Design Cities/Towns for People

Besides the vegetable/seed oil and high fructose corn syrup in our food, did America fuck up by not making our cities and towns more walkable? Our cities are designed primarily for cars, with a majority of public transit outside of the northeast being complete trash or nonexistent.

A sedentary life style, terrible high sugar and high PUFA foods, and driving as a primary form of transportation has doomed America to be the fattest of asses on the planet. Is it truly too late, or can this be reversed?

  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      use a name so i can filter your gay ass

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah so weird we don't have mass public transport like *insert European country*, it's almost like America is huge and sparsely populated in a lot of rural areas

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      you fat morons cant even build rail

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Majority of the population lives on the coasts, cross country passenger rail makes no sense when it takes three days versus a 5 hour flight.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          No excuse for not having a high speed rail from Miami to Boston. They can’t even get the one from San Francisco to Los Angeles going. Look how pathetic we look.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >from miami to boston
            They had started one from Georgia down to south florida but scrapped it when they realized nobody would ride it.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >They can’t even get the one from San Francisco to Los Angeles going.
            They couldn't get that completed because of the insane amount of regulations and corruption in a dem state.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I can get the train from Aberdeen to Belarus you downie fuck

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        You can get trains across the US too eurotard

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          even the cope is fatter in muttland

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >eurotard education
            One train company vs all of europes trains

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yes you can. And you pass by 500 million potential passengers along the way.

        Going from New York to Los Angeles? Similar distance as going from lisbon to moscow. Except in between NY and LA is not 500 million people, it's about 20, and you pass through 6 time zones, 3 deserts, several mountain ranges, and swamps where N O B O D Y L I V E S. Why not just build a train across the antarctic while you're at it

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      America is pretty much fucked in that department. It would cost untold trillions to reshape it and you would need a total change in how society views walking and public transportation. I mean just look at these two retards

      Majority of the population lives on the coasts, cross country passenger rail makes no sense when it takes three days versus a 5 hour flight.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      That shouldn't have any bearing on how cities are designed. Old east coast cities are more walkable and have relatively good public transport.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Old east coast cities are more walkable
        That's because they are
        SMALL
        and
        DENSE

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yes. So cities can be built that way. They just chose not to in most of the country.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Roads are required regardless.

            Trains can not be feasible in a place where people own homes and land AKA rural and suburbs.

            Plain and simple, you need small space and high density for "walkable" to be a thing. If you have 10 sq miles of land filled with 100,000 people you have a walkable city. The businesses in the area have enough of a market to operate a large selection, and people can get to their destination in reasonable time on foot.

            If people own homes, however, that 10 sq miles is only populated by a few hundred people. That's a lot of distance to cover without ever seeing a single business or public entity.

            Muh walkable cities is just cope for not owning a home. Basically you want everywhere to look like London, Paris, or New York. Where cost of living is high, and people are stacked on top of each other in jenga towers because there's not enough land for everyone to have a piece.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              that's what happens when you go full retard and trust the automobile lobby. single family zoning will be the end of America

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >owning land is a bad thing
                You can be my serf then. Rent's due btw.

                They are small and dense because they were largely built in the age of the automobile. They were designed with the driver in mind which entails sprawling. There's a reason why big European cities all have good public transportation and walkability: cars didn't exist when they were first built.
                The reason public transportation doesn't work in most American cities is because urban planners didn't care for it to work and expected everyone to drive around.

                >There's a reason why big European cities all have good public transportation and walkability
                Because England has 6 gorillion people on a tiny island, and Nevada is larger and unpopulated?

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Suburban sprawl virgin

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          They are small and dense because they were largely built in the age of the automobile. They were designed with the driver in mind which entails sprawling. There's a reason why big European cities all have good public transportation and walkability: cars didn't exist when they were first built.
          The reason public transportation doesn't work in most American cities is because urban planners didn't care for it to work and expected everyone to drive around.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Shitty excuse for designing cities in a way that only accomodates for cars.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Most of America is legally uninhabitable. Full of federal land, state land, empty plains and desserts, and missile testing sites. These aren’t even national parks, but wildlife and forest conservation and troop training ground. You’re probably an eastoid leaping as a Texan when the most rural place you’ve ever gone is St Louis, MO.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >desserts
        goes some way to explaining the obesity crisis

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Terrible take. Almost all population lives in small urban areas

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >80%+ of population lives on coasts
      oh no nonononono

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Cope

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >1.3 billion people in that area of China
        >same area in the US has 60 million

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          What does that even mean? The US is a larger country than China, so the same area in the US is 330 million.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Why do I even bother

            >China just built the fuckin trains, they're a very very very big country too
            One chinese city has 30 million people, more than the entire state of Texas. And 93% of Chinese people live all concentrated on the East coast. That's 1.3 billion people in an area the size of the original 13 colonies. They don't have enough space for cars and houses. Trains are a necessity

            See that red area in china? That's where 93% of their population lives.

            See that orange area in the US which is roughly the same size? About 20% of the population lives there, which is approximately 60 million people.

