Carnivore Diet

Well, I'm going back to the gym and I'm going to try the "carnivore diet" that's been popular on Tiktok. Just bought a shitton of fatty meats. My diet was really bad. I work at home and rarely leave the house. And I literally only ate tofu and noodles. Yes, I was an unironic ONIONS BOY.

Anyone else on an only meat diet?

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I tried it for a week, lost 3-4 kg (was losing it anyway I think, but diet helped). Drank alcohol too. I found my natural eating time went an hour a day later until I was just having one meal. tbh, I liked the simplicity: cheese and steak for every meal, no thoughts about what to eat.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Drank alcohol too
      Classic moronation, classic IST

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You're the moron

        I tried it for a week, lost 3-4 kg (was losing it anyway I think, but diet helped). Drank alcohol too. I found my natural eating time went an hour a day later until I was just having one meal. tbh, I liked the simplicity: cheese and steak for every meal, no thoughts about what to eat.

        Good. Keep it up. Just stick to ruminants.
        https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7377878/
        https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2451847621000038
        https://jpet.aspetjournals.org/content/299/2/638.long
        https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22234172/
        https://web.archive.org/web/20190114174257/https://academic.oup.com/jn/article/134/4/904/4757155
        https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2646971/
        https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25239591/

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    post body.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I stuck to it for 10 days (no cheating - only meat, eggs and butter) and lost 5KG.

      Now I'm doing low-carb. So basically carnivore, but with some vegetables thrown in. And no processed food except cheese in small amounts.
      Gonna fast 3 days a week too so i can take a nice family photo at the beach with my kids in June

      https://i.imgur.com/O0Ms3gn.jpeg

      good luck carnicuck, you will need it.

      How i sleep knowing my enemies (You) are vaxxed and boosted: =*~~*~~

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Fake and gay (wiener is carnivore)

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          100% real & heterosexual.
          Besides I'm doing it for my family

          If you want carbs eat fruits and honey. Vegetables are shit.

          Kys, sugar shill

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Carbs and sugar are the same moronanon. The only difference between fruits/honey and veggies is that the first 2 arent packed with antinutrients.
            Vegetables arent food.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >NoooooOooOoo u must eat the sweet-slop!!!!
              >Having some lettuce&tomatoes is totally the same as spoonfuls of honey!!!
              >NooOoOoooOOooOOOoooo don't give up the sugar!!!!!!!!
              Lmao, pathetic

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Idk why anyone would eat lettuce. Tastes like shit and has no nutrients. They are just toxins, fiber and pesticides. Very smart anon.
                Also tomatoes are fruits and they are alright as long as you remove the skin and seeds.
                And like I said, sugar and any carb has the same effect in your body. The difference is you can consume the first one raw and has no antinutrients.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >tastes like shit
                >no nutrients
                >pesticides
                Sorry about your life, muttbro.
                Please don't come to Europe, but you can always reroll if you like

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Europeans piss me off so fricking much.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Nutrients: zzzzzzzeeeeeeeeeeeroooiioooooooooo
                Europe is a shithole btw and it only keeps getting worse.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Cmon, do a civil war.
                You know you gotta.

                (We will finally unfrick our continent while you're busy)

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Europe is doomed because you morons refuse to breed. It literally doesn't matter your ideology, all of you have that in common.
                Liberal whites think being childfree is empowering. Racist whites think having more than 3 kids is for "subhumans".
                You morons will be replaced by the hordes of sandies having 10 babies each. Good riddance.
                Lettuce is still hideous.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Bro, all you gotta do to fix the birthrates is make a couple of TV shows and movies about how having kids is awesome and how those who don't are cucks. Also cut women's admissions to universities and the job market. It's as simple as that. Yet ~~*somebody*~~ won't allow it.

                I used to be a psyopped anti natalist in my 20s but even i now have two kids and hoping for a third.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Yet ~~*somebody*~~ won't allow it.
                You can thank anglogolems for giving israelites all the power they have.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Kek every time i hear terrible news about UK from PJW or other sources i can't help but think
                >you get what you fricking deserve!!!

                Still, it's a shame.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Bro, all you gotta do to fix the birthrates is make a couple of TV shows and movies about how having kids is awesome

                Sure, not by ensuring the remaining dregs of the middle class aren't bled dry by reversing the constant drain on its income. A TV show will surely convince GenZ's who will be 30-year-old virgins with a net worth of $1,000 to pump out kids.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The main issue is costs of living, especially when it comes to space.
                No one wants to share their bedroom with 3 kids and people can barely afford to live in pods themselves at this point.
                If everyone had a multistory house to fill it with family members most people would do it.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                tomatoes are fruits

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                And pizza is a vegetable

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                vegetable isn’t a biological category, it’s a culinary one referring to savoury plants and fungi. There’s no contradiction between something being both a fruit and a vegetable.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The term "vegetable" is used colloquially to refer to edible parts of the plant that aren't fruits or seeds, since we have other words to refer to those categories. Everyone understands that when you say "vegetable," you mean the roots, stems, or leaves of the plant.
                You pedantic homosexual.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If something has an explicit category and definition, which fruits do, they arent the same. The same way that a truck isnt a car, but both are automobiles

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        If you want carbs eat fruits and honey. Vegetables are shit.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Damn you mean if I can do carnivore I can be a fatass with gyno? Damn thats crazy.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Post body and lifts or your mom dies in her sleep this week

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >"haha eating tofu and noodles? what a soiboi, lol enjoy your gyno and pudgy body."

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You look exactly the same

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Thanks for your expert opinion, Mr. moron.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >look leddit, I lost water weight cutting out carbs!
        >zomg dis is da whey!

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        30 days to half a year to see most benefits of carnivore beyond weight loss

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Based on your picture it was 10 days. Which is it, fatass samegay?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            He said "BEYOND WEIGHTLOSS".
            are you a Black person or do you just have Black person tier reading comprehension?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Horsecawk

        Enjoy going into shock from heavy squats, and dying if someone doesn't cram some beef jerky into your mouth shortly afterwards

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Is there any proof of this actually happening? People run marathons while fasting and don't die.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Kek you must be b***h-made. I squat 150kg on carnivore and I'm just fine

          • 2 weeks ago
            Horsecawk

            >3pl8 is heavy
            oiamlaffin.jpg

            Your body isn't special anon, you'd be better off running a high-carb diet. Remain stubborn and ignorant if you wish, but that is the truth.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Post body with timestamp.
              You're just a dyel gipsy who never has and never will squat 3pl8 in his life.

              >better off eating high-carb
              Ahahhahhah, i'm sorry did i call you a "dyel gipsy"? I meant to say OBESE DYEL israelite-GIPSY.

              kys, gay

              • 2 weeks ago
                Horsecawk

                It's amusing that you think 3pl8 is impressive, or difficult to achieve for a healthy male. Pretty much every healthy, able-bodied male training properly will be able to reach 3pl8 within 5 years.

                Yet, for some reason, you've made this association between your moronic carnivore diet, and hitting this number. If I had to speculate it why, it would be because your subconscious knows you're not going to make it to 4pl8. Your diet is too moronic for that.

