>diagnosed with ADHD
>heart valve defect so can't take any kind of stimulant medication
looks like im doing this the hard way, what else can i do to help my condition adhd bros?
>diagnosed with ADHD. >heart valve defect so can't take any kind of stimulant medication
Find a job that revels in wild random shit always happening
ADHD meds aren't that bad for your heart tho right? I have resting heart rate of 59 now even. And I love cooding on meds Holy fuck
they're one of the few drugs on earth that for sure can directly destroy your heart
At recreational doses, yes, but we're talking 500mg a day kind of shit. 40mg a day will probably kill you at 70 instead of 80 but who gives a fuck.
Max is like 30mg, you can overdose really easily by taking multiple. And you will feel like shit if dosage is too high
Caffeine is pretty good alternative
Otherwise have to find ways to get yourself into focus such as limiting distractions, forming plans and setting goals
>Caffeine is pretty good alternative
Caffeine doesn't have the same effect on ADHD brains as with normal people. It unirocally soothes them.
Minimize use of stimulating technology (phone, computer), meditate, and exercise. You don't need meds, you need to reprogram your mind
essentially this. meditate, dopamine detox. put some serious effort into stop "fuck-around-itis".
or talk to your doctor and bring up your heart problem they likely have drugs to work around that problem. youre only going to get against-the-grain advice here, which you'll likely ignore all of it.
Avoid red food dye
>dopamine detox.
Retard shit. Most people are severely dopamine deficient from their diets
basically this
t. adhd haver
I want to study IT because it's the only field i find interesting while paying enough for me to live.
fuck
So? Programming isnt social media bro
Sometimes it's hard to be on computer and desk with distractions but I really wouldn't want to do anything else as I love the craftsmanship and problem solving of computer science
if you have no problems with doing it, then you might not need meds
everyone I know with actual ADHD (and not just low discipline bitch syndrome) can't even do the things they enjoy or want to do
yeah cause they work, gay
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26900386/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25761837/
inb4 >hurrdurr clinical trials are memes
just fast forward to saying ADHD is not real and everyone needs to man up, I've seen all this redneck gayry a million times here
>just fast forward to saying ADHD is not real
Oh it is real, I just don't appreciate giant corps taking advantage of people's mental illnesses by shoveling snake oil with some bullshit studies they themselves funded.
alright, so you're obsessed with some leftypol/tradpol culture war gayry
here's some grown man advice: if shit works, shit works and you're always supporting corporate interest by buying shit, no matter who you buy it from
Feel free to say it's all snake oil just like the retards who say you don't need protein to build muscle, all you're doing is fucking yourself
I have problems and need meds
>everyone I know with actual ADHD (and not just low discipline bitch syndrome) can't even do the things they enjoy or want to do
This is how you know whether you have ADHD or you're just lazy.
>lazy
can't (won't) do chores but will go out with friends/play games/go to gym/whatever
>ADHD
want to go to gym but literally cannot interrupt what you're currently doing, there is no circuit breaker, you are locked into the loop of the activity and will be for the next four hours no matter what
If I don't take my meds I can't even go to work. I'm just trapped doing whatever activity I'm doing at that moment forever.
I hope you aren't drinking caffeine right now
Gotu Kola. Not a stimulant, and helps immensely. Might wanna check if its safe for you tho
I've got the best results staying on task by minimizing any potential distractions beforehand, using a ticking pomodoro timer or one that has a visual representation of how much time is left is super helpful as well.
I also recommend taking occasional breaks and getting some energy out by walking or light cardio - you'll be able to focus much better when you return.
Strattera
The source of your anxiety is other people. That's why adhders can focus in masturbatory activities that exclude the other.
not OP but why is this the case?
Because your mother & father fucked up. When parents have succeeded you see it from the result: a well socialized man that knows his place in the world, has a stable sense of his self and others and a direction in life.
brutal
>mother & father fucked up
And? Parents are not responsible for your behaviour past the age of 18.
I want to know about life experiences with managing ADHD if you have something to share.
>Parents are not responsible for your behaviour past the age of 18.
Your parents, from the fucking womb to your youth, have so much fucking influence on your life that it's not even funny.
Caffeine can make you jittery and even anxious (not meme'ing).