            So, in the same area of the US, you serve only a fraction of the people the Chinese serve with their trains. Additionally, the US is not scarce in space. There is much land available. In China they are so dense you need permission from the government to apply for a license, and then you are restricted to driving only on certain days because there is not enough space on the roads for 30 million people in one tiny city to all have cars.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              I don't think we should have trains running through bumfuck nowhere. Is it unreasonable to have high speed rail connecting major cities though?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >I don't think we should have trains running through bumfuck nowhere
                I agree. Here's the thing, 97% of the US is bumfuck nowhere. The other 3% are separated by several European countries' worth of mountains, deserts, swamps, or farms.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Is it unreasonable to have high speed rail connecting major cities though?
                For your second part I present you this map. Covers the distance in between major US cities. See, in Europe, or Japan, or China, you can connect these major cities, cross them in short time, and in between you can pick up a SHIT TON of people who also need to get to the same place as you. Outside of the New England states this does not exist in the US. There's an amtrak line from Chicago to Los Angeles, half the country in a diagonal direction. It's a 3 and a half day trip. If you upgraded the lines to high speed rail, it's still 1.5-2 days. You don't cross many other major cities along the way, and only a few pickups. Half the time you're staring out the window at corn fields and desert.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >I don't think we should have trains running through bumfuck nowhere
                I agree. Here's the thing, 97% of the US is bumfuck nowhere. The other 3% are separated by several European countries' worth of mountains, deserts, swamps, or farms.

                Also just wanted to let you know the 97% is a real statistic, not something I pulled out of my ass.

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >EVERYTHING IS THE GOVERNMENTS FAULT.

    Jesus can non of you fuckers take your own responsibility? Boo fucking hoo.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >did America fuck up by not making our cities and towns more walkable?
      nah man surely that's a good thing. Especially now with skyrocketing gas prices

      OP didn't say anything about the government, in fact corporations and private interests are just as much to thanks if not more than senators and congressmen for the modern American cities.

      Yeah so weird we don't have mass public transport like *insert European country*, it's almost like America is huge and sparsely populated in a lot of rural areas

      America is pretty much fucked in that department. It would cost untold trillions to reshape it and you would need a total change in how society views walking and public transportation. I mean just look at these two retards

      [...]

      the joke is that America had one of the best train systems... like 150 200 years ago but nevertheless they can send bitcoins to fuckin mars surely they can build some trains back on earth. All of it was ripped out so they can build 40 lane highways in LA that are still jammed to fuck with traffic and instead have mcdonalds every hundred miles on highways.

      I'm not American so I don't know what 100 miles is but you get the point

      America is pretty much fucked in that department. It would cost untold trillions to reshape it and you would need a total change in how society views walking and public transportation. I mean just look at these two retards

      [...]

      China just built the fuckin trains, they're a very very very big country too. I mean yeah they have their own problems like the train stations are mostly empty cities that were built 8 years ago meant for millions of people that didn't show up - but at least they have modern trains.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        100 miles is Palm City to Miami in Florida. Yes, there’s an unquantifiable amount of McDoogle’s on the interstate between the two.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          And this is about the same distance around Tokyo. No car necessary.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Japan has a great car culture, and motorcycles too, but they nailed trains.

            I guess most of their major cities getting either nuked or firebombed during WWII also gave them a chance to just rebuild everything.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Looks like America is in need of another war on our soil…

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                americans managed to destroy some of the best and most expansive trams networks in the world without a war on their soil, then fuck it all up more with highways. Imagine what would happen after an actual war

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Don’t fret my child. We will rebuild America better, and more sensibly.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Kek no fucking way. Americans today are not even 1/64th the men the pioneers were. Even your "based right wingers" are still gays who shitpost on an anime imageboard or rednecks who watch fox all day in their free time

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Ok I hate that everyone is loving on trains obviously none of you are women and cannot understand how shit train cars are. I hate men so fucking much and I hate being near them. At least Japan is moving in the right direction with women's only cars.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                We don’t care

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >China just built the fuckin trains, they're a very very very big country too
        One chinese city has 30 million people, more than the entire state of Texas. And 93% of Chinese people live all concentrated on the East coast. That's 1.3 billion people in an area the size of the original 13 colonies. They don't have enough space for cars and houses. Trains are a necessity

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      It actually is the governments fault. In many urban areas you have 3 lane streets with no sidewalks meaning you need to walk in traffic to get to stores and such. Not to mention that huge parking lots take up space increasing distances between places you need to go.
      It's no secret that the big three car manufacturers where very influential in post war urban development which is why you have fucking highways slashing cities in half

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >OP talks about designing/redesigning cities and towns to be more walkable, requiring less car usage
    >AMERIFATS DON’T HAVE RAIL!
    >FUCK U EUROFAG!

    These are the fat asses infecting this board. The concept of walking a distance greater than their room to the kitchen completely escapes them.

