>cut out fast food. >eat the same amount of calories. >lose weight

>cut out fast food
>eat the same amount of calories
>lose weight

Are the fast food and restaurant companies putting in something shady in them: no way its just a calories situation.

  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's the fat + salt.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      You forgot the sneed oil

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Seed oil IS fat.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Joe?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      You forgot the sneed oil

      Also that weird anti-barf shit.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I cut out seed oils, replaced with butter and sometimes olive oil but didnt really lose weight

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Cut butter and try to cook with steam and shit more often

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          That's just a diet, I can't keep that up forever

          How many years did it take for a fat retard like you to get retardedly fat?
          And you cut the sneed oil for how long?
          Do you get my point, fatso?

          Also, olive oil is mostly garbage. Besides, seed oils aren't the only problem, it's just the bigger one.
          Just fucking fast two days a week, you're too retarded to manage your diet.

          I get your point, but I'm trying to find a diet I can follow forever.
          I'm experienced with fasting, regularly do 2 day water fasts, but that's the definition of an eating disorder and I don't wanna keep doing it. Also it's depressing and tiring not to eat.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I get your point, but I'm trying to find a diet I can follow forever.
            Allright then, you seem more clear minded than I was willing to give you credit for.
            The thing you need to know: if you wildly change your macros toward something like low carb of even carnivore then do NOT switch your diet overnight, do it slowly over 6 weeks or you'll absolutely wreck your gut microbiome.

            And don't become afraid of insulin like it's the devil either, you need a bump every day (not a spike though, a bump).

            Water fasting is not an eating disorder either, people have been fasting for thousands of years, though usually for religious purposes. I get that it's not a fun experience in the beginning, but eventually you'll do them for fun. Gives your system a rest (if you really want all of the benefits you need to go for 3 days or more, but that leaves your immune system weakened and refeeding begins to get tricky if you don't want explosive diarrhea)

            Here's the thing, the reason you're fat is because of the Randle cycle: fats and carbs together are bad. And I'm not talking during the same meal, I'm talking about within 4~5 days. Of course if you expend more energy than you consume, that isn't a problem.
            Because your liver, when it comes to storing fat or using stored fat IS an ON/OFF switch, that is constantly running. So yeah, either eat low fat (Efferdein's vertical diet) or low carb (carnivore). Sure you can do low fat on a vegan diet, but that's fucking stupid.
            One thing to keep in mind: if you have people of equatorial ancestry within your last 5 generation, you might need up to 20% of your caloric intake in carbs to thrive. But besides this caveat, there is no such thing as essential carbohydrates, while "essential fatty acids" are a thing, and so are fat soluble vitamins.

            And working out will make a bigger difference than dieting ever could. Unless you eat more as a result, but then guess what: just fucking don't eat more.
            In fact, do OMAD asap.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Interesting, but I can't accept the fasting stuff just at face value from an Anon. Do you know of any studies on this I can read?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                There are almost no experimental studies when it comes to nutrition because you can't lock up people in a lab and control what they eat for a very long period of time.
                Most of the studies you'll find are rat studies, sometimes pig studies.

                However, the metabolic pathways are something you can inform your decision on.
                People have been fasting to "brace" for chemotherapy for some times now, it is a well established fact that your HGH level go up (in waves, but still goes up overall compared to baseline) when you fast, your spine releases stem cells, autophagy, etc.
                You can easily find studies and stuff with fasting + a few keywords. You should look them up yourself rather than getting a cherry picked version by someone advocating for the thing. Still, here are a few

                https://www.embopress.org/doi/full/10.15252/emmm.201505801
                https://news.usc.edu/63669/fasting-triggers-stem-cell-regeneration-of-damaged-old-immune-system/
                https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33785752/
                https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30172870/
                https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26567363/
                https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/05/160509085347.htm

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Interesting, so it doesnt matter what y9u eat long as its either low fat or low carb.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                It does not matter much as far as the Randle cycle is concerned. That's only part of the story, albeit a big part.
                Here are other things to consider:
                -oxidation (seed oils are very oxidised)
                -deuterium content (sugars -aka most plants- are high in deuterium)
                -nutrient bioavailability (plants are shit)
                -toxins(big fishes are full of mercury, plants are full of pesticides -added OR naturally secreted- and oxalate)
                -Insulin response (Eating a lot of the right amino acids within 4 hours will trigger an insulin response; this is good. Eating glucose will trigger an insulin spike; this is bad)
                -glycation (fructose, while it does not trigger an insulin response, is metabolised directly in the liver, and is 7 times more glycating than glucose).