ADHD can be helpful, it just makes you realize you need to find a job etc you actually enjoy and you can be the best at it. Try some serious lifechanges first, instead of instantly popping pills. Don't play games anymore, go for daily walks (you'll see a massive difference in mood), work out, and work towards a goal. I haven't touched Steam in a month and I've set up an e-commerce business in that time that's such a good concept that people have even offered to help for free. You can do it anon.
You have no idea how decisive childhood is for your whole life.
As for little tips & tricks, I second finding something you enjoy doing, you're good at and makes you enough money. Don't stay at at an employee level if you don't like it
This is the most mundane generic advice ive ever heard from someone who seemingly thinks theyre smart
You gotta learn to filter this cookie cutter bullshit coming from actual retards. It's exactly the same as "oh just lift and eat food bro :)"
It sounds like this because you are a simpleton and think you're above this kind of advice. It's not as simple as it sounds.
I was also going to rec therapy but 90% of American therapists are behaviorists that will tell you to do little tips & tricks like a dog and you'll see no long term change. But that's what you want right
For some reason holy basil seemed to help my ADHD and depression tremendously. I took it randomly because it come with a turmeric supplement
Coming to IST for advice on ADHD is the stupidest possible thing you can do.
the protocol from /cdf/ on IST
Smoke weed
Don't take advice about ADHD from people who don't have ADHD (most of this thread)
Anyone saying Meditation helps is absolutely retarded and likely thinks it's not a real disorder in the first place
If meds are off the table, clean up your diet hard (zero sugar outside of fruit, low carb, high protein, high healthy fats, ideally meat, fish, eggs, light on the dairy, veggies & fruit obviously).
Remove any and all distractions first - a minimalist life works best. Keep a weekly to-do list that is flexible in terms of when you do things; this is to ensure that you can use impulsive motivation while still slowly building discipline.
Hit the gym obviously, switch your cardio to HIIT to stay with it. You might be prone to overdoing it in the gym (in order to get more stimulation), so use a program with a relatively slow progression and stick to it.
Pick a day of the week where you aggressively power through all the tasks that you have a really hard time with.
I have ADHD myself. I'll back most of this tbh.
He's right, you gotta get advice from people who have this. People don't understand if they haven't struggled with it.
Discuss non stimulant medication with the doctor. One I tried was stratera. It's pretty awesome. Worked for me for a while. I know why it stopped working.
Greentext about it if you want to know.
> My productivity picked up 400% after a week.
> Everything was suddenly easy and not a huge effort to get started. I could just decide to do things and I could just get up and do it. That's executive function working correctly in my brain.
> Every dream I was forced to give up on because I couldn't fix my weird motivation problem (I didn't know it was ADHD till a few years ago) was suddenly possible again.
> I was giddy with excitement most of the time
> Before meds I would weaponise self hate to get myself moving, relying on ADHD to drag me back down to equalize. Reduced ADHD meant the hate process was active and accelerated with nothing to stop it
>Worked so hard I burned out, then while burned out the meds let me keep struggling forward till I was also decently depressed.
> After being given another chance at my dreams I never wanted to squander a moment.
> Non stimulant medication doesn't help burnout or depression. It literally feels like nothing in those saturated states of stress and exhaustion.
I'm on dexamphetamine sulphate now. That's great stuff honestly.
> After changing meds I got better from the negative self talk. But another burnout in less time but far less severe.
> Cut down on coffee and cigarettes. You can kinda kick up the meds with both. Started having days off it for 2 days a week. Slows tolerance build up.
> I made it guys.
I got better with the negative self talk stuff. It's kinda what happens to folks with undiagnosed ADHD. Positives of an ADHD label is replacing other labels like stupid lazy and useless. I don't advertise my ADHD. But it's great for treatment.
>Worked so hard I burned out, then while burned out the meds let me keep struggling forward till I was also decently depressed.
this hit too close to home. I pushed for so long with the whole boomer philosophy of "just man up, just power through, just toughen up" that I ended up with panic attacks, constant recurring nightmares of insects eating me, randomly collapsing from exhaustion etc.
And it's a fucking joke, after years of "need no meds", to-do lists, steady workouts, controlled diet, constant frustrating attempts at meditation, constant alienation and failure despite doing everything "right", getting on a light dose of meds fixed every single problem I had over the course of a month, and it's stayed fixed for years.
Literally went from renting a shit room and sleeping on the floor to living with my fiancee in a beautiful apartment in the city, huge strides in career & physical health, fixed long standing health issues that seemed insurmountable before the meds.
If anything, I regret taking retarded boomer advice from this place back then.
