Dietary Carbohydrates Impair Healthspan and Promote Mortality

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28978421/

Seethe sugarfags.

  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Low protein, low carb diets are also bad for athletic performance so you will live life as a turbo dyel without any sex drive

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Keto isn't low protein

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        A good amount of carbs is optimal for muscle synthesis and athletic performance

        Most retards on this board call you a dyel for merely suggesting keto or carnivore.

        Because you are - post body

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The only acceptable carb sources are low glycemic leafy greens and maybe tomatoes, carrots, peppers, onions and garlic in moderation. Never going over 100g of carbs a day. (Under 50 if you're keto).

          Sugars aren't necesary to build muscle, they're just easy sources of energy.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Post body with timestamp

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Post deez nuts. You just want to grow muscle on easy mode.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Well who doesn't you turbo brainlet
                You will always be dyel and perform extremely suboptimal in strength sports and bodybuolding without carbs
                End of Story dyel gay

              • 1 month ago
                OP

                t. overcompensating PED riddled chud

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                T dyel who cant handle the truth

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Keto is like 80%+ fats so yeah, it is low protein. Modern "keto" with 90% protein from lean meats and whey isn't keto at all. The idea behind keto is being able to rack up lots of calories with small amounts of foods, so you are supposed to consume the fattest parts of the animals, not the lean ones

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It's adequate protein, not low. You don't know what keto is apparently. Even the fattest parts of the animals have plenty of protein.

          Ever heard of "rabbit starvation"? Too much protein is unhealthy.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            That’s from lack of fat not high protein

            • 1 month ago
              OP

              exactly, ratio matters

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                ratiod

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        When done properly yes it is. If you eat high protein keto you just start using the protein as a carb substitute.

        • 1 month ago
          OP

          I didn't say it's high protein either, I meant it's adequate protein, not too high, not too low.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Carnivore diet is high fat, high protein.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Surprising nobody.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Most retards on this board call you a dyel for merely suggesting keto or carnivore.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        That's just aggressive leftist shills. They think we're Nazis and don't want us to be fit. I've learned to mentally filter them.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Yep, either leftist gays or retards who don't know how to get over their sugar addiction and won't even try.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Keto is unsustainable for anyone who isn't a shut in NEET expending 900 calories a day. Lifting 3 days a week is probably doable on keto, but that's assuming you do no other demanding activity.
        Try being a brick layer, farm hand, carpenter, electrician, or literally any fucking job that is conducive to a functioning society on your gay little modern zogbot diet and see if you don't collapse from exhaustion 3 days in.
        This is how privileged you are in your oblivious first world life - you voluntarily turn down what half the world population would kill for.
        And you do it because of memes on the internet. Lol. Lmao, actually.

        • 1 month ago
          OP

          You can get used to keto doing those jobs too. At first you'd need some carbs obviously, b ut as you get used to the job, the activity will become more and more aerobic, and therefore you can get back to keto.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            xD
            ok bro, enjoy your dietary choices

            • 1 month ago
              OP

              I work on my grandparent's farm, 12 hours, 2 days a week and lift 3 days a week on top of that. It's a large farm, with olive trees. Half the jobs you've mentioned are less demanding than that. Except for brick layer

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Those are jobs literally fat, retarded men who die of heart attacks nearing retirement age can do. How is that producing "exhaustion 3 days in" for a fit man doing keto?

          • 1 month ago
            OP

            He probably tried it for a few days, got the so called "keto flu" as most sugar addicts and gave up.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          People are performing at world champion levels athletically on zero carb diets.

          You're just a fat carb addict who can't go half the day without eating more carbs. And you cry and whine about how it's totally necessary because you need energy. You're carrying around plenty of energy. Humans carry plenty of fat for energy, especially modern humans.

          I suspect you're a whiny baby who makes excuses not to quit your sweet and starchy treats. If you truly cant do anything without eating carbs every few hours you're physically sick and metabolically diseased. Fix yourself immediately.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >PURE
    "Carbohydrates" included soda and candy consumed in third world slums. nothing surprising here.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Sugar is sugar. Most of the starchy and sweet fruits we have today have been bred to be more and more sugary with each generation, to the point they're toxic for us in excess.