                Instead, your strength gain is going to plateau because your body won't have the energy that it needs to grow, and you're going to be just another lifetime intermediate, beating your chest, and chimping out over a weight that's literally novice-tier for a 6'3", 100kg+ man like me.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >6'3
                Lol nice try Schlomo or Radu, or however you "people" call yourselves.
                More like 1m63 and over 100kg.

                Got any more outrageous claims to make, without providing any proof?
                >im 6'3 with a horse dick, squatted 3pl8 as a novice, got 2 degrees in quantum kikology and 6 million of my people were killed by the Germans

              • 2 weeks ago
                Horsecawk

                >P-p-pls post your huge naked body and wiener so that I can ogle it because I'm totally not a closeted homosexual

                It's also clear that you don't understand how the stages of lifting work.

                3pl8 *is* a novice figure for a 100kg lifter. You can check for yourself: https://strengthlevel.com/

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Here let me pull up a chart instead of any old squat video
                How do you "people" call this? Chutzpah?
                Yes very israelitey of you. Very much so!

                Btw do you get paid by the (You) or is it an hourly rate?
                And is the obnoxious tripcode there so your boss can easily track your posts?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                not that guy but
                1. 3pl8 is indeed unimpressive for someone weighing 100kg
                2. you don't even know what a tripcode is you moronic newhomosexual Black person. go back to facebook

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >unironically carnivore
        >is also a fat moron

        every fricking time lmao

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          > successfully losing weight is moronic
          OK, israelite.
          Post body with time stamp or your mom dies in her sleep this month

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >> successfully losing weight is moronic

            guess what fat moron, you can also lose weight just as easily without following some moronic fad diets

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >completely different pose
        >completely different lighting and angle
        >still no difference
        holy fricking shit why does every single "transformation" involve totally incomparable pictures? how hard is it to stand in the same place you stood in 10 fricking days ago? the real reason 99% of before and afters are like this is because if they did them properly it would prove that nothing changed

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The "before" picture was taken by my wife, who was busy with our kids when it was time to take the "after" pic. So i had to go take the pic myself in the home gym mirror.
          But luckily i have waist and weight measurements.

          >no difference
          sorry about your iq, buddy.
          Now can you go be a Black person somewhere else please?

          >> successfully losing weight is moronic

          guess what fat moron, you can also lose weight just as easily without following some moronic fad diets

          Like what? The one where you add up randomly assigned units of heat energy, which have nothing to do with the human body?

          Still no body posted. Kek, you're probably a dysgenic brownoid anyways.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >guy saying cico is fake is a fat moron with gyno
            Every time.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/O0Ms3gn.jpeg

      good luck carnicuck, you will need it.

      Moxyte the ketoschizo is back!

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Ketoschizo sighting

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I know right. Seeing moxyte the ketoschizo in the wild is always a joyous occasion.
          Too bad he's going to prison.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          vigger

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/O0Ms3gn.jpeg

      good luck carnicuck, you will need it.

      Every single time, within 2 or 3 replies. Moxyte, you need a hobby.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    good luck carnicuck, you will need it.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >starved himself on purpose (that's what fasting is)
      >cardio and weightlifting almost everyday
      >dec 2021 (peak of the vaxx boosters)
      I'm sure it was the meat, veganbro

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Two things proven to extend lifespan and soemthign I have no proof of caused his issues
        Yeah probably not

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >proven
          Hahahahaha brainwashed moron. The longest living people lead sedentary lifestyles. Exercising that much destroys your heart.
          Starving yourself good for you? Sure, never listen to your body, just le science KEK

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Ah okay its you again. Not gunna argue with you

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Moron. Go run and die in your 60s like all the other morons.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Not gunna argue with you

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Because you can't.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Do you have any proof it was his diet that caused the issue? You sound just as bad as he does.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I didnt claim it was his diet

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    these fat homosexuals will do anything but put the fork down.
    yeah bro go ahead, do it for the sake of the genetic gene pool jesus christ youre pathetic

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Cicogays are mentally deranged. They'd rather someone be hungry while eating "muh balanced diet" when you can easily eat 3 animal based meals and feel very satisfied.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        A cicoCuck's balanced diet:

        >300g of rice (carbs)
        >100g of tofu ("proteins")
        >cooked in sóybean oil (trans-fats)
        >spiced with 100g of aspartame (because it's zero calorie sugar and you can put sugar on everything to make it yummy)
        >a bag of bug-protein oreos and a bean-based protein shake with sóy milk to make sure he gets enough proooooteinnn
        >2 litres of coke zero

        Its only 1650 kcal!
        What now fatties?
        I've lost 3kg in the past 6 months!
        U jelly? U miring my consistency? Hah shoulda bought Greg Doucette's cookbook for AMAZING culinary lifehacks like putting ~~*zero calorie sugar*~~ on everything.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >you can only feel satisfies eating nothing but meat
        Lol ok

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Alright I'm sorry. I wasn't trying to annoy anyone here.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      most reasonable cico practitioner

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Horsecawk

    >Anyone else on an only meat diet?

    This is one of THE STUPIDEST things you can do if you care about lifting at all. Your body, and muscles, need carbs to perform optimally.

    Ketogenesis is EMERGENCY POWER. It is the BACKUP BATTERY. You are a fricking IDIOT running your body on the energy system that is supposed to save you from starvation if food is scarce.

    Jfc I HATE carnivore / keto people. No group is more stupid, and more convinced that they're right. A bunch of morons that think they've found some secret fount of knowledge. No, IDIOT, you've found the EMERGENCY POWER SYSTEM of your body, AND YOU'RE RUNNING OFF OF IT SO THAT YOU CAN MAKE moronic POSTS ON SOCIAL MEDIA LIKE YOU'VE FOUND THE SECRET THAT MAKES YOU HEALTHIER AND BETTER THAN EVERYONE ELSE.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >emergency power system
      >moron believes humans just popped into existence with rakes and forks plowing the land to grow wheat and fruit all year round

      • 2 weeks ago
        Horsecawk

        Unimaginably foolish response, you clearly know nothing about the body's energy systems.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Unimaginably foolish response
          pic rel, you

          as i keep telling you, reddit is that way ---->

          • 2 weeks ago
            Horsecawk

            Ad hominem, and a strawman

            Try arguing with reason

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Hunter gatherers and proto humans only survived as omnivores. You think they were predators or something, like we were having roast venison every night?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          What did we gather in winter in the northern latitudes?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Not much. That's when your fat stores get used.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I did a lifetime squat PR of 152.5KG on my 8th day of carnivore. Getting energy from fat works just fine 🙂

      Btw nice seethe-post. Have you tried getting upboats for it from "balanced diet enjoyers"?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Horsecawk

        >Hurr durr I did this thing
        Your anecdote means exactly nothing, and expending large amounts of energy in a ketogenic state is dangerous since you're RUNNING ON EMERGENCY POWER.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >RUNNING ON EMERGENCY POWER.
          >moron can't into diferentiating between stored fat and dietary fat

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah bro, our bodies are totally like batteries! Have you looked into VIVO?
      >Voltage in Voltage out

      And dont you dare dispute it cause that would be against the laws of Electromagnetics or something

      • 2 weeks ago
        Horsecawk

        I have two degrees in physics so I actually understand how electromagnetic power flows throughout a volume, and in my expert opinion you are moronic.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >i got some accreditation from a degree mill and all i can use it for is bragging on the internet
          Lmao shove your expert opinion up your ass, gay

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I have three degrees and you clearly don't know what you're talking about.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Horsecawk

            Post your degrees or gtfo.

