowded doesn’t mean Europe is.
As a matter of fact if the whole continent were to have the density of the UK Europe could house one billion people with ease.
You stupid fuck.
I don't speak whatever that is, can you try again in American?
Sure, if you insist.
Claro, si insistes.
>Europe is pretty capped spatially
obviamente nunca has estado en Europa. Hay áreas masivas que están completamente vacías de población.
Diagonale du vide en Francia, cualquier cosa al norte de Oslo, cualquier región de Europa del Este que no esté cerca del agua.
El hecho de que el Reino Unido o Italia estén bastante llenos no significa que Europa lo esté.
De hecho, si todo el continente tuviera la densidad del Reino Unido, Europa podría albergar a mil millones de personas con facilidad.
Estúpido de mierda.
Yep the issue is quality of life degrades moving away from cities and into the middle of nowhere. Landlords consolidate wealth too, so in my country the middle class has become significantly poorer than it was historically.
I was thinking about getting into car sales. If I can ask why do you make so little as a Mercedes car salesman?
how are the serfs doing
Zogbot nearing the end of my terminal leave. Recently accepted a job offer for a "cyber security" "engineer" but haven't actually started yet.
all the 'engineer' when I got out had me rolling. At some point while I was in I think they just globally renamed technicians into engineers and nobody noticed
>I think they just globally renamed technicians into engineers and nobody noticed
yeah this, it's weird
t. "service engineer"
do you work for peak?
no, never heard of them
the zog machine moved me to europe and you know boys I'm never going home
Auditor
financial analyst for Big Oil.
Pays well, everyone hates me.
Don’t care, didn’t ask.
>everyone hates me
Why?
because I couple finance and the oil industry.
Dubai
>Dubai
So no income tax right? You must be killing it. How'd you land that? CFA certified?
Houston?
DevOps engineer like most of IST.
Financial analyst in the heavy materials industry
I do pic related
Underpaid forestry technician
Forgor picture
I had a co-worker on my department who just took a job in Idaho for wildland. Bro just moved from a town of 150,000 to a town of 40. I'm not tough enough for wildland shit.
I was in Idaho last year. Town of less than 300 and spitting distance from Yellowstone NP. The difference in elevation really makes you question your fitness, I went from living in a city at less than 1000ft elevation to over 6000ft. Felt like my muscles were becoming beef jerky out there in the desert heat, rip gym gains
I totally would have done wildland when I was younger if I had known it existed at all. Seems like the perfect choice for /fit-out/ jobs
Based fellow wildland anon. The job can be fucking grueling and miserable at times but you get tons of awesome stories to tell. Speaking of, you got any fun ones to tell?
There's one in particular from my first season that still makes my butthole clench when I think about it
>be me on my third IA ever
>middle of nowhere, Colorado, severity roll
>little half-acre lightning fire
>Type 6 crew, so it's just me with three other guys rolling up to the base of a mountain
>can't drive up it, so we climb it on foot, couple thousand feet of elevation gain I think
>get up there, put a line around it, burns itself out, contained/controlled/out etc.
>dispatch does us a solid and gets a returning heli to pick us up on their way back so we don't have to descend the shitty rocky slopes
>engine boss who stayed with the truck will just meet us back at the nearby helibase
>new as hell, so don't know shit about helicopters or what kind of space they need to land safely beyond what they talk about in the intro courses
>heli gets there and decides to land on a raised patch of dirt slightly smaller than the landing skids
>heli is VISIBLY ROCKING back and forth from a distance and rotors keep rising/falling several feet
>copilot stumbles out, looks at the helicopter for about 30 seconds
>finds a big stupid rock and wedges it in between the ground and the landing skid, it stops shaking
>turns to us and gives us a thumbs up with a cheesy smile
>walk towards the helicopter about to piss myself in fear the rock will dislodge and send the rotors at our faces at any moment
>get on somewhat safely
>rock dislodges during takeoff and heli dips to the right, but gets off the ground okay
>i scream like a girl reflexively and get made fun of for it for the rest of the severity roll
Probably should have refused risk on that one
one time we all chipped in for a guy to let an alligator lizard bite him on the nutsack
My uncle used to do this for wildfires in Australia. You have to be brave for this job.
I do it here in the States, haven't gotten sent to Australia yet but I know a lot of guys who go there for the winter offseason. I have big respect for the aussies tho; iirc they mostly use volunteers for wildland shenanigans.
Yeah it's crazy work and really dangerous.
It's cool in really small towns because you know everyone.