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    daily reminder that garden gnomes want the US and EU to hate eachother

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Based take, hating any group is playing into the garden gnomes hand. Even hating the garden gnomes is. Hating your neighbors for being a garden gnome is pointless and only gives them their “anti-semitism” defense. All humans just wanna live their lives, focus your hatred on the elites that want to ruin others to give themselves a few billions more

      • 2 months ago
        CarbEnjoyer

        Based as fuck. Even if it IS all garden gnomes at the top of things, there's maybe a cadre of 10,000 or so ultra-wealthy elites really calling the shots.
        There are, according to a quick Google search. 14.8 million garden gnomes in the world. If Every single ultra-rich elite is gnomish that is a resounding 0.67% of garden gnomes.
        What about that 99.33%? They're getting played just like the rest of us.
        Look at the vaccination rate in Israel. Even if you buy the polchud line about garden gnomes and the vaccine, 99% of garden gnomes might as well be Goyim.

        >trains along the east coast
        Already exist. They're not often taken except for the very next city because planes are faster.
        >california, oregon, washington
        Remember that SF to LA rail they had going? That trip was going to take 2 hours. How long would it take to get from LA to Seattle by high speed rail? 8 hours? Why not just fly?

        I've ridden the Amtrak lines in California. I've ridden the BART trains.
        I've flown via Sac International.
        I would take the train it's 8x as comfy.
        >T. Californian with family in a bunch of places

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Based as fuck. Even if it IS all garden gnomes at the top of things, there's maybe a cadre of 10,000 or so ultra-wealthy elites really calling the shots.
        There are, according to a quick Google search. 14.8 million garden gnomes in the world. If Every single ultra-rich elite is gnomish that is a resounding 0.67% of garden gnomes.
        What about that 99.33%? They're getting played just like the rest of us.
        Look at the vaccination rate in Israel. Even if you buy the polchud line about garden gnomes and the vaccine, 99% of garden gnomes might as well be Goyim.
        [...]
        I've ridden the Amtrak lines in California. I've ridden the BART trains.
        I've flown via Sac International.
        I would take the train it's 8x as comfy.
        >T. Californian with family in a bunch of places

        >t. jdif

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The thing keeping people from supporting walkability/public transport is that American cities are full of certain types of people that you don't want to walk around. You can have a state of the art mass transit system but if it's full of crackheads fighting each other and jerking off then nobody will want to ride it.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Cope. Athens has gypsies and drug addicts and people walk or use the public transport.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Those people are called "Greeks" anon

        it's a cursed circle that can't be fixed without government intervention unfortunately. only poor people use public transportation because of all the crackheads and if only poor people use it there's no incentive to fix it so it just keeps getting worse. My city had similar issues.

        In my city the government is just making it worse. They don't clean up the homeless ever since 2020 and at this point you can take the train for free because asking for proof of payment is apparently racist.

        Don't get me wrong, I still take public transport because the traffic is even worse than anything I'd have to deal with, but things are degenerating and I'm silently glad the sprawl is keeping me away from the bad elements using "walkable infrastructure" to get into my neighborhood.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why doesn’t the US just offload their homeless to Canada and Mexico?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        imported labor from mexico and other 3rd world shitholes. its vastly cheaper to ship in hordes of them and effectively hold them hostage by offering stay in a relatively safer place, but having to accept absolute shit pay and under the table work, while some live off of gibs. its precisely why wages, housing and inflation are all going through the roof right now and why no problems get solved including this

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      it's a cursed circle that can't be fixed without government intervention unfortunately. only poor people use public transportation because of all the crackheads and if only poor people use it there's no incentive to fix it so it just keeps getting worse. My city had similar issues.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Chicago? San Francisco? Somewhere in Jersey?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          nah, Eastern European shithole. post-Soviet collapse was fun

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Oh, the closest we have to that is probably St. Louis. It’ll make you wanna never come back to America.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Parts St Louis are really nice. Other parts are, well they're St. Louis.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Just say browns it's ok man. Our low trust society is a cancer.

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    i live here i drive everywhere

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      incredibly based

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Go back to 4chan I'm tired of your shit. Trains function in a highly dense very compact area. When a country like the UK is the same size as Wyoming, but with 138x more people and varying population centers, and Wyoming has no population center and outnumbered by cows, you can't make a feasible passenger rail system. You would have to make a stop outside of everyones home so your 100 passengers don't have to drive to the train station 50 miles away, just to pass their destination on the way there.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      No one gives a fuck about Wyoming, retard. They can drive their trucks. We’re clearly talking about the East Coast, West Coast, the The populated areas of the Midwest. Fuck you and your flyover shit gay. This conversation does not apply to you.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >East coast
        ALREADY
        HAS
        TRAINS
        ALREADY
        DENSE
        ALREADY
        WALKABLE
        >west coast
        You mean CALIFORNIA???
        >populated midwest
        One capital city to the next. Planes are faster.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Cities can't be walkable because there's a lot of empty space outside of the cities
          holy retard

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          The East Coast, dumbass. That’s Lubec, Maine down to Miami, Florida. The West Coast is California, Oregon, and Washington. Stop being retarded.

          >going through the bullshit of airports going from Indianapolis to Milwaukee to Chicago to St. Louis
          Okay, there’s no reason to go to St. Louis, but still

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >trains along the east coast
            Already exist. They're not often taken except for the very next city because planes are faster.
            >california, oregon, washington
            Remember that SF to LA rail they had going? That trip was going to take 2 hours. How long would it take to get from LA to Seattle by high speed rail? 8 hours? Why not just fly?

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >This bro has never been to LAX
              stfu

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I don't like their centurion lounge.