                So in short: eat more meat/eggs/milk/small fishes/shellfishes and eat less plant slop.

                Interesting, I haven't heard of the Randle cycle before. I will attempt a 3 or 4 day fast just to see the benefits. I'm trying to have a somewhat normal social life so 2 days is about the point where its comfortable to avoid getting lunch/dinner with people. For this same reason I couldn't stick with the carnivore diet or keto.
                Anyway I looked into Efferdein's vertical diet, and this seems pretty hard to pull off on a large calorie deficit.
                So far the best diet for me has been OMAD, I can easily and consistently stick to it and its easy to stay under my calorie limit in one meal. Alas I'm still a fatty 200 lbs at 5'9

                >And working out will make a bigger difference than dieting ever could.
                recently started lifting because I do think it'll make a difference but a bigger difference than dieting? how so?

                Bet you haven't heard that vitamin C and glucose both compete with each other because they both enter cells through GLUT4, and that cells shut GLUT4 down when they are too high in sugar, because any more and the cell would die.
                Which is why the vitamin C """requirement""" are so high. And here's another fun fact: humans lost the gene to secrete vitamin C, which means those who had that gene all died virgins. Is it related to the fact that vitamin C metabolises into oxalate? It very may well be.

                >Anyway I looked into Efferdein's vertical diet, and this seems pretty hard to pull off on a large calorie deficit
                A large calorie deficit is THE definition of an eating disorder. And a thyroid and electrolytes levels waiting to get fucked. Also, you need to eat 1000~800 Kcal under your TDEE to actually lose weight, because your basal metabolic rate depends on how much you eat: you eat more it gets higher, and vice versa.
                Fasting works better and puts less stress on the body/mind. (well at a certain point anyway). And the autophagy helps with loose skin.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Interesting, I haven't heard of the Randle cycle before. I will attempt a 3 or 4 day fast just to see the benefits. I'm trying to have a somewhat normal social life so 2 days is about the point where its comfortable to avoid getting lunch/dinner with people. For this same reason I couldn't stick with the carnivore diet or keto.
              Anyway I looked into Efferdein's vertical diet, and this seems pretty hard to pull off on a large calorie deficit.
              So far the best diet for me has been OMAD, I can easily and consistently stick to it and its easy to stay under my calorie limit in one meal. Alas I'm still a fatty 200 lbs at 5'9

              >And working out will make a bigger difference than dieting ever could.
              recently started lifting because I do think it'll make a difference but a bigger difference than dieting? how so?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        How many years did it take for a fat retard like you to get retardedly fat?
        And you cut the sneed oil for how long?
        Do you get my point, fatso?

        Also, olive oil is mostly garbage. Besides, seed oils aren't the only problem, it's just the bigger one.
        Just fucking fast two days a week, you're too retarded to manage your diet.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Are the fast food and restaurant companies putting in something shady in them
      Yes, it's called """vegetable""" oil, aka seed oils, you fat retard.

      >no way its just a calories situation.
      Because all calories aren't created equal, and the CICO dumbfucks are wrong on a fundamental level.
      First of all, proteins are very seldom used for energy, so you can remove that one from all caloric calculation.
      Then there's the fact that fats and sugars are processed differently. And yes, all carbs are sugar in the end, no """food matix""" or whatever pseudoscientific bullshit fancy words will prevent metabolism from happening.
      Add to that inflammation: hey guess what, mixing fats and carbs activates the Randle cycle. To dumb it down: fats prevent glucose from entering cells, glucose prevents fats from entering cells. And if you've got both in your system, shit can't enter cells, so your body stores it.
      Of course, it's not an ON/OFF switch but on a spectrum, just like you.

