Creatine skepticism

how is creatine made bros?
does anyone know?
everyone says to avoid processed stuff, but I feel like creatine, and all those synthetically produced supplements are products of heavily processed chemicals that can't be good for the health.

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  1. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    We live in a plastic Samara, inescapable really. Might as well get some gains out of

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      your body makes some creatine and you get some eating meat/fish. if youre skeptical of supplements (reasonable) just eat more meat

      Creatine made in the body or got from food is identical to creatine from supplements even if its synthetic. I'd be more worried about any contaminants left in the mix or the general effect of taking tons of the stuff outside of normal diet.

      >how is creatine made
      Most commonly they throw Sodium Sarcosinate and Cyanamide into a pot. They then heat and pressurize it until they turn into a liquid, let it dry and crystallize and the mill it into powder form
      US patent US6326513B1, which expired in 2020, also mentions a potentially cheaper method.

      Processed doesn't have to mean shit tbh.
      In cases like creatine you have one specific compound and that one doesn't differ from any creatine created in a different way.
      You might want to check if something else is mixed into the product but unless you buy from some back alley guy the contents have to declared.

      Stop asking questions goy.

  2. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    your body makes some creatine and you get some eating meat/fish. if youre skeptical of supplements (reasonable) just eat more meat

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/9oU1k0r.jpg

      pros:
      >quicker gains

      cons:
      >extreme hair loss
      >gains will wither away the moment you stop taking the drug even if you compensate by training harder

      make of that what you will

      https://i.imgur.com/2RAWXKP.jpg

      depends. in some cases it can be the final nail in the coffin. in others it ends up with a few lost hairs. you will pay no matter what. the only thing which matters is how much exactly

      Creatine has been responsible for so much premature baldness it's kind of insane to think about

      eating meat causes baldness?

  3. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Creatine made in the body or got from food is identical to creatine from supplements even if its synthetic. I'd be more worried about any contaminants left in the mix or the general effect of taking tons of the stuff outside of normal diet.

  4. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >how is creatine made
    Most commonly they throw Sodium Sarcosinate and Cyanamide into a pot. They then heat and pressurize it until they turn into a liquid, let it dry and crystallize and the mill it into powder form
    US patent US6326513B1, which expired in 2020, also mentions a potentially cheaper method.

    Processed doesn't have to mean shit tbh.
    In cases like creatine you have one specific compound and that one doesn't differ from any creatine created in a different way.
    You might want to check if something else is mixed into the product but unless you buy from some back alley guy the contents have to declared.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Sodium Sarcosinate and Cyanamide
      If I saw those on a list of ingredients I would avoid it.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Which is a consequence of most people having a weird relationship with chemical terminology.
        Those things are harmless, classic example is people being scared of dihydrogen monoxide.

        Sarcosine, or N-methylglycine as it's also known, is an amino acid which our body can produce on it's own. Sodium sarcosinate is just the amino acid with a sodium atom at one end.
        Cyanamide is just another amino acid with a catnin nitrogen group at one end.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >with a carbon nitrogen group at one end*
          How did I frick that up?

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          People are rightfully skeptical because your terminology does not explain anything relevant: how it is produced, is it harmful, is it harmless, in which cases. Plus the fact that something being declared harmless by "experts" does not mean it actually is (cf. tobacco, baby powder, etc, etc) or something labelled with X does not mean it is actually X (cf. poisoning with "ethanol" which wasn't ethanol).

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            >something labelled with X does not mean it is actually X
            Actually a good example are confirmed cases where supplements contained anabolic steroids.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              >cases where supplements contained anabolic steroids.
              no way! which supplements?

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            >People are rightfully skeptical because your terminology does not explain anything relevant: how it is produced, is it harmful, is it harmless, in which cases.
            There's actually a ton to unpack.
            How it is produced is basically meaningless, that is irrelevant when talking about specific ingredients.
            They have a specific amount of atoma ordered I defined way.
            The production method doesn't influence it because if it would it stops being that substance.
            For harmful or harmless all that can be done is looking at the current evidence we have, potentially how they reason it, and consider common sense.
            Amino acids for example can be considered harmless simply by common sense.
            There are essential ones, which our bodies needs, and the unessential ones which our bodies produce.
            Sure one could argue for there still being long term harm butat that point you're better of killing yourself because everything is harmful even breathing oxygen.

            Plus the fact that something being declared harmless by "experts" does not mean it actually is (cf. tobacco, baby powder, etc, etc) or something labelled with X does not mean it is actually X (cf. poisoning with "ethanol" which wasn't ethanol).
            Sure, experts can be wrong all the time, the best one can do is look at data and how it's conclusion is argued for.
            Unless one has reasonable evidence for having concern about a specific thing it's unreasonable to worry about everything.
            That's life, true safety doesn't exist.
            As for knowing whether X is inside of something, you can never feasible know that, the next piece of chicken could have heroine injected into it or your coffee filled with pesticides.
            Which is why regulations exist, products are tested in labs and we made messing with that illegal.
            So unless you want to learn about molecular chemistry, get a centrifuge, spectrometer etc. and analyze everything you buy you have to rely on labels.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              You're clearly moronic so I'll pick on just one thing.
              > Amino acids for example can be considered harmless simply by common sense.
              https://academic.oup.com/jn/article/134/6/1633S/4688868

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Cyanamide is just another amino acid with a catnin nitrogen group at one end.
          bro...
          cyanamide is NC(NH2)
          its literally hydrogen cyanide with the hydrogen replaced by an amine group. although it is toxic, before a batch of creatine is sold analyses are conducted to make sure no cyanamide is left.
          it remains in solution when creatine crystals precipitate so no worries
          t. chemist

  5. 11 months ago
    Creatine Salesman

    Stop asking questions goy.

  6. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    pros:
    >quicker gains

    cons:
    >extreme hair loss
    >gains will wither away the moment you stop taking the drug even if you compensate by training harder

    make of that what you will

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >extreme hair loss
      Only if you re already a hairlet

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        depends. in some cases it can be the final nail in the coffin. in others it ends up with a few lost hairs. you will pay no matter what. the only thing which matters is how much exactly

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Was balding even before creatine. And gains don't necessarily whither away, if you still keep eating meat and hitting the calorie intake. Of course you are not able to lift reps as many times, but your max rep probably won't change.

  7. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

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  8. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Creatine has been responsible for so much premature baldness it's kind of insane to think about

  9. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Creatine isn't natty

  10. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's made in the balding factory

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