>countries that eat the most carbs with very little fat have the least obesity rate

>countries that eat the most carbs with very little fat have the least obesity rate
>America (biggest fat consumer) has the most obesity at 45%

Ketolards: Carbs make you fat

Is it possible that we've all been lied to?

  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    What the fuck is so complicated about energy in energy out

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Obesity rates went from <1% in 1890 to 44% in the USA today.

      >IST actually believes everyone was just perma-starving until 1980* and no earlier rolled around

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Motherfucker what do you think increased more since 1890, caloric intake or fat intake as % of total calories consumed?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          "Saturated fat increased 18% (50–59 g), monounsaturated fat increased 71% (45–77 g), and polyunsaturated fat increased 238% (13–44 g) (Figure 2). Annual total caloric and macronutrient availability per capita from 1909 to 2010 (Source: USDA ERS)."
          https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8805510/

          Meanwhile, carb intake has gone down.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Your link literally says sugar and caloric intake increased significantly

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/4uJjkJx.jpg

        "Saturated fat increased 18% (50–59 g), monounsaturated fat increased 71% (45–77 g), and polyunsaturated fat increased 238% (13–44 g) (Figure 2). Annual total caloric and macronutrient availability per capita from 1909 to 2010 (Source: USDA ERS)."
        https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8805510/

        Meanwhile, carb intake has gone down.

        sneed oils confirmed evil

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Unironically. It's blatant that it's industrialised seed oils, correlates so well that it's bizarre people jump to other conclusions.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Massive increase in food production and accessibility
        >Proliferation of fast food chains
        >Food delivery
        >Most families now require both parents to work, making high-calorie fast food an easy way to cover for the lack of a person making home-cooked meals every day
        >Widespread availability of desserts/sweets/sodas that are high in calories, but have little nutritional value; aren't filling
        >It must be the carbs

        Motherfucker, before industrialized food production and before the accessiblity to food that we had today, people ate carbs more than anything else. Potatos, bread, all day, because it was cheap and filling. Do you thing that all that skinny people in the 1900s ate a balanced, delicated diet of pure protein and keto meals?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Most people were also peasants back then. And they still are.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I think the easy answer is that if you eat a surplus of energy, then it's not going back out.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      If the solution is known there are no longer any excuses to stay fat, so most people would rather pretend it isn't. Because debating endlessly is apparently easier than tracking what you put into your mouth for 3-9 months.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    So it's the sneed oils?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      no it's the eating the holy cow's meat benchod bastard. See in the gloriful india we don't have fat bastards

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Based Pajeet

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >hitler icecream
          thanks for reminding me

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        indians are skinnyfat. What low protein diets does to a mf

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You all have stick arms and massive guts.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    compare american portion size to asian portion size

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I remember when I visited China I would order two KFC meals. In the US I can't even finish one fast food diner, which is mostly because it's greasier but it is also larger.
      Also I'm not fat but over 6 foot and muscular.

      Side note, I really wish the US's fast food was a good as it is in Asia.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Eating 500 calories of fat would make you lose weight

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    that eat the most carbs
    Indians don't eat the most anything, except maybe human feces

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Now do caloric intake and expendature by country

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Sneed oils and corn syrup

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    How about soda consumption. It's not carbs homie, it's liquid sugar. Completely fucks your hunger response. Nobody is as bored, greedy, hungry, and poor as Americans, and nobody has the sheer availability of cheap calories.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >figures drawn on paint
      Thank you for the informed debate IST, always a pleasure.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >It's not carbs homie, it's liquid sugar
      Nice way of saying you don't know what you're talking about

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Also, do you have any idea what's in your groundwater, how hugely hormonally fucked you all are. It's literally no better than China, you're just better fed.
    https://
    water.usgs.gov/nawqa/home_maps/atrazine_gw.html

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >countries that utilize sugar the most efficient form of energy humans can have are less obese
    I mean yeah no shit, ketogays are coping hardcore with that.
    Sugar has never been bad and anyone that says so is a fucking retard.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    carbs+fat makes you fat, also known as a caloric surplus

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      brainlet tier thinking

      lipogenesis

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Ketogays and anti-ketogays are both fucking retarded.

    Fat countries are fat because they eat a lot of calorie dense food. USA is fat because being fat is normalized and there's a culture of fast food and overeating. Japan is not fat because (in general) they have smaller, healthier options and have a culture of fat shaming.

    The obesity question is CICO + culture

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      If you think the keto discussion is not actually about cico and hunger signaling you're retarded. Everyone knows it's ciao, it's just about which foods make you eat more and which less

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Wrong. It's culture and calories out. Or in, depending on how you see it, but not just CICO.
      Ketos are right that in order to lose weight, you have to get your body to actually start USING the fat reserves. Fastbros simply skip eating all together and just force their bodies to eat itself until they're at a better weight.
      You're not going to get the same nutrition from 500 cal of chocolate like you will a steak.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >The obesity question is CICO + culture

      Wrong. It's culture and calories out. Or in, depending on how you see it, but not just CICO.
      Ketos are right that in order to lose weight, you have to get your body to actually start USING the fat reserves. Fastbros simply skip eating all together and just force their bodies to eat itself until they're at a better weight.
      You're not going to get the same nutrition from 500 cal of chocolate like you will a steak.

      >Wrong. It's culture and calories out

      ???

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I was trying to say that the general mantra of CICO was true, being that eating more means gaining more and so forth.
        The part I'm calling bullshit is the idea that "a calorie is a calorie", completely ignoring the fact that 20 calories from animal fats are completely different from the fats of sneed oils and/or sugar.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It's really not. You're obsessing over rounding errors and ignoring the more important factor. I ate exclusively at mcdonalds for 3 weeks during my cut this spring, still averaged -1kg/week over that period because I was eating at a deficit as estimated from the indicated nutritional value.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Well, McDonald's is mostly just frozen foodstuffs from corporate farms, not really pink mystery slime, so of course you can live off it just fine if you do indeed go in a deficit. However, it's still prone to relapsing and shit, and the only reason the deficit works is because your body is forced to start using fat reserves. That's the idea of fasting, keto, and other diet choices about avoiding carbs.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Everything has diminishing returns and every single thing on the planet comes with some form of consequence.

          Japan is the skinniest country on the planet that is considered first world country.
          They eat carbs regularly and plentifully.
          They also have diabetes rate higher than USA despite being skinnier than nearly any country you can imagine.
          CICO works to fight obesity.
          CICO does not work to fight disease itself.
          I am a supporter of using CICO, it works to stay skinny.
          However it doesn't work with the idea of staying healthy beyond being skinny.

          There are real world examples you can use for your argument Anon. You should look into them.
          Keto gays and vegan shills will ignore them, but you will at least know them.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    snacking culture isnt really a thing in asia right? your body needs a break from food

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Either North Korea has naturally selected starvation-proof people or Chairman Kim needs to diet.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I'm from Thailand and I will tell you, I ate tons of rice and fruits with no problem. I'm fat currently and when I looked back, it was coca-cola which I drank with every meal and when I'm bored. so, the keto aren't far-fetched about carbs, it's just only garden gnome's carbs that's caused me problems, not natural or close to natural carbs like rice or fruits
    avoid any garden gnome's merchandise is the best

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >North Korea: 6.8%
    >South Korea: 4.7%

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Based leader keeping his people healthy and well fed.

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It depends on how you consume your carbs.

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