Chronic Fatigue Syndrome/ME

Genuinely, is this a real disease?
>no known cause
>no physically traceable, diagnosable sign
>diagnosed exclusively based on feelings
>incurable

My mom claims to have this and I feel like a terrible son for being skeptical about it, but I'm at a loss on how to help her anymore.

Everything is too much, it's gotten to the point where her house is permanently a mess and basic chores "put her in a coma" for a day. She is rotting away and it's killing me.

Every time we talk about it I suggest that even if the disease is incurable, diet changes, sleep, good hydration and (maybe) exercise could go a long way to improve the situation but she ignores me and says she's not got enough energy to make any lifestyle changes.

How the frick do I help her? I can't suggest anything else to help, I'm always available as a shoulder to cry on for her but that's all she does, she never takes action.

I love her to death but I am losing my mind hearing the same reasons for why everything sucks. I have to carry her financially because she can't work but it leaves me stuck (my dad died so it's just me and her).

Has anybody been successful in bettering a situation like this? I don't know what to do anymore.

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It’s called being a lazy nog and back in the day the cure for it was lashings

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Alas, people started taking this as a serious disease in the 1970’s after the civil and women’s rights movement. Now they won’t let you use rhe old antebellum cures

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >tfw can't break the buck anymore

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    incel high school drop out here (currently NEET).
    She's pretending, all these woman diseases are fake. Only men's diseases are real.
    Deny the science, science is made to make us not get gfs + white genocide

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Active mitigation (even just baby steps) is the only way to deal with chronic disease but if she wants to stay and wallow in the mud that's her choice. The best you can do to force this is start doing the grocery shopping and cooking so she can't eat/drink shit. It will also help you call her bluff if she goes out to get junk herself.

      PCOS is real.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      true nuke

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Genuinely, is this a real disease?
    Yes. It's a nervous system disorder brought on by too much bad (non-athletic/intellectual) activation of the sympathetic nervous system. Your brain stops you from doing anything even though you're physically healthy because it senses danger everywhere.

    Much like when unwinding pain triggers you need to stop the bad sympathetic nervous system triggers until your brain calms down. Telling people that the problem is in their head causes a colossal nervous system response and paradoxically shuts them down even further so you must treat people like this with extreme care.

    >Every time we talk about it I suggest that even if the disease is incurable, diet changes, sleep, good hydration and (maybe) exercise could go a long way to improve the situation but she ignores me and says she's not got enough energy to make any lifestyle changes.
    Yeah. Unfortunately this is typical. In my opinion it helps to focus the blame in the physical realm for the client. It is a white lie but I tell people it's a mitochondrial disorder and that slowly building resilience through z2 cardio is the key to recovery. Start with walking and breathing exercises. Client may need to get a walker to be able to walk any significant distance at first.

    The power of walking and eventually z2 cardio brings about significant improvement in damn near everyone. In the cases it doesn't the client is usually severely depressed or suffering from PTSD as well and psychiatric care is necessary.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Thanks for a serious answer, I'll try to get her doing some light movement. I just hope she'll listen.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >It's a nervous system disorder brought on by too much bad (non-athletic/intellectual) activation of the sympathetic nervous system. Your brain stops you from doing anything even though you're physically healthy because it senses danger everywhere.
      not OP, but how do i fix this for myself?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        learn to activate your parasympathetic nervous system

        heart rate variability breathing helps a lot, I suppose everyone's different, but when I'm successfully activating my parasympathetic system, I start salivating uncontrollably, which is the rest and digest response.

        30 mins to an hour of this every day, probably before bed

        I was also looking into yoga nidra to gain rest without sleeping.

        tai chi may also be something that is useful, really anything that attempts to distract you and your thoughts and slows you down will be good.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I walk 30 minutes on an incline treadmill yet I still feel this.
      I do meditation too and wim hof too.
      It's genuinely a shitty feeling

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    she has a vitamin deficiency, probably iron and vitamin D, but also the B vitamins as well

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Try laying on the ground for hours at a time, or living/working on a porch for several hours if it's grounded (doesn't have any rubber or wood shit etc that blocks negative ions. Or a grounding mat to sleep on if you want to be a paypig.

    That and meditate for one full hour in complete darkness before bed. Report back at the end of the summer. It's either this or go your whole life knowing you wasted it on made up illnesses.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    She needs to eat more protein and less simple carbs. That’s what cured me

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Has she been checked for tick borne diseases like Lyme disease? Those can cause similar symptoms that can mimic other conditions. Otherwise look into the use of thiamine, particularly a derivative called TTFD/fursultiamine, it can be beneficial for people with chronic conditions like chronic fatigue/ME.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      lyme disease is another fake disease.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        t. Deer tick

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >t. moronic roast simp

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Does she eat grassfed butter or is she a margarine eater?

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's a real thing, yes. The key symptom is post-exertional malaise, where doing some work triggers genuinely disabling, entirely disproportionte fatigue that lasts for days to weeks.