My girlfriend has adhd but was only diagnosed recently. Before that, she worked around it by very meticulously planning out her day and being very thorough in preparing everything. I also tell her when she hits the rep goal in the gym when we train together because she can’t focus on counting and lifting at the same time
on a psychological level, meticulously planning out can become a problem as most people with ADHD have a tendency to overestimate how much they can do in a day (and with ADHD it's highly reliant on day-to-day form and mental state). This can lead to shame and self loathing for not fulfilling all steps planned for a day. Keep an eye on that.
Yeah I know, my gf hasn’t been on time once since I know her. Don’t shame her for it though because I know it’s not her fault
> I also tell her when she hits the rep goal in the gym when we train together because she can’t focus on counting and lifting at the same time
fuck I have trouble with this
Get a gym buddy to count for you. Or accidentally get brutishly strong by being to distracted to notice fatigue
cont.
Be very careful with caffeine, while it can provide a short term push, it can also really fuck with long term concentration and worsen ADHD symptoms (though if you truly have ADHD, most stimulants should have a very calming effect on you, otherwise you've been misdiagnosed).
There are certain long term psychological effects of ADHD, it's good to learn up on them so you can work on fixing them (rejection sensitive dysphoria, tendency to overwork yourself, sleep issues and revenge procrastination).
Finally, I achieved best results by skipping breakfast and getting straight to work on any tasks at hand before I could get distracted. So on wake up, straight to work/onto computer/to the gym with no distractions seems to lead to ideal productivity.
And I can't stress this enough, do not take advice from dumb normies on IST, that's like taking dating advice from incels.
>rejection sensitive dysphoria, tendency to overwork yourself, sleep issues and revenge procrastination
Damn that's exactly what I have, had no idea it has a name.
if you're aware of it you can fight through it
I deal with it with a mixture of "not thinking just doing" and manning the fuck up, it gets easier over time
I can totally feel how realizing it's just a fucking syndrome that gets triggered can delegitimize it in your mind.
Still it all comes down to progressive desensitization and letting go of past trauma sensations, whether you have ADHD RSD or whatever the fuck else.
>Be very careful with caffeine, while it can provide a short term push, it can also really fuck with long term concentration and worsen ADHD symptoms (though if you truly have ADHD, most stimulants should have a very calming effect on you, otherwise you've been misdiagnosed).
So which is it?
are you retarded? it can help in the short term, but mess you up in the long term
A lot of people who don't use the meds end up addicted to caffeine in order to get even slightly close to the dopamine levels of a neurotypical brain, know a few who end up addicted to energy drinks, pre-workouts and coffee and worsen their condition that way
So you can power through a task with a cup of strong coffee or a red bull short term, but the negative effects hit harder and faster than for a normie (which is why you got half this board calling the other half pussies for not being able to drink black coffee daily and shit)
How come coffee which is 1/100000 of adderall is bad long term while aderral isn't?
Because one is a specifically dosed medicine which is prescribed together with a doctor or psychiatrist closely monitoring your health while the other is a drink with varying amounts of caffeine and other ingredients that can alter the effects of it
Can't believe I have to spell this shit out
What other ingredients? Water? Sugar?
sugar is the biggest culprit, also lack of L-Theanine causing some negative side effects
And again, they are entirely different types of stimulants, otherwise doctors would just prescribe coffee
why do normie idiots think caffeine is the same as adderall? they're not, they have very different effects. I wish everyone who thought they worked the same would just fucking kill themselves
because normies always assume that what works for them must work for everyone, usually out of a lack of real life experience with other people
The real question is what are the alternative meds available in cucked non-USA countries where shit like adderal is straight up FORBIDDEN?
Friend of mine had decent results with CBD, though I swear he also got dumber and more emotional from it
Try a mix of low-dosed caffeine, theanine, citrulin and supplement Omega-3 and Vit D
>theanine, citrulin
You mean those two things that have 0 evidence for working and are consoomer memes?
