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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    not at all. anyone who says otherwise is incapable of lifting and following a proper diet

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      sure you dont need roids for that muscle, but you still need a decent fram+good muscle insertions for this look.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        yeah, fair. feels good to win the genetic lottery on shoulders/frame. too bad it didnt prevent me from becoming a broke moron

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >a broke moron
          Character is downstream from genetics.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yes and these are things roids cant give you as well.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You absolutely do. Ignore morons like this
      Who say this shit yet have never looked anywhere close to the pic related in their entire lives. No idea how people are so lacking in self awareness

      https://i.imgur.com/gzZ2JfF.jpg

      Do I need to roid for this? Seriously

      For anons who are truly wondering, he just has that enhanced look that you recognize when you yourself have used. The capped delts with the ultra leanness and hardness of the midsection- it’s rarely talked about because guys especially celebrities rarely get this lean but there’s a look to enhanced obliques at low body fat- just says gear. Is he doing a ton of anabolics? Obviously not. Would love to know what his cycle was. Probably lowish test and some cutting/drying compounds. There’s a reason why people still talk about this physique. He was going for a look especially in fight club which is why he doesn’t have lots of size. Steroids don’t automatically make you huge. In fact, most guys on steroids will still look dyel or fat. It took some serious discipline to get as lean as he was even with the gear

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        lol

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          (you) will never look like this. Even though it's le achievable natty

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Anyone above 17 years old or not completely moronic wouldn't look up to Zyzz, you must be moronic.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              How am i moronic? Do you disagree with my reply? Post body

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              this. Zyzz was the biggest fricking tool ever. Pretty much anyone who knew about him outlived and out gained him a decade ago. Though I admitt he might have been the first influencer ever. Which is something. Bit ahead of his time but incredibly stupid.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              homie shut up you jealous queer lol people admire him for his physique, that's what Anon was talking about, dummy lol

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        there were body types like this when steroids didn't even exist

        steroids are a good cheat, no shame in using them, but absolutely not necessary.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Not with that composition, maybe the same mass and leanness but not that "yoked" looking and lean. Also if 1 in a million gymcels can look like this natty doesn't mean you ever will

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      sure you dont need roids for that muscle, but you still need a decent fram+good muscle insertions for this look.

      no
      get to sub 12% body fst

      If you think that you can consistently stay at this body fat range without the use of steroids I dont think you have much experience lifting. To be at this range is near-starvation, constantly. He was roiding, no doubt about it

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        you're dyel and brown nobody cares what your cope is kek

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >immediately starts thinking about Black folk
          why are amerimutts like this?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            not american and i can smell the curry from your post you homosexual browncel

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              you've got to take that Black person wiener out of your mouth, i can't hear your muffled voice

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                ok pajeet why are you so mad?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This is what the average 150lb wrestler in highschool looks like. It takes a lot of hard work, something you're incapable of.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        He was always skinny and a hard gainer apparently, so perhaps he didn't pin as much as you're implying.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        plenty of people do it, but cardio is a necessity to keep that leanness. its not an ungodly amount of muscle to keep while doing cardio to stay lean

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    no
    get to sub 12% body fst

    • 3 weeks ago
      natty lifting does nothing

      brad pitt isnt 12% bodyfat in that pic, hes closer to 5% bodyfat

      good luck staying in stage ready conditioning as a natty. you wouldnt even last a day before you revert back to your skinnyfat dyel pig state

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        He's 10-12% bf. Doesn't have bicep or shoulder vascularity, has round shoulders but doesn't have alot of size. IIRC he's 5'11 160lbs, which is fairly easily maintainable if you work out, eat decently and be somewhat active.

        • 3 weeks ago
          natty lifting does nothing

          hes 5% bodyfat, stage ready like a pro bodybuilder.