>know a lot of guys who go there for the winter offseason.
like, recreationally, I'm assuming
I know like 3-4 guys who went in winter 2019/2020 on assignment, but that doesn't hapoen very often
I had to train a wildland firefighter turned arborist for my job that was basically "climb a utility pole then pet the customer's dog". Callouses thicker than my dick.
Great dude. He works in Salem OR now. Good on you, anon.
Yeah it seems like a popular choice for people leaving a wildland career for something a little more sustainable longterm. That and power line work for some reason.
>task force rattlesnake
>hey guys i found a rattlesnake over here, just be careful
>copy, thanks
>yeah i flagged it off
>...what do you mean you flagged it off
>i flagged it off so you know where it is
>you flagged the fucking rattlesnake? Like the actual snake?
>*radio interference*
I still don't know what he actually did
kek. we've chinga-chopped a few..but "task force rattlesnake" is unironically the name of the california national guard handcrew (I guess with helicopters attached, hence task force) that wears those blue cache packs and gets a lot of photos taken
power line work.involves a fair bit of saw work in rural areas, I always figured that was the common denominator. and willingness to.travel at least a bit.
Anyone here know how achievable a career in consulting is while staying healthy?
Investment banking is kicking my ass.
PLEASE HELP BROS
From my short experience (12months), it's pretty hard to balance the irregular workload and the frequent trips with the gym. You should try for yourself tho, I was a junior consultant in Finance and Strategy for one of the big 4
You know anybody with an environmental background?
t. Environmental consultant that works with multiple F500 companies doing permitting/due diligence work
Don’t you have a gym at the office or at one very close? You people have tons of downtime in your 100 hour weeks.
Or get an apartment in a building with a gym, you can afford it.
Currently a consultant on finance/tech erp implementations. Work 40-50 hours at most while being able to workout in the morning (afternoon is way too busy). Some mornings fucking suck, but I'd rather have a decent workout then none at all. Aside from 4 days gym (upper/lower) I also do kickboxing 2 times a week to get some cardio in.
To make life easier, prep your food. You don't have to prep everything, I only prep my meat for the week on sunday and make my food for the next day the evening before.
Also, get quality sleep in. For morning workouts, at least for me, the amount of sleep I get makes a difference in the workout itself.
And finally, some days it is just not possible to workout (depending on your consulting job). If you work in IB already, then you know what I'm talking about.
The money good?
The money is good now as a senior, but the entry level salary sucked. WLB is also great but that also depends on the project your in.
>pic rel
I want a work from home job so I can spend more time with my dog.
have you tried remote call center operator?
Chimney sweep
Why do I find this hot even though I’m a straight man?
Because you're a gay.
You sound like you wear a kippah
Systems Engineer
General contractor for home repairs but recently took on a stone mason apprenticeship. I love it. Only problem is I burn on average 4,800 calories a day according to my Fitbit and I dont eat that much, and then will randomly splurge on pizza or some high calorie food once or twice a week.
Used to be a banker which is the gayest job in the world.
I work at a zoo 😀
Favourite animal to work with?
Penguins. They're cute and I like throwing them fish.
I work at a bank where I do a mixture of on/offboarding, access management, audit, and compliance work. Mind numbingly boring work with spreadsheets and pdfs that will most likely be eliminated or outsourced to latin america in a few years. Trying to figure out what my next move is from here it's probably information security and/or it audit.
I'm a daycare worker for adults.
Picrel
Do you have free time while on the job? Are you able to bullshit on your phone?
Late reply.
Yes. A lot of people do degrees/study/read. Some people fucking hate the downtime.
Thanks for answering
im convinced all public safety people are legitimately a bit fucked in the head for wanting to do those jobs
>t. former public safety person
I'm doing a PhD In astrophysics
I genuinely feel like I've cheated the system sometimes. Getting paid to do astronomy is really the shit
Math / physics / general stem tutor
Financial tech but I moonlight as a hitman on the side
I write about 80k words a month.
Dev, I strongly advise you don't pursue it unless you are an embedded autist. It is the biggest monkey tier, wagie, grifter, gay filled career
Do MechE, Aerospace, Finance, or literally anything else
Go up into management. Not being the lead or dev tard wrangler, but switch to something like a technical product manager. More job security, less opportunity to get fucked with.
Gunsmith
Basically a wagie but it’s enough money for me to survive + enjoy it and can use my skills for my own shit
I make a porn game via patreon
link?
I bartend at a private pool and when it closes I relax and live frugal.
Best jobs that don't discriminate against long haired muscle dudes?
Factory operator monkey
Semi-retired so now i work casually at a small quiet cafe
FPGA engineer
Hope you have a backup plan for when FPGA/embedded gets decimated by AI.