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The most walkable cities I've been to are Amsterdam, Krakow, Boston, and Prague.
    These places were built when horses were the form of travel.

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Houston is one of the places where trains should be available. Good thing they're building a high speed rail from there to Dallas.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        i don't even remember the last time i saw a traffic jam like that in london. there's a new tax coming up that will fuck drivers up even more so hopefully we'll see an even bigger reduction of cars. they've built a really nice bicycle "highway" from my place right to up to my work by taking away road space. it's pretty comfy

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          More people taking the train then? Do you tip your train conductor for squeezing every last one of you in there so you all get to work on time?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            i'm actually seeing a massive increase in bicycle traffic in my area. more people are on bikes/walking than there are actual cars. no idea what's going on with the underground/trains i haven't used them in years, but the DLR is pretty neat, no conductor to tip tho it's all automatic

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Do you tip your train conductor for squeezing every last one of you in there so you all get to work on time?
            An american making a joke about tipping? Now ive seen it all.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            lol m8 that's earl's court, i commute to central london on the district line and pass that when I'm on the tube at peak hours, never looks like that.

            Besides it's easier to cycle for me, cheaper and I get to lane split past cagers stuck in traffic like in

            Houston is one of the places where trains should be available. Good thing they're building a high speed rail from there to Dallas.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Earl's Court - probably some event going on there, and a whole lot of people trying to get home after.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Earl's Court - probably some event going on there, and a whole lot of people trying to get home after.

              Yanks literally have no clue what happens outside of their podunk flyover shitholes

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          It’s also a great way to stay in shape. Get that cardio, lad.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Houston is one of the places where trains should be available. Good thing they're building a high speed rail from there to Dallas.

      so beautiful

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    There’s an American in here who’s against walking. He’s either a fat ass or an auto industry lobbyist(or both).

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >just walk two days to get to the next location where people live

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        You do understand the idea of a walkable city is to be able to work/live/commute WITHIN a same city, right? Not to make people walk from L.A. to New York. Is that concept so weird to you?

        Genuinely, are you a troll or just stupid?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >WITHIN a same city
          That's all well and good when the cities are small and dense. New York City has 10 million people within the metro area in an area approximately 300 square miles.

          There are people in this country who own more land than the entire city of New York.

          Consider then both the costs and feasibility. If most of your population owns single family homes, that means they take up more space. just 3-4 plots of land that house all of 12 people take up the same amount of space as an apartment building which houses 1000. How many businesses can 12 people support in the area? How many can 1000? So the market is larger where more people exist, and so more businesses will be successful there, and there are more places for you to shop which are closer for you to get to. Boom your city is walkable.

          Now take the other 12 people and scale it. Those homes take up a lot of space. Even my own neighborhood, which is not that large, is 2 miles away from just exiting the subdivision. From there it's another 10 miles to the grocery store. In between is mostly woods and other houses. You have to walk 12 miles on an empty road or through the woods just to get to the store, then another 12 miles back, with a current temperature of 106 degrees fahrenheit. Nobody wants to do that.

          So then you ask "well why don't those people just live closer to the center of the city and ditch their cars? That way the grocery store would be closer!" While that's true there is only so much land "close to it all" because "it all" has to be located somewhere mostly central. What happens when supply is limited and demand is high? You got it! Prices increase! Cost of rent is much higher in these high demand areas, that's why you can buy a mansion in Miami for 1/3 of the price of an apartment on 5th avenue in Manhattan.

          Now consider the financial standpoint; what is better? To throw away 1/3 of your income on rent every year? Or to invest 1/3 of your income in an affordable home?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Additional pic, Miami home

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              That's still really fucking expensive. Jesus. Why bother moving to the cities if you have to drop a mil?

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Pic related: affordable Miami home

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Pic related: """Affordable""" New York home

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            you do realise that one of the major reasons for high demand low supply is single family zoning laws? also why are you trying to buy an apartment in manhattan on 5th avenue and comparing it miami? they're two completely different cities I legitimately can't tell if you're an actual person or not. you're like a 4chan caricature

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              IST is a parody of America
              America is a parody of itself
              America is a country of extremes, there is no in between

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >high demand low supply is single family zoning laws?
              High supply low demand = not walkable
              Affordable homes = not walkable
              How can you tell me with a straight face that New York City, the lord of the shoebox apartments, is due to single family zoning?
              >buy an apartment in manhattan on 5th avenue and comparing it miami?
              Supply
              and
              Demand
              Both are highly populated, high demand areas. But you can own a whole ass mansion with land in one area, whereas in the other owning a condo is out of reach for all but the 1% of the 1% of the 1%. That means in places like NYC, where it's just so heckin walkablerino, you're paying a massive premium on rent, and you can FORGET about OWNING. Whereas Miami is far more spread out, and you can OWN a larger property than a CONDO in New York. Maybe try using your brain.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                what the fuck are you even on about? affordable homes is the only way to make a city walkable through multi-purpose zoning which inherently makes property more affordable, when a piece of land can house 20 families instead of zone that by definition is more affordable and introduces more competition and fluidity into the housing market. miami and new york are cities on a completely different scale. one is a major world centre of world economy the other is what? some tourist trap filled with mexicans or cubans or whatever the fuck you have there.

                you're seriously trying to make a point by bringing up 5th avenue, of the most expensive and premium places in new york that's been home to rich people since like the 19th century and comparing it some shithole in miami that's not even on the beach. and that's not even taking into account job availability, salaries, time spent on commuting and so on

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                You don’t wanna buy property anywhere near the beach here in Florida. Trust me. Bad investment.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Single family home and zoning (commercial/residential/whatever) are why sprawl is happening. Why can't you have a small grocery store on every corner?

