Cico is probably the most retarded oversimplification in fitness

Cico is probably the most moronic oversimplification in fitness

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Please explain then why the human body is the one system in the universe that doesn't obey the first law of thermodynamics

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >t knows nothing about physics but loves spouting out the thermodynamics phrase as if they have any idea how it works

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I agree but it's not like it doesn't work

        Hormones
        Which surprisingly are absent from a combustion engine
        Crazy how things that take fuel can be different from one another

        morons think CICO means ignore macros. Y'all are actually stupid.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          CICO doesn't have macros in its abbreviation dumbass

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          how do macroes affect weight? does conversion efficiency change with macro proportions?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Relatively yes
            CICO is true no matter what however it’s optimized for fat people who need to lose weight really quickly because they have so much excess fat in comparison to little muscle tissue
            Once that ratio of fat to muscle becomes closer the macro requirements change because your body realize it’s fat storages are no longer plentiful so it switches to muscle tissue and you need to feed them to prevent excess breakdown
            Anti CICO arguments are all strawmen and don’t explain how if you take 100 people and put them at a caloric deficit why they all will lose weight 100% if they stick to it

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          the only macro you need to track is protein. simple as

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Truth

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        You playing mind-reader and resorting to an adhom instead of dealing with the argument directly. He wins. You lose.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Energy cannot be created or destroyed...you fricking moron. I didn't have to look it up but...did you forget the internet exists or something? Some people use it as efficiently as they can by referencing multiple sources, and not just on page 1-3 of fricking google. There are entire curriculums online for free, and even entire college classes on youtube. kys

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          You need be over 18 to post here

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Ei = Ef

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Go back reddit homosexual

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Hormones
      Which surprisingly are absent from a combustion engine
      Crazy how things that take fuel can be different from one another

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Biochemistry is based on chemistry, which means any biochemical process would still follow laws of chemistry/physics.

        Hormones doesn't stop the conservation of mass/energy. They literally just signal for the body to stop/start certain
        biochemical functions.

        Literally what are you talking about.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          youre a fricking subhuman moron painful homosexual with no reading comprehension or the capacity to have thoughts of your own

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          They do stop you from being active and full of energy. You body can control the amount of energy ut can spend. Your body can use muscles and many other tissues as fuel.
          On top of that's there is a microbiome, that acts differently depending on the food you consume, the amount of d3 yiu produce/supplement. Twins can have drastically different outcome of body weight depending on their microbiome. And having microbiome transplanted from a fatty to a skinny twin, will make him also fatty.
          And at the end of the day, you feel insanely hungry, if you are deficinet in any specific micronutrients like magnesium.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          P.s.: nicrobes in your gut also consume lots of energy and convert lots of stuff into vitamins. You will get only short chain fatty acids from all the fructoze and fuber you consume that have significantly less calories than initial carbs and fiber. They are also anti inflammatory, while inflamation lead to fat storage.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          dumb frick

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      IT JUST DOESN'T OKAY

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It follows it, that's not the issue. Saying "just eat less" it's like saying "just quit smoking" to an addict. Get it now?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        "People" being incapable of following simple instructions is a different issue.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Saying "just eat less" it's like saying "just quit smoking" to an addict
        Good advice?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >just tell alcoholics to drink less
          frickin hell disband alcoholics anonymous ive solved the cased

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            yeah
            if they don't succeed that's their own failure, doesn't make the advice not sound

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            It follows it, that's not the issue. Saying "just eat less" it's like saying "just quit smoking" to an addict. Get it now?

            Black person what makes you think people who are disgusted by coping fatties are going to suddenly sympathize with junkies lol

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      There is no point in reasoning with lunatics. They delude themselves to shield them from responsibility and consequence. Every single cico-denier argument is a lightning rod for not having to disprove the first law of thermodynamics.

      >it's psychological
      >it's cultural
      >it's social
      >it's genetics

      Sure, those can be reasons for a person self-sabotage and overeat. All distractions from the fundamental premise that any organism must consume more calories than it expends in order to increase in mass.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Only if you can explain why macros don't matter.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Because its impossible to know the exact calories in and exact calories out, and most of dieting is dealing with hunger which has very little to do with calories for fatties, whom eat thousands of excess calories yet still feel hunger.
      You may go back to plebbit now. Be sure to warn all of your homosexual friends there that I called you a Black person and this place is scary and racist.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        You don’t need to know the exact number of calories as long as you establish a baseline and use consistent measuring methods for exercise and food consumption.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          no shit moron, and that would mean CICO is a moronic oversimplification just as OP said.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Because its impossible to know the exact calories in and exact calories out,
        You don't need to be autistically exact, you just need to be close, and be able to adjust.
        >am I losing weight?
        >yes, continue as id
        >no, eat less

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Just because you can’t measure it easily doesn’t invalidate thermodynamics.

        Practical weight loss can be much more complex.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >Practical weight loss can be much more complex.
          Then stop going >muh thermodynamics every time someone asks for advice on weight loss.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It does.
      It's also a human body which relies of hormones for communication.
      The human body does different things with different nutrients.
      Sugar goes straight to the lipid cells which then grow too big and then start damaging you from the inside.
      CICO is only a third of the story of fitness and nutrition.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Sugar goes straight to the lipid cells
        Try again fattie.
        Sugar gets converted to GLYCOGEN, and your body can store multiple pounds of this stuff before sugar gets converted to fat.
        When sugar and fat are eaten together in a caloric excess, the sugar is stored as glycogen and the fat is stored as fat.
        Hence the saying: "fat makes you fat".
        and "carbs make you gain glycogen and water weight".

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          impressive. very nice. now let's see animal fats vs pufas and see what the real correlation is.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            his brain short circuited

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      The absolute cope of these replies, seethe harder you coping homosexuals, if you fatties had half an ounce of control you would be in shape from cico

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It's gonna blow your mind the day you learn that cars use more or less fuel to travel the same distance based on a bunch of other factors.

      >UUUHHH SWEETIE HOW CAN MILEAGE VARY WHEN THERMODYNAMICS ARE A THING?????

      Fricking midwit.

      • 1 year ago
        Hiroshimoot

        Cars are also subject to cico. A varied part of the co goes to displacing air, generating heat through friction, and so on

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          true and on top of this cars don't diet, they don't have urges and hormones, and they can't cannibalize the materials in their tires to make oil for their pistons. CICO gays are just fatties that want to mathematically justify their Twinkie obsession and soda addiction.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Works on my machine lol
            Post body

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >stage 3 cope, stealing homosexual photos from /cbt/ to justify a twinkie diet
              lol

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >implying humans (by extent, bodies) are linear systems
      cico works, as long as your hormones are in normal parameters

    • 1 year ago
      Hiroshimoot

      Body mass is governed by cico, but body composition is affected by food quality and genetics.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      kek all these seething replies to what is essentially basic fitness knowledge.
      Nufit/zoomers are so fricked

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      it obeys them, but the body can modulate its energy expenditure.

      depending on the macros youre giving it, it could choose to raise or lower metabolism, to use fat storage or to add to it. CICO doesnt show the full picture because metabolism is adaptive.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      That law applies to a closed system, which the body is not. You have no idea what calories your body is actually digesting, you have no idea how the energy is being expended, you have no idea how efficiently the body is able to use energy, it's all pure guesswork. Midwits LOVE cico because it is reduces an extremely complex subject into a simple equation even a child can understand. Too bad it's bullshit. Hormones are far more impactful on body composition than CICO and anyone who has done roids can attest to this. Brb getting shredded eating whatever I want. Brb getting fatter off cycle no matter how I diet. Hormones are everything and by extension food quality is more important than tracking 3 macronutrients.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Hormones are far more impactful on body composition than CICO and anyone who has done roids can attest to this.
        Your copy pasta is sneakily changing the goalposts. Noone is saying that hormones aren't important for body composition, but roids or no roids, you need to eat enough of the right foods to grow your muscles.
        You can blast literal grams of gear and if you're only eating 1500kcal daily, you might improve your COMPOSITION ie your ratio of lean mass to fat, but you're not going to gain weight, you're just going to be a shredded skinny dude.
        Likewise you can blast insane, horse-killing amounts of steroids, and if your diet a 5000kcal dirty bulk, you are going to grow your muscle AND your fat.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        None of that applies to CICO. You're actually crying about TDEE calculators, which are of course just an estimate to start at.

        Fricking moron lmao.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      latinas get fat after 25 because their metabolisms become more efficient, especially after having kids, so they have to train themselves to eat less than what they did at age 19 or they'll get fat.

      100 calories in isn't 100 calories out for everyone due to the varying efficiencies of our metabolisms. But this isn't an excuse to be a fatass, it's just something people need to be aware of, as well as how their body absorbs carbs, fats, and protein. People need to know that people of different races as well as people in general need different ratios of macros.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >100 calories in isn't 100 calories out for everyone
        Nobody is saying this you stupid c**t.
        CICO means that the difference between calories in and calories out results in either loss or gain of mass.
        How you get there is not the concern of CICO.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >100 calories in isn't 100 calories out for everyone due to the varying efficiencies of our metabolisms
          Lmfao. You're so fricking dumb. You don't even understand what CICO means. Calories In = calories you ate. Calories Out = calories you burned. If CI > CO then you gain weight. If CI < CO then you lose weight.

          The end. Dumbfrick.

          Ok I thought that was what the OP was trying to say but yeah that's pretty obvious and I don't know why anyone would disagree with that.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >100 calories in isn't 100 calories out for everyone due to the varying efficiencies of our metabolisms
        Lmfao. You're so fricking dumb. You don't even understand what CICO means. Calories In = calories you ate. Calories Out = calories you burned. If CI > CO then you gain weight. If CI < CO then you lose weight.