      There's a reason Acarbosa increases lifespan in mice every time.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Sugar is sugar
        Wrong

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          sugar is sugar, the only difference is amount and how much fiber you've got to moderate absorption, regardless of amount of fiber, the most sugary carbs (even natural ones) will still give you a significant spike

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >sugar is sugar
            Wrong again.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Get a taste of deez nuts

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >le insulin bad
            enjoy your sky high shbg and low free test

            • 1 month ago
              OP

              I'm not saying insulin is bad, I'm saying chronic insulin spikes are bad, there's a difference.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        proccessed sugars and regular sugars are way fucking different. one gets digested normally, no insulin spikes and the other cant get digested normally and spikes your insulin among other things. learn your shit retard

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Sugar with high fat is not sugar with truly low fat

        • 1 month ago
          OP

          Honestly if you're gonna have high carbs, better not have much fat with it to minimize damage. But I wouldn't recommend a long term diet like that.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Wouldn't an optimal diet be strict carnivore but eating raw dairy products, honey or berries one day per week? I'm thinking about doing it, actually, but I don't know if metabolic flexibility is good per se, or if carbs are really needed.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Sugar is harmful. Perfect diet is red meat and water.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                What about fermented dairy? There's evidence things like kefir (I used to drink a liter of it every day, homebrewed, raw) are good for your gut and are nutritious.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Fermentation reduces carbs.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                But that's why I used to drink kefir: it's delicious, it has literally less than half the carb content of milk, and it seems to be good for your gut. What I'm asking is if eating just some carbs (below 20 or 30 grams) sparingly throughout the month is really sub-obtimal.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Small amounts are NBD but YMMV.

              • 1 month ago
                OP

                kefir is excellent for gut microbiome, the issue is it's a probiotic, (beneficial bacteria) but you also need to feed the bacteria with prebiotics (plants). If you're gonna do carnivore, introducing bacteria in your gut that's gonna die anyway cause you're not feeding it seems counter productive.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Shawn faker has the cholesterol of a heart disease patient and the test of a 90 year old man. Mic the vegan has more testosterone than him. Doing steroids to gain muscle doesn't make you manly.

              • 1 month ago
                OP

                Cholesterol is healthy. It's oxidized small dense LDL cholesterol that accumulates on the endothelial walls, which is only produced by ? You guessed it, eating a lot of carbs, specially grains with gluten, which causes chronic inflammation which in turn generates a higher proportion of that oxidized LDL

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                LOL enjoy the heart attack ketolard, just like jim fixx and his 3 80% blocked major arteries on his morning running with his skinny body.

              • 1 month ago
                OP

                Prove that cholesterol causes heart disease. And no, correlation studies don't prove causality. LDL cholesterol is there to actually help reduce inflammation, so it's not causation.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                sure whatever you say ketolard, just keep eating those steaks and fatty salmon cuts.

              • 1 month ago
                OP

                Lol you retards keep posting that idiot, but never ever prove anything. He probably did a lot of dirty keto.

                Some weeks I go without meat or fish at all and do vegan keto, it's a pretty flexible diet.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                https://i.imgur.com/BPPNEid.png

                https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28978421/

                Seethe sugarfags.

                I’m not sneething against keto I just think it’s stupid. Unnatural mentality produced by our unnatural society. If you think adding boiled sweet potatoes or even white potatoes to your diet is going to make you fat or unhealthy you’re just fucking stupid. You can say whatever you want but there’s literally no argument to be made. And the body functions FAR better during exercise and builds muscle better with some carbs. Some people can succeed in spite of this especially on gear but that doesn’t make it any less retarded. It’s just a bizarre overwrought mentality that’s more like a religion than anything else

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                those who are already insulin resistant need to reduce carbohydrates. not all carbs are equal which is leafy greens are encouraged on keto even if they may not be necessary

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Well, that’s true. It can certainly be done intelligently. I just think for most people it’s just an excuse to eat a pound of bacon or four hamburgers without buns. I won’t even get into eating a stick of butter. People who eat lean meat and sautéed vegetables and include fat intelligently I think it’s alright though more carbs is better for people who exercise a lot. I just think the average retard is even less likely to do Keri intelligently than lots of other diets

              • 1 month ago
                OP

                A lot of people have some degree of insulin resistance without knowing. The problem is, when you do know, it's usually too late, it can take years or even decades to reverse the condition and it doesn't really ever reverse completely.