          12% is way fatter

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            brad pitt isnt 12% bodyfat in that pic, hes closer to 5% bodyfat

            good luck staying in stage ready conditioning as a natty. you wouldnt even last a day before you revert back to your skinnyfat dyel pig state

            you are an absolute moron with no concept of bf%
            probably some fat piggy, stfu

            • 3 weeks ago
              natty lifting does nothing

              brad pitt has always been 5% bf, same as stage ready bodybuilders

              left is 12%. right is 5%

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >left is 12%
                then i've been 10% all my life and not known it

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >right is 5%
                Surely you're jesting. I don't think you realise how incredibly lean 5% bodyfat is. At that point your body is starting to malfunction. Pic related is actually tested to be 5% bodyfat
                Brad Pitt on the right there is like 8-10%

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                he doesn't he's a namegay that pretty much tells you right there he's moronic and brown

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You don't get that grainy look and sharp obliques at >10% bf

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'm genuinely curious as to understand why some anons want more than this. I'm instantly compelled to believe this type of physique is a universal and objective platonic ideal of the male physical form. Pure aesthetics at play. How can men see this one one side, Sam Sulek on the other and decide to aim for the latter.

      If you don’t have the genetics you will never be able to be that lean and built at the same time, don’t listen to all these copers.

      https://i.imgur.com/YNfp8wv.gif

      He's close but slightly too small for my taste. He looked way better in Troy where he had a bit more size. IMO though the GOAT of male physiques was Henry Cavill in Immortals.

      https://i.imgur.com/JH3oEo2.jpg

      I also really like Patrick Bateman. Muscular Anglo twink builds are the best no homo.

      You absolutely do. Ignore morons like this
      Who say this shit yet have never looked anywhere close to the pic related in their entire lives. No idea how people are so lacking in self awareness[...]
      For anons who are truly wondering, he just has that enhanced look that you recognize when you yourself have used. The capped delts with the ultra leanness and hardness of the midsection- it’s rarely talked about because guys especially celebrities rarely get this lean but there’s a look to enhanced obliques at low body fat- just says gear. Is he doing a ton of anabolics? Obviously not. Would love to know what his cycle was. Probably lowish test and some cutting/drying compounds. There’s a reason why people still talk about this physique. He was going for a look especially in fight club which is why he doesn’t have lots of size. Steroids don’t automatically make you huge. In fact, most guys on steroids will still look dyel or fat. It took some serious discipline to get as lean as he was even with the gear

      whenever a man that gets more pussy than me dies or has something bad happen to him, i feel absolutely nothing. if it’s a man that didn’t get laid often or less than me, my heart breaks and i secretly mourn for what he could’ve become. i didn’t want to make a thread but i just needed to get this out there.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        that's interesting anon
        thanks for sharing

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Least neurotic, envious jestermaxxer

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        t-thanks bro

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        thanks king

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Kek you sad little bastard. Well now you have to tell us how many times you got laid so we can know if we'll get your condolences or not.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Get your hands off my penis

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I love Pitt
    He's actually cool
    seems like an actual nice guy too not a fake nice vibe

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Pathetic beta male homosexual

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >marries demon
      He is a simp and a cuck

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm genuinely curious as to understand why some anons want more than this. I'm instantly compelled to believe this type of physique is a universal and objective platonic ideal of the male physical form. Pure aesthetics at play. How can men see this one one side, Sam Sulek on the other and decide to aim for the latter.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Sam Sulek and everyone else who wants to be a mass monster knows they're already ugly and will be ugly no matter what.. That's the difference.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Sulek is a cutie

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          He looks like something I ate then dropped.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Exactly, Ugly and buff as frick has a better chance of fricking than ugly and fat/frail