        The end. Dumbfrick.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          you’re drawing arrow from CO to CI and call others dumb lmao cicotard

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Those are greater than and less than symbols you 85 IQ shitstain.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >anti cico subhuman can't even read

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >CICO cultist replies immediately after anyone dares to criticise their cult
      holy shit get a life you're worse than scientologists

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Please explain why CICO morons think that the human body always uses 100% of the chemical energy in food. Explain why people with dysentery are malnourished even when they eat enough calories. Tell me about what the human body is doing with the undigested fats and proteins human feces. The mere existence of diabetes should be enough to debunk this shit. You are the ultimate Dunning-Krueger midwits. Using calories as a unit of measure at all is pants on head moronic https://alexaanswers.amazon.com/question/3LrpFs1M1fCTv8NjgRhexY and accurate calorie calorie information is not even available.

      >https://www.mynetdiary.com/food/calories-in-boneless-skinless-chicken-thighs-by-chef-s-gram-17364667-0.html
      >https://www.fatsecret.com/calories-nutrition/generic/chicken-thigh-skin-not-eaten?portionid=50377&portionamount=100.000
      >https://www.myfitnesspal.com/food/calories/chicken-thigh-meat-only-braised-or-roasted-boneless-skinless-cooked-529887056

      If you happen to be successful doing CICO good for you, but please the frick up while the rest of us are working on our nutrition and go harass the HAES morons instead.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >go harass the HAES morons instead.
        But you are the HAES morons... Bro... do you really not know what side you're on?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          this is literally the same thinking as HAES morons

          Tell me how many calories are in 100 grams of chicken thigh you mouth breathing morons.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >There are 178 calories in 100 grams of Chicken Dark Meat (Roasting, Cooked, Roasted). * The % Daily Value (DV) tells you how much a nutrient in a serving of food contributes to a daily diet.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              These three databases say that you're wrong.

              >https://www.myfitnesspal.com/food/calories/chicken-thigh-meat-only-braised-or-roasted-boneless-skinless-cooked-529887056
              >https://www.fatsecret.com/calories-nutrition/generic/chicken-thigh-skin-not-eaten?portionid=50377&portionamount=100.000
              >https://www.mynetdiary.com/food/calories-in-boneless-skinless-chicken-thighs-by-chef-s-gram-17364667-0.html

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                https://i.imgur.com/J9i3d7S.png

                No, because you think you're about to make some "gotcha" argument and completely own us, even though you've got nothing and your point will be shit and nonsensical. I imagine your point will basically be
                >Grr, the amount of calories aren't always exact, grr fluctuations, blablabla, etc.
                Essentially shit that still doesn't disprove CICO, but nice attempt.
                [...]
                No, you just don't know how to come up with good analogies. Try harder, dickhead.

                Knew it. Exactly what I said you would do. So predictable.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                why do you insist on getting btfo so much?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            No, because you think you're about to make some "gotcha" argument and completely own us, even though you've got nothing and your point will be shit and nonsensical. I imagine your point will basically be
            >Grr, the amount of calories aren't always exact, grr fluctuations, blablabla, etc.
            Essentially shit that still doesn't disprove CICO, but nice attempt.

            Its exactly like it and your iq is too low to understand why, that doesnt make it incorrect

            No, you just don't know how to come up with good analogies. Try harder, dickhead.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              I knew it was you hahahha i called it, the same moronic anger that runs in endless circles

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Dude, everyone posts that fricking image. I'm not the guy you're thinking of, not that you're going to believe me, and not that I even care.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Hahahahha i fricking knew it, im not running in loops with you this time buddy ill see you in a week when i make a similar thread and you blow it up again

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Aww, shucks. Alright, I admit it! You found me out. I AM that guy. I don't know what I was trying to accomplish by lying about it. I just can't hide behind this facade anymore...

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              121 calories according to this moron's preferred database

              https://i.imgur.com/PKGfn1y.jpg

              why do you insist on getting btfo so much?

              , 207 calories according to this database https://www.fatsecret.com/calories-nutrition/generic/chicken-thigh-skin-not-eaten?portionid=50377&portionamount=100.000 and you morons think I'M the one getting BTFO'ed? Your entire position depends on adding up the exact amount of energy in food and subtracting the exact amount of energy expended by the body, but the database estimates of the calories in food are wildly inaccurate, but you still think you know better than people like Stan Ekberg that have medical degrees and back up their claims with published studies. I'll bet you think the calories burned number on cardio machines is accurate too.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >stan ekberg

                Based, Hello fellow health champion

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Chicken thigh can have highly variable amounts of fat, when raw due to feeding differences for the chicken, and cooked due to different cooking methods. You've picked one of the most variable and hard to calculate food types. Yes, there is some uncertainty, but even cherry picking like that you've only got an 80kcal difference, which is statistical noise.
                When you're cutting for weight loss you're aiming for around a 500kcal deficit or more. If your diet contains a lot of difficult to calculate foods like chicken thigh then you'll need to experiment a little bit more to find the right amount of food, so what?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                The highest estimate is almost twice as high as the lowest estimate. If you believe that it's okay to be off by 70% why are you advocating for CICO at all? Don't act like this is unique to chicken thigh either.

                >https://www.mynetdiary.com/food/calories-in-apple-and-orange-juice-by-fresh-up-ml-11256037-0.html
                >https://www.nutracheck.co.uk/CaloriesIn/Product/62/M&S+Pure+Freshly+Squeezed+Orange+Juice+500ml#url

                You're not counting, you're guessing. You're clueless about the nutritional value of food beyond what Myfitnesspal tells you is the calorie count. That puts you ahead of the HAES goyslop eaters, but behind everyone else.

                You could at the very least choose a better example than chicken, which is pretty much THE meat people eat to get protein while staying low on calories.
                >nooo muh inconsistency!
                what is the margin of error?
                eat less tubby

                >You could at the very least choose a better example than chicken, which is pretty much THE meat people eat to get protein while staying low on calories.
                That's an argument FOR using chicken, you moron. Weight loss foods like chicken are the MOST important to get right when you're shilling CICO as the best weight loss method. Shit like pizza, ice cream, and that disgusting Oreo milkshake are the ones that don't matter because no one who's trying to lose weight will be eating them.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                You're asking how much calories are in chicken, getting an answer, and still denying the basic reality that fat loss is a function of CICO. Chicken is low cal. End of

                https://i.imgur.com/V6x6igO.jpg

                >One 100g serving of chicken thigh is the only thing I will eat today
                By CICO logic I could be getting all my calories from 10 chicken thighs

                If you're attempting a monstrous cut, sure. It has plenty of protein too.

                yeah and CICO is dumb because it leads you to conclusions like this
                [...]
                just reread this post and soak in how fricking stupid and moronic it is

                >n-nooo thermic effect of food isn't real nooo
                cope
                >This is often termed the thermic effect of food (TEF). Although not all sources agree on the exact figures, it is clear that protein has a much higher thermic effect (20-30%) compared to carbs (5-10%) and fat (0-3%)
                >https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC524030/

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >The number of calories in chicken is somewhere between 121 calories and 207 calories per 100 grams
                >The price of gas is somewhere between $1.21 and $2.07 per liter
                >The amount of money in your account is somewhere between $121 and $207

                >attack anyone who tries your method and doesn't get results.
                If you didn't get results, then you obviously weren't doing it right... duh. If your goal was to lose weight, but you ended up gaining it, it's because you were in a caloric surplus. It's entriely your fault. Why are you looking for something else to blame when it's entirely on you?

                Right on cue. If the problem was me then I would continue to not loose weight when I started ignoring roid trannies, ditched CICO, and started getting advice from people like Dr. Ekberg and Mark Sisson that actually know what they're talking about.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                So that's what this is really all about, huh? You can't take responsibility for your own actions. Almost 24 hours and 230+ posts in, just to come to the conclusion that you're a pathetic loser who refuses to take accountability for his own shitty choices. Pathetic... Really pathetic, dude.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Strange and muddled take. Do you by chance count cans for a living? If not you should. Not him by the way.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Lost weight using different method
                >Somehow this makes me a pathetic loser who refuses to take accountability for his own shitty choices
                The roids are rotting your brain.

                >Dr. Ekberg
                Isn't he a chiropractor?

                Why do idiots like you fall for these fake doctors?

                He knows more about the human body than you ever will.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                This guy eats lots of fruit (sugar) every day and looks way better than "Doctor" Ekgay.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Dr. Ekberg
                Isn't he a chiropractor?

                Why do idiots like you fall for these fake doctors?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Apples to oranges. I don't know if you think you're making a point with these bad faith moron-tier arguments but you definitely are making yourself look like an idiot if that's your goal

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                That wasn't even meant to be an argument, you brain rotted roid troony, I was venting.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                then why even reply to me, it's clearly formatted to attempt to compare calorie counts to money which is moronic because money isn't measured with a bomb calorimeter

                The rest of your post doesn't clarify the silly statement you made and apparently are now defending with the reasoning "duh it's obvious."

                If it's so obvious and easy to explain how could you make such a stupid statement in the first place? lol

                The context of the thread is "CICO bad". Thus it follows logically that I would answer a question about the healthiness of chicken in a calorie-focused way. You're being deliberately obtuse as if that's a gotcha or does anything besides make you look dumb

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I replied to the wrong post. The money analogy was an argument because it shows how fundamentally flawed the calorie counting method is. You can't accurately track calories in food or expended by exercise the way that CICO shills always claim you can. The same 100g of chicken has about 70% more calories according to one database compared to the other; someone following your advice could be over or under their daily calorie goal by hundreds, or thousands off of a weekly goal if they eat chicken every day. I don't even have to bring up factors like satiety, glycemic load, gut biome, or insulin sensitivity to show that CICO is a garbage methodology that only happens to work for some people.

