Could you take 1997 Mike in a fight? he's 5'10 218lbs
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Rocky Marciano was better
The guy fought mostly bums and in a much easier era with less than a quarter the skill Tyson has.
You whybois always be bringing up Marciano.
>You whybois always be bringing up Marciano.
That's a thing? I heard of this Marciano guy last week and wanted to race bait
>1:22
Tyson could not hack it today, Black personboy. Boxing turned international and few Black folk have what it takes. Besides, Tyson would lose against a decent wrestler. There is literally nothing he could do about it.
This is true but can you imagine how good of a wrestler he would have made?
Would he though? I don't see why.
You mma junkies are so fricking moronic, like bruh you act as if ANY mediocre grappler or kickboxer can all of a sudden beat Prime Mike Tyson who was arguably the greatest heavyweights all of time. Like bruh ask me how I know you haven't competed competitively in ANY MARTIAL ART much less having ever trained one for at least a year like bro shut up
>ANY mediocre grappler
Has a very good chance of beating him.
>kickboxer
No, not really.
>who was arguably the greatest heavyweights all of time.
Delusional.
If Mike Tyson doesn't know any grappling he will most likely lose against a decent grappler. I dare you to take on a wrestler without any previous training and see how it goes.
That's the thing tho I'm not a professional heavyweight who has over 50 wins and trained by Cus, I'm still an amateur boxer.
Maybe if we're pitting amateurs against amateurs ye the wresting dudes would win like 8/10 times but Mike Tyson was a HALL OF FAME boxer, along with Ali he is the FACE of boxing for the average person who isn't deep into the sport. And honestly any wrestler who's dumb enough to go for a leg takedown from the get go will eat a mean uppercut, it's not easy as you make it out to be. Maybe if you mentioned another boxer who wasn't a powerhouse and didn't exude so much pressure on his opponents then I'd probably side with you no debate. No just any wrestler is beating Tyson, decent doesn't cut it you'd have to be a professional minimum
Great strikers get destroyed by grapplers all the time for being stupid. Rhonda Rousey is one of the better examples, she cleaned house on better fighters because she focused on taking them down and submitting them. When she went against Holly Holm, a professional boxer with 40+ professional boxing matches, someone in her corner told her her stand-up was good enough, and she tried to play the striking game with Holm, she got knocked the frick out. If Rousey had just stuck with her old formula, takedown, armbar, she most likely would’ve won.
Only boomers bring up Marciano. These two would wipe the floor with Mike Tyson in 97'
>le slow jab bros
they would get destroyed in a real fight
Cope. Manlet Tyson wouldn't even get close to Fury
Damn that nig got destroyed
Lennox Lewis fricked him up easily using that method
Doubt.
Lennox beats both
>Klitschko, a 4–1 underdog, dominated the early going with many harder punches. He stunned Lewis in the second round with two hard rights, leaving a cut under Lewis's left eye.[39] In the third, Lewis landed a big right hand that opened a deep cut above Klitschko's left eye.[39] Before the seventh round, the ringside doctor inspected the wound and deemed it severe enough to threaten eye damage if struck again, stopping the fight despite Klitschko's pleas to continue. Klitschko was ahead on all three judges' scorecards 58–56 (4 rounds to 2) at the time of the stoppage, but because the wound was a result of punches from Lewis, Lewis won by technical knockout.
Vitaly was better. Lennox got a lucky cut.
Lennox was on his way out and barely trained for that fight.
Sounds like bullshit to me.
lennox lewis would hit that pikey BUM so hard, Hughie, Dewie, Louis and Tommy would feel it
Tyson Fury is better.
Marciano had a great career and was a great champion. Tyson was ultimately a frick up an a waste of talent. If anything it was tyson who fought bums- even though it isn't entirely his fault he was fighting bums- he fought who was there to fight.
Having said that someone like Marciano never fought someone like Tyson obviously. In his prime he was a great boxer, but never a great champion.
Tyson was too fricked up to ever be a great champion. He couldn't go five seconds with self destructing without Cus' crew breathing breathing down his neck. Tyson had immense talent and skill, but just didn't remotely have the makings of a great like Marciano. Tyson wishes he was a champion like Marciano or Louis.
