Dirty boxing

Why is there no book or manual about dirty boxing?

You know, the old school stuff, hidden elbows, eye gouges (not doable anymore bc of the changes to gloves), headbutts, shoulder strikes etc. People loved doing that shit 100 years ago.

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    In wrestling, just grab the fingers or poke the eyes. You can also hit their balls every time you get your arm between their legs, say, for a takedown or something. And ofc, the oil check.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >grb fingers
      Is absolutely broken if you can get away with it in grappling. You can completely control their hands and arms and don't even need much strength to hurt them. BUT only grab 1-2 fingers at most every time. 3 fingers and more can resist your grip if the other guy is strong/desperate.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Brawler-kun

      That little stuff would do nothing to a blind bull like me. Even groin attacks are just pain signal cues. Pain signals mean nothing to an adrenaline junkie. You have to be a physical presence that dominates and limits your opponent into off kilter imbalanced surrender. Keep straight and make your opponent crooked. Cheap tricks are only worth if they are especially nasty like an angled elbow or a sneaky kick following a hook or a finger locking snapper mutiliation move.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        But what if your opponent sees red and just keeps tearing into your body and ignores your pain resistance? You'll finish the fight missing an eye, your balls, your fingers, your ears and your nose when they get bitten/ripped off.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >the oil check.
    ????

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Putting finger(s) into opponent's butthole. Not kidding, not trolling. Yes, grappling is gay.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Ofc, Black folk overdo the cheating every time.

        Unfortunately, boxing is quite more complicated, because it's generally faster and more painful than wrestling. In wrestling people who sepcialise in dirty fighting usually train it on dummies or with drills. If you train it full resistance while sparring, you run out of willing partners soon. Nobody wants his yes poked or his fngers jamemd or butthole fondled every day.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        how disgusting

      • 3 weeks ago
        Brawler-kun

        I reacted strongly to this happening to me. A Turk did this to me and perhaps because of token diversity plot armor no one got mad at him. As my patience for the referee was exhausted in neglect I picked him up off the ground and body slammed him. I was almost expelled and suspended and even arrested.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    100 years ago boxing also had grappli g and take downs. This stuff wasn't dirty, it was just boxing. Boxing is how it is today because of rule changes happening gradually over time because people don't like seeing someone beaten to death in a gambling sport, nor should people have to see that on a fun night out.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yes, it was all legal in the 1700s, I know, but anyway, is there a manual on those techniques? I got the Nat Fleischer books from the 1920s and they don't talk about illegal techniques, only admitting they exist.

      Also, boxing was self defense mostly at the time, so Idgaf about gamblers' fee-fees.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        But the books by Nat Fleischer are fricking awesome, can only recommend. Two of the few books that actually tell youhow to build a routine and train with the routine - reps, sets, rounds etc.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No, boxing was a sport for poor fricks who powerful people used and abused for gambling purposes. It still is with only the odd golden goose being allowed to become wealthy. It is a slave's pursuit, the illusion of martial prowess while not being allowed weapons. Declawed cats slapping each other in essence.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          autistic pseud

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You're going to find that it's still 95% fundamentals, drilling punches, parries, and takedowns. Very little "secret" or "dirty" techniques because they knew even back then that those don't really exist. Secret techniques are an Asian martial arts marketing trick. You're also going to find it's very anachronistic. This is a time when the jab wasn't invented yet, hooks weren't invented yet. It was all either "pure punches" or "swings". You're better off in a plain MMA class. But if you insist, I'm an amateur historian of boxing and I recommend
        >Sullivan James Edward, "Boxing, a manual devoted to the art of self defence" 1893
        >RJ Allenson-Winn, "Boxing" 1897
        >Col Monsterry "Self Defence for gentlemen and ladies" 1870s
        >Bart J Doran, "Science of Self Defence" 1880s
        >Edmund Price, "Science of Self Defence" 1860s
        >George H Benedict, "Handbook of Manly Sports" 1890s
        This one plagiarizes Sullivan James Edward's book, but I think the illustrations survive better in it, and it has cool instructions on fencing, calisthenics, club swinging, and other athletics of the 19th century.