              • 1 month ago
                OP

                It's true that you perform better on carbs, for a short period of time, I'll give you that much. That doesn't mean it's healthier, however. It's like saying that taking steroids is healthy.

                Keto is only rare in our deeply sick society. We've been food secure for so long, with our farms, that we don't remember the time when we didn't have regular feeding schedules and relied on hunting mostly and gathering plants as a last resort. You only have to see what we burn when we're fasting. Fat. The healthiest form of energy.

                You can twist logic and do as many mental gymnastics as you want, but you're still wrong.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                What you’re saying is just not true. Humans have always had carbs
                >Ötzi the iceman chowed down on some mouthwatering morsels: wild meat from ibex and red deer, cereals from einkorn wheat and — oddly enough — poisonous fern, a new study finds
                Watch a documentary on papacy new Guineans in the middle of the jungle. They grind up sago, mix it with water, and then consume basically pure starch. Mental gymnastics is pretending all humans ate like eskimos (who have genetic adaptations that the rest of us don’t, like larger livers, specifically because their diet is so unusual) and even they ate stuff like berries when they could.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                *papua

              • 1 month ago
                OP

                I never said we NEVER ate carbs. Just that it wasn't as usual as it is now.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I'd rather look and perform like Shawn Baker. His body is actually using the testosterone. His testosterone receptors work properly. Something is clearly wrong with Mic the Vegan. He's not masculine at all despite supposedly having high test.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The vegan is probably on TRT

            • 1 month ago
              OP

              Personally I don't endorse carnivore, but many people seem to do good on it. Test and see for yourself. For me, keto + low carb veggies work better, and personally I think it's better for gut microbiome, but that's an opinion, not fact, yet.

              If you're gonna go balls deep into carnivore with some occasional honey, I'd recommend you take the honey or whatever alone, without meat, and the same day you're gonna do hard workout, in order to burn them quick. I don't think high carbs + saturated fat is a good combination for the same meal.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                kefir is excellent for gut microbiome, the issue is it's a probiotic, (beneficial bacteria) but you also need to feed the bacteria with prebiotics (plants). If you're gonna do carnivore, introducing bacteria in your gut that's gonna die anyway cause you're not feeding it seems counter productive.

                Very informative, thanks

              • 1 month ago
                OP

                no probs mate, you won't get the same courtesy from vegan fags lurking here, they're always on edge cause they've hormonal imbalances, due to low cholesterol

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    nice paper retard, did you actually read it?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Obviously, gay

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28978421/
    >"nutritive carbohydrates increase human mortality, whereas dietary fat reduces it"
    hmm sounds fishy. I'll check out the study
    "The PURE study has already been criticized for misleadingly generalizing a statistical effect that may be also due to confounding factors. Specifically, income- and geography-dependent nutritional habits of specific subgroups would not be applicable to westernized high-income societies (which, however, had been included into PURE). Indeed, Dehghan et al., 2017 did not analyze which specific source of carbohydrates (e.g., sugar/refined carbs versus whole-grain products) may contribute to the detrimental effects of carbs observed, especially since income and wealth do impact the quality of dietary choices significantly. This criticism, however, misses the fact that a (not immediately accessible) re-analysis additionally adjusting for household income and wealth, as well as for socioeconomic status of the respective country, did not affect the key observations of the study by any means (appendix, p. 34 of Dehghan et al., 2017).
    Taking the body of preceding evidence both from model organisms as well as human epidemiology into account, we therefore believe that current nutritional recommendations in regards to macronutrients, but most importantly in regards to refined carbs and sugar, should indeed be fundamentally reconsidered. Moreover, pharmacological options to mimic low-carb nutrition (i.e., without the need for an actual reduction of carbohydrate intake; Figure 1) may offer a promising approach easier to obtain than achieving changes in nutritional habits of the general population."
    The study puts all carb eaters in the same bucket. So whole-grain, oat and fruit eaters in the same bucket with fatties who eat sugar-added bagels, cereals, ice cream and donuts. The underlying study compares macro-nutrient content and its followup adjust for socio-economic strata but NOT calories.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It also doesn't adjust for bodybuilders. If you lift, you're just dumb to eat low carb. But you should already know that so I assume you're not lifting. No serious lifter, lifts without high carb intakes because it's essential in sparing muscle, growing muscle, and muscle glycogen stores. Your study is a general population study for fat people because the general population is fat and overweight, and the fatties concerned with their health do keto because it's less effort than being a human being and exercising and eating actually healthy.
      On high fat diets, you can lose weight like everyone else can because you're eating less calories, high fat only means you may have less hunger cues because you're body is taking longer to digest calorie-rich fats which leads to lower calorie intake.
      The real way to eat healthy is to track your food, hit an essential minimum in fat, add more fats to taste but not over .55 grams per pound of bodyweight (or you'll gain more fat than muscle on bulks), hit your protein requirement, and fill the rest with carbs.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      yes, there might be some nuance and grounds for further study. But it shows, without the shadow of a doubt, that high carbohydrate intakes are detrimental.