I took a minor in computer vision and machine learning so no worries. Just riding the wave of money til it happens hahaha
stay in school brehs 🙁
Work in my family business- flexible schedule, I basically train jiu jitsu / lift for 30-40hrs a week and work 35hrs.
Pretty nice ngl.
KFC wagie at the moment but have a couple of government job interviews lined up
Bartender. Also on house arrest.
I own a furniture store in a suburb of a big city and make 200k a year
I run cancer clinical trials
This is going to sound so misogynistic in a way but it's not.
I love working with women because I always know that whatever they do and are capable of, I should be capable of it myself. I know how bad that sounds, certainly there are women with better memories and better than me in plenty ways. But as a general rule of thumb.
Writing/managing contracts for a defense contractor (they do architect-engineer work)
I was a college dropout NEET at 28 and enlisted in the air force out of desperation
Currently 33 making $125k/yr. It's as far from a IST job as you can get but I can go to the gym whenever so it works out I guess. My ex-colonel coworkers are in pretty bad shape but someone still manage to routinely cheat on their wives at the trade shows they go to
Corporate lawyer at an okay firm doing really boring work (not surprising given my call date). Really debating getting into tax/estate planning but I have been told the golden years are over in Canada now between TOSI and taxation of trusts being revamped to really fuck with some strategies.
Production Supervisor at a meat processing plant. Trying to get my Masters and take my boss's job.
Pharmacy student
English tutor for a few hours per week
Jazz musician in new york. About 3-4k a month. Very difficult but very comfy.
Remote call center supervisor!
Software dev (not a webshitter)
I run cancer clinical trials
Security officer of an office building.
Do you work for a contractor or the company? I've thought about doing security but those contractors like Securitas and shit seem like they're full of morons.
Can we see some feet while we're here?
Carpenter
Deliver car parts
Pic related
Post more with less clothes with dick and feet ty
You shave your chest?
Writer. I cover energy: commodity markets, international upstream oil and gas production, M&A activity, renewable energy, capital markets, etc.
Until AI puts me out of my misery anyways. Probably have a couple more years than the content mill writers, since what I do is higher level and more difficult, but it's still going to happen.
AI isn't going to replace writers. Quit clucking, chicken little.
Sorry, should have clarified: AI isn't going to replace good writers.
They're already hiring low mid writers to feed the ai. Once enough passable crap comes out it'll go back in and seal the deal.
I'm aware. I'm one of the people transitioning my mediocre writers to AI tenders. I can tell you point blank that there will always be a need for high-quality human writers.
AI farms existing content to function. If no high-quality writers exist to produce new content, all you'll ever have is regurgitations of old ideas.
For shit writers, this is the end of their career. For good writers, this is an *insane* opportunity.
Writer.
I'm doing a PhD in Physics but since the pay is crap I also work as a truck driver hauling shipping containers on weekends.
i am the main IT guy for the largest sites at my company, and i absolutely hate my job. everyone above me is out of touch because they are at our corporate office in another state. i am looking for another job. people at my job consistently say they love working with me, and they tell me about how my sites couldnt function without me. oh well... im just tired of working here. i hate dealing with people from the family who owns our company (not a small company). the people who own our company are the types who dont read half of an email that is 10 sentences (split into 2 paragraphs) with explanations for the questions they ask. they then proceed to start blowing shit out of proportion, and then they start going to the CIO for answers. the CIO will then call me to ask what the hell the family members are talking about, and i proceed to politely tell them about how they keep misinterpreting shit because they are too ADHD to read 2 different emails (second one was shortened to 3 sentences and a simple picture) that contained the answers they requested. it is very irritating to deal with someone who only ever goes off of rumors or made up shit someone told them, then they continue to ask questions about the made up shit even when you tell them there is no information to back it up. these kinds of people have never worked as a grunt for a job in their lives.
I've been unemployed for nearly 2 years, I used to work minimum wage in restauration
I'd like to work remotely so I can move to Argentina, they have a new type of visa for remote workers
>Min wage
>Hasn't found another min wage job yet
Reel in those dreams kid you're insane.
Half of my family died, I bought a house and I've been living off the inheritance
It can last me another 5 years since I'm thrifty
More reason to get a job rofl
Damn look at that. Another fit career thread where everyone is an engineer, lawyer, doctor, investment banker, or rich landlord.
I'm a normie trust!
I'm a field technician for Lumen that installs internet here in Oregon 😀
Can we see your body and feet ty
Feet no but here have a pic of my dumb dyel ass in the company shitter
Ty nutted
There's several people itt who say they're wagies or unemployed. One of the first posts is a guy working at burger King.