            If grocery stores didn't have to be so far from houses with a fuck load of parking by law, this wouldn't be an issue. The laws are making these problems.

            The US' main cities WERE very walkable in the past. They were destroyed and rebuilt for cars. They took that from you.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >America will never have an abundance of konbinis like Japan
              >we will continue to have trash Walgreens and CVS on every corner though

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Why can't you have a small grocery store on every corner?
              NOT
              ENOUGH
              PEOPLE
              There was a shopping center in my city that had two starbucks across the street from each other. This was a nice market area, good money, young professionals, and a large golf course with apartments on hills. They closed one down because there wasn't enough business for the area to justify two starbucks within that close proximity to each other.

              Now in Seoul, there are starbucks on every single city block no joke. In between the starbucks are even more coffee shops. Basically the whole time I was in Seoul there was always a coffee shop within sight, and starbucks was by far the most common. Why can they have a coffee shop, not just on every corner, but several on every block?
              Hint: It's because they get enough business. A grocer on every street in America is retarded, they wouldn't survive. They'd always be in the red.
              >If grocery stores didn't have to be so far from houses
              They don't have to be that far. And if they wanted to all they have to do is ask the city to rezone an area. It isn't hard, and it isn't a very large barrier unless you're a strip club or a bar or something.
              >The laws are making these problems.
              Zoning laws are probably the smallest part of your problem. I would be more concerned about how you're going to get half the population who does not live in Texas/Florida/New York/California to, for some reason, congregate into one of those state's large cities.
              >The US' main cities WERE very walkable in the past
              Mhmm. And why do you think that is? Might it have something to do with everyone renting a shithole in early New York with a family of 12 in a 300sq ft room and never owning a home? Or maybe, like in Chicago, the homeowners all commuted from the same subdivisions outside of the city to the same destinations within the city? Or do you mean everything west of the mississippi, where every "city" consisted of a saloon, a church, and station, with pops of 200?

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Why can't you have a small grocery store on every corner?
              because it's literally illegal

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                There's your problem. Look at the more desirable areas of cities. They are really walkable and thus in demand. People like to be able to stroll down their streets and get small batches of fresh produce when they need it every couple of days.

                It's illegal because the powers that be (big auto + big oil + big banking) WANT YOU to buy a house far away from the city on credit, finance a car, pay for fuel, pay for maintenance costs, buy huge things in bulk to save a few bucks because you have to drive so far to get fucking food. They're milking you for every cent.

                It's illegal because it's what ~~*they*~~ want.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                actually, owning a mcmansion in bum fuck middle of nowhere and commuting everywhere is the american dream and they want to take it away from you. i hecking love suburbia

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >bum fuck middle of nowhere
                Wow you just described almost all of the US

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >why wouldn't everyone want to live in a pod and ride a bike everywhere like me

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >being scared of a little bit of biking
                >on a board dedicated to fitness

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Bring bring!
                Does your bull let you put playing cards in the spikes so it makes cool motorcycle noises?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                More dumb garbage
                >being scared of biking
                You have no clue what it's like outside of your pretty princess palaces. You don't bike down the city block to your destination. You bike outside of your neighborhood in the fucking middle of the desert, then you bike down an empty road for 20 miles while your skin catches fire. A diamondback decides to pop out in front of you and has made you his sworn enemy that day followed by some retards loose pit bull. After escaping with your life you get to the grocery store. Realizing you can only carry a few bags, you buy only what you need for the next 24 hours. You get home and your frozen veggies are turned to mush in the heat, your steak has browned completely, your eggs are already hard boiled, and all the water has evaporated from your body. After self treating for 2nd degree burns you realize you forgot the milk. Guess you get to do it again tomorrow. And the next day, and the next day, forever and ever.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                god your place sounds like a shithole

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                That’s what you get for living in West Texas/New Mexico/Arizona.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                He gets to drive to the grocery store in an air-conditioned car, load up with 2 weeks worth of groceries (maybe more if he has a chest freezer), and drive back again in air-conditioning?

                How awful. It really is its own worst punishment.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >West Texas/New Mexico/Arizona.
                Nevada, Missouri, Kansas, California, Oklahoma.

                He gets to drive to the grocery store in an air-conditioned car, load up with 2 weeks worth of groceries (maybe more if he has a chest freezer), and drive back again in air-conditioning?

                How awful. It really is its own worst punishment.

                This. Maximum comfy. Best part is gym is right by the grocery store.

                god your place sounds like a shithole

                >different places have different weather
                Can't all be gloomy and dreary and wet like London.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                It isn't. There isn't enough of a market to support it. In my old neighborhood there was one of those neighborhood walmarts, or whatever they were called, that they opened. It was much closer than the local regional chain for my area. Had all the same products, bought produce from local farmers, even had organic stuff. The place didn't last two years before they shut down. Not enough business.

