Diet for healthmaxxing

Who is right, the vegans saying meat causes heart problems.
Or the carnivores saying grains and leaves are poisonous?

  1. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Neither, both camps of absolutes are fucking retards who literally ignore the billions of people who don't follow either plan who have been healthy and lived long lives.
    Anyone pushing a diet of absolutes is a cultist dipshit who should be ignored. Meat has a place, vegetables and fruits have a place.

  2. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    What carnivore says grains and leaves are poisonous?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      90% of the retards in any given thread on IST.

  3. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    The vegans are more right than the carnivores, but both are wrong
    .
    Vegans are slightly wrong in that you can incorporate some meat (especially lean cuts that are low in saturated fat). Just dont eat as much meat as the average American and keep your cholesterol low .
    Grains and vegetables are life extending foods and are essential for healthmaxxing so carnivores are completely wrong.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >t.retard
      The saturated fat myth has completely fallen apart. Consumption of high sat fat dairy is inversely correlated with cardiovascular disease.

      https://i.imgur.com/L9rbS4J.png

      Who is right, the vegans saying meat causes heart problems.
      Or the carnivores saying grains and leaves are poisonous?

      Neither. Eating a varied omnivorous diet is best. Eat whole foods with appropriate macros. I.e. Bacon bad, lamb chops good. Cream sauce pasta bad, marinara with handmade meatballs good.
      Get an appropriate amount of protein (.8 g / lb) and fill in the rest with foods rich in micronutrients.

  4. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Veganism is a restrictive diet, that requires careful planning or supplementation to be complete. Meat has been shown to cause cancer, especially red meat and sausage/hotdogs. There is also a link between aging and animo acid consumption, restricting protein intake to replacement (75g/day) and calorie restriction (30% less tdee) have been proven to slow aging in twin mice studies. In reality, very little of diet sciences is known because it takes an entire lifetime to measure the effects. Some hunter gathers survived off >95% animal products and others have survived off >95% plants.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      So the best idea would be to just copy the traditional diet of a group which has good health and longevity?

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Not really, you should seek incorporate foods that have actually been proven to have health effects like oats for lowering cholesterol or dark chocolate lowering blood pressure of heart patients or coffee reducing all causes by 16%, as well as making sure it is complete in mirco nutrients. A sample diet might look something like:
        >2 cups of oats
        >1 oz almonds
        >2 cups of unsweetened almond milk
        >1 cup of strawberries
        >3 cups of cos lettuce
        >8 oz salmon
        >5 cups of coffee
        >1 oz 90% dark chocolate
        >5 oz red wine

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Meat has been shown to cause cancer, especially red meat and sausage/hotdogs
      Meat has been shown to NOT cause cancer by multiple RCTs. You are spouting vegan propaganda

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Meat has been shown to cause cancer
        Literally never has. Association is not causation yada yada yada
        >Thus, with the aim of lowering the risk of cancer, the recommendation to reduce the consumption of processed meat and meat products in the general population seems to be based on evidence that is not methodologically strong.
        https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/13/10/3601

        You can find studies to support whatever you want, but general health guidelines from all major health organizations say to avoid processed meat and red meat because they are known to cause cancer.

        https://www.cancerresearchuk.org/about-cancer/causes-of-cancer/diet-and-cancer/does-eating-processed-and-red-meat-cause-cancer
        https://www.cancercouncil.com.au/1in3cancers/lifestyle-choices-and-cancer/red-meat-processed-meat-and-cancer/
        https://www.who.int/news-room/questions-and-answers/item/cancer-carcinogenicity-of-the-consumption-of-red-meat-and-processed-meat

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Flawed data with tiny associations. Zero RCTs

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Sure bud, all health organizations are wrong and you are correct. It’s all a conspiracy by the garden gnomes to lower your test so morons can fuck the wife youll never have and exploit you for profit

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              Way to miss the point. The RCTs have all come back null. Not up for debate

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                You’re free to consoom it if you want, I’ll stick with the majority of doctors in the world for the last half century thanks

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          >arguing from authority on IST of all places
          go back

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          >avoid processed meat
          meaningless term

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            sadly the lower part is pumped full with nitrites for preservation
            that's why the processed part is probably bad in meat

