Cutting

Instead of cutting, why can’t a fat person just eat 2000 calories a day for the rest of their life and never adjust the calories ever ?

2000 cals a day will make them all eventually go down to the healthy lean weight

So why all the messing around with calories?

Put a 200lb fat gut on 2000 calories and he will be 150lb eventually

Put a 300lb obese guy on 2000 calories and he will be 150lb eventually

Put a 400lb morbidly obese guy on 2000 calories and he will be 150lb eventually

So why doesn’t anyone just do this?

  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    that is cutting

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It figures one of these "muh greek statue" larpers doesnt know shit about cutting and plateaus.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Could you explain it? You do know what you're talking about right?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Not that anon but for starters what you have attempted to describe is a cut. In short you just made a thread saying the following
        >instead of cutting why don’t people just cut
        Or
        >instead of reducing calorie intake why don’t people just reduce calorie intake

        YOU don’t know what you’re talking about. I believe I understand what you were attempting to say but you don’t know what you’re talking about. You meant to say “instead of doing a massive deficit to lose the fat quicker, why don’t people just run a small deficit that’s easier to sustain so in the long run they lose fat.”
        Also
        >150lbs
        How short are you

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          He said the opposite. A diet of 2000 cal for a 400 pound guy is a suicide cut
          He is just retarded

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Could you explain it? You do know what you're talking about right?

      >counting calories meme
      Ancient Greeks didn't measure calories yet they were aesthetic, lean and IST as fuck. Instead of counting calories like an autist just eat a well balanced Mediterranean diet with moderation and avoid the Anglo goyslop (sugar, condiments, fast junk food).

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        if your stomach is stretched out just eating a specific diet plan might not work that well, as someone who's dieted using whole foods from obese I'm still hungry. Also with CICO even if you're eating trash and getting lean that's better than nothing, atleast you're doing something you can stick to, and being lean is still a huge health benefit in itself.

        If you want to lose weight faster you simply increase activity and keep calories at 2000

        The calories never need to be adjusted

        Use exercise to enhance the speed

        yeah you can technically do that, which is what I'm doing right now to finish up my cut, & I'd recommend it if you can, but if you hate exercise or have an injury, you can always just cut cals.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        so let's see your statue-like body from just eating that

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No shit 95% of them were doing hard labour 12 hours a day on what we would now call poverty levels of calories. Modern life and gnomish scheming have made it necessary that we consciously take care of our health. I swear the you "muh mediterranean diet" fags get more and more retarded each post.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Cope

      2000 cal intake equates to weighing about 150lb as a male no matter what height, race, diet or whatever else you want to input

      2000 cals per day average intake causes a human on planet earth to weigh approx 150lb

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        and in reality you will hit a plateau in few weeks, maybe a month or two and then you have to lower calories and/or increase activity.
        And then the cycle repeats.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Nope

          A 2000 calorie intake per day always leads to a bw of 150lb or so

          Your body doesnt become magically immune to going down in weight because youve been at the same calorie intake for a long time. Energy is energy.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            you can take two 150lbs people with the same activity level and they can still have wildly different TDEEs.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Doesn't matter

              Sedentary 2,000 calorie intake = 150lb

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                so explain this:
                I was 220lbs at 6'2"
                I once cut at 2000 calories and walked 5 miles a day.
                After about 6 weeks and was down to 205lbs, all weight loss stopped.
                I plateaued at this point for about a month and didnt lose any more weight until a dropped down to 1700 calories. Hit another plateau 2 weeks later at 200lbs then call it quits.
                This is not hypothetical. This actually happened. According to you I should have kept losing weight until I was 150lbs skeleton.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                and my tdee was 3500 calories before I started to cut

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Fat loss is 100x slower than you think it is. You didn't hit a plateau, you just got sick of counting your calories and gave up in after a short period of time. You're probably not including any cheat meals or cheat days you had during that time / you didn't autistically count properly and weren't actually eating 2000 calories on average. Your cheat meals/days/incorrect counting brought your average daily upto 2500-3000 calories most likely as thats about as much as it requires to maintain 200lb

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >y-you just didn't try h-hard enough
                >y-you didnt do it right!
                you're just making up bullshit now

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Look up how much calories it takes to maintain 70 kilograms sedentary lifestyle

                It’s like 2200 calories

                This is sedentary calculation

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You literally cut for 6 weeks LOL

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If you read what I posted it was over 12 weeks

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Your body actually can and does adjust your metabolic rate. A man can even eat as low as 1600 calories a day and eventually plateau.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >A man can even eat as low as 1600 calories a day and eventually plateau

              yeah
              at what bodyweight tho lol
              you're not gonna plateau at 210lbs on 1600 calories that's for fucking sure

              just stop trying to look for excuses you contrarian retard

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Knew a guy who started around 195 and stopped losing around 180.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Your guy gave up after his scale weight didnt move for a few weeks and then quit and started eating junk again

                If your friends was still on the calories he was counting still if it was say 2000 calories, he would be 160 or so now.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                After some research we found out that your metabolism slows down and he started working out and did start losing again. I don't know why you can't understand. It is well documented and well understood that your bodies metabolism can and does slow down on long calorie deficits.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Your metabolism slows down as your weight goes down, yes. Thats common sense, but does it not mean you have hit a wall.