        All of these can be found in PDF form online.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Or you could just tell him to watch mma since holding and hitting is totally legal there and a bunch of fighters have made really great use of clinch boxing like bus driver uppercuts, grabbing a wrist and slamming in short shots on the fence etc. Josh Barnett was pretty good at it, Cormier made a career out of clinch boxing. Matt Brown and Leon Edwards also make solid use of it.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    just learn muay thai you get most of that, headbutts and eye gouges not so much but it's not rocket science.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/fBJxa7J.png

      You're going to find that it's still 95% fundamentals, drilling punches, parries, and takedowns. Very little "secret" or "dirty" techniques because they knew even back then that those don't really exist. Secret techniques are an Asian martial arts marketing trick. You're also going to find it's very anachronistic. This is a time when the jab wasn't invented yet, hooks weren't invented yet. It was all either "pure punches" or "swings". You're better off in a plain MMA class. But if you insist, I'm an amateur historian of boxing and I recommend
      >Sullivan James Edward, "Boxing, a manual devoted to the art of self defence" 1893
      >RJ Allenson-Winn, "Boxing" 1897
      >Col Monsterry "Self Defence for gentlemen and ladies" 1870s
      >Bart J Doran, "Science of Self Defence" 1880s
      >Edmund Price, "Science of Self Defence" 1860s
      >George H Benedict, "Handbook of Manly Sports" 1890s
      This one plagiarizes Sullivan James Edward's book, but I think the illustrations survive better in it, and it has cool instructions on fencing, calisthenics, club swinging, and other athletics of the 19th century.

      All of these can be found in PDF form online.

      Or you could just tell him to watch mma since holding and hitting is totally legal there and a bunch of fighters have made really great use of clinch boxing like bus driver uppercuts, grabbing a wrist and slamming in short shots on the fence etc. Josh Barnett was pretty good at it, Cormier made a career out of clinch boxing. Matt Brown and Leon Edwards also make solid use of it.

      None of those show any dirty boxing. Dirty boxing in MMA is just clinch work. Muay Thai isn't boxing, nevermind dirty boxing, but the guy who claims that dirty boxing didn't exist at all because it isn't talked about in books (and implies stuff like eye pokes don't work irl anyway) takes the cake. Holy shit are you guys stupid. You're Americans, right?

      Why is a manual needed? It's all fairly self explanatory
      >for elbow just miss a hook short and follow through with elbow going for target
      >for eye gouge just straight/hook and open thumb up to make contact with eye
      >for knee/kick/punch to dick just aim directly for the dick
      You may find some autobiographies talking about how someone used or experienced dirty techniques but no one is going to write a manual on how to use illegal techniques and tarnish their reputation/legacy as a legitimate competitor

      Yes, I also read the Fritzie Zivic (sp?) interview, thanks.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Brawler-kun

    Hoenstly I feel more threatened by publishing to israelites (advanced persistent threat) and belligerents (pervasive minefield threats).
    I do not want to be attacked by my students and called upon battle because I taught strangers my best moves. My sensei at my dojo felt like he took a big gamble by teaching his students for a supervised at will subscription that metered out how much was taught. I learned so much of my moral development from Shihan. I shudder to publish because I interact with the sleaziest most demented and depraved sons of b***hes on the way to broadcast. It's not just about tactics it's a religious monastic disciplined art as much as it is a practical science of hand to hand destruction. I can teach you Krav Maga and more beyond the rule sets. I can teach you the history of the UFC and the development choices of sport craft and promotion. But I really am only in it for the interactions I fished.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >where is there no book about how to use epo in professional cycling?

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Someone in a bar got me into a shitty chokehold and I instinctively bit into his arm. Now I have schizophrenia about needing to fight people because it felt so visceral. I didn't feel depressed for once.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      How did he react?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        he literally said "ow" then picked me up by both legs and threw me onto the table surface. beer and broken glass was all over the table. then he pulled me off the table by my two legs and i fell on the floor. Then he pushed the table on to me and the beer and broken glass spilled on to me. then security came and broke it up. its no big deal, i now train bjj.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why is a manual needed? It's all fairly self explanatory
    >for elbow just miss a hook short and follow through with elbow going for target
    >for eye gouge just straight/hook and open thumb up to make contact with eye
    >for knee/kick/punch to dick just aim directly for the dick
    You may find some autobiographies talking about how someone used or experienced dirty techniques but no one is going to write a manual on how to use illegal techniques and tarnish their reputation/legacy as a legitimate competitor

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >aim for the dick
      Got it. Thank you, Anon. Gonna try this next time.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It wont work on every scenario, but just stepping onto somenoes foot (not even stompig it) will throw them off enough for you to win
    I do it in boxing sparring every now and then for fun

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Mark Hatmaker had a book on this I think. Hooking the sleeves of the glove with one hand to pin the arm, clubbing the ears with inside of the palm, forearm strikes, accidentally landing bodyshots into the crotch, stepping on the adversaries lead foot, all kinds of stuff.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    just do muay thai if you want to throw elbows

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