I don't have a career at 31 years old. I've been working the same pathetic do-nothing job since graduating college in 2014. I feel and I am completely worthless. Every day I take the train and see people going to real jobs probably high paid tech jobs. I get ashamed and humiliated. I have no real interests or goals so I don't even know what job I would do if I were to quit because I've basically gained no real transferrable skills from this job. The thought of having to go to a job interview for something I don't even know what to apply for and having to explain my qualifications terrifies me because of how badly it would go.
Every day I go to work I spend the entire day in misery and wanting to kill myself for how worthless and pathetic it makes me feel. I peruse fit career threads and see the great jobs people always have and get jealous but I can't even imagine doing any of them so I have nothing to study for.
What do you do mate? Also post current body and feet ty
Relatable.
Ok you need to take steps to fix this right now. You need another degree to start fresh if you really can’t transition out of your job, which it sounds like you can’t. I’ve been in your position where I was doing a job that I felt had no transferable skills and was stuck. What I did was convince my company to move me to a position that has transferable skills (software engineering, basically). In addition to that I am also getting a masters in CS. This all started a year and a half ago, so I’m still making shit pay because my company knows I have no bargaining power and need this job like it’s nobody’s business. But I know that my fortunes will change soon. If you start now, you could do a masters in something that makes money and be in a way better place 5 years from nowxpkwh
>haha dude just tell your company to transfer you into being a software engineer
not him but lol
Total parody of my point, which is that he needs to take steps to fix this and change course right now. That happened to be individual to me, but anyone can get more education, schools are all too happy to take your money and if he starts now he can be in a much better spot in 5 years
>tfw you realize everyone on IST has a white collar job making six figures and likely doesn't face any hardships in life
>can't even relate to people on IST
it's time for me to go.
Bitch I only just barely have a handle on my rampant depression, have been estranged from 100% of my blood relatives for more than a decade, and feel cripplingly lonely in social settings.
Just because I now make 6 figures doesn't mean shit isn't rough in other ways.
>wahh wahh im so depressed
>oh btw i have the motivation and ambition to work a demanding 6 figure job
Balancing depression and responsibility is called being a 21st century adult, you dumb cunt.
>haha all adults today are so depressed XD
god, shut the fuck up gay.
>Bitch I only just barely have a handle on my rampant depression, have been estranged from 100% of my blood relatives for more than a decade, and feel cripplingly lonely in social settings.
are you a woman?
you're mentally filtering out all the minimum wagies and NEETs when you're looking at the posts
Paramedic
I unironically work cashier at ikea, do background acting and furniture dek8very on the side
I'm a candidate to become a cop, bit it looks like a commitment
Granted I'm 24 still at ikea after 4 years and my mind keeps screaming at me to do more when I see my peers showing off their fancy ass jobs
But the roas to those jobs look hard and annoying and filled with rejection abd pain, ikea is comfy (but internally miserable, I feel like sisyphus)
What do?
Try to become a supervisor there, if it isn't possible then go apply to a hotel job.
Love how everyone in this thread is raking in 6 figures with a doctor/engineer/lawyer job. These are the same normalmorons telling you "hurrrr theres no excuse to not weightlift bro".
>have access to whole foods
>have the money for protein rich foods
>have the money for supplements
>have the time to workout
>live in safe suburban neighbourhoods
>hardly any stress and no dangers around you
Ever notice how all the roidtrannies and zoomer fags on instagram and tiktok are always recording in their huge platinum gyms or giant garage in their upper-middle class houses? How do these queers cope with the fact that without the myriad of privileges they have they wouldn't be shit?
Fuck that, how do YOU ISTfags cope with the fact that you're not as tough as you think you are? None of you are the hot shits you think you are. I know people way tougher and way more masculine than any of you and they've never touched a barbell in their lives.
NONE of you gays have ever lived in poverty or in a tight budget. You think someone can get jacked by working a fulltime warehouse job? PLUS afford all the protein PLUS pay all the bills PLUS do all the cooking. Fuck you gays.
It sounds like your making excuses for not exercising. DYEL?
i dont live near cities (the nearest big city is 3 hours away), so i dont have access to most of that shit you listed. i think access to a lot of things cities offer tend to make people become slaves to convenience and degeneracy. it makes people too lazy to have to come up with an improvised solution for quite a few problems. you are forced to figure shit out when you cant just go 2 blocks over to find someone to do it for you.
>You think someone can get jacked by working a fulltime warehouse job?
yes, easily. ive worked with plenty of people at my company's distribution centers. i genuinely dont understand how someone can be fat and work in a warehouse, unless they are one of the few office personnel on site.