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because lifting culture only cares about getting big, a skewed aesthetic ideal that everyone else thinks is disgusting. This is built on homoeroticism, insecurity, and body image issues, but also just normal competitiveness in a chosen hobby or sport taken to a grotesque extreme. Hence why drugs are universal. Indeed, many hobbies or sports are an outlet for someone who has some mental issues to feel like they're on top of things, without actually fixing their life or facing the problems, but not that's not always the case.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Indeed, many hobbies or sports are an outlet for someone who has some mental issues to feel like they're on top of things, without actually fixing their life or facing the problems, but not that's not always the case.
        I meant to say, this is the reason this sort of person takes it to the extreme. It's a form of self-harm and escapism. Obviously a lot of lifters are deranged, but this applies to a lot of other things as well. I would say runners are just as bad and much more self-harming.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He's close but slightly too small for my taste. He looked way better in Troy where he had a bit more size. IMO though the GOAT of male physiques was Henry Cavill in Immortals.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I also really like Patrick Bateman. Muscular Anglo twink builds are the best no homo.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >twink builds
          You have body dysmorphia

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Cavill admited himself that this type of look was extremely hard to maintain and would not be sustainable over long period of time. He looks good tho.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          looks like he is 170 at 6'1. Ottermdoish. That's that hard.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            ok post body then

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      cope for being unattractive , no way you can pull this as a sub-8 male

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        God you lookism sub humans piss me off. I bet I could bend both your legs behind your head and soccer kick your nuts off and you'd sit there moping how "this never would've happened if my subcranialerectoralBlack folkaurus bone was 7.84mm longer"

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because for initial attraction it does not matter what is ideal, but rather that you get noticed and since we usually don't walk around naked in public you need to be significantly bigger than the "ideal" to get attention. Then you might be a little bigger than what they prefer but trust me, they can deal with that. Better to be a bit too big than not get any attention at all.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I don’t care about women’s opinion about me, I care about one woman’s opinion about me. My ideal physique is a darkspear troll, Pitt in fight club is much closer to that physique than any mass-dude.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Well unless you already have her you're more likely to get her if you can get her attention

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Attention can be earned in more ways than mass, moron. Musical homies serenading for instance. If you plan on grabbing the love of your life’s attention by being big i feel more sorry for her.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              We are talking about physiques here, aren't we? The whole point is that standing out is more important than what is seen as ideal. Yes, you can get attention in other ways, but that always means that you need to be extraordinary in some regard and the same applies to your physique. To take up your example, being a gifted musician, even in some genre she doesn't even listen to, is more likely to get her attention than just having the same taste in music as her.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Im saying that relying on your mass to garner attention is loser-behavior.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I mean, if you are trying to attract women being massive isn't the way to go. Looking fit and lean attracts women, being a meat head does attract (mainly the wrong) type of women (trailer trash, low quality prostitutes for the most part). Looking like a gymrat makes you look vain and high maintenance imo. Ive been fairly big in the past and some women definitely find it attractive but not the good ones from my personal experience. Looking like the cleanest and leanest version of yourself looks best aesthetically I feel.

        • 3 weeks ago
          natty lifting does nothing

          no ur just moronic like everyone else

          if you train chest and arms you will look like shit

          aesthetics are boosted from shoulder and back training and diminished from chest and arms training

          its a simple concept. push exercises make you look bulky and fat, pull exercises make you look wide and athletic

          but nobody can wrap their head around this cuz muh arnold said bench press is the most important thing

          youre all fricking morons and will never look aesthetic

          ontop of that you morons are also natty which means you never built any muscle

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            no.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Being tall, wide framed, good hair and attractive face is what gets you attention. Muscle size is irrelevant past basic fitness levels

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It’s pretty well understood actually. Intrasexual competition vs trying to look as good as possible for the opposite sex. There are some similarities to women who become thinner than the ideal to attract men, but intrasexual competition is far more important for men. Larger size is more likely to intimidate other men and gain their respect, etc. and as long as you’re not fat it’s still attractive to women, albeit a bit less than the cosmo cover type body. For many mammalian species the males compete with each other for the right to mate based on physical prowess, not how attractive they look to females. It’s that instinct. Even on normal cycles it’s basically impossible to get to suleks size lean. He’s probably on hgh maybe insulin as well, definitely tren

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Based bronze age mindset. Female gaze is so entranched in zeitgeist and modern man is so buck broken he even has to ask this absurd question

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Is that why some gurls are super thin? For men? Pathetic

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The male beauty standard in the fitness community is incredibly skewed, which is why body dysmorphia is such a big problem. The term roidtroony makes sense, given that this is similar to how things work for troons.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      People start from different positions. I was 53kg when I began lifting in 2013. For me abs or twink mode (not implying anything) was never the holy grail goal. I started lifting because people mistake me for a girl in PE. For me it was always about big muscles and size and moderate strength to mog the vast majority.