this is out of left field, but for some reason it works for me. Can you take Ibuprofen? When I have to get shit done and sit for like an hour or two, I take 400 to 800mg and it puts me in the zone. I don't know if you can take any caffeine but I usually drink a coke or redbull with it otherwise it can make you drowsy. Alternative ways to stay awake are to go for a walk or jack off a little without cuming
>400 to 800mg ibuprofen
will absolutely destroy your liver in the long run, especially paired with constant soda
you might have a light form of MIS or some other form of constant inflammation
ibuprofen acts on the liver? i was under the impression that it didnt affect the liver making it safe to take with acetaminophen/alcohol
800mg to get into a comfort zone, paired with caffeinated soda, possibly daily? Absolutely will fuck your liver sideways, though I'm assuming you/that guy take it daily
im not that guy, just curious where you heard about ibuprofen damaging the liver
less damaging to liver does not mean you can use it daily, especially at upper limit dose of 800mg
A recurring theme on here is people overdoing shit that is deemed fine in moderation, and that sounds exactly like it
the internet said the safe daily dose is 800 mgs!
my friend, just be careful with it and see if you can reduce inflammation through a healthier diet instead
I don't know you, but I don't want you to die of organ damage
based and appreciated, i usually take ibuprofen for headaches and migraines
for what it's worth, my mom got rid of her debilitating migraines through intermittent fasting and paying very close attention to constant hydration (with water), maybe this'll help you too
mine are caused by chemicals in the air (i think)
like those car air fresheners
one time i briefly walked through a dollarstore's air freshener aisle (picrel) and it gave me a 12 hour migraine with a few vomiting sessions
well if you still want it to smell good, you can cop some scented candles in non-cucked smells like firewood and tobacco pipe, bitches love that shit for some reason
sounds fucked up tho, I hope you find a way to deal with it consistently
when i get the chance ill isolate what chemical is responsible
because its not all scents, stick and spray deodorant produce no reaction, most candles produce no reaction.
so my hypothesis is there's some cheap, toxic chemical used in low value scents, and my body has a strong rejection of the chemical
reasonable hypothesis, fuck cheap trash products in general
agreed
not your liver, but your kidneys yes
acetaminophen (Tylenol) will destroy your liver
also want to add that those amounts are still within the daily recommended limit (it's only 2 to 4 pills at a time over the counter)
I'll concede that I'm assuming the anon in question chronically uses too much based on my experience with ADHD patients who find self medicating routes of dealing with the disorder
Man I gotta try some coffee
I also wanna mention the importance of channeling hyperfocus that you have. I do insanely boring shit that I'm excited about with no extra stimulation FOR HOURS.
So actually it's kinda like you're normally a DYEL but on occasion you can be superman. Learn to turn on the superman.
if you can focus and channel your "hyperfocus", you're not hyperfocusing, you're just concentrating - this shit is massively misunderstood even in ADHD circles
hyperfocus is by definition not something you can turn on or direct towards anything, it's a temporary fixation on something that provides enough stimulation and novelty in the moment
>it's a temporary fixation on something that provides enough stimulation and novelty in the moment
No it's on whenever you're interested/passionate about something.
Still may not gonna be on all the time doing the thing - but a lot of the time.
okay, so you're calling "liking something and therefore doing it a lot" hyperfocus
sounds like self-diagnosed teenage nonsense to me (or you've massively misunderstood the term)
no it's exactly what it is and it's a known ADHD phenomenon. sorry you have nothing you like in life
read up
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperfocus
I'm talking about Hyperfocus in people with ADHD, you're apparently just autistic
I am in the same boat as you, OP. I had to come off ADHD meds because of severe hypertension, I was going to blow a gasket in my brain or heart. There are other things that can help, but none will be as effective as Adderall.
> guanfacine
Great for me because it's also a hypertension med. Helps clear focus, but takes a few weeks to kick in. Plus your doc won't look at you like a fucking junkie when you ask for it.
> NAC
Not a lot of clear evidence (source? source? I need a SOURCE. Yes a peer-reviewed SOURCE or your claim is invalid), but anecdotally it helps me.
> extended fasting
Every time I am on an extended (24h+) fast, I get hyper-focused on work, because it's the only way NOT to think about food.
> cytomel/T3
This stuff is pure energy. I take it morning and night, and it wakes me up like Adderall does, but doesn't give you the same hyper-focus as amphetamine.
>gf claims to have ADHD
>chores are never done
>gets random bursts of energy
>not medicated so can't even steal and snort her Ritalin
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Effectively nothing. ADHD affects your ability to make and adhere to plans and that's the exact thing that you need to be able to do to solve any kind of problem.
t. ADHD.
I spent 6 years trying to fix my shit and failed. Took dexamphetamine and within 3 months I was functioning like any other normal human.
Surely there's SOMETHING you can do? Can't they replace the valve? Dex doesn't even affect my heart rate.