Yeah but most cardio bunnies usually just want.... cardio, they don't care about building muscle and doesn't care about the arm/back strength this machine gives
Yeah but most cardio bunnies usually just want.... cardio, they don't care about building muscle and doesn't care about the arm/back strength this machine gives
>aren't they 10x better cardio than running and you get a good upper body workout too
No. I actually row varsity for my university so I know what I'm talking about. Rowing is 60 percent legs, 30 back, 10 percent arms. If you're getting a killer upper body workout, you have shit form on the erg. Which is most people, outside of other rowers, I have never seen a regular person use a rowing machine correctly when I'm at the gym
Highly accurate. Rowed for my uni and can't help but see it every time I see someone on one. I've seen maybe three people do it right in the past 5 years.
to be fair ergs do more arms than other cardio like running or cycling though. And even working the back that is still a bonus in the way it's being asked about
>people find them kinda boring for more than 20 minutes
I’d argue that they’re about as boring as any other cardio machine. If you’re not running or biking outside, you’re still stuck on a machine doing the same repetitive movement for a long time. Sure you could watch something on a bike or treadmill but if you’re able to focus on watching then you’re probably also distracting yourself from putting in more effort
>if you’re able to focus on watching then you’re probably also distracting yourself from putting in more effort
you only need 60% of max heartrate for maximum cardio gains
Spinning bike >Doesn't take much room >You can maintain steady pace and therefore heart rate at all times >You can watch tv or whatever the frick it is you do while working out >You can crank up the resistance all the way to the max and do hypertrophy workout for your legs >If you frick up your back, shoulders or whatever, you can still workout with the bike >can be aesthetic as frick
what do you mean by that
on the type of bike you mentioned, there is a flywheel. resistance is proportional to the weight of the wheel. there can be an air resistance component or the wheel could be tightly shrouded making it close to nothing.
You are thinking of an air bike really. those have unlimited resistance
I got a concept 2 rower for my home gym, and I'm very happy with it. I got the tall legs for it. I wouldn't suggest the tall version, it adds nothing and just takes up more space
>the first time and my traps were burning. is that normal or is my form fricked?
form is fricked, you are probably opening your back too early, check erg form videos online for tips.
I once bought one. Thought I would like it, but didn't and sold it after awhile. The one I had had a tank filled with water to supposedly make it more like real rowing, but the resistance only went so high and there was a line you weren't supposed to put water higher than. Presumably something could break if you do that? I wanted to go higher for more resistance. Adjusting the the resistance involves siphoning out water or pouring water in so you never really adjust it because it's annoying to do.
I've since switched to bikes where you adjust resistance with a press of the button and can easily set up a routine where you are progressing.
On the rowing machine I think it had some simple computer to guess at calories burned but other than that there was no real way to measure progression with the thing. But, it was okay though. I wouldn't mind doing some rowing right now come to think of it. Too bad I sold it.
I bike about 80 miles/week outside Spring/Summer/Fall but riding outside in the middle of winter or bad weather is really unpleasant. Below 50F or so your ears freeze, in the rain your feet get soaked and cold, and snow is dangerous because you never know when there is a patch of ice underneath.
So yeah I have an indoor trainer to which I can attach my mountain bike and watch movies while I train.
Posters here are luddite morons that don't actually do anything IRL. I have the opposite problem you have. It's too hot to do outdoor cardio during the summer where I live. I go hike on the near-by mountain several days a week during the nice months, but I'm not waking up at 4am to hit the mountain while it's simultaneous dark and 100° out. Frick that. I'll incline treadmill during my lunch or after work.
>'m not waking up at 4am to hit the mountain while it's simultaneous dark and 100° out. Frick that. I'll incline treadmill during my lunch or after work.
I feel ya, used to live in Texas.
What movies/TV shows/anime/etc do you guys watch while training indoors? I find that I get a lot more pumped up and can bike for 80 minutes indoors if I am watching brain candy movies/shows that bugmen refer to as "testosterone poisoning":
Fast & Furious series
Rush
Days of Thunder
Ford vs Ferrari
Top Gun
Predator
The good Rocky movies
300
Gladiator
Braveheart
I listen to trance music and try to lower my HR as much as possible and maintain a sort-of meditative state. I've found that the exciting parts of movies will spike my HR. I'm judging my performance by my hr avg and variability, so spiking it because of an exciting scene or a hot chick isn't for me. I like having absolutely nothing to be responsible for or think about for an hour or two. Sorry for not answering your question, lol.