      Now im 78kg with abs so Im still "small" but when I started I literally bulked to 96kg lol. I basically doubled my bodyweight. I thought that I just have to litt and reach a certain number and I will look however I wanted to look kek. Ahh the good old times. Obviously I never stuck to that path and I didnt glorify bodybuilders so I dont want to look like mass monsters but yeah people have different life experiences. I think people who start fat and go to the gym to lose weight and have abs want ottermode physique and ppl who "started" ottermode dont really glorify just a marginal amount of lean muscle mass added to their frame as the goal as they already started out with ottermode physique minus the slight mass.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >this type of physique is a universal and objective platonic ideal of the male physical form
      Objectively wrong.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >post a picture of a guy whose whole career is about maintaining an extraordinary body type
        Yeah that's not really what we're talking about, the average guy that has a day job shouldn't be aiming to look like a world class bodybuilder. It isn't really a naturally achievable physique for someone without exceptional genetics and the time to devote themselves entirely to their body, that's why you have a bunch of steroid junkie zoomers now

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Brad Pitt was on steroids and on an unsustainable diet. The average guy with a day job doesn't need to try to attain any extreme standard, he should just hit the gym a couple times a weak to build some size and strength for the health benefits. But if he's passionate about bodybuilding, there is nothing stopping him from going down that path. John Grimek trained full body three times a week. He wasn't spending hours in the gym every day like some roided up bodybuilder might do today. Trying to achieve the Pitt physique would probably cause a lot more interferance in your daily life, ironically enough. To build muscles naturally, all you need is to train hard a couple times a week, eat well and sleep well. Nothing that is out of reach for a normal person.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Everyone says this is all you need and that it's easily achievable natty, yet I've never seen anyone post their body on IST that looks even remotely close to that.

            I have good genetics for staying lean but I'm at 6'1 170lbs 8% bf or even lower. I eat between 3400-4000kcal and 300-400g carbs. I have a better core, back and legs than Pitt. Definitely attainable natty if you're somewhat active and eat relatively clean, I walk 10k steps daily, strength training 3x a week.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >8% bf or even lower
              You had a dexa scan done? Don't get me wrong you look good but I don't think you're that low.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >You had a dexa scan done?
                No, just a guess honestly. I don't really have good pics where I have a full body pump but when I do I can see the 3rd layer of bicep veins and multiple ab veins.
                I might have slightly higher bf because I'm trying to gain some fat but it's still prob single digit

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              what's ur routine?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I basically do PPL Metallipadca every other day, leg day once every 2 weeks. I mix some things up tho. Routine doesnt matter that much as long as you hit your muscles with a decent amount of volume. I also walk 10k steps and that helps alot, usually I walk my dog after a big meal. Also track your calories and log your workouts even just for reference

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                what are your working weights for main lifts?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        nah. Pitt>bulbous flying squirrel. Grimek is very big boned tho so it doesnt look too weird.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >he doesnt lift for strength so he can do superhuman things infront of other people while still having a flat stomach
      might as well stick to pushups,pullups and crunches if all you're planning on is to impress women

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >impress women
        Just have a big wallet