>PLUS afford all the protein PLUS pay all the bills PLUS do all the cooking.
i may not expect them to do all the cooking like you mentioned, but they should easily be able to pay their bills. these people work enough overtime to cover it easily. most people ive dealt with in warehouses are looking forward to their next short term expensive purchase. this is why they always say they are broke. this applies to more than just warehouse workers, though.
>>have access to whole foods
unless you have some rare circumstance where the only food source within 100 miles of you is a gas station, you can get good food. Frozen vegetables, eggs, beans, oats, and yogurt are all you need.
>have the money for protein rich foods
Frozen vegetables, eggs, beans, oats, and yogurt are all you need.
>have the money for supplements
Not a necessity for fitness
>have the time to workout
This is cope. You're sitting here on IST right now
>live in safe suburban neighbourhoods
Work out in your house.
>hardly any stress and no dangers around you
Everyone has stress you're not special.
Other than food buying food, fitness is free.
fuck I made a typo, it's so over
>Everyone has stress you're not special.
yeah people on fit have so much stress.
has stress you're not special.
Sorry, let me clarify. Nobody cares about your stress gay.
post body
Multiple people have posted food service jobs and high skill jobs that are still low paying like paramedics. Genuinely, you are the problem.
Pilot Chad reporting. Pulling Gs and loving it
>my spine crys out in pain
I always wondered if anyone ever posed for art classes.
I imagine they would probably someone with noticeable muscles and it might be decent money.
*want someone
Trash collector in an apartment complex. I spend about 2 hours a day walking around the area walking up stairs carrying heavy trash and pushing it into a cart while i also doing calisthenics when i get back home. I'm getting pretty shredded
I was a sales assistant/catalogger to a few antiques/art dealers for a few years after graduation and I quit that earlier this year to take online school for data analytics. It is very stressful making such a career u-turn and all my friends in my town married/moved away so I am totally alone in my free time. Doing online classes alone as well. Maybe one or two non-transactional convorsations a week with the neighbors max, so my workouts have shifted to emphasize exhaustion to quiet the anxious mind. Big abs and long stair climbs have become an everyday thing. If any of u have experience trying to get a business / tech job from a non-degree program with a liberal arts background help a brother out and tell me it's possible.
>If any of u have experience trying to get a business / tech job from a non-degree program
put some bullshit on your resume about being a technician or help desk, and you need to practice through your knowledge and bullshitted experience enough times in your head to convince yourself of it. if you can convince yourself of it, you can likely convince the person hiring you for an entry level tech job.
Considering going into finance because I'm not happy with my first degree. I've heard conflicting things however, some people say you just do spreadsheets all day, others have said its more fast paced and intense. Don't know what to do tbh.
if you dont care much about money and want to get some killer experience on your resume, look into getting a job with your state's department of banking and finance. this is going to require a bachelor's. if you have the clot shot, you can work your way into working with the feds for good money.
IT
I make metal stuffk44p
I'm a neet.
My workouts are only possible because my dad used to lift and had a bunch of workout equipment
I'm 30 and I have realized that I'm just too much of a pathetic manchild to have a career. I know that all normal people have them and I literally cannot even fathom it. I can't fathom having a career with real responsibilities, stuff like leading meetings, writing reports, meeting clients, having presentations, going on business trips, even something as rudimentary as wearing business casual or a suit every day. People who gain skills and apply to other jobs, increase their workload, promotions, negotiate salary increases, I literally cannot fathom any of this. I would really like to be able to do all these things but they are all a completely foreign concept to me.
By 30 all normal people on the planet already have a career and have experienced many many years of doing the above completely rudimentary parts of having a career. I have done none of it. It's too late for me. I can never recover from this shame and humiliation.
Church music director.
Government economist. Basically just advise my countries Government why they're retarded while they threaten to downsize the office I work in because I don't agree with the qwaks that support which ever parties in Government.
training to be an AST (rescue swimmer)
Dropshipping.
$300.000 year profit with my 3 stores.
Gonna retire next year at 23.
Machinist. 24 making $25.53/hr. not great, actually terrible considering I live in one of the most expensive places in the US.
Also I haven't talked to a girl in the last 4 years. I go to work, exhaust myself, come home and fall asleep. Then hang out with my machinist buddies on the weekend. I gotta get out of this. I'm glad I got into it when I did because I didn't have to take the science juice, but now it's turning me into an incel.
Thinking hard about going back home and going back to college. I've gained a lot of mechanical (reverse) engineering experience but also am pretty interested in learning about geology, just idk what kind of career opportunities to expect there.
Also need to figure out how to make ends meet if I go back to school.