Rocky Marciano was good, but compared to Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano ain't shit!
bruh... tyson would literally kill him lmao
Shut the frick up, gay. There was no Ali, Tyson, Holmes, or Foreman in Rocky's era. He'd be dead if there was.
Redundant info if he was 4'11 130 he'd still rape 99.9% of people on here
The 0.1% would be too ugly to ever be raped
if by take you mean take a punch and get knocked out instantly, yes
no you moron it's fricking Mike Tyson
if my boxing class in uni doesn't make us spar should I ditch them and find a gym?
I feel like I won't learn to dodge effectively anytime soon
definitely, what's the point of boxing without sparring(without head gear if possible )
You have to get used to pain from punches.
You have to spar, once a week minimum
Yes, he's a boxlet
No? No one here could unless there HAPPENS to be some elite level fighter that is possibly also a higher weight class and not fighting under boxing rules.
Boxers lose against grapplers everytime.
Yeah I agree but it'd still take a very high level grappler to take on the top boxer in his prime.
I really don't think so. The difference between an avearge grappler and a complete novice is massive. The novice is like a fish out of water and has literally no chance.
If Mike knows he's fighting in MMA rules, I think he'd work on his grappling with the same intensity as his boxing. He could be pretty scary on the ground in a pretty short amount of time. Or just grab a dozen D1 wrestlers and pay them to shoot on him over and over again until he can defend the takedown.
Now you are talking aout Tyson in MMA. You are literally making up a story in your head about how good he would be. Why? Are you moronic?
"What would Mike as an MMA fighter be like?" is a more interesting question than this moronic thread.
Why? Because you, the fanboy, thinks so? Keep your fantasies to yourself.
Because, if anyone in this thread actually does combat sports, they're hobbyist BJJ blue belts, 5'10" 175#. They're at a massive size disadvantage, have never been hit hard, and have mediocre takedown skills.
Nothing but the truth here, I'd go as far as to say anyone on this board who does wrestling ain't even a high level amateur and probably gets tapped out everyday in his gym
Even if the grappler usually beats the striker, Mike was a phenom with notoriously heavy hands, great infighting, and fast, aggressive footwork. Mike would be in your face, leaving you with little opportunity to set up your shot.
There's no shame in getting heemed by him, especially since he's probably stronger, faster, and has better cardio than (You).
James Toney is more of a shoulder roll and counterpunch guy. I think it would be easier to set up a shot on him. Tyson's aggression from the bell would make more difficult to deal with.
There you go, making stuff up again because it suits you. moron.
Statistically this is probably true but I made a point to never pull guard or start seated at white belt.
If you didn’t know, Forrest Griffin lurks on this site. We went to the same gym together in and had some interesting conversations.
is this Forrest Griffin in the room with us right now?
Yes but we aren't talking about just grappling. We're talking about fighting.
Boxers do not do well in MMA for a reason.
Fricking idiots on this board.
Randy is a very good wrestler. Very few people can consistently place in international tournaments for a decade. Your average amateur fighter is nowhere near that accomplished, skilled, or disciplined.
Boxers and strikers didn't do well against mediocre grapplers in early UFC either. Your stupidity is tiresome.
I'm not arguing that boxing is better than grappling you dumb illiterate mother fricker. But you do have to be a really good grappler to beat a .01 percentile boxer in a fight.
Not true if that .01 precentile boxer doesn't know any grappling.
Is this JUST a jiu jitsu match or something?
This literally goes back to my FIRST post
You have a boxer against an elite level fighter. Show me James Toney fighting even the average IST guy.
But not any grappler can beat Mike Tyson fricking dumbass
'97 Mike is relatively worn out and drug addled, but still obviously not.
Probably not. My best option would be to shoot for a low single and then go for a kneebar, but I'd still probably get heemed on the way in.
Singles are for pussies. Pressure in during a clench and then drop down for the double.