    There's actually a biomarker that can be teased out with a two-day cardiac exercise test, where sufferers have massively impaired performance on the second day due to PEM. But if someone's not done a 2DCET and claims to have CFT then you should treat them as a lazy bullshitter, since a large portion of 'sufferers' are just looking for an excuse not to do any exercise and have latched on to a disease where you can get diagnosed on the basis of self-reported symptoms.

    If your mother really does have CFS, there's not much to be done. PEM is a real b***h: she'd function better with more fitness and be able to do more before PEM disables her, but building up any fitness will almost certainly trigger disabling PEM. The only advice seems to be to know her limits and try to avoid working hard enough to trigger PEM so that she's not laid up for days/weeks afterwards.

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >and I feel like a terrible son
    Yeah, and that's the whole payoff for this made-up shit. She'll have you jumping through hoops, dancing on puppet strings with this guilt for as long as she can. Just don't let that be too long.

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Any illness that has a “spectrum” or is an “invisible disability” is 90% meme. Usually there are a small number of genuine cases (often with an underlying cause or contributing factor)

    >but muh fibromyalgia
    Deconditioning from years of sedentary lifestyle. Spend all your life moving between bed, couch and desk chair and of course you’ll be in pain all the time, bodies are made to be in near constant motion
    >but muh CFS
    This is depression in most cases
    >but muh PCOS
    Affecting almost exclusively fat women. Need I say more.
    >but muh POTs
    Deconditioning
    >but muh Elhers Danlos
    Deconditioning
    >but muh ADHD
    Product of single mother households, children not being taught executive function by fathers/ male role models
    >but muh autism
    99% all cases in women is nonsense. Women who have gone through the first 35 years of life with zero problems suddenly have “late diagnosis” autism or ADHD once they have advanced far enough up the career ladder that actual outputs are expected of them. Many genuine male cases as evidenced by this website, but many also using it as a shield against living life.

    >verification not required

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah it is real. Right now we just have to grin and bear it. I finally got my primary to give me adderall but even it isn’t able to keep me awake and energized. My guess would be too many years stressed the frick out my brain just wants to lie down and die but my body won’t let it. I hope that doesn’t mean I have the Alzheimer’s to look forward to. Some bodies refuse to give up and lock whatever remaining subconscious awareness in hell for decades.

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I was diagnosed with it. Of course I know its so vague it just mean they dont know shit. But whatever it is it feels real enough and it sucks.

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    My gut reaction is that this is either a psychosomatic disorder caused by the media their consooming(see tiktok turrets), or the result of a dopamine floor that's too low due to constant media stimulation.
    If I were the care taker of a person like this, I would take their devices and hide them around the house.
    chances are they'll suddenly develop a strong drive to retrieve their sources of stimulation.
    Preferably, I would hide them really well, just before I "go out"

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Mine ended up being food intolerances, specifically eggs and milk. I know gluten is another big one. Its sound like bullshit but its physical symptoms that present themselves psychologically, and physiologically. I got a sleep study done, I can literally sleep within 4 minutes of closing my eyes at any time of day. If the fatigue is inconsistent AT ALL, like good days vs bad days, good mornings and bad evenings, its almost certainly diet related.
    Thats after the obvious factors are ruled out, sleep hygiene, exercise, wholesome diet.

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There are many things that can cause a person to feel chronically tired.
    >low sunlight during winter
    >low semen (chronic ejaculation)
    >PUFA's n goyslop
    >low calories
    >bad sleep
    >moronation

    So yeah its sort of real.

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    GET SUNLIGHT, GROUND YOUR FEET IN DIRT, GO INTO NATURE

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I had something like this for a while, it sucked. It wasn't exactly being tired, but having constant dull headaches and feeling mild flu-like symptoms. It wasn't terribly unpleasant but it basically felt like my body saying "you're sick, don't try to do anything" and the headaches made me cranky all the time. The symptoms weren't that bad in the moment but it proved to me how much even mild but persistent discomfort could ruin your life. I literally could not do anything enjoyable in that state. A simple headache can suck all joy and energy out of life.
    I think it was gut biome related because I had gastro issues and after getting a gastroscopy (which requires you to empty out all your guts) the symptoms completely disappeared for like a week afterwards. In the end I fixed it by radically overhauling my diet, removing most foods that bothered me (this required me to be anal and cook everything) followed by eating a bunch of kefir and then reintroducing foods. Also did some other things like being anal about sleep hygiene and megadosing vitamin d. Whatever it was it worked and I feel great now, thank frick that shit is gone.

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Treatments for your mother
    Supplement thiamine vitamin b1 HCL 200mg daily for several weeks.
    Supplement copper to increase Iron levels. Also eat more red meat and organ meats for the iron. Do not supplement iron. Look into organ pill capsules to raise iron, like liver, spleen or blood specifically.
    Very important. Parasites. Buy some Vermox from the pharmacy to kill them off.
    Get sunlight and grounding in when possible.
    Replace tap water if applicable

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ivermectin will fix it.

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