            It's straightforward to calculate the volumetric flow of electromagnetic power by integrating the Poynting vector throughout the given region. Stokes' theorem can help with this if boundary conditions are known, although typically Fourier Analysis is done in general to analyze the frequency response of the medium, instead.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Post your degrees you moron.
              But then you only have two, so you're probably not smart enough to understand how.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Horsecawk

                Sure, let me just dox myself so that a useless NEET like you can waste your life figuring out who I am.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Horsecawk

                For my master's in computational physics, I wrote a Teraflop (that's a trillion floating-point operations per second for your smoothbrain) GPU code that implemented a set of magnetohydrodynamic equations in order to simulate a fusion plasma configuration.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >code that implemented
                dubs of code monkey pretending to be smart lol

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                In English, Einstein

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Voltage in Voltage out
        it actually do be like that though. the voltage will be used by the circuit and the negative end of the battery will be 0 volts

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Yeah bro, our bodies are totally like batteries!
        They are, our bodies use and store energy in the form of chemical energy like a battery. This chemical energy is in food.
        The electron transport chain in the mitochondrial get electrons from the food we eat and uses the energy in these electrons to move protons from one side of a membrane to the other. This creates a charge gradient of protons on either side of the membrane. When the charge on one side of the membrane is positive enough in relation to the other side of the membrane, the protons flow from the more positive side of the membrane back to the other to equalize the charge, and creates ATP using this energy.
        The cell then uses the ATP as an energy source to survive and function.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Horsecawk

          Thank you for teaching us about this anon, your words have expanded my understanding of the electrobiochemistry behind the body's energy systems, and I am grateful

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Here you go:

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >This is one of THE STUPIDEST things you can do if you care about lifting at all. Your body, and muscles, need carbs to perform optimally.
      If you're a fatass your body will use fat as an energy source. If you're a scrawny homosexual then yes, you're right you do need carbs,

      • 2 weeks ago
        Horsecawk

        Overly simplistic reasoning, and lacks the proper amount of nuance to be truly insightful.

        If you're in ketosis, then your body will use ketone bodies, i.e., fat, as the primary source of fuel. If you're in glycolysis, then your body will use glucose from glycogen stores as the primary source of

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >A-AKTUALLY

          Ok shut up nerd.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Horsecawk

            >S-s-someone k-knows more than me so I lash out because I'm d-d-dumb and insecure

            How pathetic do you have to be to be this ignorant?

            You need to get off this site

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I literally was right and I said exactly what you said. You just wanted to be more descriptive because you originally didn't know about ketosis. Now stop being an "A-AKTUALLY" nerd. Like oh my god I literally said what you said?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Horsecawk

                Your original statement was overly simplistic for the reasons I outlined.

                Use my feedback to grow if you want, or just continue throwing a tantrum.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Your original statement was overly simplistic for the reasons I outlined.
                Yes, I'm aware? It's fricking IST. If you want your nerdy little description go to Reddit you nerd. Jesus christ. You're those guys who has to be RIGHT so he can feel good about his life that has no meaning.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >You're those guys who has to be RIGHT so he can feel good about his life that has no meaning.

                It's more important to understand than it is to "be right", but I won't tolerate ignorance anon.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I do understand. Just because I simplified it doesn't mean I don't understand it. You're the one is basically replying to the same thing I said just for the sake of being "right" god damn you fricking nerd man.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Ketogenesis is EMERGENCY POWER. It is the BACKUP BATTERY. You are a fricking IDIOT running your body on the energy system that is supposed to save you from starvation if food is scarce.
      This is based on what exactly? That you use sugar first? If anything it just really shows that the body wants to get rid of it sooner. You can't store sugar long term and not dealing with kills. Try killing yourself with accute fat poisoning.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >You can't store sugar long term and not dealing with kills. Try killing yourself with accute fat poisoning.
        Your body stores sugar as glycogen. You can get plenty of health problems from certain fats like transient ischemic attacks from LDL. At least know what you're talking about when it comes to the basics if you're gonna ask for evidence for more advanced stuff.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >health problems from certain fats like transient ischemic attacks from LDL
          this has been debunked. LDL is beneficial and associated with longevity

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You're 100% wrong about that but i'll humor you and give you the opportunity to show your working out.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >High LDL-C is inversely associated with mortality in most people over 60 years.
              https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27292972/

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >my 1 meta analysis disproves all the evidence of the previous 50 years
                carnitards are such gems

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                its a black swan. and its not alone

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                heres more evidence you can ignore
                >Systematic review identified five randomized controlled trials for inclusion (n=10,808). In meta-analyses, these cholesterol lowering interventions showed no evidence of benefit on mortality from coronary heart disease (1.13, 0.83 to 1.54) or all cause mortality (1.07, 0.90 to 1.27).
                https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27071971/

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                thanks, I will.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                heres more evidence you can ignore
                >Systematic review identified five randomized controlled trials for inclusion (n=10,808). In meta-analyses, these cholesterol lowering interventions showed no evidence of benefit on mortality from coronary heart disease (1.13, 0.83 to 1.54) or all cause mortality (1.07, 0.90 to 1.27).
                https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27071971/

                The main issue with studies like this is that someone who suffers from a cardiac event is rarely likely to have a second because they die from them. So while it sounds nice that you're using "evidence" your jump that increasing your LDL on its own is protective is mind-bogglingly moronic

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                i never said high LDL is always a good thing but low LDL is often a sign of some other issues. there is some evidence LDL has immune function that could be protective

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          LDL is only marker of heart disease and it's not been linked as a health issue from increased dietary cholesterol.
          Dietary cholesterol doesn't affect blood LDL that much and it it usually just increases the amount of large particle LDLs and also HDL which decreases the risk factor.
          Meanwhile sugar intake is associated with an increase of LDL decrease of HDL and more dense LDL particles all of which are associated with an increased risk for cardiovascular disease.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Horsecawk

        A basic understanding of the body's energy systems

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          So if you do have an understanding of it you can explain what makes it a backup system and why using a backup system as a main system is bad in this case.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Horsecawk

            Sure, I will be glad to support your learning with my own. Briefly:

            >what makes it a backup system
            Your body's primary source of energy is glucose, stored in the form of glycogen. This is a carbohydrate, and the mode where you're turning this glycogen into glucose that your body burns is known as 'glycolysis'.