      Doesn't exactly look good even for the so called "health carbs" like whole oats or fruits. Except maybe eaten sparingly, but their utility as a health tool is questionable at best.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >it shows, without the shadow of a doubt, that high carbohydrate intakes are detrimental.
        Wrong
        >Doesn't exactly look good even for the so called "health carbs" like whole oats or fruits
        Wrong

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Doesn't exactly look good even for the so called "health carbs" like whole oats or fruits. Except maybe eaten sparingly, but their utility as a health tool is questionable at best.
        You didn't read the study. They did not compare carbs. They studied a fat general population. This says nothing for lifters, and no serious lifter eats low carb. You are fat. I can guarantee this.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Obviously. Lifters are a minority, I still don't see your point. Your adhoms don't mean shit

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            If you don't lift get the fuck off of IST retard

            You're fucking obese. Stop giving people diet and health advice

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              10% bodyfat here, gay. Also this is not a powerlifting board, meathead, go fuck yourself.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Post body with timestamp then

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >135,000 participants from 18 countries
    I'm gonna assume that the higher-carb populations were not eating minimally processed whole foods as their carb sources...

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      they weren't and this study offers NO analysis of fiber rich whole carb foods vs sugar-added decadent foods. The study is for fat people

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I love how vegans were using their own retarded studies to slam saturated fat whilst we pointed out the same shit. Those studies didn't look at carbohydrate intake at all.

        Muh fiber shit is a cope, fiber only reduces the spike to around half, but it's still a hell of a lot higher spike than that of low carb veggies. Only proper paleo veggies are healthy. Everything else has been bred to toxic levels of sugar/starch.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Only proper paleo veggies are healthy. Everything else has been bred to toxic levels of sugar/starch.
          all crops have been selectively bred retard, including livestock

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Ok, let's not eat then

            proccessed sugars and regular sugars are way fucking different. one gets digested normally, no insulin spikes and the other cant get digested normally and spikes your insulin among other things. learn your shit retard

            You clearly haven't measured your sugar levels after eating bread or potatoes. Bread is particularily bad btw, gluten allows LPS endotoxins to permeate through your bowel into your bloodstreeam, causing generalized chronic inflammation which leads to heart disease.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >Ok, let's not eat then
              yeah that is the conclusion if you strictly apply this nonsense

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                No, you're a fuckin idiot. We should eat the fooods that are less tampered with, therefore low carb veggies, and proper animal products (meat, eggs and raw dairy)

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                All foods have been tampered with

                A cow is not even the same species as it was in Roman times when it started to become domesticated.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Romans aren't exactly a good control group. They had obesity too. Too much bread.

                Look at the mongols, they could go weeks without food, they were peak storng and their only source of carbs was raw dairy.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You don't know what the obesity rate in ancient rome was retard

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Obviously not as bad as today, because people actually moved and had to work their ass. But there are many accounts of fat people.