I have my own construction company, money is good but I'm kind of bored of it, so I'm taking a course in CCNA to find a job in IT. I've met waaay too many people that earn double or triple my pay for a lot less work, so that's what I want.
It's crazy how it feels like everyone of fit has top careers. Everyone a lawyer, doctor, wall street banker, engineer especially software, top IT guy, or own their own company. Maybe it[s just confirmation bias. But I can't imagine the life these people have. Must be such a great, easy life being so smart and rich and having everything you could ever want. Man
factory worker at a continuous caster in a steel mill
What's fit's opinion on chemical process engineering?
CNC-mill/lathe operator
I do AI.
I beat up/get beaten up in a cage/ring and teach others how to do the same.
I also do software dev.
currently an underwater welder/commercial diver. Pay sucks compared to other trades, let alone hard as fuck on my body.The guys who make the big bucks are saturation divers making 1500-2000 a day for a month straight but you’re gone from family and home for those whole months. Chicks do dig divers its one of the masculine jobs you can do so getting pussy is simple if you’re not hideous. Looking to switch careers to be a lineman which pull 110-250k anually.
Any cool stories?
i buy and sell ships
Physiotherapist in education. It is total crap though
Im getting my PhD so I do research and hold lectures and shit. Very enjoyable tbh
what field
Maths/Statistics
damn so you're on track to any job you want 300k starting huh
European so prolly more like 100k to 150k if I play my cards right but at this point Im not sure if I want to do that or go for Professor track. I really enjoy academia and my wife is rich
Just go be a quant in the USA.
It would be me dream job if I was disciplined enough to go finish my degree and then actually work hard at a job.
Instead I failed school and now I just teach high school maths.
I'm a registered nurse at an aged care home in Australia, I work about 25 - 35 hours a week, about 85k a year. Currently trying to get into medical school atm. Going for the entrace exams in September. I have a home gym and workout usually everyday when I wake up. The aged care home I work in has like 30 beds and is one of the expensive private homes in the state so not too many fully demented retards. I stay pretty fit I guess I'm still over weight. My original weight was 130kg I'm 85kg now. Been lifting for about 2 years. Goal is 75kg. Also fuck abos and fuck pooftas.
What's up with Australia and nurses? I legit, like genuinely and very seriously do not know 1 single Australian who isn't a nurse. I have a few acquaintances plus some other random people from Australia and they're all nurses.
They also all earn decent wages
>They also all earn decent wages
Fuck, you wouldn't know it the way they carry on. Between them and teachers, I've never met a bunch that so incessantly complain about getting paid exorbitant amounts for the most menial and lackluster jobs.
Machine Learning engineer for a biotech company. Do about 20 hours of actual work per week, get 95k€ per year which is fucking crazy in Germany at my age.
kicking Black folks and mudslimes out of me country
Grad student.
That's not a job. Just a heads up, get part time work NOW even if it pays pennies. It will help you when you start interviewing for your real career.
It is a job. I get paid a salary.
Trying to become a pilot…
i grift my government and do SAR stuff when i feel cute
I work as a commercial analyst for one of the big global oil companies
pastry chef
Damn wjo is that?which routine?
Data Analyst in the pharmacy sector
Resident doctor
Med student
What's residency like?
Depends on program, specialty, and year. I'm an IM intern so call is tough. Otherwise not too terrible.
Fellow med student here, can't wait to tell patients they're fat sacks of shit
unemployed, aspiring full time neet
Web dev code monkey.
I'm a professional brewer so yeah cutting is hard for the first two weeks.
Mathematician.
(I have a Fields medal).
proof or bait
Biglaw Associate
I'm about to be employed. I have 36 weeks of unemployment benefits. Any suggestions on how to best use that time to reskill?
>employed
unemployed I mean I was layed off.
What did you do? Sec + that's plenty of time to study and get the cert
I think that’s a good idea. I am/was in a type of help desk role. I set up people’s ad groups, set up licenses, reset passwords, etc. Any of the real technical work I am just opening a ticket for another team to do. Makes sense why they’re eliminating my role since it’s just menial shit that can be automated easily.
Barber. Pretty cool career, just cutting hair, talking shit, watching sports and hanging out with dudes all day. Only complaint is that weekends are the best days to make money, which sucks when my wife works a regular mon-fri schedule.
That said, I mostly work Friday-Sunday, and during the week work on my FBA store on amazon for a side hustle. It’s kinda nice that I can mostly do it on my phone. So sometimes I’ll just go into the shop on a Wednesday or Thursday (slower days) and work on that while I wait for haircuts.