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Unless you are a pro competitive level powershitter, I doubt you can do "superhuman things" that will awe people. Nobody outside of the gym world will give a frick that you can do a 4 plate bench. In fact, they most likely won't even realise that it's tough to begin with, since they have no point of reference to these things. Being able to do some moronic shit like a backflip or a muscle up is probably more impressive to the average normalgay. Not trying to disparage bodybuilding and getting huge, but apart from your actual physique, there's really nothing that you can do physically to impress normies with.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          by superhuman I mean manhandling a fridge by hugging it and carrying it somewhere,lifting a car out of a parking spot to avoid having to slowly ease your way from between two vehicles,sprinting up a flight of stairs longer than most people are able to,and to be able to casually do a one arm pullup to climb or reach somewhere.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          plus where the frick am I gonna do a 4 plate bench outside of the gym? lol the parking lot?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I find girls are generally impressed by getting pressed.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >cope
      you will never look like that. you arent famous so when people see you clothed in the street they just think you are a DYEL skeleton normie, they dont have that picture of what you look like in their head from the dozens of photo shoots and movie sex scenes with you in them.
      >comparing yourself to anyone or anything else
      lol you should try to be the best version of yourself. no excuses. but keep jerking off to your photos of naked male actors im sure that will work wonders for you

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >in the street they just think you are a DYEL skeleton normie
        Pretty much this. It doesn't matter the physique as much as that it's Brad Pitts physique. Don't enter lifting for any social reward, status is something you build through a niche talent not through the most popular hobby for young men

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because I want to actually be strong and not just look good

    • 3 weeks ago
      natty lifting does nothing

      heres the real answer

      nattys dont grow their muscles. what you are seeing on that brad pitt pic is his default body, the muscles have not experienced hypertrophy

      When you start roiding you actually grow physically for the first time ever, but nobody realizes that when you grow all the muscles on your body you always end up looking like shit

      whats the solution? the solution is to not train chest or arms, but nobody on roids are willing to do that. But if they did refrain from training chest and arms then every roider would look like a demigod carved by zeus himself

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I would say the ideal is a bit more muscular than that, you need to have enough strength as well as speed, but yeah, people who only care about getting big and do steroids were likely incredibly skinny at one point, and developed an insecurity which caused them to overcompensate.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      People who don't understand this haven't achieved anything significant in life, otherwise they would get it.
      >"I would just get to this body and just maintain and coast on that"
      >"I don't know why people want more than 1 million bucks, I'd be happy to just retire with that"
      This only makes logical sense if you got handed it, you woke up with it one morning.

      In order to get there naturally, by your own work, you need to have drive and follow through, and once you achieve your original goal, you are not going to just look at the situation with the same eyes and values you had a year ago and say
      >"OK, done"

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        this, also goalposts move. If you are buddies with the biggest dudes in the gym your view also changes a bit over time. you might also not care about how you look as much anymore and have moved into a more performance focused mindset. no matter if it is powerlifting, weightlifting, strongman or something like crossfit. It is likely that if you achieved your goal body you are probably deep into the lifting community or atleast have put considerable hours into learning about it. At that point you often like the process more than the results.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You’re right you don’t get it

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      because most people, at the same level of bodyfat and muscle as that don't look as good, because of genetics, frame and insertion. Therefore the only logical choice is to get even bigger

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      A lot of guys think that if they aren't bigger then they won't be worthy of people's love/appreciation.
      Basically insecurity.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Depends how fast you want it.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This looks terrible. He looks too small. His muscular is very good. But it’s such a tiny frame. Like if you inserted male muscles onto the female structure.
    Just a look that if I had I would prefer to heavy bulk.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      fatass cope

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      delusional

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If you don’t have the genetics you will never be able to be that lean and built at the same time, don’t listen to all these copers.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Its just his abs that are amazing and unlikely to be achieved. You can achieve the rest of his build natty with effort.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If you roided you'd likely get too big, but even if you got to his same leanness and build with the right anavar dosage and training plan you'd 99% chance have completely different ab insertions. Besides the abs (which wouldnt be likely to be achieved on roids anyway) everything else about his body is easily achievable natty. Just get really fricking lean while working out.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This is under 10% with daily training to maintain. Thats all.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No, achievable natty if u have his greek god like frame

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Just lifting and running? 50/50 between them? He doesn’t have insane mass, but insane definition. Running+lifting and to finish it off go on a fast. If possible add high-intensity sauna.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    you will never have insertions that aesthetic

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Bros how close am I to this kind of physique?
    Its not the end goal of course, i want to be bigger than that but currently i think I'm closer to that.
    >185cm 70kg (i know thats skinny but i started below 60kg)
    I think if i cut down a bit once i reach 80kg I'd have achieved that physique.