            When insufficient carbohydrates are present in your body to support glycolysis, your body undergoes a change where it switches to `ketosis`, burning what are known as `ketone bodies`, in order to obtain the energy it needs to function. Essentially, this is fat, and ketosis is an adaption in humans that allows them to survive when carbohydrates are scarce. Does it make sense why this is a backup system? Only when glycolysis cannot be sustained, i.e, the main generator is down, will the body switch to ketosis.

            >why using a backup system as a main system is bad in this case.

            Imagine you're in a storm, and the power goes out. Let's say you've got a backup generator that runs on diesel, and you use this to get the lights back on. What happens when you run out of fuel for the backup generator? No more lights.

            Same goes for ketosis. If you're in glycolysis, and for some reason, like maybe an axe murderer is chasing you, or you're squatting balls to the wall, your body has to expend an enormous amount of energy in a short period of time, so much energy that your glycogen stores are depleted by the end, and momentarily cannot supply what your body needs to function, your body will be able to switch to ketosis in order to get the energy it needs. This will cause you to feel sick, but ultimately you'll be fine.

            However, if you're in ketosis to start, there is no power system that the body can switch to if you need to expend an enormous amount of energy. You burn up all those ketone bodies, and you'll go into a state of shock because the body does not have the energy it needs to sustain operation, and cannot obtain it from an emergency supply.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >>what makes it a backup system
              still no answer.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Horsecawk

                Ah, I understand now, you're moronic.

                If you don't see how an energy system that only runs when the main system is depleted, is a backup, then you have the special kind of stupidity that I cannot help.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              All of that bullshit stops making any sense the second beta oxidation enters the chat (primary always-on fat use mechanism turning fatty acids to triglycerides nonstop).

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                beta oxidation doesn't apply to situations where you need to use a sudden burst of energy such as sprinting or weights. It's fine for low energy activities.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                you can use mostly fat even at high intensity

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It kills the keto shill bullshit of "two separate energy modes carbs and fat controlled by switch" very dead.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                it doesnt. you are better at using fat if you are fat adapted even with high intensity exercise

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It completely breaks the keto scam which 100% relies on people believing the lie that fat and carb metabolism are mutually exclusive.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                theyre not and nobody serious says that. its more like adjusting two dimmer switches

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Another lie. Triglycerides on people on low-fat diet goes up as the body taps more into fat stores. Nothing dimmed.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                triglycerides go up because they are converting carbs to fat in the liver

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That too but not solely and not even mostly as triglycerides go up without correlating to eaten carbohydrate amount.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                if theyre losing weight sure

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I think this is probably the biggest meme that keeps low carb diets alive.
                ignoring all the other negative health outcomes, this is the red herring.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >fat adapted

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, humans can become fat adapted such as Inuits.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Inuits have a mutation to prevent ketosis. Shut your stupid lying prostitute mouth already and have a nice day.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                no they dont. the ability to measure ketones at the time was poor and led to that misconception

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                $2 dollars on you never presenting this alleged newer evidence (doesn't exist) kys

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                i never made a claim about "newer evidence" take a deep breath and re read what i wrote

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You pulled a random lie from your butthole. Thanks for admitting. Now kys. Ketogays always lie.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >the ability to measure ketones at the time was poor
                this is true

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's an excuse with no later research to actually validate it. A random lie to desperately cling to a narrative. have a nice day. All you ketogays should just die.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                its a fact. take a chill pill brother

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >let's just invent random excuses to everything and call them facts!
                Sassuga ketard. Pure mental illness. Take a bullet.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                its still a fact. you are coping. urine ketones are not accurate

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                https://psycnet.apa.org/record/1934-00478-001
                >Goodenough scale for measuring intelligence by drawings the average IQ's are 89.56, 93.29, and 91.55.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The frick am i meant to do with this shit?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Eskimos are moronic

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yea? So? Why would i care about that?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                both eskimos and ketolards are fat adapted and moronic

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Inuits have also adapted to not enter ketosis even under extreme circumstances.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous
            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Your body's primary source of energy is glucose,
              Primary in what sense? That it's used first? It just is?

              >Does it make sense why this is a backup system? Only when glycolysis cannot be sustained, i.e, the main generator is down, will the body switch to ketosis.
              I mean it can make sense if you want it to but it's a huge leap to say it's a primary as in preferred system just because of the order things are processed.
              You can also look at how insulin response promotes fat growth is an indicator that it really wants to have fat available instead. If we're talking about main and backup batteries as an analogy wouldn't you want the main battery to be bigger than the last resort backup system. You can barely store any glycogen in the body compared to fat. It's like you're bound to get forced on this worse system all the time.
              Then there's the fact that if we just look at humanities diet we probably ran mostly on ketones for most of our species existence.
              Does that mean humanity always ran on the backup most of the time? And how would that be a bad thing?

              > You burn up all those ketone bodies, and you'll go into a state of shock because the body does not have the energy it needs to sustain operation, and cannot obtain it from an emergency supply.
              Where can I read more about this? You can outpace your ketone production to the point you go into shock? Like coma?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Horsecawk

                >Where can I read more about this? You can outpace your ketone production to the point you go into shock? Like coma?

                It's just conservation of energy. Think of it like a bank account. If you overdraw your bank account in glycolysis, then you can just wire money from ketosis. If you overdraw in ketosis, there's nowhere for money to come from. You don't go into a coma. You go into shock due to lacking the energy to power your body's basic functions, and will die very quickly thereafter unless someone crams some calories in your mouth, and somehow gets you to swallow them.

                >Primary in what sense? That it's used first? It just is?

                Yes, those are the facts, anon, and that's what primary means.

                >I mean it can make sense if you want it to but it's a huge leap to say it's a primary as in preferred system just because of the order things are processed.

                ... do you understand what "primary" means?

                >You can also look at how insulin response promotes fat growth is an indicator that it really wants to have fat available instead. If we're talking about main and backup batteries as an analogy wouldn't you want ...

                Of course, your body desperately wants to maintain reserves of energy in the form of fat, as an investment against times of scarcity. This is why fat loss is so difficult, because your body will absolutely not burn that fat until it is physically required to do so.

                Your second question here is more speculative, but remember that evolution is not an intelligent designer, it is an adaptive process of mutation. It does not say "this is what is best, and that is how things are going to be", but rather, it is the genes and mutations of the fittest individuals, meaning the ones that mate the most successfully, that survive.

                Indeed, you are bound to be forced into ketosis, unless you eat a sufficient number of carboyhydrates on a daily basis, that is 😉

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >u will starve to death on keto
                >u cant just eat more food to survive

              • 2 weeks ago
                Horsecawk

                >Then there's the fact that if we just look at humanities diet we probably ran mostly on ketones for most of our species existence.
                >Does that mean humanity always ran on the backup most of the time? And how would that be a bad thing?