                Your rate of fatloss just slows down as you get closer to the energy balance you're consuming.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Not significantly it can't. If it could slow down significantly, no one could starve to death. You might slow down 100 cal per day but that's max.

                If you're still doing your normal routine you will still burn normal calories.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I probably do around 1600-1800 cals per day and I plateaued at 131 lb. I'm 5'8". I've been stable at this weight the past 6 months but I am slowly also getting more defined which means recomp.

                It's definitely a reasonable approach. Better than bulking and cutting which is just spinning in cirlces.

                If my body fat gets a few pounds lower I will increase the calories a bit and try to gain more but only very small amount.

                It only takes 2700 cals or so to build a pound of muscle I believe. That is absolutely negligible. You dont' need big surpluses unless you're on steroids. Gaining 5-10 lb per year is like an extra 50-100 cals per day at most.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              A sedentary 5'9 30 year old male will eventually plateau at around 110 pounds on 1,600 calories.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                define "eventually".
                Since you think plateaus dont exist. how long would this process take? years?

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    you can but it would take like 3 years and be unmotivating af. I lost 10lbs a month over 6 months and that still felt pretty slow going. The faster you cut the more motivating imo.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If you want to lose weight faster you simply increase activity and keep calories at 2000

      The calories never need to be adjusted

      Use exercise to enhance the speed

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Cutting is a way to lose muscle while keeping fat and is for body building, not for fats. Fats think they need to diet for a temporary amount of time which is a scam. Being skinny is a lifestyle.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If that's true, why do people here cut to 1200?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because theyre retarded

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Fatty needs to eat less pie.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >why can’t a fat person just eat 2000 calories a day for the rest of their life and never adjust the calories ever
    because they have no self control, thats why theyre fat in the first place

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So if I stick to 2000cals forever - even if that's 2000cals of chocolate and beer - I'll drop to 150lb and stay there. That's what this thread is saying?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You probably will die because a chocolate exclusive diet won't give you the necessary nutrients your body needs. Another reason why calories autists are the morons of IST.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      yes because they read it in a book (or on some website most likely) and never actually applied it to real life

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You probably will die because a chocolate exclusive diet won't give you the necessary nutrients your body needs. Another reason why calories autists are the morons of IST.

      why do retards always go for extremes?
      you wouldn't even be able to diet exclusively on chocolate or beer because you would get sick of it
      this board is full of retards

      just eat meat and vegetables you stupid fuckerd

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >why do retards always go for extremes?
        OP started it with the "just cut to 2000 cals a day" without taking into consideration that cals are just a tiny fraction of a well balanced diet.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          you would lose fat on 2000 calories of chocolate you just would lose muscle from eating like 30g of protein a day and probably feel like you're starving because you're not eating enough mass
          you can eat as balanced of a diet you want but you're not gonna lose fat if you're eating too much

          just stop trying to be a contrarian ffs the amount of energy you eat is what matters if the goal is simply fat loss that's the message not that you should eat 1000 calories of ice cream

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >goal is simply fat loss
            Stupid goal. The goal is to be faster and stronger to punch faster.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    TDEE is a joke. Enter your weight as '1lb' and see what it recommends for your sedentary intake. More pseudo-science.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I've been eating 1800-2000 calories a day strictly since December 2020. I've gone from 190lb to 220lb, ffs. Your recommendation DOES NOT WORK.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      you dont understand, OP found an online calculator and told you how to do it.
      You must be doing it wrong.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I've been eating 1800-2000 calories a day strictly since December 2020. I've gone from 190lb to 220lb, ffs. Your recommendation DOES NOT WORK.

      You dont know how to count calories

      Age: 30
      Sex: Male
      Height: 5'9
      Weight: 150lb
      Activity: Sedentary
      Maintenance Calories: 1,957

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >source: a website calculator

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Calculators which are based on scientific formulas for how much calories (energy) humans require to weight a certain amount of weight on the planet earth

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            But 2 organisms of the same species, sex and weight can have different BMRs.
            A 250lbs body builder will have a different BMR from a 250lbs fatty.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yes. Hence why said TDEE is a load of BS. Like what you just pasted.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This is what Greg Doucette advocates. Just stick to a standard daily intake and work out regularly. If you want lower body fat, make the intake a mild deficit. If you can accept higher body fat, make it a mild surplus.

    It has been slow but I have trimmed my body fat better this way as a skinnyfat guy over the past two years than with bulk/cut attempts which just gained fat and burned muscle each time.

    Bulk/cut is for guys on steroids or who can gain large amounts of muscle with large calorie surpluses

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