                CICO is by far the most common weight loss method and the fail rate on diets is estimated to be as high as 95%; that's not a coincidence. The time that people waste looking up numbers could be spent learning to cook, fermenting food for gut health, or meditating to reduce cortisol. Eat less move more is the first thing that literally everyone tries and fails at, so if you can't offer any information or advice beyond that you're no more useful than the HAES morons.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >someone following your advice could be over or under their daily calorie goal by hundreds
                No, they couldn't. See

                >Your entire position depends on adding up the exact amount of energy in food and subtracting the exact amount of energy expended by the body
                No, it doesn't have to be exact at all. It only has to be close enough. It obviously can't be 100% perfectly exact every single time. But what you can guarantee is that it will be close enough. And that's good enough and succesfully works for people. If you're trying for a deficit of 500kcal, but your actual deficit only ends up being 440kcal, then it's still perfectly fine, since you're still in a deficit. Why don't you understand this?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                That post you're rebutting with argues that close enough is good enough, which is for all practical purposes is the opposite of CICO. Same as this clown

                Doesn't matter which database they follow as long as they use the same method to calculate CICO every week. If you’re gaining weight and calculating a calorie deficit, then you simply cut more from your diet. It’s really not that difficult. The reason most people in this country are obese is because they consume too many calories. Satiety and microbiome aren’t going to do shit if you’re shoving 4000kcal down your throat every day.

                If you want to see what works, then look at what methodology is used by people who diet professionally: body builders and wrestlers. All of them use CICO to manage their weight.

                . All but the very stupidest meme diets will reduce calories compared to the standard Western goyslop diet.

                Doesn't matter which database they follow as long as they use the same method to calculate CICO every week. If you’re gaining weight and calculating a calorie deficit, then you simply cut more from your diet. It’s really not that difficult. The reason most people in this country are obese is because they consume too many calories. Satiety and microbiome aren’t going to do shit if you’re shoving 4000kcal down your throat every day.

                If you want to see what works, then look at what methodology is used by people who diet professionally: body builders and wrestlers. All of them use CICO to manage their weight.

                >It doesn't matter how far you're off by, only whether you're off by the same amount
                If I plan out 1500 calories a day, with 400 coming from chicken I would eat 70% more chicken using one of the databases I've been linking compared to the other. How is it that your npc brain can't see the problem with that?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >That post you're rebutting with argues that close enough is good enough
                Yes, and it is. Why do you have this super autistic mindset of "CICO HAS TO WORK IN THIS VERY SPECIFIC AND PERFECTLY EXACT WAY AT ALL TIMES OR ELSE IT'S WRONG!"?
                >If I plan out 1500 calories a day, with 400 coming from chicken I would eat 70% more chicken using one of the databases I've been linking compared to the other.
                So? What's the issue? As long as you're still in a deficit (which you will be), you'll be fine. Also, just use a little fricking discretion and discernment to find the answer. If one database says it's 200kcal and another says it's 150kcal, then just assume that it's likely somewhere in the middle, you frickwit. Why does everything have to be spelled out to you like a fricking child?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Yes, and it is. Why do you have this super autistic mindset of "CICO HAS TO WORK IN THIS VERY SPECIFIC AND PERFECTLY EXACT WAY AT ALL TIMES OR ELSE IT'S WRONG!"?
                Because you autistic morons always claim that it does work in that perfect exact way when you're calling me a fat, lazy slob. You can't have it both ways.
                >So? What's the issue? As long as you're still in a deficit (which you will be), you'll be fine
                Not if the database I'm using is UNDERSTATING the real number. Which we don't know, because there's no consensus on what the real number is. By your own logic the method that you shove on to everyone else won't work because there's no way to tell whether we're actually doing it right without accurate, reliable numbers.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Not if the database I'm using is UNDERSTATING the real number. Which we don't know, because there's no consensus on what the real number is. By your own logic the method that you shove on to everyone else won't work because there's no way to tell whether we're actually doing it right without accurate, reliable numbers.
                Empirical testing. Use their numbers for two weeks. If your weight went down, you're good. If it stayed the same or went up, eat less.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                That's called an anecdote, not an empirical test, and by the same logic I've already posted a more effective method ITT

                That's not what you claim. You always go >muh thermodynamics >muh math until you get backed into a corner like this. "Close enough" is exactly what you always argue against. You constantly shit on advice like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJ0QXCTqjUs and insist on logging every spoon of food (don't forget to weigh it!) and every minute of physical activity and attack anyone who tries your method and doesn't get results.

                and I guess I'll put another one in the image field (dropped about 20 pounds while putting on some muscle following this guy's advice and not counting or logging calories).

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >That's called an anecdote, not an empirical test,

                >Empirical
                >based on, concerned with, or verifiable by observation or experience rather than theory or pure logic.
                it is, by definition, empirical if you do it that way

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous
              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Because you autistic morons always claim that it does work in that perfect exact way when you're calling me a fat, lazy slob. You can't have it both ways.
                No, we don't, frickhead. Only you do, and that's what we've been trying to explain to you for the past 500 hours, but you just won't get it through your thick fricking skull!

                >By your own logic the method that you shove on to everyone else won't work because there's no way to tell whether we're actually doing it right without accurate, reliable numbers.
                God, you're an idiot.
                -Figure out your TDEE
                -Eat food
                -If weight stays the same or increases on scale, eat less food
                Not exactly a complex system to figure out, now, is it? Seriously, bro, why do you need obvious shit explained to you over and over again? Why can't you just figure out these obvious solutions and conclusions on your own? Why are you incapable of filling in the blanks? Why doesn't your brain function correctly?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >No, we don't, frickhead
                Yes. You do. You're doing it in this exact god damn post. Are you a fricking chat bot that doesn't understand the words you're vomiting out to the world or are terminally autistic and addicted to (you)s? This board really is the new /LULZ/.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Stop with the projection, dude. Stop being a moron.

                You ACTUALLY believe you're in either a 1000 calorie surplus or deficit though.

                >hurr durr muh calorimeter calories are LITERALLY how my body process food!

                It doesn't matter if it's exactly 1000kcal or not, tard-for-brains. It will still be in that general range, and will be way more than enough to undoubtably and unquestionably be at a deficit, and enough of one there's no chance of somehow being at maintenance calories or a surplus. Stop with the idiocy.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >kys

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Bro, this entire thread has just been you going "I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW SOMETHING WORKS, THEREFORE IT'S WRONG!" Just shut the frick up already. Anyway. I've won this argument over and over again, and now I'm going to bed. Seethe harder over the fact that you'll never be right and will always be a moronic homosexual. have a nice day, dickhead!

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Doesn't matter which database they follow as long as they use the same method to calculate CICO every week. If you’re gaining weight and calculating a calorie deficit, then you simply cut more from your diet. It’s really not that difficult. The reason most people in this country are obese is because they consume too many calories. Satiety and microbiome aren’t going to do shit if you’re shoving 4000kcal down your throat every day.

                If you want to see what works, then look at what methodology is used by people who diet professionally: body builders and wrestlers. All of them use CICO to manage their weight.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Bodybuilders are on steroids, their body functions completely different from a normal human. The fact that you would even bring them up shows that you are clueless about physical health. Wrestlers are a slightly better argument, but the successful ones aren't just eating random garbage and tracking the calories in it. They're young men, eating the same food that the Ekbergs of the world would recommend and working out for hours every day, which is not an option for most people. Most of the weight they actually drop for competitions is intentional dehydration, and spitting in a gatorade bottle all day doesn't reduce body fat.

                >fundamentally flawed the calorie counting method is
                It isn't flawed beyond usefulness, unless it needs to be an absolutely perfect system in order to please you. As another anon said, it's not always exact but 99% of the time it's good enough to lose weight with. If you're close enough to your calorie limit that the margin of error is seriously affecting your weight loss, that's a you problem.

                >satiety
                willpower issue
                >glycemic load
                functionally irrelevant unless you're a diabetic, has nothing to do with weight loss
                >gut biome
                if anything having a shitty gut biome is beneficial to weight loss as you become unable to break down some foods and absorb them as nutrients
                >insulin sensitivity
                a meme

                >CICO is a garbage methodology that only happens to work for some people
                Except that's fundamentally wrong, you fricking idiot. CICO isn't a "methodology". It's physical reality. What do you think fat is? Where do you think that energy comes from? If the body requires more energy than is being absorbed from your diet, it will use stored energy to make up the difference. There's no "muh genetics" that make you able to manifest energy out of nowhere, it just doesn't happen. Certain diets focus on the CICO aspect, but EVERY diet that works has CICO at its core.

                >fail rate on diets
                Fatty cope, this is exclusively a willpower issue.

                >Eat less move more is the first thing that literally everyone tries and fails at,
                Willpower issue

                >so if you can't offer any information or advice beyond that you're no more useful than the HAES morons
                >what's 2+2? and don't tell me 4.

                >It isn't flawed beyond usefulness, unless it needs to be an absolutely perfect system in order to please you
                That's what CICO shills always claim it is.
                > it's not always exact but 99% of the time it's good enough to lose weight with
                The obesity rate in Western countries would not be pushing 40% if it was. The only other pseudo scientific health advice with such fervent support and failure rate this catastrophic is "gender affirming care." You are actively making people fatter with your advice.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >That's what CICO shills always claim it is.
                Bold claim, reeks of strawman

                >The obesity rate in Western countries would not be pushing 40% if it was.
                The obesity rate in the West is due to unlimited access to cheap, high-calorie food combined with a lazy, sedentary population. It's not that they're unable to lose weight, it's that they don't even try. You're attempting to assign blame for obesity to ANYTHING except stuffing your face like a pig. It's time to accept personal responsibility for your appearance and stop the cope.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >The obesity rate in the West is due to unlimited access to cheap, high-calorie food combined with a lazy, sedentary population
                If you actually believed that you would be telling people to cook their own food and eat vegetables like Cavaliere and Eckhart, but you don't because you're a moronic roid trannie that inhales goyslop and shoots hormones into your ass

                >You're attempting to assign blame for obesity to ANYTHING except stuffing your face like a pig
                Literally every single thing that I've pushed for ITT revolves around eating healthier food.