                A bad thing for a persistence hunter whose primary means of prey acquisition is endurance running. And a bad thing for an organism in general who will starve when the prey is thin. Also, don't forget that our ancestors were not always predators, filling our bellies with meat. Our mammalian ancestors from the era of the dinosaurs were prey, and it was a long time before we evolved into the apex predator that we are today. This evolutionary path occurred while fighting against ferocious megafauna, and terrifying predators, for example, the short-faced bear, or sabertooth tiger. We are omnivores, after all.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >This evolutionary path occurred while fighting against ferocious megafauna
                you dont "fight" megafauna. theyre easy to kill if you know how

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >We are carnivores
                ftfy

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If we were carnivores our body wouldn't produce amylase

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                there was no evolutionary pressure to lose it

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Lol we produce more than twice as much as Gorilla's and Chimps because our ancestors adapted to eating starches because they were omnivorous.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Have you learned that humans do not have the elongated cecum to digest fiber efficiently that those species do? "Starchy" foods were cultivated from their fibrous ancestry by humans, but it is far from something we evolved to eat before hunting or other simpler forms of nutrition acquisition.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                1. Efficiency isnt the hallmark of design
                2. The fiber we eat is eaten by the bacteria in our digestive system. The gut microbiome health affects the entire body.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                yeah you want none of that bacteria in your gut.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Lol

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Why even post

                >bro it's healthy to have bacteria in your gut flooding your bloodstream with endotoxin
                https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2365449/

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You didnt even read the post obviously so of course your reply is irrelevant

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >every "argument" gets BTFO
                >doesn't read the link provided
                veggieboys still believe this will somehow bring people to their side!

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Your link as irrelevant, not going to argue with you

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                mechanistic speculation is stupid when you have human data that shows fiber is extremely good for us and is one of the best ways to prevent all cause mortality.

                >https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25552267/
                >A higher dietary fiber intake was associated with a reduced risk of death

                >https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30166965/
                >This review suggests that those consuming the highest amounts of dietary fiber may benefit from a reduction in the incidence of developing colorectal cancer, and there also appears to be a small reduction in the incidence of breast cancer.

                >https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38153313/
                >Taken together, this paper suggests that promoting a high-fiber diet may be an effective strategy for the prevention and management of cancer.

                >https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24355537/
                >Greater dietary fibre intake is associated with a lower risk of both cardiovascular disease and coronary heart disease.

                >https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26711548/
                >Our findings suggest that high dietary fibre intake is associated with a reduced risk of mortality from CVD and all cancers. These results support the current recommendation that high dietary fibre intake should be part of a healthy diet.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                and
                > https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38011755/
                > This comprehensive meta-analysis provides additional evidence supporting the protective association between fiber intake and all-cause and cause-specific mortality rates.

                >https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23326148/
                >Dietary fiber intake can obviously increase stool frequency in patients with constipation. It does not obviously improve stool consistency, treatment success, laxative use and painful defecation.

                https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jcsm.12820
                >Higher intakes of dietary fibre were significantly associated with increased relative total lean mass
                >Conversely, higher dietary fibre intakes were significantly associated with a lower BM

                >https://sci-hub.st/https://doi.org/10.1093/ajcn/25.9.926
                >Data has been produced to support a hypothesis that high consumption of natural starchy carbohydrates, taken with their full complement of fiber, is protective against hyperlipidemia and IHD.

                >https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpubh.2022.892153/full
                > The overall analysis concluded that plant-based diets played a protective role in the risk of digestive system neoplasms. Subgroup analyses demonstrated that the plant-based diets reduced the risk of cancers, especially pancreatic

                >https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23645316/
                >the study provided evidence that a short-term increased intake of whole grains led to compositional alterations of the gut microbiota that coincided with improvements in systemic inflammation

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Dont even bother man. Seriously. People have to be so far gone to believe veggies will kill you

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah. a copy-paste list of self-admitted low quality evidence (not that you'd know since neither of you read these things, merely looking for what you want to find if anything) sure flies against actual RCT data that has proven that fiber causes medical issues. Definitely keep eating your veggies, boy.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >eat fiber
                >chances of dying in a car accident goes down <0.02%
                I LOVE SCIENCE!

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                and
                > https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38011755/
                > This comprehensive meta-analysis provides additional evidence supporting the protective association between fiber intake and all-cause and cause-specific mortality rates.

                >https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23326148/
                >Dietary fiber intake can obviously increase stool frequency in patients with constipation. It does not obviously improve stool consistency, treatment success, laxative use and painful defecation.

                https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jcsm.12820
                >Higher intakes of dietary fibre were significantly associated with increased relative total lean mass
                >Conversely, higher dietary fibre intakes were significantly associated with a lower BM

                >https://sci-hub.st/https://doi.org/10.1093/ajcn/25.9.926
                >Data has been produced to support a hypothesis that high consumption of natural starchy carbohydrates, taken with their full complement of fiber, is protective against hyperlipidemia and IHD.

                >https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpubh.2022.892153/full
                > The overall analysis concluded that plant-based diets played a protective role in the risk of digestive system neoplasms. Subgroup analyses demonstrated that the plant-based diets reduced the risk of cancers, especially pancreatic

                >https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23645316/
                >the study provided evidence that a short-term increased intake of whole grains led to compositional alterations of the gut microbiota that coincided with improvements in systemic inflammation

                How much of this is just a correlation between eating less processed food vs whole foods though.
                Is the fiber itself what makes it healthier or is it stuff like having more veggies instead of processed carbs in your diets that makes fiber good?
                When it comes to gut microbiota is all fiber created equal?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                healthy user bias i think its called. not really something you can control for in observational type studies

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah I'm very skeptical especially with the benefits of stuff like whole grain fiber.
                I don't think there's any studies where people just get forcefed added isolates of that instead of just eating less wonderbread and more stuff like oats to make up for it.
                Reminds me of studies where they claim low carb is bad by comparing low fat diets vs high fat+high carb diets and calling them low carb when it's really just people that eat a lot more pizza and burgers.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                what are you talking about?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30122560/
                I think there was a lot of hype around this study and it was used a lot to discredit keto and similar diets when it didn't even include them.
                Just wasn't very conclusive about anything but didn't stop the interpretation being a certain way.

                I've also been wondering if there's any benefit to splitting macros. Blood sugar has been associated with damaged LDL. Would it make a difference to eat fatty food and carbohydrates far enough apart because of that? It kind of would make fast food even worse in that regard because it's usually a high glycemic index carb like fries or white bread paired with very fatty meat.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >very fatty meat.
                the fat in fast food is from seed oils not "fatty meat" you moron

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I guess it depends on the item

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm not an expert on fast food. The only one I eat sometimes is actually quite fatty.
                I still wonder if there's anyone looking into splitting carbs from fat in meals to see if it makes a difference.

                >https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30122560/
                do they ever compare calorie matched diets? all I saw in the abstract was exclusion of outliers 600 < x < 4200.

                fat slows down the absorption of food if you're worried about spiking something too much.