>pressure in during a clinch
>with Mike Tyson
That's just asking to ripped with some of the meanest hooks and uppercuts the sport has seen.
yeah bro I started lifting last week fr fr I can beat micheal jordan easily no cap
No, I don't care for the grapplers on this board who think they are better than strikers NOBODY who frequents this board is BEATING PRIME MIKE TYSON. You guys are just fricking moronic and high off your own kool-aid
The master of peekaboo boxing? Never. Not even now. He's nearing 60 and his training videos are insane. 1/1,000,000 fighter. Quality Black person.
>mma
he'd probably break your fricking arm or leg if you tried to grab him
97 Tyson was a bum. It’s 86-88 Tyson you want, and even then he was proven to be a front runner who folds in adversity
I could kill him on one punch.
Not a single person on this entire website could take prime mike. 0. People underestimate how good professional fighters are and iron mike was a specimen even among them. He was a ridiculous combination of mass and speed. 99.9999% of people could not move around at such speed with his mass, let alone do so for an entire boxing match without being gassed. Fighting against him if you are anything but a pro fighter or like 6‘6 with perfect one shot knockout power is literally just survival mode
I would beat him with my superior speed
it's funny that when the same question was asked for whether IST could beat a lion or bear more people said they could
1997 Tyson I would have a good chance. He was very slow by then. I could use kicks to whittle him down. His cardio would be the problem. He couldn't finish me with a single punch as long as I see it coming. If you put a 1991 or earlier Mike Tyson in front of me I would say no way.
>I could use kicks to whittle him down
maybe you could use tickles
I'm 6'2, so easily.
tyrel biggs was 6'5
Yes, but he was DYEL
Take in boxing or take in a fight?
In boxing, he’d most likely knock me the frick out within three rounds. In an anything goes fight, I might be able to kick enough to set him up for a shoot, double-leg takedown, and a rear-naked choke before he could knock me out. But also, I wouldn’t want to catch one of his jabs.
childhood is thinking Ali is overrated, adulthood is coming around and realising that he really was that good mayweather is a bum and a world class duck
Ali is a legitimate great. So is Marciano. Tyson was just a really good frick up trained by a great coach.
Tyson in his prime beats Ali in his prime. Would go down worse than Ali vs Frazier I.
> Tyson in his prime beats Ali in his prime
Where? In your fricking dreams? Stop sleeping on Ali, clown. He beat Frazier AND Foreman, he'd adjust to Tyson in no time. Prime Ali goes the distance and beats prime Tyson after Tyson gasses out.
>Prime Tyson gasses out
I love when you people say this, shows what fricking ignoramuses you are, prime Tyson doesn't gas out, never did, never would
Idk prime Tyson is basically like a version of Frazier that is stronger, faster, and a better boxer imho. And Frazier beat Ali. Frazier could also take a punch though and that would be the real test for Mike Tyson.
People forget that in his prime, Tyson was a good boxer not just a puncher. D'Amato and crew basically taught him everything and kept him sharp. There is a great old clip where D'Amato is play-sparring with Ali during the period where Ali was on hiatus, and when Cus starts boxing like Frazier, it looked remarkably like Tyson's later style. I can just tell even back then he was formulating that style.
most people here couldn't take on Mike today. He's still a bad motherfricker that will sink your nose in.
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> 5'10
Lol. His tiny arms couldn’t even come close to my face.
I couldn't, but Deontay/Fury/Joshua/Usyk would easily ko him. He only faced bums in his prime, and even got ko by one of them.
Joshua five years ago maybe. Current Joshua doesn’t belong with the rest of those names.
just watch him beat Usyk/Fury/Deontay in his next 3 fights
Yes
I'm a wrestler
But I wouldn't because the resulted injuries wouldn't be worth it, so I would rather run.
That's why you shouldn't fight animals and why I'll never fight a chimp.
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Mike Tyson was a freak of nature.
the combination of his strongman genes, abusive upbringing and D'Amato tapping into his autistic childhood poverty rage brought out his talent.
it's a shame he needed a father figure to get into his head and tell him he could win. otherwise he was literally just a loose cannon that could've ended up dead or in jail
nobody on this Nigerian heroin cooking forum can take Mike Tyson in a fight moron
I want to believe that is a real product, so I'm not going to look it up.
What a manlet, LOL. I’m 6’0, I could kick his ass.
No?