                There's your problem. Look at the more desirable areas of cities. They are really walkable and thus in demand. People like to be able to stroll down their streets and get small batches of fresh produce when they need it every couple of days.

                It's illegal because the powers that be (big auto + big oil + big banking) WANT YOU to buy a house far away from the city on credit, finance a car, pay for fuel, pay for maintenance costs, buy huge things in bulk to save a few bucks because you have to drive so far to get fucking food. They're milking you for every cent.

                It's illegal because it's what ~~*they*~~ want.

                >the powers that be
                >WANT YOU to buy a house far away from the city on credit
                No. TPTB want you to own nothing and be happy. Like renting a cuckshed for 50% of your income in the poor part of the city and never owning your own transport so you go only where you're allowed to go.
                >milking you
                Housing is up 30% since last year. If you bought a home, you're up 30%. You could sell now and make a profit.

                Meanwhile if you're a rentcuck, your rent has risen about as much. You get to pay more for the same place, and you don't even get to keep the place. Renting is no different than consumption: You use it once then its gone. Every month, same expense. Houses are an investment. It appreciates with value, you can pass it along your family, you can use it as leverage.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >he wants me to walk for 12 hours
      >across the desert
      >in 105 degree heat
      Uhm, no that's ok. Make sure to carry antivenin on you though. Snakes are brutal

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Why are you commuting between those two distances?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        why would you need to walk to that city? are you retarded?

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Basically Europe is like minigolf and the US is like real golf.

    Minigolf is small, the holes are all close together, you can only fit so many people in each space, and you can just hop over to the next hole like it's no big deal. The ball you hit is closeby and you can just walk right up to it.

    Real golf is very large and spread out. You might even go the whole day seeing only a couple of other people. Trying to get around on foot to your ball could take hours, trying to go from your hole to the next on foot might even take all day. Can't build a train because each ball has a unique destination. Carts are required to get to your ball and to your next hole.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      golf is a sport for fat boomers so i guess it explains a lot

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      MOGGED

      You'd have to drive across 5 european countries just to get out of the middle of texas

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Depends on the country. Texas is a bit larger than France, so you'd have to cross just 2 (France and the Netherlands) to get across Texas. But if you include eastern european countries.... it's a lot more than 5. You cross 5 of those guys just getting from Houston to Dallas.

        If it’s not Football/Rugby, Soccer/Football, Basketball, Track and Field, Tennis, or combat, it’s not a real sport.

        A 70yo can dominate in golf. Pathetic sport.

        Woosh

        why would you need to walk to that city? are you retarded?

        Why are you commuting between those two distances?

        Because everything has to be walkable and filled with trains! Even if there's nobody there.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Ah, I see that you have missed the concept entirely. The idea of a walkable city isn't to make you able to walk in between any city in the country. The idea is to be able to walk to (or bike or use common transit) to anywhere, efficiently, WITHIN a city. The design philosophy is that you shouldn't NEED a car. You should be able to live, work, commute, run errands easily and without too much cost within a city. This reduces overall cost for infrastructure and increases happiness. Many (the majority) of people in North America commute to everything by car because there is no alternative. And these people would use mass transit or bike if they could. They just want to live and don't give a fuck for driving as a hobby. Getting these people off the road will make driving more pleasant for people who drive for fun too, less cars is less traffic.

          The goal isn't for you to walk between cities, you can have trains for that if the city is great enough, or a car for long distances. But to simply live in a city with high density population, forcing everyone to drive is a scam done by the automotive and oil industries. Suburbia is a pyramid scheme and not sustainable. Not only for hippie environment reasons, but infrastructure costs. Municipalities cannot keep up with the cost of suburban sprawl.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >But to simply live in a city with high density population
            The USA has a handful of those. Everyone else does not live there. Meaning they would need cars anyway, and to get into these cities they would need a car.
            >Suburbia is a pyramid scheme and not sustainable
            It's very sustainable.
            >Municipalities cannot keep up with the cost of suburban sprawl.
            As opposed to heckin based jenga towers jungles?
            >You should be able to live, work, commute, run errands easily and without too much cost within a city.
            That's what is unsustainable. More people in a city means more demand for a limited number of housing units. Remember the New York boroughs didn't always exist. They sprang up because people who lived In NYC could no longer afford to live there, so they had to buy less favorable land outside of the manhattan area until eventually a whole community formed. They used to be suburbs but now the homes have been replaced by apartments. Land costs have risen due to demand and homes are unaffordable in those areas, you have to rent forever. And the suburban Bronx becomes urbanized, and you spend half your earnings to rent a rat infested shitbox above a bowling alley from Mr. Goldsteinenberg.
            >forcing everyone to drive is a scam
            Nobodys forced to. If you don't want to, you don't have to. Just take that money you would spend on a car and go pay rent in the city center. It's like some people have never been to American cities, EVERY SINGLE ONE has a dense center where it's super heckin walkable. I drive to the downtown area in my city and once I'm there you can just walk wherever you want to go. This is where gov buildings are located, many businesses, malls, tourist attractions, restaurants and bars, it's all very walkable. But most people would rather own a home and a car outside of the city. Theres a reason for that.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      If it’s not Football/Rugby, Soccer/Football, Basketball, Track and Field, Tennis, or combat, it’s not a real sport.