                I'd have to look it up again but it seems kinda worthless in general when they literally ask people one time what they ate with a vague questionaire and have a followup decades later to begin with.
                It's just extremely low quality data to begin with.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                well why do you think eating carbs and fats is harmful? is there anything in biochem to support your perspective?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8708656/
                Stuff like this.
                There's a lot of correlation with diabetes and what's now considered bad LDL.
                >Insulin resistance-induced dyslipidemia is characterized by the presence of small, dense LDL (sdLDL) particles, [4] which have a more substantial atherogenic potential compared to other LDL subfractions [22]. As insulin resistance becomes more severe, the size of LDL particles decreases
                I'm still not sure about the mechanism for this. Is it related to the issue of lowering blood sugar in diabetics? It wouldn't be a stretch to think the absorbed fat might get affected while your blood sugar is spiked then.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                removing sugar and/or carbs from a diabetic's diet is like removing dairy from a lactose intolerant's diet. does nothing to cure it, just a way to cope with symptoms. perhaps you should be more concerned with what causes insulin resistance.
                these might interest you.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                interesting hypothesis but comparatively little evidence

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                as opposed to which hypothesis with large amounts of evidence?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                is this a bait or do you seriously not know

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                no I'm curious what you're dismissing as a weak hypothesis and what your opposing view is.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                ...removing dairy from a lactose intolerants diet is exactly what you should be doing. Same as removing gluten from a celiac. Are you literally fricking moronic?

                Type 2 diabetes is caused by energy over-repletion. Two things work for it: energy deficit, or just eliminating carbs altogether. The second is more effective, certainly faster in controlling symptoms. There is no other way to cure diabetes.

                Insulin resistance is what the body is SUPPOSED to do when confronted with energy overload. So that the fricking sugar doesn't glycate your tissues to the point you die of infection or cancer. Good God you're moronic

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                are you illiterate?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                the small dense LDL isnt a new thing. been known about since at least the 90s. as for why its probably something to do with excess liver fat
                >Patients with NAFLD had severe insulin resistance, especially at the level of the adipose tissue, when compared with patients without NAFLD. Despite small differences in triglycerides and high-density lipoprotein-cholesterol, patients with NAFLD had a significantly higher plasma apolipoprotein B to apolipoprotein A1 ratio (0.66 ± 0.02 vs 0.58 ± 0.02, P = .01) and smaller LDL particle size (216.2 ± 0.7 vs 219.4 ± 1.1 Å, P = .01).
                https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26672634/

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30122560/
                do they ever compare calorie matched diets? all I saw in the abstract was exclusion of outliers 600 < x < 4200.

                fat slows down the absorption of food if you're worried about spiking something too much.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Why even post

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Do you not know what a caecum is?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Its like you didnt even read the post

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Reminder that this is the typical plantbrained reply to being BTFO. It's hoping that the reader is stupid enough to ignore the evidence against its argument

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Get well soon!

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You haven't actually provided any evidence for anything through. He was talking about beenfiicsl bacteria and you pivoted to endotoxins.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If you knew what a caecum was, you would also know that we don’t have one.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If you read the post youd know that it was irrelevant

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Of course I read your post, dipshit. Your point 2 is simply wrong. We do not have the gut microbiome required to ferment plant cellulose (fiber) BECAUSE WE HAVE NO CAECUM.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                And what was point 1?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                A platitude

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Concession accepted have a good day

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                This is bullshit, african hunter gatherers still eat baobab fruits which are uncultivated

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's not how evolution works. Carnivores can't taste sugar.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Not saying that ketosis ISN'T a backup power system, the only question mark I have for you is that in theory, the "fuel" for this "backup generator" is bodyfat. The only situation in which you'd actually be at risk of "lights out" is if you were severely underweight, at which point your body doesn't have any more energy stores and this is indeed dangerous. How is it dangerous for a guy with 100 lbs of extra bodyfat on him to rely on said bodyfat to fuel himself?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Horsecawk

                You're making some wrong assumptions here.

                Your body cannot make energy instantaneously, hence why it wants a backup system that it can switch to if the main system fails for some reason.

                Even if you've extra bodyfat, it doesn't matter if you place an extremely high demand on your body for energy in a period of time that is too short for it to supply.

                The analogy would be that you have a fat amount of investments, but there's a loan shark in your face for $25k RIGHT NOW, and he wants it from your checking.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It is faster for your body to metabolize fat reserves than to take in a new calorie source from eating.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I over eat sugar and ... nothing happens.
        I over eat fat and ... I need to rapidly find a toilet to make a liquid shit, and then store the rest as body fat.
        whoah.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >I over eat fat and ... I need to rapidly find a toilet to make a liquid shit, and then store the rest as body fat.
          whoah.
          If you get diarrhea from fat you should be able to digest even less of it.
          If you don't gain body fat from sugar... then you might not be human.
          Is it all fats?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            why do you think people get nauseous when they consume large amounts of fat at once?
            and no, your body doesn't like converting glucose to fat for storage. it will increase metabolism before it does that.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Bile is used to emulsify fat gor digestion. Bile is secreted by the liver to be stored in the gallbladder for this specific purpose. If your body has its gallbladder removed, a pseudogallbladder will eventually form within the bile duct area. The body doesn't require carbohydrates to be consumed to function and a perfectly functioning liver is more than capable of creating all of the glucose you'll need from the food you eat.
              The same cannot be said for exogenous fat. You will get gallstones and severe deficiencies if you cut out dietary fats that are essential.
              I don't really need to go any further. The scientific evidence is clear that protein and fat are the only macros that humans need.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                did you mean to respond to somebody else?

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >why do you think people get nauseous when they consume large amounts of fat at once?
              Maybe it's because they eat KFC?
              I never get nauseous from fat and I've eaten mountains of cheese before.
              Can't even think of a way to get that much fat down fast without drinking oil from a bottle.
              >it will increase metabolism before it does that.
              Which is shown how? Any fact to back that up?

              how come keto, carnivore, and fasting all go together? does their diet really make them feel so shitty that they feel better when not feeding themselves?

              >how come keto, carnivore, and fasting all go together?
              Carnivore puts you into ketosis.
              Fasting puts you into ketosis.
              When you're doing any of them it's easier to go without food because you're less hungry.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I've eaten mountains of cheese before.
                On a scale from 1 to 10 how hard was it for you to take a shit?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I can't remember any irregularities. I just used to get constipation from bread and cramps from tap water.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >you're less hungry
                Yet "keto binge" yields infinite horror stories of people doing keto going on uncontrollable binge episodes.
                Tell me how is that less hungry.
                You really have to have a nice day.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                All I know is how it's affected me in that regard and I used to binge a ton on all kinds of junk food before but had absolutely no issue not binging for half a year when I first tried it myself.
                Food binges for other diets aren't special either. Otherwise the whole of the western world wouldn't be obese.
                I'm more interested how it worked out for yourself if you've tried it before. Did you experience uncontrollable binges yourself?

                No need to kill myself if I'll die eventually anyway. If you want to accelerate it you have to do it yourself.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I will post exactly 2.
                https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0022316623130215
                https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7598063/

                and why am I not surprised the keto advocate has problems with binge eating.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >posting papers by a known sugar industry shill
                why am i not surprised

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                https://www.forbes.com/sites/nancyhuehnergarth/2015/11/24/emails-reveal-how-coca-cola-shaped-the-anti-obesity-global-energy-balance-network/
                >obtained by the Associated Press (AP).