                >It's time to accept personal responsibility for your appearance and stop the cope.
                You're projecting the guilt and inferiority you feel for roiding onto people that lift, run, and diet for health reasons. You're the biggest crab in the bucket pulling down others that are actually working hard to improve themselves. You'll die in your 30s from steroid complications without accomplishing anything.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >but you don't because you're a moronic roid trannie that inhales goyslop and shoots hormones into your ass
                Are you capable of anything other than strawman arguments

                >Literally every single thing that I've pushed for ITT revolves around eating healthier food.
                Except you plug your ears whenever anyone attempts to explain to you the simple reality behind weight loss

                >You're projecting the guilt and inferiority you feel for roiding
                There's that strawman again

                >You're the biggest crab in the bucket pulling down others that are actually working hard to improve themselves.
                Lol, this from the guy repeating the HAES meme that 95% of diets fail. That's funny.

                >You'll die in your 30s from steroid complications without accomplishing anything.
                Wishful thinking on your part. I'll outlive you because I can maintain a healthy weight thanks to my solid grasp of nutritional fundamentals like CICO, unlike you who will die fat

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Doesn't even deny the steroid abuse
                Enjoy being another Zyzz, Ronnie Coleman, or Rich Pianna. Minus the fame and likable personality.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >NOOO YOU ARE MY STRAWMAN NOOOO
                Cope. I accept your concession

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >fundamentally flawed the calorie counting method is
                It isn't flawed beyond usefulness, unless it needs to be an absolutely perfect system in order to please you. As another anon said, it's not always exact but 99% of the time it's good enough to lose weight with. If you're close enough to your calorie limit that the margin of error is seriously affecting your weight loss, that's a you problem.

                >satiety
                willpower issue
                >glycemic load
                functionally irrelevant unless you're a diabetic, has nothing to do with weight loss
                >gut biome
                if anything having a shitty gut biome is beneficial to weight loss as you become unable to break down some foods and absorb them as nutrients
                >insulin sensitivity
                a meme

                >CICO is a garbage methodology that only happens to work for some people
                Except that's fundamentally wrong, you fricking idiot. CICO isn't a "methodology". It's physical reality. What do you think fat is? Where do you think that energy comes from? If the body requires more energy than is being absorbed from your diet, it will use stored energy to make up the difference. There's no "muh genetics" that make you able to manifest energy out of nowhere, it just doesn't happen. Certain diets focus on the CICO aspect, but EVERY diet that works has CICO at its core.

                >fail rate on diets
                Fatty cope, this is exclusively a willpower issue.

                >Eat less move more is the first thing that literally everyone tries and fails at,
                Willpower issue

                >so if you can't offer any information or advice beyond that you're no more useful than the HAES morons
                >what's 2+2? and don't tell me 4.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >The same 100g of chicken has about 70% more calories according to one database compared to the other;
                As long as you use the same calorie references, same food scale, and same scale for yourself it doesn't matter. I ate X amount of Y calorie food and my weight is Z. I ate 0.9X amount of Y calorie food and my weight is less than Z. Everything doesn't have to be exact; it's about building a system that, over time, slowly and consistently loses weight.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                You're the moron who thinks that calories should be counted by googling random versions of similar foodstuffs rather than using the nutrition info on the food you've actually bought

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                No, failing to understand that the numbers should be the same means you're moronic. The implication that I should be buying premade goyslop full of sugar and PUFAs so that I can read the nutrition label is doubly moronic.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Why should the numbers be the same? Every cut of chicken thigh is going to have different amounts of fat and meat, which is going to change the calorie value. It is an inherently highly variable foodstuff. You've used it as a cherry picked example BECAUSE it can vary a lot. You don't have to know your calorie intake to a 0.1% error margin for the principles of CICO to work.
                You aim for a 500-750kcal deficit for weight loss, as this gives enough of a margin of error that highly variable foods can be accounted for.

                By your own argument, it is the macronutrient and micronutrient profile of food that matters, not the calories, well your chicken thigh might be 5% fat or 12% fat. yUo cAnT kNoW eXaCtLy wHaT iT iS

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >numbers should be the same means you're moronic
                >a factory farmed Cornish Cross chicken raised on a diet of grain should have the EXACT same body composition and fatty acid profile, and therefore calories per 100g, as an heirloom, free-range Rhode Island Red
                IDK bro so you're mad that not all chickens are carbon-copy clones of each other?

                It's only a problem if I'm following your moronic advice and counting calories to lose weight. If I'm loading up on vegetables, fixing my gut, lowering cortisol, and cutting the goyslop I don't need to whether my chicken thighs have 121 or 207 calories.

                >You've used it as a cherry picked example BECAUSE it can vary a lot.
                I used it because it's one of the most commonly eaten weight loss foods you autistic, inbred, mouth breathing roid trannie

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >numbers should be the same means you're moronic
                >a factory farmed Cornish Cross chicken raised on a diet of grain should have the EXACT same body composition and fatty acid profile, and therefore calories per 100g, as an heirloom, free-range Rhode Island Red
                IDK bro so you're mad that not all chickens are carbon-copy clones of each other?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                You could at the very least choose a better example than chicken, which is pretty much THE meat people eat to get protein while staying low on calories.
                >nooo muh inconsistency!
                what is the margin of error?
                eat less tubby

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Oh no! A whole extra 100 calories, whatever will I do?! Oh, I'll still be at a deficit anyway, so it doesn't even matter. Plus, I could just go on a 20 minute walk to burn it off, if I wanted to. Problem solved. You're really not making a good case, bro. Besides, my personal TDEE is close to 3,000 calories. Do you really think a measly 100 calories is even gonna make a fricking dent in that? No, it isn't. It's not something I need to concern myself with. You're freaking out over nothing.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >One 100g serving of chicken thigh is the only thing I will eat today
                By CICO logic I could be getting all my calories from 10 chicken thighs

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >By CICO logic I could be getting all my calories from 10 chicken thighs
                Yeah... because you could... That's actually a thing you could do. Exactly how moronic are you that you don't understand this?

                yeah and CICO is dumb because it leads you to conclusions like this
                [...]
                just reread this post and soak in how fricking stupid and moronic it is

                It's dumb because it leads you to correct conclusions? Dude, are you okay? I think getting BTFO'd this whole thread is messing with your brain. You might wanna take a break, bro.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >attack anyone who tries your method and doesn't get results.
                If you didn't get results, then you obviously weren't doing it right... duh. If your goal was to lose weight, but you ended up gaining it, it's because you were in a caloric surplus. It's entriely your fault. Why are you looking for something else to blame when it's entirely on you?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Meant for

                That's not what you claim. You always go >muh thermodynamics >muh math until you get backed into a corner like this. "Close enough" is exactly what you always argue against. You constantly shit on advice like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJ0QXCTqjUs and insist on logging every spoon of food (don't forget to weigh it!) and every minute of physical activity and attack anyone who tries your method and doesn't get results.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Your entire position depends on adding up the exact amount of energy in food and subtracting the exact amount of energy expended by the body
                No, it doesn't have to be exact at all. It only has to be close enough. It obviously can't be 100% perfectly exact every single time. But what you can guarantee is that it will be close enough. And that's good enough and succesfully works for people. If you're trying for a deficit of 500kcal, but your actual deficit only ends up being 440kcal, then it's still perfectly fine, since you're still in a deficit. Why don't you understand this?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                That's not what you claim. You always go >muh thermodynamics >muh math until you get backed into a corner like this. "Close enough" is exactly what you always argue against. You constantly shit on advice like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJ0QXCTqjUs and insist on logging every spoon of food (don't forget to weigh it!) and every minute of physical activity and attack anyone who tries your method and doesn't get results.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        this is literally the same thinking as HAES morons

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Please explain why CICO morons think that the human body always uses 100% of the chemical energy in food.
        Your body doesn't use 100% of the chemical energy in the food you eat. It does however, use more than zero, meaning if you want to lose weight, you should eat less food, and if you want to gain weight you should eat more food.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >satan trips from a moron keto poster
      >fpbp literally BTFO's fatso OP
      >bakers dozen of lardasses reply
      lmao at these >people. any ketoschizo thread is immediately a fph thread.

  2. 1 year ago
    why are you black?

    where are the fat holocaust victims?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >holocaust
      Shut the frick up rabbi

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I agree but it's not like it doesn't work

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Then how come it works?

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    anti cico gays be like
    >how come when I eat 1800 calories of cooking oil each day I feel like shit but when I eat 1800 calories of other foods I feel fine??
    You are a fricking moron. CICO works. Obviously you'll be healthier and feel better if you eat a variety of healthy well prepared foods than if you eat slop, but the principle is the same. Expend more calories than you consume and you WILL lose weight. End of story. Everything else is fat moron cope, like this thread.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      But 1800 calories of pure sugar will be processes different from 1800 calories of chicken thighs so therefore calories don't count

      Checkmate anon, now I can go to the buffet every day

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        What are you putting on your plate though, strawman-chan?

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    what else determines weight then?

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    CICO is literally science.
    Of course foods with protein and fiber are more satiating though at lower calories.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >CICO is literally science.

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    CICO is just a proxy for materials-in-materials-out. You see, the catabolic metabolism consists of a series of combustion reactions (any reaction with oxygen is combustion) and these reactions release heat proportion to the amount of material used in the reaction. Likewise, the possible amount of heat produce by burning the materials in a piece of food produce a similar amount of heat. So it's easier to calculate the amount of calories in total you produce per day as part of your metabolism than it is to calculate the exact among of every possible combination of different types of carbs, proteins, fats, etc. you need per day for you catabolic metabolism. The directly proportional nature of material to heat produced makes calories a good proxy.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Underrated post anon. I will save this and pasta anytime I see an anti-cico moron from now on

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Ok post, but
      >(any reaction with oxygen is combustion)
      Nope. There are plenty of reactions with oxygen that don't count as combustion (you can have a compound react partially with oxygen and get aldehydes or ketones, for example. That is oxidation, but not combustion). It's combustion only if it's fast, if it produces heat and if it results in the destruction of the original molecule.