                Egyptians, from the same era, were known as "bread eaters", and all of their elite died of heart disease. (we know this by analysis of the momified remains)

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                My god how fucking retarded can a person be

                You don't know the obesity rate because it's not knowable.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                keep coping, diabetus

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Literal gyno before refined carbs? HOW CAN THIS BE? OMG

                All high GI carbs are cancer.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Posts picture of nobility
                They ate the most meat. The peasants ate the most grain. Remember?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Not on ancient egypt. They ate as much meat as they ate bread. Every meal had bread. There's a reason why they're called "bread eaters" (Artophagoi) by the elites from other civilizations who visited.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Not on ancient egypt. They ate as much meat as they ate bread.
                Wrong

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You're a fuckless obese retard and you only eat fatty meat, I guess that solves the question

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Far from the truth. I sometimes do whole weeks of what I call "autophagy week", which means I only eat low carb vegan. So lots of nuts, leafy greens and some legumes too.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Obviously most of the calories come from Olive and avocado oil, during those weeks.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Sugar addict got destroye
                d

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                We should eat the fooods that are less tampered with, therefore low carb veggies, and proper animal products (meat, eggs and raw da-ACK

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >You clearly haven't measured your sugar levels after eating bread or potatoes. Bread is particularily bad btw, gluten allows LPS endotoxins to permeate through your bowel into your bloodstreeam, causing generalized chronic inflammation which leads to heart disease.
              post body fatty

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Some did, some didn't. But whatever adjusts to your bias I guess.

      It also doesn't adjust for bodybuilders. If you lift, you're just dumb to eat low carb. But you should already know that so I assume you're not lifting. No serious lifter, lifts without high carb intakes because it's essential in sparing muscle, growing muscle, and muscle glycogen stores. Your study is a general population study for fat people because the general population is fat and overweight, and the fatties concerned with their health do keto because it's less effort than being a human being and exercising and eating actually healthy.
      On high fat diets, you can lose weight like everyone else can because you're eating less calories, high fat only means you may have less hunger cues because you're body is taking longer to digest calorie-rich fats which leads to lower calorie intake.
      The real way to eat healthy is to track your food, hit an essential minimum in fat, add more fats to taste but not over .55 grams per pound of bodyweight (or you'll gain more fat than muscle on bulks), hit your protein requirement, and fill the rest with carbs.

      You can build decent muscle on low carb, it just takes a lot longer since you can't go to extreme anabolysm. I don't see much of a difference between being sugar riddled and doing PEDs or HRT, or doing coffee. They're not optimal for health, they're optimal for physical performance.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >sugar-riddled
        You still aren't breaking up your understanding of high fiber carb sources (healthy) and sugar bombs (unhealthy).

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I understand fiber modulates sugar absorption. But it's still a cope, half a spike is still considerable when compared to low GI carbs.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >fat bad
    >carbs bad
    >protein bad
    ray peat ad nauseous

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Saturated fat is our natural fuel, retard. Good quality protein in moderate amounts is good too, only you retards will never know what's moderate, because you're so addicted to sugar you can't even skip a meal.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Saturated fat is our natural fuel
        Wrong

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Fuck off chud. What do you think we burn when we go days without food, retard?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >What do you think we burn when we go days without food
            Bodyfat.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              And what's bodyfat genius? It's saturated fat mostly. Polyunsaturated is extremely unstable and we barely store it, it only generates oxidative stress. Maybe some monounsaturated too.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >It's saturated fat mostly
                Wrong

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                eat my nuts

                Post body with timestamp then

                I'm not a man whore like you gays. I don't have pics at the ready to show. How about you do it first then?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >I'm not a man whore like you gays. I don't have pics at the ready to show. How about you do it first then?
                The only one I would accept is one you take right now

                The fact that you won't is proof that you are just some gay that watched a few youtube videos and has been programmed to believe in the flavor of the month diet fad

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The fact that you won't take a pic is proof that you're a fat bloatlord

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    yep, cico and macros, simple as

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Baldcels iffy uh, ketards can't get stiffy uh.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2050116122000137#:~:text=Conclusion,muscle%20via%20NO%2Doperated%20nerves.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I never said "go zero carb"

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    High carb intake is and will always be on par with caffeine, PEDS, HRT and every other performance enhancing drugs. It also accelerates aging.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Meanwhile, in reality.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      cool cherrypicking, nobody cares

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        this guy is a dyel

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          He's old... But ok, here's another

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            why is he so red?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              lighting? fuck do I know.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Anon that's a steroid physique

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >roids = bad
                no

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Ryan Talbot just won the All-America Decathlon on the carnivore diet. No carbs.