                The GEBN describes itself as a “voluntary public-private, not-for-profit organization dedicated to identifying and implementing innovative solutions – based on the science of energy balance – to prevent and reduce diseases associated with inactivity, poor nutrition and obesity.” Critics have called it a soda-industry front group that funds scientists to shift the blame for obesity away from diet and onto lack of exercise.

                In August, James Hill, the GEBN president and a professor at the University of Colorado School of Medicine had denied that Coca-Cola’s $1.5 million donation to the group, had influenced its research, strategy or other activities, stating in the New York Times, “They’re not running the show. We’re running the show.” The University of Colorado announced it was returning “a $1 million gift from Coca-Cola” in November after being harshly criticized.
                literally the president of a soda front group. real good "science" you got there

                >no argument
                concession accepted.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The full pdf is 27 pages.
                Why not copy paste it here.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                your post is not relevant to the one you responded to.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It is. He's saying it's conceding to not formulate a proper argument at studies you have to spend at least 27 reading if you don't just accept the conclusion of the abstract.
                He should post it in the thread if he thinks it's not tldr

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >two groups ate more calories
                >one given extra calories as sugar
                >they had increased metabolism and stored less fat
                >one given extra calories as fat
                >they had lower metabolism and stored more fat
                whoah better call snopes to debunk this one! qiuck go on a schizo rant about something completely unrelated!
                don't even bother responding to me you gorilla Black person.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                https://www.forbes.com/sites/nancyhuehnergarth/2015/11/24/emails-reveal-how-coca-cola-shaped-the-anti-obesity-global-energy-balance-network/
                >obtained by the Associated Press (AP).

                The GEBN describes itself as a “voluntary public-private, not-for-profit organization dedicated to identifying and implementing innovative solutions – based on the science of energy balance – to prevent and reduce diseases associated with inactivity, poor nutrition and obesity.” Critics have called it a soda-industry front group that funds scientists to shift the blame for obesity away from diet and onto lack of exercise.

                In August, James Hill, the GEBN president and a professor at the University of Colorado School of Medicine had denied that Coca-Cola’s $1.5 million donation to the group, had influenced its research, strategy or other activities, stating in the New York Times, “They’re not running the show. We’re running the show.” The University of Colorado announced it was returning “a $1 million gift from Coca-Cola” in November after being harshly criticized.
                literally the president of a soda front group. real good "science" you got there

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Bold of you to assume that Keto isn't default considering that most of what our ancestors ate were tubers and meat. It's true that we ate more tubers than meat, however, it's also true that food was not plentiful. You ate what you could find. Food was not a guarantee and the stuff you were eating did not spike your blood sugar.

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Reminder: the whole "your body will burn fat stores if you don't eat carbs" thing is *literally* an unfounded/discredited claim that has never once been validated by any scientific study, ever.

    What countless studies HAVE validated is the energy balance model, which is that a calorie deficit is a calorie deficit. Aside from the muscle-sparing effects of protein, it does't matter whether your deficit comes from fat or from carbs; your body will burn its fat stores at the same rate.

    If you want to only eat meat, go for it, but don't claim it's superior to a simple calorie deficit.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      post body. If u are ripped then I will believe you

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It is superior, however, because you're never hungry since your body is getting every nutrient it needs.
      You'll lose weight without wanting to punch a wall, and being healthier in the process, as opposed to a normalgay approach to cico where you are always hungry and malnourished.
      Is CICO right? Yes. But some approaches will be better.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Reminder: the whole "your body will burn fat stores if you don't eat carbs" thing is *literally* an unfounded/discredited claim
      What is ketosis moron?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Secondary mechanism of fat burning. Ketards think it's the only one. Beta oxidation is the primary and doesn't require some weird diet nor does it produce ketones.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Reminder: the whole "your body will burn fat stores if you don't eat carbs" thing is *literally* an unfounded/discredited claim that has never once been validated by any scientific study, ever.
      MUH LE HECKIN BASEDENCERINO BASED STUDIES

      at this point in time you're just moronic if you keep parroting the BASEDENCE studies meme

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What the frick are you talking about? Le science is all carnigays try and preach about their incredibly moronic lifestyle

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          yes, that's the real science
          CICO is basedence

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I think it's funny how you can tell who the skinnygays are

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >that's been popular on Tiktok
    Man you're really stupid.

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    most days i eat nothing but meat fish or eggs. feels good and got rid of my eczema. seasonal allergies are almost entirely gone. pretty good

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I eat a Paul Saladino style animal-based diet (mostly beef and organ meats, with some fruit, raw dairy, and raw honey). Been eating this way for about 2.5 years, and I feel incredible. Never going back.

    I've tried reintroducing grains a few times over the years, and they added no value to my life. They only made me sleepy, and they didn't even taste good enough to warrant doing it for pure taste pleasure (which is a moronic reason to select foods, anyway).

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Enjoy your scruvy

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Vegangays are really pissing me off right now. On god.

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >a debate over diet ITT referring to DYEL doctors
    It only matters what IST people say. And they say that 40 duck eggs a day is the secret to a massive physique.

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    how come keto, carnivore, and fasting all go together? does their diet really make them feel so shitty that they feel better when not feeding themselves?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Cuz they think calories don't matter, then they can't lose weight eating butter in covfefe and somehow manage to rationalize fasting is not calorie restriction. So they do that to try lose weight while eating diet 80% fat

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      you just don't get as hungry. There's no supply of carbs to keep burning, so you just feel the need to eat less often. I naturally went to about 1 meal a day, just eating when I got hungry.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        it suppresses your metabolism so much that you don't feel hunger? huh.

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    add potatoes and it's the perfect diet

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What value would potatoes add? They have no micronutrient value, it's just empty calories.

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    ꜱoyboy

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Plants have 0 (zero) nutritional value for humans
    They're all at best literally just sugar (all carbs are sugar)

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This. So much this. Just take a multivitamin. And you finna be good.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >don't eat spinach to get vitamins from real food goy, just pop a pill

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Just eat a balanced diet with sufficient protein u gay

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >balanced
      Meaningless buzzword you heard from your grade school teacher. You can't even define it.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        NTA but the definition is basically eat a little bit of everything (emphasis on the "a little bit").

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      A cicoCuck's balanced diet:

      >300g of rice (carbs)
      >100g of tofu ("proteins")
      >cooked in sóybean oil (trans-fats)
      >spiced with 100g of aspartame (because it's zero calorie sugar and you can put sugar on everything to make it yummy)
      >a bag of bug-protein oreos and a bean-based protein shake with sóy milk to make sure he gets enough proooooteinnn
      >2 litres of coke zero

      Its only 1650 kcal!
      And I've already lost 3kg in 6 months!
      What now fatties?