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >follow cico
    >lose weight if I want
    >gain weight if I want
    >simple as
    what are you getting confused about?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      all fat is weight, not all weight is fat

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Yes and for 90% of people following cico will work perfectly fine for losing or gaining weight. Very few people engage in the types of lifestyles that require micromanaging macro and micro nutrient intake, and those that do know they need to have a specific diet to obtain their goals.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        This is why you LIFT when you're cutting, atleast a couple times a week. You lose mostly fat and retain most of the muscle you gained on your "bulk". Jesus fricking christ, you zoomers act as if this shit hasnt been common knowledge for a while now.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Bulking is meaningless. You're just adding extra steps.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        So? Who cares if it's "oversimplified"? Why is CICO the one thing people always choose to be autistically pedantic about? Seriously, it's as annoying as those fricking morons who feel the need to go "um, ackshually, you mean fat loss" when you say "weight loss", when it's tacitly understood by literally everyone that when someone says "losing weight" they obviously mean "losing fat", because who the frick would ever mean anything other than that in that context? Just shut the frick up and stop being pedantic little homosexuals with your unnecessary technicalities! You know what we fricking mean, so stop being autistic about it! Jesus fricking Christ.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          The problem is that CICO doesn't really say anything and it doesn't address hormone issues people may have from a lifetime of eating goyslop. Technically you could lose weight if you only at 500 calories of sugar a day, but does is that something someone should ever do?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Technically you could lose weight if you only at 500 calories of sugar a day, but does is that something someone should ever do?
            No one is telling anyone to do that, you moron
            CICO simply means you can't stuff your face with 4,000 calories a day with zero exercise and pretend your diet is healthy and not why you're fat because some of your packaged food says "organic" on it

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Just because CICO doesn't encompass every single aspect of healthy dieting doesn't mean it's not a correct and valid rule. Of course the type and quality of the food matter, but that is not the concern of the rule. The rule is about how the amount of weight gained is dependent on the amount of calories consumed. You can't just shove every single aspect of the human metabolism in a single rule, it would be a few pages long and nobody would read it.
            People who complain about CICO are all a bunch of lazy coping fatties who are upset that weight loss doesn't come to them in one single neatly wrapped package like their burgers.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >The problem is that CICO doesn't really say anything and it doesn't address hormone issues people may have from a lifetime of eating goyslop
            Because it doesn't fricking have to. See what I mean about you fricks being unecessarily pedantic about this shit?

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Then when someone gives an actual solution that helps people toward CICO, like keto, they get called ketoschizo and ketolard. This is what we are talking about when you CICOtards try to say we are being pedantic.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                No, because we're not talking about specifically "people who struggle to make CICO work for them because they're fat fricks who can't stop eating", okay? We're not talking about that. We're solely talking about CICO on its own. Everything else is irrelevant. All that fundamentally matters in this discussion is that you eat less than your TDEE to lose weight and you eat above it to gain it. That's the only thing being discussed here. Literally nothing else. Just that. Nothing more. Again, I don't get this pedantic need to keep introducing outside variables that aren't part of what we're discussing. Why do you keep doing it?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Because you can't ignore the outside factors that affect CICO, you fricking idiot.
                >My car is going through fuel really really fast.
                >FIFO dude! That's all that matters.
                >But what if there is a lea-
                >FUEL IN FUEL OUT. SHUT UP.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Yes you fricking can, you fricking idiot. Your extreme example doesn't even make sense, you brainless frickwit. If you have a TDEE of 2500 calories, and you only take in 1500 calories, you will then burn 1000 calories. That's literally all that matters. Nothing else. Stop being stupid and proving my point.

                If youre stuffying yourself with carbs your body wont tap into fat stores for energy.

                Even if you calorie restrict, it will just lower metabolism rather than use fat before glycogen.

                CICO fails because it doesnt address the fact that fat stores arent used unless glycogen depleted

                That's not how it works. It has literally never worked like that. Stop parroting incorrect shit that you've heard your favourite youtuber say. I've eaten nothing but carbs for the past 3 days at a deficit of 1000 calories, and I've lost around 700 grams of fat doing so. Stop being stupid. You don't know what you're talking about.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                What you're not getting is that fatties will literally eat 1500 calories of oreos and not understand why their diets always fail. We're giving diet advice to FAT FRICKS! CICO WORKS IF YOU'RE NOT ALREADY A FAT moron FRICK! YOU ARE moronic! have a nice day, NOW!

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                No, it just fundamentally works, no matter what. If person has a TDEE of 3000 calories and they only eat 1500 calories worth of Oreos, and nothing else, they will burn 1500 calories worth of fat. We're arguing two different things here, buddy, and you don't seem to understand that. Like I said in this post

                https://i.imgur.com/dXmDDbo.jpg

                No, because we're not talking about specifically "people who struggle to make CICO work for them because they're fat fricks who can't stop eating", okay? We're not talking about that. We're solely talking about CICO on its own. Everything else is irrelevant. All that fundamentally matters in this discussion is that you eat less than your TDEE to lose weight and you eat above it to gain it. That's the only thing being discussed here. Literally nothing else. Just that. Nothing more. Again, I don't get this pedantic need to keep introducing outside variables that aren't part of what we're discussing. Why do you keep doing it?

                we're not talking about specifically "people who struggle to make CICO work for them because they're fat fricks who can't stop eating". We're solely talking about CICO on its own.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >unironically advocating the oreo example diet to fatties
                lmfao you are what we laugh at btw. Listen bro, I hate fatties too, but you don't have to torture them with this troll tier advice.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                He's not advocating it you disingenuous c**t, he's stating (correctly) that even a nutrient deficient diet will cause you to lose weight if it puts you below your TDEE

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I'm literally not even advocating it, you braindead homosexual. I'm very obviously using it as a random example to prove my point. I'm not saying they SHOULD eat Oreos to lose weight, you frickhead (which I knew someone would eventually try to make the argument that I was encouraging it, since you morons are so predictable), I'm saying that they COULD do it and it WOULD work. Do you not know the difference between the words "could" and "should". Are you really this dumb? Obviously no one SHOULD try to lose weight by eating nothing but Oreos, I'm merely pointing out that they COULD do it, moron. I can't believe I actually have explain something so basic to a grown adult. Holy frick.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >'m saying that they COULD eat Oreos to lose weight
                Kind of a dumb thing to say. Eating doesn't make you lose weight. Not eating makes you lose weight. So you should be saying "someone could be eating less than they usually do, and it could be all Oreos, and they would still lose weight."

                I 100% understand what you're saying, I'm just saying that the way you phrase it is kind of bad.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Dude, come the frick on. Did you really feel the need to "um, ackshually" me on THAT of all things? Also, there's nothing wrong with my phrasing. Stop being a pedantic moron. I hate that I have to keep using that word to describe you dumb fricks.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Wow you got really defensive. Chill out a little and take a deep breath anon.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, that stuff doesn't work on me. Try something else.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Do you think I'm debating you on something or do you think I just popped into the thread to make 1 post about how your phrasing is bad and am pointing out how you got really defensive really quickly?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Yawn. Try harder.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Are you a CICO person or anti-CICO person? I'm trying to figure out which side is the more autistic one and I don't want to read your entire post history to figure it out.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Getting mad because I'm not giving you the reaction you want, huh? Sad. Your not-so-sutble, deliberately inflammatory remarks aren't gonna work on me. Just accept your loss and move on, bro.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Can you please just answer the question lol I don't need any more of your displays.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Whoa! Settle down, fella. Take it easy. Don't want you working yourself up. Just calm down. Relax. You're not getting anything from me, so just sssshh. Okay? Good boy.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Whoa! Settle down, fella. Take it easy. Don't want you working yourself up. Just calm down. Relax. You're not getting anything from me, so just sssshh. Okay? Good boy.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Alright, so you've got nothing left then? Cool. I don't need any more of your displays.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                And CICO is to explain to the morons who eat 3000kcal of regular , normal, food why they aren't losing weight
                >I don't understand! I cut out soda and junk food and I'm cooking all my own meals but I'm still getting fatter!
                >have you tried eating less food?
                >CICO IS A MYTH A CALORIE ISN'T A CALORIE THE RANDLE CYCLE LIPID PEROXIDATION GLYCOGEN DEPLETION INSULIN GHRELIN

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >body cannibalizes muscle and organ tissues for missing compounds because of your meme sugar diet
                >FDA approved diet btw, CICO bro
                lel

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Your post has nothing to do with what I said.
                If you eat a nutritionally complete diet, hitting all of the body's requirements for essential vitamins and minerals, you're going to gain weight regardless if you're in a calorie surplus

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                no shit, moron
                your are a reductionist idiot oversimplifying diet to just energy, just as OP stated
                The biggest problem with people on the internet is they can never admit they're wrong and you get gays like this

                I'm literally not even advocating it, you braindead homosexual. I'm very obviously using it as a random example to prove my point. I'm not saying they SHOULD eat Oreos to lose weight, you frickhead (which I knew someone would eventually try to make the argument that I was encouraging it, since you morons are so predictable), I'm saying that they COULD do it and it WOULD work. Do you not know the difference between the words "could" and "should". Are you really this dumb? Obviously no one SHOULD try to lose weight by eating nothing but Oreos, I'm merely pointing out that they COULD do it, moron. I can't believe I actually have explain something so basic to a grown adult. Holy frick.