>in the rain your feet get soaked and cold, and snow is dangerous because you never know when there is a patch of ice underneath.
It's like driving cars. Shit conditions require slower speed
Had a concept D and while it was a good workout, I just found it very boring. Tried bringing it outside to get some fresh air doing it in my backyard and still was just too boring, some how more so than a normal treadmill.
I just sold it and did the sane thing which was to run trails 5 miles a day. Much more engaging and refreshing.
Bought one and had the opposite experience. Definitely think it's the best cardio equipment. When I learned to correct my form, it became more engaging and fun.
Also had a spinning bike but I think it's even more boring. But not as boring as running.
It has no transfer to real life unless you're into rowing for sport. I do incline treadmill walking with a pack as my cardio because I'm into hiking and hunting. If my knees aren't feeling it I'll do some elliptical. I don't understand the point of getting better at rowing on an erg for the sake of getting better at rowing on an erg. You might burn more calories per minute on an erg than me on a treadmill but I'm not trying to optimize for caloric expenditure.
Did a lot of rowing summer 2020 and getting back into it. Im so fricked lol I could do like 2x25min sessions with a 5min break at like a 2:06 split and now I struggle to do that for like 6min.
Why is Tom Holland grinding wheat on that medieval contraption?
HOLY HEK
There's like 10 of them at my gym and rarely ever used, I see maybe one being used once a month.
They are incredible for gains and/or cardio and can be a real killer but I think people find them kinda boring for more than 20 minutes
aren't they 10x better cardio than running and you get a good upper body workout too
Yeah but most cardio bunnies usually just want.... cardio, they don't care about building muscle and doesn't care about the arm/back strength this machine gives
>aren't they 10x better cardio than running and you get a good upper body workout too
No. I actually row varsity for my university so I know what I'm talking about. Rowing is 60 percent legs, 30 back, 10 percent arms. If you're getting a killer upper body workout, you have shit form on the erg. Which is most people, outside of other rowers, I have never seen a regular person use a rowing machine correctly when I'm at the gym
Highly accurate. Rowed for my uni and can't help but see it every time I see someone on one. I've seen maybe three people do it right in the past 5 years.
to be fair ergs do more arms than other cardio like running or cycling though. And even working the back that is still a bonus in the way it's being asked about
>people find them kinda boring for more than 20 minutes
I’d argue that they’re about as boring as any other cardio machine. If you’re not running or biking outside, you’re still stuck on a machine doing the same repetitive movement for a long time. Sure you could watch something on a bike or treadmill but if you’re able to focus on watching then you’re probably also distracting yourself from putting in more effort
>if you’re able to focus on watching then you’re probably also distracting yourself from putting in more effort
you only need 60% of max heartrate for maximum cardio gains
what's the best cardio option for a homegym with limited space?
I'm leaning towards a concept 2 rower over a treadmill/bike because I can run outside and I have a track bike already.
Spinning bike
>Doesn't take much room
>You can maintain steady pace and therefore heart rate at all times
>You can watch tv or whatever the frick it is you do while working out
>You can crank up the resistance all the way to the max and do hypertrophy workout for your legs
>If you frick up your back, shoulders or whatever, you can still workout with the bike
>can be aesthetic as frick
how does a spin bike differ from a assault bike or air bike?
Resistance proportional to effort
what do you mean by that
on the type of bike you mentioned, there is a flywheel. resistance is proportional to the weight of the wheel. there can be an air resistance component or the wheel could be tightly shrouded making it close to nothing.
You are thinking of an air bike really. those have unlimited resistance
but spinning is super gay anon
I got a concept 2 rower for my home gym, and I'm very happy with it. I got the tall legs for it. I wouldn't suggest the tall version, it adds nothing and just takes up more space
you need god tier sleep to use one
Second best after swimming so is really good but remember to have solid form and not frick up your back.
tried it for the first time and my traps were burning. is that normal or is my form fricked?
using too much arms
>the first time and my traps were burning. is that normal or is my form fricked?
form is fricked, you are probably opening your back too early, check erg form videos online for tips.
assault bike is better
I once bought one. Thought I would like it, but didn't and sold it after awhile. The one I had had a tank filled with water to supposedly make it more like real rowing, but the resistance only went so high and there was a line you weren't supposed to put water higher than. Presumably something could break if you do that? I wanted to go higher for more resistance. Adjusting the the resistance involves siphoning out water or pouring water in so you never really adjust it because it's annoying to do.