      A 70yo can dominate in golf. Pathetic sport.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Real golf is full of fat miserable boomers waiting to die
      >Takes up a lot of room meaning less space for nature to thrive

      Yeah sounds about right

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Watch NotJustBikes on YouTube lads.

    >HOW THE FUCK DO I GET TO 6 TOWNS OVER WITHOUT A CAR? WHAT ABOUT ME GETTING ALL ACROSS THE PLAINS OF THE MIDWEST BECAUSE I COMMUTE 18HRS ONE WAY TO THE AMAZON FULFILMENT CENTER.

    The idea of having walkable cities is to NOT have to drive. Cities where it's better to drive/walk, like having many small grocery stores, streetcars, bike lanes (not just painted lane, dedicated infrastructure). It would increase resident happiness, lower costs a a shit ton, make people healthier. If you live literally out in a bayou that's fine, stay there, but don't expect to live 1000km out of the city and have the same services as downtown. That's all. Just build better cities. If you're fine with septic tanks and limited government services out in the wild, then what do you care about what city dwellers to to make their lives better? Suburbia is a pyramid scheme. It's not sustainable.

    Strong Towns.

    I LOVE cars, for real, but car focused cities are fucking terrible for driving. So much fucking traffic and stop signs. It's awful.

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Walkable towns existed in the past, when local businesses were far more commonplace.

    You can't really turn back the clock, anyway. Europe/Japan/etc. have walkable cities largely due to geographical limitations. The US, by contrast, had/has vast swaths of open land to "design" where business goes and where residences go, and I guess people wanted them separate.

    However, I do wish trains were more commonplace.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      your tax dollars are gonna pay for it jack
      you pay those tax dollars and you accommodate those fucking bums and Blacks who will flood our suburban neighborhoods with increased transit access

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        bums bum around in city centers because there are so many people to bum off of. why the fuck would they flood into the suburbs

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    walking sucks
    and i dont like being in a public transport with a bunch of sweaty sick non-white fucks
    t. american moved to europe

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >walking sucks
      You obese fuck

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >walking sucks
      Freedom moment

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Like most problems in America, obesity is largely a black, hispanic, and polynesian issue that we pretend is somehow generalizable to all Americans. Of course there are some exceptions, (Deep South, West Virginia, etc) but the white + asian obesity rates are comparable to Europeans + Asians in their native countries.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Obesity is an issue of culture and mental disease, not race.

      People get addicted to the dopamine rush of shoving food down their gullet, which also helps them push away the self-aware thoughts of being a disgusting slob. This gets perpetuated by "cultural" acceptance (at this point, "culture" is defined by what's trending in media, it's just one big soup of homogeneous, grey gloop).

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Nah, I see a lot of fat fuck whites people throughout the country. It’s more of a class thing I’d say. Regardless of ethnicity, the poorer the American, the more likely they’ll be fat. It’s kinda weird.

  17. 2 months ago
    Anonymous
  18. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    We need to go back to a horse based transportation

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >poop covered streets

  19. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, American cities got fucked by focusing design around vehicles. To put it short cities thrive off their density and mixed usage, automobiles are the least dense form of transit and encourage shitty zoning. Clearly there is conflict there.

    Thankfully there has been a large push in recent years to rethink urban design to put automobiles last in the food chain and focus on walking, cycling, and public transit. But it is a slow process and the uneducated masses love their cars and concrete lot hellholes.

    T. Civil engineer

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      *land ownership are the least dense form of housing and encourage comfy zoning

      There, fixed. Now be honest you just want people to live in the pod.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I didn’t mention land ownership once in my post. But if you expect to be able to afford a huge house with a big ole lawn and a big ole muscle car in a city you’re kind of a retard.

        This is what designing around vehicles looks like, absolute cancer in terms of urban design and tanks economies as it leads to inevitable urban sprawl and smog

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >I didn't mention
          Deceit by omission. How is one to participate in mass public transit when it's a mile just to get off his property, and several miles to get off his street where his neighbors also have much property? Do you intend to have a train station outside of everyones home? Outside of every subdivision? Whats the upkeep? What's the revenue?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I’m not decieving you by omission, what you’re insinuating so retarded I didn’t think it needed to be addressed but I’ll give you an answer using real life examples of thriving cities that aren’t designed around cars yet are able to accommodate commuters from more rural areas

            1. Singapore, pic related those from rural areas simply park and take rail into the city where a robust bus system can then take you within half a mile of wherever the fuck you need to go

            2. Adelaide, uses what they call the O-Bahn, where buses go through the suburbs picking up people then transfer onto a modified rail which Carrie’s them to the city center where they again have a a robust bus system to get them wherever they need to go.

            Two solutions right there for commuters, neither require everyone bringing their congestion inducing smog producing cars into the city where they park in lane wasting parking garages/lots.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Singapore
              Size of a thumbtack for starters. Population 6 million. It's the size of 1 small American city. Waco, TX has a population of 140k. Once again, DENSITY + LIMITED SPACE = EFFECTIVE PUBLIC TRANSIT.