                You were the morons in school that got butthurt because they didn't read the question on the test carefully and just assumed what the question was based on a cursory glance.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >You were the morons in school that got butthurt because they didn't read the question on the test carefully and just assumed what the question was based on a cursory glance.
                >Projecting this hard
                You do realize that's what YOU'RE doing, right?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >no u
                the mental acuity of cicogays everyone

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I had to bring it down to a level that you would understand. Sorry, I should have dumbed it down more for ya.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >no shit, moron
                >your are a reductionist idiot oversimplifying diet to just energy, just as OP stated
                Which part of my post about people eating a normal, healthy diet but eating TOO MUCH OF IT was reductionist?
                Your counter to this is some bizarre non-sequitar that the only reason people overeat is because they're deficient in some nutrient or another.
                The fact is that nutrient deficiency is vanishingly rare in the developed world and doesn't account for the rising obesity rates - deficiency was far more common in the past, before staple foods like bread, milk and cereals were fortified and enriched.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >he doesn't think the wester world is nutrient deficient because the governments said so
                >dumping iron into bread is le good for diet!!! ty doctor shekelburg for your cheerios!!!
                lol, lmao even

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Fat people become nutrient deficient because of their junk food diet. They don't become fat because they are nutrient deficient.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >t. can't read

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                The irony is incredible

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                https://i.imgur.com/kHuaGzQ.jpg

                >unironically advocating the oreo example diet to fatties
                lmfao you are what we laugh at btw. Listen bro, I hate fatties too, but you don't have to torture them with this troll tier advice.

                What you're not getting is that fatties will literally eat 1500 calories of oreos and not understand why their diets always fail. We're giving diet advice to FAT FRICKS! CICO WORKS IF YOU'RE NOT ALREADY A FAT moron FRICK! YOU ARE moronic! have a nice day, NOW!

                https://i.imgur.com/k1kkKH9.jpg

                >DUHHHH ENERGIEEESSS
                we know you fricking moron lol, that's the point. We know what you're saying. We get it. But its not relevant to anything.
                >BUT TECHNICULLYYYY
                no one cares! no one asked!

                [...]
                I reread your points and I actually think you're even more moronic than before, and OP is even more right. You are presenting a reductionist argument to die, and no one cares that you can technically gain weight eating health and technically lose weight eating unhealthy, it is a completely irrelevant point. Its not relevant to fatties. Its not relevant to athletes. Its not relevant to body builders. Its not relevant to powerfatties. Its never relevant except for maybe reddit, a place you two should go back to.

                You are the dumbest piece of shit on internet, braindead and illiterate

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >moronic non-sequitur poster assuming that CICO means "just eat sugar bro"
                nobody thinks this but the strawman you're attacking

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >logical implications of your theory is a straw man
                back to int brainlet

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >logical implications
                i.e. you made it up, because arguing with a strawman is easier than getting btfo by facts

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                What is healthier, a chicken leg or a can of coke?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                A chicken leg, as it has less calories than a can of coke. Additionally, the thermic effect of protein results in net less calories absorbed than sugar.
                I understand that post was supposed to be a gotcha, so I'll just accept your concession.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >A chicken leg, as it has less calories than a can of coke
                YOU LITERALLY CAN'T MAKE THIS SHIT UP

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                btfo

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >removes the skin to win an argument

                You people are deranged

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                He lost the argument by saying that a chicken leg (of indeterminate size btw) was healthier than coke just because muh calories. Its time for him to go back.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Dude, you're trying to make this argument like as if you were ever discussing the nutritional value of food and it's importance, even though you weren't. If you would like to intrduce that new argument, you may, but don't pretend like it was ever part of any point you were making beforehand. Also, no one's going to deny the actual importance of the nutritional aspects of diet. But it's not what we're discussing. We're talking about CICO.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                yeah and CICO is dumb because it leads you to conclusions like this

                A chicken leg, as it has less calories than a can of coke. Additionally, the thermic effect of protein results in net less calories absorbed than sugar.
                I understand that post was supposed to be a gotcha, so I'll just accept your concession.

                just reread this post and soak in how fricking stupid and moronic it is

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >a chicken leg is healthier than a bottle of HFCS because of calories
                Anon what?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >ignores the rest of the post
                this thread is about cico not macros. if you need me to spell it out for you why chicken is healthier than coke you're ngmi

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                The rest of your post doesn't clarify the silly statement you made and apparently are now defending with the reasoning "duh it's obvious."

                If it's so obvious and easy to explain how could you make such a stupid statement in the first place? lol

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Also, you're acting like it's WHAT they're eating that's keeping them fat, when it's simply that they're eating 4000+ calories of food while only doing enough to burn off 2500 calories of it. It wouldn't matter if they ate healthy food if they're still eating 4000+ calories of it.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >what they're eating isn't make them fat
                CICOtards, everyone. They're fat because they're always eating. They're always eating because they're always hungry. They're always hungry because their diet is devoid of nutrients their body needs. Your solution for them is to just to focus on the pure energy derived from their diet, which is not their problem.
                Plus, see

                https://i.imgur.com/EqZBrdN.png

                >body cannibalizes muscle and organ tissues for missing compounds because of your meme sugar diet
                >FDA approved diet btw, CICO bro
                lel

                Once again, CICO is only for people who already eat healthy foods and balanced macros. If you're a corn syrup guzzling goblin it does nothing for you except destroy your body even further, cause massive hunger pains and generally troll you into thinking cutting is some hard impossible thing that some people can just do effortlessly.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Again, completely missing the point. I don't how many times I'm gonna have to explain it to you, but we're going ad nauseam with this shit, and you're just not gonna comprehend what I'm saying.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >DUHHHH ENERGIEEESSS
                we know you fricking moron lol, that's the point. We know what you're saying. We get it. But its not relevant to anything.
                >BUT TECHNICULLYYYY
                no one cares! no one asked!

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >BUT TECHNICULLYYYY
                >no one cares! no one asked!
                You're the one making the technicalities, moron. That's what my original post about you frickheads being pedantic idiots was all about in the first place. Because you add a million technicalities that ulitmately don't mater! Fricking Hell. Why are you so fricking stupid and lacking in self-awareness?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I had to bring it down to a level that you would understand. Sorry, I should have dumbed it down more for ya.

                I reread your points and I actually think you're even more moronic than before, and OP is even more right. You are presenting a reductionist argument to die, and no one cares that you can technically gain weight eating health and technically lose weight eating unhealthy, it is a completely irrelevant point. Its not relevant to fatties. Its not relevant to athletes. Its not relevant to body builders. Its not relevant to powerfatties. Its never relevant except for maybe reddit, a place you two should go back to.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >and no one cares that you can technically gain weight eating healthy and technically lose weight eating unhealthy,
                You don't care because it demolishes your unfounded criticisms of CICO, there's a difference.
                If you're trying to lose weight, then you should eat less food. If you're trying to gain weight, you should eat more food. This shouldn't be controversial.
                The only controversy is from morons like you saying "WOW SO YOU'RE SAYING I CAN EAT ONLY 1000KCAL OF SUGAR AND BE COMPLETELY HEALTHY HAHA WHAT A JOKE CICO IS FAKE.

                You're the nutritional equivalent of pic related

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Alright, and now you've just doubled down on your extreme way of looking at this and have made yourself looking even more foolish and unstable. And all because you lost an argument on the internet. Pathetic, dude... Really pathetic.
                >and no one cares that you can technically gain weight eating health and technically lose weight eating unhealthy, it is a completely irrelevant point.
                No, it's the most relevant thing possible to what I was saying. Because that's all CICO is, and that's all that matters. But then you unnecessarily add "b-b-but fat people can't stop eating over their TDEE, so they remain fat". Then I say "Right, but if they just DID eat below it, then they wouldn't remain fat", then you repeat yourself once again with "B-b-but they can't stop themselves", and we just go ad nauseam with this shit. So I'll ask you this question: If a fat person gained control of their eating habits and started eating at a caloric deficit, would they lose weight? Answer that question.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >If a fat person gained control of their eating habits and started eating at a caloric deficit, would they lose weight? Answer that question.
                Yes they would lose weight. Weight from what? How much of it was muscle? How much of it was their organs dying? How much of it was their bones, ligaments, connective tissues etc?
                No one is arguing whether or not you can lose weight. No one wants to lose weight. They want to lose their fat and be healthy AKA what OP said but you're moronic

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                It's gonna be from fat. You aren't losing 100lbs of organ weight, kid.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Oh my god, you actually proved my point where I said in this post

                https://i.imgur.com/B2O790h.png

                So? Who cares if it's "oversimplified"? Why is CICO the one thing people always choose to be autistically pedantic about? Seriously, it's as annoying as those fricking morons who feel the need to go "um, ackshually, you mean fat loss" when you say "weight loss", when it's tacitly understood by literally everyone that when someone says "losing weight" they obviously mean "losing fat", because who the frick would ever mean anything other than that in that context? Just shut the frick up and stop being pedantic little homosexuals with your unnecessary technicalities! You know what we fricking mean, so stop being autistic about it! Jesus fricking Christ.

                "Seriously, it's as annoying as those fricking morons who feel the need to go "um, ackshually, you mean fat loss" when you say "weight loss", when it's tacitly understood by literally everyone that when someone says "losing weight" they obviously mean "losing fat", because who the frick would ever mean anything other than that in that context?"

                Wow, dude, just... wow...

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Yes they would lose weight. Weight from what?
                Fat. Duh...
                >How much of it was muscle?
                Zero. Duh...
                >How much of it was their organs dying?
                None.
                >How much of it was their bones, ligaments, connective tissues etc?
                Oh, I know, the correct answer is... "all of it", right? Oh, wait, no, it's "none".
                >They want to lose their fat and be healthy
                When people say "losing weight", they mean "losing fat". This is automatically understood by everyone, so why isn't it understood by you? How can you possibly be this autistic about this?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >you can eat only sugar and be healthy
                the final form of that CICOfatty has revealed himself

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >you can eat only sugar and be healthy
                Nope. Literally nothing was said about sugar or healthiness. You're gonna have to try harder than that to strawman me, dude. Now, while you CAN'T only eat nothing sugar and still be healthy, you can still LOSE WEIGHT by eating nothing but sugar. Of course, you're now going to conflate "losing weight" with "being healthy" and try to make it seem like I'm saying something that I'm not actually saying, so go ahead, get on with it.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                you're the one who doesn't want to admit a sugar only diet will waste your muscles and other tissues away. You just argued in favor of that. You are moronic.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >muscle
                Sure
                >other tissues
                Not really. And good thing nobody actually eats purely sugar

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                He didn't say that, or even anything approximating it. You are a disingenuous pilpul-ing homosexual.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Yes they would lose weight. Weight from what?
                Fat. Duh...
                >How much of it was muscle?
                Zero. Duh...
                >How much of it was their organs dying?
                None.
                >How much of it was their bones, ligaments, connective tissues etc?
                Oh, I know, the correct answer is... "all of it", right? Oh, wait, no, it's "none".
                >They want to lose their fat and be healthy
                When people say "losing weight", they mean "losing fat". This is automatically understood by everyone, so why isn't it understood by you? How can you possibly be this autistic about this?