I've since switched to bikes where you adjust resistance with a press of the button and can easily set up a routine where you are progressing.
On the rowing machine I think it had some simple computer to guess at calories burned but other than that there was no real way to measure progression with the thing. But, it was okay though. I wouldn't mind doing some rowing right now come to think of it. Too bad I sold it.
You pull harder for more resistance you fricking mong.
>needing machines to do cardio
peak bugman
cardio?
machines to do cardio
>peak bugman
I bike about 80 miles/week outside Spring/Summer/Fall but riding outside in the middle of winter or bad weather is really unpleasant. Below 50F or so your ears freeze, in the rain your feet get soaked and cold, and snow is dangerous because you never know when there is a patch of ice underneath.
So yeah I have an indoor trainer to which I can attach my mountain bike and watch movies while I train.
Posters here are luddite morons that don't actually do anything IRL. I have the opposite problem you have. It's too hot to do outdoor cardio during the summer where I live. I go hike on the near-by mountain several days a week during the nice months, but I'm not waking up at 4am to hit the mountain while it's simultaneous dark and 100° out. Frick that. I'll incline treadmill during my lunch or after work.
>'m not waking up at 4am to hit the mountain while it's simultaneous dark and 100° out. Frick that. I'll incline treadmill during my lunch or after work.
I feel ya, used to live in Texas.
What movies/TV shows/anime/etc do you guys watch while training indoors? I find that I get a lot more pumped up and can bike for 80 minutes indoors if I am watching brain candy movies/shows that bugmen refer to as "testosterone poisoning":
Fast & Furious series
Rush
Days of Thunder
Ford vs Ferrari
Top Gun
Predator
The good Rocky movies
300
Gladiator
Braveheart
Starting to run out of options
I listen to trance music and try to lower my HR as much as possible and maintain a sort-of meditative state. I've found that the exciting parts of movies will spike my HR. I'm judging my performance by my hr avg and variability, so spiking it because of an exciting scene or a hot chick isn't for me. I like having absolutely nothing to be responsible for or think about for an hour or two. Sorry for not answering your question, lol.
Wall-E
lil homie gets me hyped like you wouldnt believe
Rome on HBO is this for me when lifting. Cardio I like audio books/podcasts
Multiple people have recommended Rome so I'll give it a shot
Rome (HBO show), Rambo (all of them), Terminator 1&2, Highlander, Conan, Under Siege, Star-Trek, most of the James Bond films, the list goes on.
>in the rain your feet get soaked and cold, and snow is dangerous because you never know when there is a patch of ice underneath.
It's like driving cars. Shit conditions require slower speed
>agender human
stopped reading right there, I just can't
Had a concept D and while it was a good workout, I just found it very boring. Tried bringing it outside to get some fresh air doing it in my backyard and still was just too boring, some how more so than a normal treadmill.
I just sold it and did the sane thing which was to run trails 5 miles a day. Much more engaging and refreshing.
What? Why not just put on some music or TV if it's so boring?
Bought one and had the opposite experience. Definitely think it's the best cardio equipment. When I learned to correct my form, it became more engaging and fun.
Also had a spinning bike but I think it's even more boring. But not as boring as running.
It has no transfer to real life unless you're into rowing for sport. I do incline treadmill walking with a pack as my cardio because I'm into hiking and hunting. If my knees aren't feeling it I'll do some elliptical. I don't understand the point of getting better at rowing on an erg for the sake of getting better at rowing on an erg. You might burn more calories per minute on an erg than me on a treadmill but I'm not trying to optimize for caloric expenditure.
Water rowers are good for ASMR. I like closing my eyes and just listening to the sound of the waves as I row.
I have a Concept 2 and love it. I row a 10k at least six days a week when I'm on a rowing program and listen to audio books while I row.
I do alternate between rowing and running (it's a hilly 7.4 km loop) because I like having the ability to run at a decent clip.
Inferior to rowing weights.
>concept 2
Based
>every other kind (including actually rowing a boat)
Cringe
Did a lot of rowing summer 2020 and getting back into it. Im so fricked lol I could do like 2x25min sessions with a 5min break at like a 2:06 split and now I struggle to do that for like 6min.
which body parts can actually make noticeable gains in if you're skinny and don't do any other strength training?
it doesn't seem like rowing machines do much to shoulders and arms
any other cardio machines that work out the arms/shoulders very well? im not a fan of weightlifting