    Lifts for 3x5:
    OHP 53kg
    Bench 80kg
    Squat 90kg
    Deadlift 110kg

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Couple more million dollars worth of lighting and you're there!

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      My lifts dwarf yours and I look like shit.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah only started doing squats/deads a few months ago. Took me like a month to get squat form feeling good due to being a lanklet. Aiming to hit 1/2/3/4 1RM this year.
        Post lifts and physique bro, probably just need to cut a bit.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You have the right idea. Bulk to 85kg and cut to 80. Do that again.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Honestly probably yeah, you're pretty much there. Just gotta cut.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      you only look skinny to roidtrannies and fatties

      keep gaining tho if it makes you happy

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Everyone says this is all you need and that it's easily achievable natty, yet I've never seen anyone post their body on IST that looks even remotely close to that.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      because its all insertions and frame (genetics), nobody will ever admit to this and only cope

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't think there are a lot of body types you "need" to roid for, but it makes everything easier. You don't need to roid for that body but you'll certainly get there faster.

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Who has the uncensored version? I NEED to know how big his dick is

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    my muscle insertions are so shit. on a cut right now but still need maybe six more weeks. I want to be his Patroclus.

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No. That's natty.

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Technically now but you need to do a bulk cycle and cut while lifting, which is very resource and time consuming for your average person. Pic related uses roids like the rest of hollywood.

    Roids don't give you genetics but they allow you to gain without bulking and work out more frequently while making gains, that's the point.

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    why didn't you censor his pubic hair? this photo is inappropriate and absolutely not safe for work.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >imagine working for someone else

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No, you will never have this roids or no. Those are the muscle insertions of a god.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Zipper abs and asymmetric chest are insertions of gods apparently

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    His frame, proportions and insertions are very good.

    A narrow shoulder, wide hips, barrel chest, thick wristed guy would look worse even with more muscle on his frame

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    With YOUR genetics, yeah (you) probably do.

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    you can potentially get there with some otherworldly dedication and discipline.

    The real issue is that staying there for any considerable length of time will be a living hell.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This
      >Get this lean
      >Take some photos
      >Go back to a healthy diet
      Brad Pitt would only maintain this for the scenes where he needs to be shirtless.

      Women wouldn't be able to tell you're not as lean as in your photos provided you haven't had massive amounts of weight gain.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Isn't this just a paparazzi shot of him outside, not even a movie set with perfect lighting or preparation. He's always been lean like that over like 3 decades, how could it be a "living hell"?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Isn't this just a paparazzi shot of him outside, not even a movie set with perfect lighting or preparation. He's always been lean like that over like 3 decades, how could it be a "living hell"?

      He literally just didn't have fat guys on IST whispering the idea of "bulk" to him. Lots of guys here would look similar if they didn't fall for that stupid meme.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >that stupid meme.
        and how do you propose you gain muscle without bulking huh? (when answering, be careful to remember that your body *needs* a surplus of calories to grow rather than simply recover to it's previous size and condition!)

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >your body needs a surplus of calories to grow
          If it ""needs"" them, then it's not a surplus, is it?
          Surplus means "over and above what's required"

          Yes, to grow you need energy, and so your requirements go up, but not 1000+ calories per day like some of you fat shits.

          What happens if you eat to maintenance, and work out?
          Does your body burn fat to make up the difference, or does it say
          >"sorry bro no gains today"

          Just call your bulk what it is, its an excuse for you to stuff your fat homosexual face with hyperprocessed girl dinner, under the guise of nutritional overpreparedness

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    in highschool every single guy that played football had this body. how can american society be so fricked up that they actually believe they need to roid to look like that.

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    you didn't censor it fully. 🙂

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    That's literally 6 months of gym if you aren't a fatass. 80% of zoomers look like this nowadays.

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