                >Yes they would lose weight. Weight from what?
                Fat. Duh...
                >How much of it was muscle?
                Zero. Duh...

                hmmm maybe stfu Black person lol

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                That response was about someone eating a caloric deficit, not eating only sugar. Can you go even one single post without lying or misrepresenting your contradictors?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                [...]
                >Yes they would lose weight. Weight from what?
                Fat. Duh...
                >How much of it was muscle?
                Zero. Duh...

                hmmm maybe stfu Black person lol

                Uh, bro, my question was "If a fat person gained control of their eating habits and started eating at a caloric deficit, would they lose weight? Answer that question." My question wasn't "if a person only ate sugar and took everything to the absolute extreme, would they lose weight?" Also, you answered that yes, they would lose weight, which is the only thing that mattered.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                it really is difficulty discussing hypotheticals with sub 100 iq tardos. My bad, I get it, you're not capable.
                >If a fat person gained control of their eating habits
                that is what we're discussing, what ARE good habits? Energy is one of the least important aspects of diet. You literally admit it in your own argument but you're too stupid to see it.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >it really is difficulty discussing hypotheticals with sub 100 iq tardos. My bad, I get it, you're not capable
                Says the guy who can't grasp the basics of what we're saying and ends misinterpreting eveything at every point.
                >that is what we're discussing, what ARE good habits
                You know what they are. Stop being willfully ignorant.
                >Energy is one of the least important aspects of diet.
                No, it's one of the most important, as far as weight control is concerned.
                >You literally admit it in your own argument but you're too stupid to see it.
                I actually don't, but you're too stupid to see it.

                >logical implications of your theory is a straw man
                back to int brainlet

                It's not a logical implication when the implication isn't even present in the first place, you fricking moron. Someone saying "you technically CAN lose weight by eating only sugar, but you shouldn't" is nowhere even close to implying that you SHOULD do it and that it's healthy. That is such a huge fricking leap in logic, bro. Stop being dumb. Stop making inferences based on shit that isn't there!

                From reading this thread as an outsider my conclusion is

                >pro CICO posters are either autistic or just want to win an argument really badly
                >anti CICO posters are logical posters basing the idea of CICO in the real world or atleast in an environment that would ever actually occur

                BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! Ah, I hope you're baiting right now. Thanks for the laugh.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >EXECRISE

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >argue with CICO homosexual
                >be surprised when exercise gets discussed
                the absolute state of /fat/

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I have nothing against exercice, but execrise?
                have a nice day you are a stupid nonwhite manlet

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Hey person with down syndrome, just be smarter.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Are you leaking food out of your stomach, you fricking moron?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                If youre stuffying yourself with carbs your body wont tap into fat stores for energy.

                Even if you calorie restrict, it will just lower metabolism rather than use fat before glycogen.

                CICO fails because it doesnt address the fact that fat stores arent used unless glycogen depleted

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Wrong. The body is constantly using a mixture of fat and glucose for energy.

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >doesnt know how to calculate TDEE
    >seethes online
    fatties failing at life as usual, kek

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >did CICO on a deficit
    >lost 10kg/22lbs

    Explain?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Dieting just to avoid being overweight is literally fatphobia.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        It might just be fitophilia.
        have a nice day.

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Show me an obese prisoner in auschwitz, devil digits.

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    nah you are

  14. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    CICO DOESN'T WORK BECAUSE OF ME

  15. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    CICO as an exact formula is false. Anecdotally we see this when people complain about cutting “calories” but not losing “weight”. Slowly more people are going online explaining this scientifically. CICO being false doesn’t mean that eating less might not induce weight loss. It just won’t be the way CICO says it will be. But, but, tHe fIrSt lAw oF ThErMoDyNaMiCs. Lol, it’s just a theory when applied to animals.

    To be scientific, talk about energy measured in Joules, and mass measured in grams. For an animal to lose mass it has to ingest less mass and or expel extra mass. A kJ has no mass.

    What about people who say they lost weight by consuming fewer calories - what they did in fact was consume less mass. So stop being b***hes and listen to your betters

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It's always hilarious when morons like you speak so matter of fact and confidently about shit that you're just straight up wrong about. It's so embarrassing.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I am so sorry that the public school system failed you and you never learned how cellular respiration works

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      You're a moron.
      >muh a kJ has no mass
      >muh they consumed less mass
      Oh really, because if some guy was to eat 5 kilos of dirt, they would gain weight because "more mass", right? moron. Using kJ when talking about food implies material that can be converted into energy by the human body, not just random shit that has weight and energy. When people say they lost weight by consuming fewer calories, they mean they lost weight by eating less of the stuff that the body can metabolize, which does mean less weight but also automatically means fewer calories. It may come as a surprise to your little pea brain, but there's a very tight connection between weight and stored energy.
      I swear to god, you hamplanets will go to any length to excuse your fat asses.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      1 gram of fat has 9 calories. 1 gram of carbs or protein has 4.

      You're a fricking moron.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      you typed the opposing argument in caps and lowercase, you did not invalidate it.

  16. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    who cares if it's oversimplified? it works. I ate more, i gained weight because that's what i needed. my fat roommate ate less, therefore he lost weight.

  17. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    No, it’s not. Gaining and losing weight is truly as simple as “am I consuming more calories than I’m burning?” You’re not a 1 in a billion person with some kind of disorder that prevents your body from burning fat, even if you’re starving. You’re just a fatass who refuses to do basic addition.

  18. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Kek these threads always bring in a bunch of twinks whos only claim to any achievement is thinking their amazing willpower is why they arent fat

  19. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    There is nothing out there disproving it. Saying CICO is wrong is a ketolard scam because somehow they have to try to justify telling people to eat most calorie dense and unhealthy slop in existence.

  20. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Holy shit the unironically coping fatties on this thread
    What should we do to rid IST of this plague? Make everyone eat a serving of broccoli before they're allowed to access the site?

  21. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Are CICO negationist just larpers?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      there's so many morons here that some might actually be genuine

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I think it's the corporations paying for these disinformation threads as they take the biggest hit if this info gets out, but I have no proof other than I notice cico fastfood threads pop up at the same time. Cico works and if you want to stay satiated, then eat nutrient dense, low calorie food high in calcium, zinc, potassium, sodium etc. Sage

  22. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >CICO homosexuals think you can just drink beer and be healthy as long as you don't go over your TDE

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >bro I did the math these 10 oreos are healthy I swear

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Yeah dude this literally saved my heckin cut!

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >butter
          >flavored butter
          >contains no butter
          >ingredients: corn syrup

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/DRFkn24.jpg

      >bro I did the math these 10 oreos are healthy I swear

      https://i.imgur.com/bMJ1Xya.jpg

      >Yeah dude this literally saved my heckin cut!

      Literally no one thinks like this.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        You are blessed to never be around fatties then. The only people who can pull off a CICO based diet are people who were already eating normal food and not malnutritious, poisonous, sneed oil corn syrup food. I have a fat cousin who I've given the advice 10 times to just stop drinking soda and she never listens.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Okay, but what does that have to do with CICO somehow not fundementally working?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Because it's not helpful at all. It's like telling a poor person they should just get more money.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              It's literally nothing like that at all. It being hard for someone to stop eating has no bearing on whether CICO as mechanism for weight loss works or not.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/DRFkn24.jpg

      >bro I did the math these 10 oreos are healthy I swear

      >confusing weight with other health aspects

  23. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    CICO is baby's first fitness and health concept. With a fatass you really can't go beyond that. First you have to get them to stop eating less calories of the same garbage they've been eating all their life. Then, if the disgusting fricking whales actually stick to it and lose weight, you can get them to stop eating zogchow little by little until it's gone for good from their life. If you drop both these ideas on them at the same time they won't even bother, their brains are broken from all the junk food, discipline is an alien concept for them.

  24. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Let me guess, your weight has nothing to do with you being a butter huffing moron.

  25. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >you WILL drink ze sneed oil
    >you WILL eat ze bugs

  26. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    ketoschizo is evolving, is becoming a form of micro celebrity

  27. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6241122/
    >just CICO bro

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Furthermore, due to the assessment of alcohol consumption relying on prior clinical evaluation in the medical records, it cannot be ruled out that individual patients may have exceeded cut-off limits for alcohol consumption (20 g/d for women and 30 g/d for men)
      >Finally, the effect of weight gain on NAFLD could not be considered, which would have been interesting, as a previous study suggested, that in patients suffering from anorexia with severe malnutrition, steatosis especially occurred in the process of refeeding

      What point are you making here?

  28. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >this fricking thread
    I don’t think ketoschizo can read good, bros

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I think we hurt his feelings too much. Poor fella. He must crying his eyes out right now.

  29. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >CICO is law
    >The calories on a nutrition label don't always relate to CALORIES IN 1:1 because the human body is not a bomb calorimeter, but are a good estimation 99% of the time
    >TDEE varies a lot with hormones, activity level, weather, muscle mass, blood pressure, blood volume, etc. etc.
    >TDEE calculators suck ass
    >Diet macros and micros alone can effect TDEE
    All of these things can be true at the same time

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      This post is by far the most well thought-out and coherent out of any post in this thread. Well said, anon. Can't believe it took 150 posts for that lol.