It's hard to have the motivation to work towards a career when all you think about is how worthless and retarded you are and how badly you want to have a nice day. After 30 years, it's too late. It doesn't matter anymore. Who cares.
Post fizeek et's go. If you don't you're beyond redemption and should follow your advice
I work in an old Italian deli
The pay isn't great but it comes with unlimited free meat/cheese scraps and the girls in the bakery are cute as fuck
Thinking about going back to school to finish my EE degree
Cybersecurity Engineer.
High pay, plenty of jobs available, and most everyone in the industry is humble enough to understand no one understands everything in the industry as a whole.
MD in a third world country
Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation Resident
University Professor
Make about 2,200 dls a month
DIY store
>always was smart as a kid
>very high gpa, advanced classes in all subjects, etc.
>still never really had ambition for any sort of career or even a field to study
>forced to go to college for some dumb degree, was a social retard, completely miserable, performed like shit and should have dropped out but parents wouldnt let me
>too dumb for grad school
>no real skills learned
>waste all my 20s at a piece of shit job and live like basically a neet
>it's too late for me to recover
>"dude just go back to school" when i already performed poorly in school coming off a childhood dedicated to studies, now 10 years of learning nothing and being a mouth breathing retard and at the lowest point of my life miserable and suicidal every day
all i ever do is think about how desperately i wish i could have just gone back to graduating high school and just gone to a community college for a directly appliable 2 year degree or even a bachelors just in something directly employable. i always heard about college being a scam but was arrogant and delusional thinking that becuase i was smart it wouldnt happen to me.
thanks for not reading my blog.
You are living my worst nightmare.
thanks. at least you dont have to live it. must be nice. hopefully it will be over for me soon.
I say that with the most empathy and I say this too with the most empathy that you might be a reason I change the trajectory of my life.
what is your current status then
>inb4 18 year old
Unironically go get your EMT license. Community colleges and local fire departments usually put on the course, it'll take you a single semester.
It's an admirable profession, looks good on resumes and EMTs are always in demand so it's easy to find a job. I work in a city of around 150,000 so I have a very wide variety of calls. Had a guy the other day crash his truck into stopped interstate traffic going 70mph because he was jacking off on his way to work lol. Fucking died too.
If you enjoy it after a year or two, go get your paramedic. Get to drug people and make more money.
Buddy just got a paramedic job further out in the county where nobody lives and works a 48 hour shift with 4 days off in between. He works 144 hours every two weeks and sometimes doesn't have a call a single shift. When he's not on a call he gets paid to play video games and lift weights at work. Still rakes in almost 100k.
Doesn't it take like 8 years to get your paramedic license tho? Or did I hear wrong.
For paramedic it's like 3 semesters.. but most agencies will pay a percentage of the costs if not all of it.
>Still rakes in almost 100k.
? BLS stats has the median at less than 50k. Maybe that's just base pay with no OT or something.
He's a paramedic so it'd be ALS. Makes $26 an hour with 144 hours every two weeks.
This isn't including incentive pays. For example, if he's running his ass off and gets more than so many calls during that shift he get's an extra 12 dollars an hour for the rest of the shift.
He told me that he came in on one of his days off (remember this dude gets 4 days off after ever single shift) and did a patient transfer (literally just transporting the patient to a different hospital) to Barns in St Louis. He gets a pay incentive if his transfer is over a certain distance one direction. Dude made like 60 bucks an hour for this 12 hour shift where all he did was monitor someones vitals on his way to St. Louis and then sleep on the way back.
The private ambulance services is where the money opportunities lie.
Hmmm, I might just have to look into this myself. I'm one of the wildland anons in this thread and looking for something else to do in a few years. Getting paid slave wages to dig line is starting to get old but I'd love to stay involved with emergency response in some way.
The exciting shit is the long, grueling, 12 hours shifts in the city. While the nice, laid back, comfy 24 or 48 hour positions are in the stations positioned in the rural areas surrounding the city. And since all of the ambulances in my are all private medical companies, they don't pay firefighter wages.
Just don't get picked up by a fire department (like me), I make peanuts. I'm making the transition to full time medical right now actually. Have an interview next week.
At that point why not try to get in to something like nursing? From an outsider's perspective it looks like similar work with a much higher pay ceiling, albeit greater educational requirements.
I had to work 4 shifts in the ER back when I got my EMT license, and I'll never work in a hospital. Also, nursing school it much longer for not really that much more in pay than a well payed paramedic.
If you wanted to work in a hospital for good pay, I'd recommend like respiratory therapy. That paramedic buddy I have, that's what his wife does. She makes 100k a year working part time, and that's because she picks up shifts that have stacking pay incentives her hospital offers, which add up to like 80 to 90 an hour. I asked her the other day how much she would make if she switched to full time and she told me that she would actually be taking a pay cut.