      And no, contrary to what the ray peat zealot want you to believe, it's not the PUFAs that are evil (although SF is much better because more stable), but it's due to how seed oils are processed. They are oxidized to shit, and then have the rancid flavor filtered out.

      Try making your own Mcburgers, but using only clarified butter and beef tallow, you'll be healthier. You won't be healthy because you'd still be eating carbs but your incidence of cancer will go way down, so will your BF%. Hell, if you drop the fructose goysyrup for table sugar, or even better glucose, you'll get a healthier liver out of it too. You'll still not be healthy because lol insulin spikes but at least you won't be full goybot pod-dweller levels of unhealthy.

      Saturated fat is healthy and so is salt you mongoloid with no nuance. Besides, correlation != causation, and clearly if you knew how to read the bottom right graph, you'd realise it's not fucking butter or cream that's making you fat and braindead.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        The amount of saturated fats and salt in fast food is definitely not healthy.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Saturated fat is healthy and so is salt

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Perhaps high sodium levels in the fast food are causing you to retain water.

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >eat the same amount of calories
    doubt.jpg

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Hyper transformed products, salt ++ / fat +++ / sugar +++++
    The products they used are barely good for animal consumption

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    You're not eating the same amount of calories, or you're eating different types of calories that are more costly for your body to metabolize. Your body can metabolize fats into energy very efficiently, particularly saturated fats. So if you eat 100 calories of oil your body will get roughly 100 calories of energy from it that may be turned to fat if not burned. But if you eat 100 calories of protein, your body has to work harder to convert it to usable energy. So your body burns 30 of those calories just by metabolizing it.

    Fast food tends to be very high in fat and simple carbohydrates, which your body processes without expending much energy. So if you've changed your diet and are now eating more protein, complex carbohydrates, and foods high in fiber then that could account for it. Your resting metabolic rate may also have changed. For most people, the overwhelming majority of calories out comes from involuntary processes, and not working out. So any changes to your metabolic rate can have a big impact on your weight.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >So your body burns 30 of those calories just by metabolizing it.
      Source - my ass

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        My source is the book "Why Calories Don't Count" by Giles Yeo. He discusses that the calorie counts we use come from 18th century data, which was collected by exhaustively examining the decomposition level of different kinds of food in human feces. His main thesis is that the data has serious flaws, and repeating these experiments with modern techniques found that it significantly over counted for protein, slightly over counted for carbohydrates, and was largely accurate for fats.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >"Why Calories Don't Count" by Giles Yeo
          So your source is one random schizo who happens to have written a clickbait book.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            One prominent doctor and obesity researcher's book that backs its claims up with data rather than name-calling, yeah.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              One prominent doctor's opinion vs literally thousands of legitimate research papers.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Please post some of these thousands of research papers.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >One prominent doctor
              He's a celebrity TV 'doctor' trying to sell as many books as possible to retards like you.

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, it's called simple sugars and HFCS.

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    If you didn't prepare the food yourself, you can't trust the nutrition info they provide. I would imagine fast food is particularly susceptible given the amount of oil and fats used in the cooking process. It's going to be wildly inconsistent.

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Surely this McDonald's cheeseburger is the same amount of calories as the burger I make at home

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I remember reading a study that people on diets of highly processed foods gained more weight than people eating the same amount of calories from unprocessed foods. My guess is that either processed food calories are either at, or even above the deviation from the stated amount legally allowed.( Legally, foods can contain up to 20% more calories than stated)
    After all, if there is a legal tolerance for a certain level of bad thing, some bean counter is going to take advantage of it if they think it will drive .1% more sales if the label says 250 calories instead of 300

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    its the seed oil

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Metabolism is improving.

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    That didn't happen. Calories in calories out. The End.

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