  30. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The biggest loser is the ultimate case point of CICO and they ALL gain it back, at absolute best in the perfect environment CICO is extremely temporary

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      They gain the weight back because they start eating at a surplus again.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      This is another moronic argument that c**ts make that I fricking hate, because you make it seem like their relapse is the fault of CICO, when it's the fault of their lack of self-control. At that point, it wouldn't even matter what diet you put them on. If they don't have the discipline to eat at or below maintenance on CICO, then they're not gonna have the discipline to do it on any other diet either. It's not CICOs fault, it's the fault of the person.

  31. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    It's also the most succinct explanation for losing weight and all the additional bells and whistles have been co-opted by grifters and influencers trying to sell you something. Anti cico gays have to construct strawmen like "but wot if u ate nothing but cake, cico btfo" as a preface so some moronic meme diet.

    Cico + self made food with a bro science catalog of recipes is enough for healthy weight loss. All the keto and fasting and other stuff only works because of cico, it is the fundamental principal to weight loss even if it is not the only one.

  32. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Why obsess over calories when you can just eat more or less to gain or lose weight?

  33. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Damn bros those fat people just dont have our amazing willpower *smug smile*

  34. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    From reading this thread as an outsider my conclusion is

    >pro CICO posters are either autistic or just want to win an argument really badly
    >anti CICO posters are logical posters basing the idea of CICO in the real world or atleast in an environment that would ever actually occur

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      t. OP posting from McDonalds wifi

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        It actually is OP and I havnt replied itt since the first post as ive been at work BUT im only telling you this because look at the digits both posts

        From reading this thread as an outsider my conclusion is

        >pro CICO posters are either autistic or just want to win an argument really badly
        >anti CICO posters are logical posters basing the idea of CICO in the real world or atleast in an environment that would ever actually occur

        https://i.imgur.com/Jf1fk4X.jpg

        Cico is probably the most moronic oversimplification in fitness

        Actual insanity

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >b-but the numbers make me right!
          Sorry, but I got dubs twice in a row. Therefore my argument is righter. End of

          >removes the skin to win an argument

          You people are deranged

          >n-nooo you can't just do that!
          You were so smug with your reply, lmao. I accept your concession.

  35. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    At this rate I'm sure we'll witness the first CICO terror attack in the next couple of years, you people are deranged.

  36. 1 year ago
    Anonymous
  37. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >anon why are you holding these hostages what do you want?
    *shrieks in a nasally voice*
    >I WANT TO PROVE THE WORLD THAT THE HUMAN BODY OBEYS THE LAWS OF THERMODYNAMICS
    *sets fire to an innocent woman and her child*
    >SEE? CICO IS REAL I TOLD YOU

  38. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Wait... did anyone else smell that?

    It cant be...

    The deranged cico poster spamming this thread is the anti keto poster! I knew it!!!

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I'm sure there's at least a couple of us

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Theres one spaz who blows up any keto thread any time ever, similar to the troony who stalks any thread that mentions sam hyde, you sometimes forget where you are and how many genuine spergs are here

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          yeah that guy is no fun, I just call CICO culbreasts and insult myself a few posts later

  39. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    For people who don't believe in CICO what do you think the mechanism behind weightloss is? For CICO it's pretty simple, if you consume fewer calories than you use your body makes up the difference by consuming some of your weight into energy - straightforward, easy to understand mechanism. But if you don't think that works what causes weightloss? Like do you think that if you eat the right combination of food it triggers a chemical reaction causing your fat to evaporate?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I dont think anyone thinks in the perfect system it doesnt work, you just have to apply theories to the real world for it to be worth a shit and that there are a million other factors involved with weight loss or weight gain,

      The OP said its a moronic oversimplification, the CICO spazzes here didnt understand that but saying do CICO to lose weight is literally like telling a poor person to save more to cure being poor

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >saying do CICO to lose weight is literally like telling a poor person to save more to cure being poor
        No it isn't. Stop using these moronic fricking analogies. It's nothing fricking like it.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Its exactly like it and your iq is too low to understand why, that doesnt make it incorrect

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      why magick, sorcery, and mental gymnastics of course

  40. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >eats 3k calories of fruit per day
    >looks like this

    BuT it'S toTaLlY CICO

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      She obviously doesn't actually eat 3000 calories of fruit or anywhere close to it. You shouldn't even need to be told something so obvious. Stop being dumb.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        She has multiple videos of her pounding down thousands of calories.

        >b-b-but she's probably just puking or something!

        ScienceTM whorshipers like you will never be convinced.

        Pic related, yet another one who eats an insane amount every day and is shredded.

        Keep austistically counting calories lol

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          You're debunking yourself at this point.

          Strange and muddled take. Do you by chance count cans for a living? If not you should. Not him by the way.

          >Lost weight using different method
          >Somehow this makes me a pathetic loser who refuses to take accountability for his own shitty choices
          The roids are rotting your brain.

          [...]
          He knows more about the human body than you ever will.

          He's a pathetic loser for blaming CICO for somehow not working when he wasn't even doing it correctly in the first place. Seriously, why do you stupid c**ts need constant clarification on everything that is said, no matter how clear what I'm saying is? And even after you recieve the clarification, you still fail to understand it anyway. What is wrong with you morons? Seriously.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >You're debunking yourself at this point.
            You have no rebuttal.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Because you rebutted yourself when you said ">b-b-but she's probably just puking or something!" Because, yeah, she obviously is. You made the argument for me, dumbass.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                cope harder

                CICOgays are in a cult.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I fail to see how it's cultish to say "if you eat at a 1000 calorie deficit, you'll lose fat, and if you eat at a 1000 calorie surplus, you'll gain fat". I mean, that's just how it works, bro. I fail to see where the contention lies.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                You ACTUALLY believe you're in either a 1000 calorie surplus or deficit though.

                >hurr durr muh calorimeter calories are LITERALLY how my body process food!

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Food kcals aren't calculated by raw bomb calorimetry. Look up Atwater process you disingenuous evil lying weirdo

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >ScienceTM whorshipers like you will never be convinced.
          The thing that really pisses me off about those people is that they actually know almost no science. CICO trannies never talk about factors like hormones, gut biome, or glycemic load that we know for a fact are important for someone trying to lose fat. It's just like the vax maxers who think everyone else needs to take a vaccine that doesn't prevent infection or spread of COVID so that their vaccine that doesn't prevent infection or spread of COVID to work.

          https://i.imgur.com/HWdviNW.jpg

          This guy eats lots of fruit (sugar) every day and looks way better than "Doctor" Ekgay.

          What's your point? Ekberg is anti-goyslop, not anti-carb:

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Dude there is no way any human eats 3000kcal fruit and veggie a day, that’s like 20kg. Fricking idiot

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            She LITERALLY ate over 5,000 calories worth of bananas in that video you fricking idiot.

            High calorie fruit exists.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Nuh uh, frickwit. Go count how many kilos that is

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous
        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Dude I eat 3000kcal per day and I'm lean at ~12% bodyfat
          I'm ACTIVE ENOUGH that this is still around my maintenance level - that's the calories OUT part you mouth breather

  41. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I ate complex carbs and meat for a year and lost 100lbs while at a 500 calorie deficit and doing mild cardio, I didn't think much about it. I mostly eyeballed it too, I didn't weigh out each meal. It's easy. It works. That's all that matters. Do what works and is easy. If this doesn't work and isn't easy, do something else.

  42. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    You say this because you have no self control.
    Once you know how much you can eat in a day to maintain, it's not fricking rocket science to figure that cutting 10-20% of total calories will cause reasonable fat loss and that adding 10-20% will be conducive to lean mass gains.
    Literally, CICO has always ruled over all the meme shit that people use for excuses or "this diet is the one that works" shit.
    Stop being a homosexual, learn 2 track your shit, be reasonable and honest with yourself and don't lie, and you too can CICO your way to where you want to go.

  43. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >counting calories
    >not eating roundmeal

  44. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah it's a little simplified, but Energy In Energy Out accounts for the rest of it.
    The largest lever people have in changing the equation is how much food they put in their mouths. It really is that simple.

    https://bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/the-energy-balance-equation

  45. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Starve yourself for 20 days. Nothing but water, and if you don’t lose weight I’ll concede that CICO doesn’t work.

    Otherwise, put down your fricking fork you fatty

  46. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    So we're all just going to do the same thread over again tomorrow, right?

  47. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    There's two arguments made by CICOgays. One is just restating the first law of thermodynamics. The other is that you can eat anything, goyslop included, and still lose weight. When challenged that eating basedbean oil and HFCS laden goyslop is not a sustainable way to lose weight CICOgays retreat to the first argument. "Nu-uh, it's THERMODYNAMICS after all".

    All I know is that israelites love CICO because no one is going to autistically weigh every single thing they eat long term and will instead rely on ~~*prepackaged foods*~~ with convenient calorie counts.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >When challenged that eating basedbean oil and HFCS laden goyslop is not a sustainable way to lose weight
      It quite literally is. You can eat literally any substance and the end result will be weight loss if the digestible caloric content is less than your tdee. The other affects the substances you ingest have on your body (change in body composition, cancer, immediate death, etc) do not change the basic and indisputable fact that you will lose weight if the digestible calories you consume are less than what you burn.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Sure but it isn't sustainable. Your body will crave missed nutrients and drive you to binge. So CICO is not really good advice because it's an oversimplification that leaves out the part where you have to eat healthy to make a deficit sustainable.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Don't bother, that terminally online roid troony is a lost cause.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >b-but I don’t have the willpower to not binge
          That’s not the fault of cico. It’s your own fault for being a weak willed brainlet. It’s not advisable to eat only goyslop and follow cico. That said, it would absolutely lead to weight loss if you followed it consistently.

  48. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Daily reminder that this is the person making these threads
    kys fatty

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