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't get it. Why is there so much hate for keto diet? Everyone keeps crying how restrictive it is, but it's not that restrictive if you think about it? I eat meat: chicken,beef,turkey,fish etc. I eat eggs.
    I can eat all kinds of salads and vegetables, i can eat soups that can easily be under 20g carbs. I eat strawberries,blueberries, i can drink coconut milk, i can even make shakes with coconut milk and strawberries/dark chocolate etc. You basically can eat meat/fruits/vegetables, but you just put a limit on the amount of carbs consumed. What's so bad about this that makes everyone seethe? It makes a lot of sense as a diet.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Why is there so much hate for keto diet?
      There isn't, a majority of the posts seething about the keto diet you see on this board are from Moxyte. He creates on average a thread every day. Sometimes a lot more.

      No one except moxyte the ketoschizo cares if you eat pasta or not. Why would we.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Why is there so much hate for keto diet?
      Did you not read the thread? No one hates the diet itself, stupid fad diets are always coming and going and this is just the most recent one. What people hate is the absolute drooling morons who spend a couple hours reading keto blogs and then start lecturing everyone about how fruit is poison.

      People hate you because you're autistic and have no concept of nuance and have taken a reasonable, accurate position like
      >grains are bad for you
      and twisted it into
      >all carbs are bad for you

      It's even worse when you realize that the vast majority of people shilling keto aren't healthy, educated people but fatties desperately clinging to the most recent fad. It's very rare to see someone shilling keto who doesn't immediately start talking about "weight loss", a complete non-issue for normal, healthy people. And then you have to see these fat morons defend it irrationally, religiously, because to them it's not just some diet, but the way that they're finally going to Lose The Weight once and for all.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      nutritionally deficient and physically damaging way to enable CICO.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >CICO
        frick off with your meme diet
        "HURRR I'M EATING TWINKIES AND CHEERIOS ALL DAY, BUT ITS CALORIES LOL WHO CARES"
        Fricking morons
        The CICO diet is one of the biggest pieces of shit since Atkins

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          keto enables weight loss by enabling CICO. don't respond to me again.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          LMAO such seethe over scientifically and anecdotally proven fact. Post body fatty

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Wait, you live off of cheerios and twinkies?
            You're a pig. A disgusting slobbish pig.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >understanding laws of thermodynamics means you eat twinkies and cheerios

              absolutely never began for fatties but go ahead and eat your fotm fad diet and enjoy your premature ack

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        But i dont want to do keto for losing weight, I do it cause its anti inflammatory diet.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          An diet that removes junk is anti inflammatory. Keto isnt special.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          there's plenty of diets that are anti-inflammatory. you don't need to be a ketard to stop eating plastic.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            An diet that removes junk is anti inflammatory. Keto isnt special.

            I tried 6 months with no goyslop vegetable oils or processed food/sugar. It didn't help my acne and i now start to have random pain in joints. Carbs maybe are bad for my body.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              That's fine Dow aht you want I'm just telling you keto isnt exclusively anti inflammatory

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              that doesn't describe anything. I doubt you even know what goyslop is, or what a healthy food is, if you think carbs are bad. and you definitely don't know how to cook.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Keto doesn't work and everything the ketolards say is a lie.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        it "works" by enabling cico to happen

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    ketotards on suicide watch

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >keto67.png
      Moxyte you have an obsessive disorder.
      Your life is already over, stalker. Enjoy prison.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I can't wait to sit down and eat 22 cups of watermelon and half a kilogram of bok choy

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What the brain dead roid monkeys on IST don't understand is the concept of food quality. Factory farmed chicken that is over medicated and Omega 6 dominant will never be health for you, Frakneinstein farmed salmon that swim in their own filth, fed waste and are dyed a brighter color before being sold will never be good for you and neither will your grain and vegslop sprayed with pick related. You need to break out of the Pavlovian macrotroon mindset.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Sorry bro but that would imply that things are more complicated and nuanced than I thought until now and I don't want to have to deal with that. I will therefore reject your arguments and act as if quality in ingredients only impact the taste.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      you have no clue what you're talking about if you think the tier of the food is more influential than the type of food you've selected.

  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >meat is evil! Do NOFAP today!

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      how can I achieve the musculature of a 10 year old girl natty?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That's insane

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        his testosterone levels are still high enough to get a boner from her though

  24. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Carnivore does work for weightloss, it's just not particularly great for you if you're trying to cultivate mass. Since there's no carbs to store and you're using 100% of the energy (or close to it) consumed from meat, you will lean out very quickly and it'll be pretty much impossible to cultivate weight - just keep an eye on your waistline because it'll hit you out of nowhere. It's serious shit.

  25. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Reminder that 0 people who tell you veggies are bad and humans are carnivores have ever posted body

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I don't take anyone who says veggies serious

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I dont really care

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I really do care

  26. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Enjoy your gout and scurvy OP

  27. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    you know if you go to the gym you can pretty much eat anything you want without gaining weight right?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      post body

  28. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    why can't you people just eat normally

    holy fricking shit

  29. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >eats like shit
    >eats like shit in a different way
    >will this fix me anons

    just eat a normal fricking balanced diet man. there are no hacks to not being a moron.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Just eat le NORMAL diet u tard omg!
      >No I won't elaborate what exactly constitutes as normal haha
      Tards like you should be gunned down in the street.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        one including carbs, protein, fat, and fiber

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          go vax yourself

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Thanks anon. I will only eat mcdonalds now. Will eat fries with burgers for my carbs,protein and fat. And will eat 2-3 berry bran muffins for my fiber. Hope this diet will work for me since i get everything i need.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >YOU CAN ONLY EAT FAST FOOD GOYSLOP OR MY RAW MEAT FAD DIET NOTHING IN BETWEEN!!!

            you can't make this shit up, fat moron deathsquads when

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Was making fun of how dumb it is to reply that a good diet consists of "carbs,protein,fat,fiber"without including examples of food.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Context is important. Think about where you are

  30. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    try lifting fricking moron and just eat food

  31. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I know no one who does carnivore long term. It seems they always either stop after too many negative health effects or just die

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I know no one who does carnivore long term
      Because no one does. Its a fad.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Checked.
      True carnivore would require you to eat all parts of the animal including heart, tail, tongue and face. That way you won't be deficient in anything.
      But that's kind not very practical and not super tasty either. So people quit carnivore and go low-carb. ... Which is still 80% carnivore.

      >I know no one who does carnivore long term
      Because no one does. Its a fad.

      Is fasting also a "fad" because no one fasts all their life?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Is fasting also a "fad" because no one fasts all their life?
        Please read more carefully next time. Learn to not be immediately combative.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Dickhead, it's an anonymous forum. Learn to express yourself better, you dumb zoomer.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Was perfectly clear. You just want to argue. Get well soon.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              have a nice day

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Feel better

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Which is still 80% carnivore.
        >1 is 50%of 0

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >True carnivore would require you to eat all parts of the animal
        all the carnivores that do this and advocate this are unsuccessful. all the carnivores that just advocate eating meat and drinking water are successful.
        your theory is inaccurate.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Define successful

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            not quitting the diet due to health complications.

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