              These conditions simply do not exist in the vast majority of the US.
              >simply park and take rail into the city
              Oh wow so you get all the traffic *before* your connection. Then leave your *car* unattended in a *parking lot* after using *roads and highways.* Looks like you solved nothing.
              >buses go through the suburbs
              >transfer onto a modified rail
              >Carrie’s them to the city center
              >bus system to get them wherever they need to go.
              How would this work in Wyoming or Nevada? There is no city center. There is no central destination. How long would that first connection be? An hour? Then another hour on the rail? I have a bus outside my subdivision too. After walking two miles to get there I get to wait for it to come by. Then it takes me an extra 15 minutes to get to the stop where the grocery store is than if I were to just drive from the same stop. Why? Because in between this straight road with almost no traffic and the grocer, there are 10 stops. And at each and every one someone is getting off or on, and the bus has to slow down, stop, then speed up again. With the walking, the stops, and the waiting, easily an hour and a half of travel time is added to my grocery trip. I could drive there from home, pick up everything I need, and be back home, before the bus-taking version of me even got to the store.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                This thread is about CITIES not about rural bumfuck nowhere. Go back to all my posts and you’ll see I explicitly speak about urban environments only.

                To continue to your points
                1. Rural environments are spaced out so traffic congestion is not an issue for the Singaporean commuters entering the rails from the outside of the city. And yes part of their healthy transit system is having proper security around those lots.

                2. I explained the O’bahn poorly, the buses go through the suburbs on regular roads, then the same buses go on isolated tracks like their own personal highway which brings them to the city center. This results in an overall more efficient system when looking at overall volume vs travel time.

                You’re right in that these solutions probably wouldn’t work in the middle of fucking nowhere where there isn’t a city or anything of density. But that was never what was being asked nor the context.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >proper security around those lots.
                Ok.
                >then the same buses go on isolated tracks like their own personal highway
                Makes more sense. So like a fast streetcar or trolley?
                >But that was never what was being asked nor the context.
                See

                >Old east coast cities are more walkable
                That's because they are
                SMALL
                and
                DENSE

                See the blue and purple? Those are ALL the US major cities. Anything that is purple absolutely needs public transit. Can you find me a purple spot on the map where effective public transit does not exist?

                Now take a look at the blue. These are cities where internal metro is potentially feasible. Some already have it. Some don't. Nothing wrong with it, but things that need to be considered are 1) cost; 2) benefit; 3) revenue. That is how much taxes are going to be raised to cover the cost, and where will the come from? Will the rail system actually benefit the residents of that location; or will only a select few get to enjoy it? And what kind of fees or passes can you sell to the residents, after they built the train with their taxes, that they would be ok with paying out of transportation convenience? And probably the most important part, how many people's land are you going to have to seize to build this train through the city?

                Remember anything that is not dark blue or purple has no business having a train. They would be classified as villages or towns in europe. Building a special 100 billion dollar internal metro system for a location of 3000 people is over $33MM per person. Their taxes can not afford it, they can not offer any amount of revenue to support it, and there's a high probability they wouldn't even use it.

                And since we already know the northeastern US (New York n frens) already all have domestic rail, we're here to find out how to institute these projects in Miami, Salt Lake City, Minneapolis, Houston (Houston actually needs it IMO), Atlanta, Kansas City, Dallas, Denver, and a select few midwestern cities.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >you just want people to live in the pod
        While you want people to spend 2h a day on their pod on wheels.
        I fucking love cars yet you retards almost make me seethe about them. Having it so that every single person needs their own car to get to places is insane and makes the driving experience a thousand times worse.
        I'll gladly pay whatever driving tax they implement so I can keep driving in free roads while the incompetent drivers resort to public transportation as they should have in the first place

  20. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >"Ok so the plan to shill 'walkable cities' on 4chan failed. What do we do next?"
    >"Idk, try IST, I guess?"

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >implying 4chan types don't love walkable cities
      Unless you're a 2016 tourist you aught to be advocating for it. Walkable cities are literally what all of Europe is outside of maybe some brand new town or rural area. The only thing wrong with the concept is that it doesn't function with nigs around as with all things. Part of the reason our current system exists is literally so whites don't have to see them as often at our own expense.
      >Durrr cities are bad
      Yeah no shit, it's mainly because the people in power also control the cities (and thus the awful modernist design).

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >literally what all of Europe is
        The Netherlands used to have a lot of diverse villages and rural areas. But they have so many people and such little space that all their metropolitan areas ended up merging together into one giant city of a country. If you wanted to you could fit the entire population of the US into the states surrounding NYC. All 330 million people. Then every city would be walkable.

  21. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >A sedentary life style, terrible high sugar and high PUFA foods, and driving as a primary form of transportation
    Weird way to say demographics. You simply can't build a high-trust society with safe, livable cities with what you have in the US right now

  22. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >did America fuck up by not making our cities and towns more walkable?
    America did make cities walkable though.
    Boomers changed that.

  23. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    You think you're free because you can drive everywhere?

    You're not free because you have to drive everywhere

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