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Meat has been shown to cause cancer
      Literally never has. Association is not causation yada yada yada
      >Thus, with the aim of lowering the risk of cancer, the recommendation to reduce the consumption of processed meat and meat products in the general population seems to be based on evidence that is not methodologically strong.
      https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/13/10/3601

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      fuck off and die vegan shill

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        I’m more of a wild caught from unpolluted waters pescatarian shill if anything

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >requires careful planning and supplementation
      Nope, the only supplement I take is thyroid hormone (nothing to do with my diet, cancer treatment fucked it up).
      t. vegan who eats vegetables and avoids goyslop, unlike most vegans

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >twin mice studies
      human != mouse

  5. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Who is right? The person saying eating fruits and vegetables is healthy, or the person saying eating hamburgers soaked in butter and bacon is healthy? Really keeps me up at night wondering which one is correct.

  6. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    grains and leaves are poisonous.

    Heart disease is not caused by meat. not saying im a fan but watch the anti vegan documentary svierge.

    Grains contain
    -little to no nutrition
    -gluten (increases gut permeability worsens neurological disease.)
    -opiates -(with weak BBB causes brain damage)

    leaves / plants like spinach contain phytic acid which demineralizes your bones and similar to wheat pulls minerals and metals out of your body and binds to them to be excreted and wasted.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      There is no evidence that gluten is bad for you. An incredibly small number of people are actually gluten intolerant, and they know because they have constant diarrhea.
      Grains are far more protein dense than rice and contain essential micronutrients and fibre.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Rice is a grain. Brown rice is better than pearl barley.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Isn't rice a grain? It's a grass seed

  7. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Both are wrong, we must eat only mushrooms. No meat, no fruits or vegetables. Mushrooms are the way.

  8. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Health maxxing both are wrong.
    Longer life tending more to vegan would be better (lower IGF-1) basically you have a continuum.
    On one end maximum gains maximum robustness maximum energy and performance. Live fast die young.
    The other end maximum preservation, slowing everything down, maximum energy conservation.
    Best off somewhere in the middle.
    Some longevity “experts” eat a calorie deficit forever, end up seeming slow and frail and tired, look older due to very low body fat, but they might live a few more years.
    Some bodybuilders pump hgh and steroids, seem very robust and strong and energetic then end up with problems.
    There is a very wide middle ground.
    There’s a lot of supplements and therapies now days that let you have both, but if standard food is the only variable that’s the options.

  9. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Low-carbohydrate, low-GI, Mediterranean, and high-protein diets are effective in improving various markers of cardiovascular risk in people with diabetes and should be considered in the overall strategy of diabetes management.
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23364002/
    Diabetes is the greatest risk factor for heart disease

  10. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Veganism is great if you want to die from a bone fracture
    >Compared with omnivores, vegetarians and vegans had lower BMD at the femoral neck and lumbar spine and vegans also had higher fracture rates.
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30376075/

  11. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >literally every human culture has meat, veggies, grains in their diet
    >suddendly a bunch of amerimutt basedboys in 2000 AC discover that meat gives you cancer and that vegetables give you heart attacks

  12. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >every vegamoron and autistic ketolard in this thread will die early or abandon their diet while everyone sensible is eating a balanced diet

  13. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Nobody wants to hear it, but the government is right. They literally fund people to sit in rooms for years researching this stuff.

    But you can't make money by shilling stuff that's available for free, so that's why all these meme diets gets promulgated by con artists.

    https://www.eatforhealth.gov.au/guidelines

    Best advice I ever heard was 'every meal should have at least 3 different colours'. And lollies aren't a colour. It's very practical advice.

  14. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >all free range locally sourced Turkey, chicken, beef, pork
    >a significant amount of your protein intake being scallops, shrimp, crabs, lobster, oysters, clams, crawfish, squid.
    >locally sourced vegetables like cabbage, broccoli, carrots, spinach, bok choy, tomato’s, squash (this is where most of your carbs should come from)
    >a LOT of mushrooms included in every meal
    >a LOT of Kim Chi and other fermented things and brined things like pickles
    >no alcohol at all
    >no drugs

  15. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Anon, you can pretty much eat anything but I would stay away from seed oils and grains, specifically overly processed grains.
    >Why?
    The fat within seed oils is bad for you and grains are high in calories but provide little to no nutritional value. I recommend replacing most of your grains with legumes.

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