          Carbs are cancelled.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >98% of athletes consume high carb diets.
            >2% of athletes use low carb

            Yeah, somehow carbs are cancelled.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Carbs are easy. Low carb is risky because it's relatively new. Most people are gonna choose the path or less resistance.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Carbs are easy.
                Are they? Then why is low carb such a popular dieting method? It's billed as an "easy way" to lose weight in part because cutting carbs is easy for people. People can easily drop the rice and keep the steak.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Are they? Then why is low carb such a popular dieting method? It's billed as an "easy way" to lose weight in part because cutting carbs is easy for people. People can easily drop the rice and keep the steak.
                every obese boomer retard I know is doing keto and is still fat

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >every obese boomer retard I know is doing keto and is still fat
                I know. But they do lose "some" weight.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, the water weight from having less water retention

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Because low carb allows you to lose weight whilst being sedentary. Adapting to an exercise lifestyle with low carb, that's what's complicated.

                >Are they? Then why is low carb such a popular dieting method? It's billed as an "easy way" to lose weight in part because cutting carbs is easy for people. People can easily drop the rice and keep the steak.
                every obese boomer retard I know is doing keto and is still fat

                Most people who claim to do keto aren't doing keto really. Just to give you an example, some french dude the other day sweared by god he was doing keto and not losing weight, but when we reviewed his diet turned out he was eating a ton of cashews every day (which have a lot of carbs).

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Because low carb allows you to lose weight whilst being sedentary
                You can lose weight while being sedentary on any diet.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                On keto you can eat to satiation, and still lose weight because it allows you to remain on ketosis. Other diets will keep you tortured with ups and downs of sugar levels and hunger.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >On keto you can eat to satiation, and still lose weight
                Again, true on any diet.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Just to give you an example, some french dude the other day sweared by god he was doing keto and not losing weight, but when we reviewed his diet turned out he was eating a ton of cashews every day (which have a lot of carbs).
                Cashews are 70% fat and 17% carbs

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah and you can easily go over the limit of carbs for the keto diet if you eat a bunch of them. Remember the limit is 30g (50g at most)

                >On keto you can eat to satiation, and still lose weight
                Again, true on any diet.

                No.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Yeah and you can easily go over the limit of carbs for the keto diet if you eat a bunch of them. Remember the limit is 30g (50g at most)
                So it's your contention that crossing an arbitrary 50g carb threshold is the difference between losing fat and not losing fat?

              • 1 month ago
                OP

                It's not arbitrary. Some people can even go over 50, depends on genetics. The goal is to keep a good level of ketones in blood at all times. Obviously you have to measure, but if you can't or don't want measure it, 30g limit seems to work for most people.

              • 1 month ago
                OP

                What you want to achieve is as little activation of insulin as possible. Triggering insulin means you're in fat storage mode, which is what you want to avoid whilst trying to lose weight.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Keto is below 20g carb/day. Cashews are way too high carb.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                It's not arbitrary. Some people can even go over 50, depends on genetics. The goal is to keep a good level of ketones in blood at all times. Obviously you have to measure, but if you can't or don't want measure it, 30g limit seems to work for most people.

                What you want to achieve is as little activation of insulin as possible. Triggering insulin means you're in fat storage mode, which is what you want to avoid whilst trying to lose weight.

                Your body can and does still add dietary fat to your bodyfat regardless of insulin levels.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Carbs are a meme. Now that carnivore athletes are winning gold the carb loading fad will finally die.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Now that carnivore athletes are winning gold the carb loading fad will finally die.
                Name 5 gold winning carnivores.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Amazing.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Yeah it's actually super impressive. He's 2nd year in university and it was his first try at the decathlon if I remember the details. Here's an interview:

              Dr Chaffee says this guy will probably end up on a wheaties box before he finishes school.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      These vegans are "lean" because they're malnourished skeletons and their body can barely keep them alive

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >a small 6 month couple month type shitter study
    >on diseases like heart disease, obesity that take decades to develop
    Plant based diets are the only diet proven to reverse almost blocked arteries and low bloodflow to the heart.