>100k a year part time
never fails on fit. either the posters are rich, or their friends are rich, or their wives work part time regular jobs and also make six figures.
I'm assuming the guy works for a fire department. (most of what you do as a "firefighter" is EMS, unless you're a wildland chad.). EMTs and medics who just work for ambulance companies or whatever make fuck-all, and most of them are en route to something more lucrative, either structure fire or higher medical training.
As someone that went to college and failed flat first semester and got into a psych ward for it I recommend you try again.
Go do adult classes. There are night time programs. None of the social bullshit. I was just naturally good and didn't try in HS either. Second round at college worked for me though left with a 3?89 or something like that.
While I only straightened myself out and now years after am I working on hard skills with certs you can still do it. We're the same age ish (29) here so keep your head up.
I'm not some Chad I'm just a normal semi autist that keeps to themselves so keep that in mind.
so you just failed the first semester then immediately went back and excelled and just happen to now be a close age to me, not really the same situation.
however i definitely should have gone to a psych ward. i was constantly telling my parents how miserable i was and that i wanted to drop out. they just ignored it. maybe going to therapy could have helped me
Few years later
I will say this I had to be in a right place and I went in two years out of HS and wasn't ready. Tackled it again 3/4 after I failed.
Moping and finding excuses won't help. And I don't need to give you clear timelines of anything. You can choose to sit in the shit or do something about it.
The psych ward didn't help tbh.
No, no, no - never go into a psch ward.
If you refuse to take this warning, at least never take antipsychotic medication. All meds are bad, but particularly antipsychotics.
Antipsychotics WILL fuck you up irreversibly, you will NEVER be completely the same again, NEVER go near them.
>Antipsychotics WILL fuck you up irreversibly, you will NEVER be completely the same again, NEVER go near them.
oh yes, i should totally avoid a psych ward and meds. i wouldnt want it to irreversibly fuck up my current life as a 30 year old career-less friendless kissless incomprehensibly miserable suicidal virgin.
You see! You and I are literally the same minus the kissless part.
Take my advice buddy.
This guy isn't me who gave you the advice you're replying to, I'm the guy who replied about therapy instead.
Unlesss I''m crazier than I thought.
There are more people than just you on IST retard
Take your meds
Yes, it can always be worse.
I recommend counselling/therapy instead. Not a therapist who's going to tell you everything is fine and you don't need material things, one that will help you get things done. A life coach really would be the best thing, doing a little therapy in conjunction with it, but life coaches are very expensive so that's probably out of the question.
>it's too late for me to recover
No it is not. if you don't kys, you have like 60 years of life left. This could all be a distant memory one day. I know you do not want to hear this but you must go back to school, you can't go on living like this the rest of your life. Is the problem that you don't know what you would do? If you're autistic do some computer science classes then do an online masters in CS unironically. There's tons of programs that want your money. If you're not autistic, consider nursing. My friend's Mom had a husband die of cancer, re-married, hated the new husband, so she put a plan together to get out of it and did night classes, then nursing school, then divorced her husband and supported herself as a nurse. This was all in her 50s and took 3-4 years iirc. People make these kinds of switches all the time, you can do it and I believe in and will be praying for you
Industry analyst at an energy firm producing hydrogen for the industrial sector (heavy-duty transport/shipping, agriculture, steelmaking, etc.)
Government bureaucrat. It's great
WFH software dev, I don't make much because I'm in a shitty company right now but the future looks bright.
I love that eventually there always are landlords having thread long discussions on how landlords are awful.
We can tell you're a broke normie anon like us. Stop.
Went from neet to working at the local clothing thrift shop. It allowed me to become social and it pays well enough for what it is. I can chat up cute girls (and twinks), tell them they made a good choice, sing along with the songs I pick and when there is downtime I practise drawing or study math. It is incredibly chill.
you sound like a gay
I'm shutting down my business in 2 months after being open for 5 years. I sold specially formwork and joinery products.
I have no clue what I'm going to do now.
5 years ago I was a low level construction estimator.
>Jr Sys Admin
Was fucking around in Helpdesk for a year and noticed I didn't break anything so now I get to fuck with their network and learn their AWS environment. Only been in this field a year but it beats the hell out of land surveying. Grossly underpaid and overworked. More IST than I've ever been being able to lift on my breaks.
I was neet till 30 got a job at a pizza place I been at for a year but I'm soon to be fired cause pajeet new owners are coming in. Dunno really wat to do next might just be neet again