    Name one fat ass ketolard that has a solution to reversing heart disease with evidence.

  14. 1 month ago
    OP

    I personally do not endorse carnivore diet btw. I think keeping a good gut microbiome is as crucial as going low carb. However some people seem to do extremely well on it.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The longest living people with the highest life expectancy of 100 ate a 95% whole grain carb diet, in excess of 180g of carbs a day.

    This has been studied in the 1950's with the Okinawans and is factual, it is truth and it is reality. The macronutrients are recorded. This japan national nutrition survey was archived by the US.

    You can cope and seethe with reality all you want IST ketolards.

    • 1 month ago
      OP

      >Comparing anecdotal evidence to modern standards
      Mate, people used to live to 120 easily, before the classical era. There are plenty of refferences in ancient texts.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Okay vegan.

        This is objective evidence of macronutrients they recorded in the 50's.

        you CAN choose to say
        >WAHHHHH I DON'T WANT TO LISTEN WAAAAHHHH

        and put your fingers in your ears but it won't change reality

        • 1 month ago
          OP

          You can cry all you want. It's stil anecdotal.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >It's stil anecdotal.
            >objective measurement of macronutrients

            You misspelled a word while you typed out your cope post.

            WAHHHHHHHHHHH

            • 1 month ago
              OP

              >muh objective measurements of macronutrients
              That's not the point you absolute retard. It's the fact that a bunch of people crossed the 100 year old barrier, without looking at the specifics. Maybe most of those people lived like living corpses to the end, which certainly isn't desireable.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I was agreeing with you vegfriend. I'm going to eat grains like I've been told.

          I also just finally decided to schedule a corona vaccine. I should have trusted the experts.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The US government is the biggest funder of meat and dairy. Also goalposting, Okinawans ate 95% grain based and lived to 100, you will eternally cope.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              You have me convinced. No more meat or dairy for me.

              Should I eat bugs, or is it okay to eat only plants?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Okay vegan.

    • 1 month ago
      OP

      Btw, nothing activates mTOR more than grains and high carb foods do. Which is the opposite of anti-aging. (mTOR inhibits autophagy)

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >my pseudoscience is true if I believe it is!
        >what? the people who lived to 100? nope the macros are just lies!

        Okinawans eat tons of pork though

        modern day Okinawans do and now they die at 80. This factual nutritional survey done by the japanese government was done in the 50's.

        have a nice day

        • 1 month ago
          OP

          Living to 100 should be normal. Retard. Also it's not pseudoscience. What is pseudoscience is your anecdotal shit.

          https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4382265/

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >muh objective measurements of macronutrients
            That's not the point you absolute retard. It's the fact that a bunch of people crossed the 100 year old barrier, without looking at the specifics. Maybe most of those people lived like living corpses to the end, which certainly isn't desireable.

            Yes, and they lived to 100 eating 95% grain based and low fat which is proven. Which is the same shit in japan today where they eat low fat.

            This is just insane cope LMAO.
            >b-b-buh they lived to 100 because of magic and coincidences!
            >NO IT WASN'T BECAUSE OF THEIR DIET YOU VEGAN!

            • 1 month ago
              OP

              Yeah and some tibetan monks live a long time eating a small bowl of rice. The body adapts by slowing down metabolism, but I wouldn't wanna live that shit life.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Yeah and some tibetan monks live a long time eating a small bowl of rice. The body adapts by slowing down metabolism, but I wouldn't wanna live that shit life.

              I'm almost certain it's the reduced calories that made them live to 100, not the contents of the diet. And monks will do periods of fasting which certainly helps.

              • 1 month ago
                OP

                I agree. Slowing down metabolism is a sad way to live though. You also think slower, so I don't see what the point is. It's like getting frozen in time, kind of.

                The optimal way to fast is with irregularity. That's how you keep your metabolism up.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >have a nice day
          Why are carb eaters so angry?

          [...]
          Don't worry since you wan't to live to 50 you'll die like jim fixx of a heart attack on your morning run. At least you'll be skinny with that calories counting.

          >you'll die
          Like the "winter of death" leftists threatened us with if we didn't get the clotshot?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >you'll die
            Yes, being skinny doesn't mean shit if your arteries are blocked with plaque and you have a thrombosis.
            See jim fixx, being skinny doesn't mean shit. No amount of running can unclog those arteries except with diet dumb gay.

            Americans are so retarded why do they lack the fundamental basic knowledge of nutrition.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              I survived the winter without getting the pseudovaccine.

              Leftists always threaten people to get their way. Not gonna eat the plant slop. I'm just not doing it.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I didn't get the vaccine either, you're still going to die for being a retard and not knowing oil clogs arteries. Doesn't matter whether it's plant oils, or fatty animal oils. You are going to die of a heart attack KEK. Nutrition is not some moral or political stance fucking idiot, its a question of wellbeing.

              • 1 month ago
                OP

                brainlet tier broscience kek. You know we use those fats as tryglicerides for energy don't you? The only way it gets accumulated is by eating a lot of carbs and never burning fat

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Okinawans eat tons of pork though

    • 1 month ago
      OP

      What you cultist retards fail to understand is that we don't thrive on a single diet type. The best diet is one that has into account and mimicks prehistorical seasonality. A good rotation of carnivore, low carb keto and some occasional carb cycling is a good paradigm. Each diet type has some benefits.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You have me convinced. No more meat or dairy for me.

        Should I eat bugs, or is it okay to eat only plants?

        Don't worry since you wan't to live to 50 you'll die like jim fixx of a heart attack on your morning run. At least you'll be skinny with that calories counting.

        • 1 month ago
          OP

          You can't reason with cultists. Fine fuck off

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You literally cannot convince me to give up on carbs. Literally no solid arguments. The fact that my energy levels are perfect day by day and I’m staying lean while having a good amount of muscle mass. What is the point of going low carb? So I lost performance and gains? Fuck off im going to eat some fruits now

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    ketoCHADs, we win yet again

  18. 1 month ago
    OP

    I'm eating chorizo right now, guys. Want some?

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    switching to the all aspartame diet absorb nothing just maintain gods image

    • 1 month ago
      OP

      Or just stop the addiction to sweets.

      >Aspartame has been linked to behavioral and cognitive problems including learning problems, headache, seizure, migraines, irritable moods, anxiety, depression, and insomnia - Quick google search

      Maybe Stevia or Monk Fruit are better alternatives?

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I'd just like to say I do "keto", which is what I tell my friends so they just accept it when I dine out or drink white claws.

    I'm down 15 pounds in three weeks. I don't snack much except for gas station beef jerky next to my job or a handful of almonds or bite of cheese every now and then.

    My sweet tooth is gone and my sugar cravings are down, but I live my life too. I probably don't even do actual keto because I enjoy a splash of oatmilk in my coffee and I'd rather die before I let small pleasures like that go out the door. Instead I'm opting for maximum sustainability. I feel great, I'm down in my weight and I eat considerably low-carb high protein. I don't track macros either. I'm getting alot of compliments and feeling confident each day and looking forward to new lows, especially because trimming down is revealing my moderate weightlifting. Make it work for you and sustainable, I think that's the key. I used to have terrible heartburn and gasiness and both of those have been knocked out.

    • 1 month ago
      OP

      Some keto is better than no keto at all. Good job mate.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Have 35% whipping cream in your coffee. It's much better.

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Keto and nutritional deficit go hand in hand. Trying to keto while bulking/maintaining is retarded.

    • 1 month ago
      OP

      Do you live on the same planet as the rest of us? Meat and fatty fish are the most nutritionally dense foods we can eat,

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        What's your diet, exactly? And your eating pattern (fasting)

        • 1 month ago
          OP

          I don't have a pattern. That's the whole point. When I feel like eating meat, I eat meat or fish. When I get tired of meat I eat mostly veggies (salads, leafy greens, and other low carb veggies with olive oil and some nuts).
          I let my body decide when it's time to eat. If I'm not hungry, I skip the meal. I've done many 24h fasts like that, without even thinking about it. I just wasn't hungry.

        • 1 month ago
          OP

          Oh, and as for prolonged fasting, I try to do one at least every two weeks. 48h minimum

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