Do Starting Strength and 5x5 Strong Lifts guarantee obesity?

If followed exactly, both require extremely rapid progressive overload fueled by a large calorie surplus, which seems like it will necessarily result in fat gain, since you can only put on so much muscle so fat.
What's wrong with progressing slower, and trying to put on more muscle, less fat?

  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Nothing. Following someone else's program to the letter while ignoring what you personally want is most likely going to make you unhappy. If you don't want to look like a powershitter, don't lift like one and don't eat like one.

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >progressing slower
    You ever hear of Novice gains anon? You want to build up that strength as fast as possible before your novice gains period ends. Slowly progressing won’t do.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Lol wait you think novice gains are somehow dependent on a countdown clock?

      It's a % of your genetic potential

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Alright man go ahead and “progress slower” lmao. What kind of retard wouldn’t want to get as strong as possible in the shortest timeframe?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >What kind of retard wouldn’t want to get as strong as possible in the shortest timeframe?
          Someone that knows more then you about the topic.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >take 6 months to “progress slowly”
            >or take 3 to complete NLP
            You’re wasting your time, genius.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >>take 6 months to “progress slowly”
              >>or take 3 to complete NLP
              >You’re wasting your time, genius.
              Does that count the extra weeks and months of dieting needed to strip off the extra fat?
              Honestly, it seems like these programs were designed for skinny dyels who don't eat.
              I feel like anyone who's average or overweight, or has a history of weight problems, should be much more careful when it comes to caloric surpluses.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                You can’t lose 20 pounds in 3 months anon? Come on..:

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Honestly, it seems like these programs were designed for skinny dyels who don't eat.
                Yes. If you're not DYEL then why would you be trying to "start" strength? The entire premise of Starting Strength is that it takes DYELs and makes them as strong as possible as fast as possible. Gaining strength (without injury) is the only consideration here. If you want to lose weight this is not the correct program. If you want to do "maingaining" this is not the correct program. If you're trying to get aesthetic in the immediate future this is not the correct program. It's a strength base building program. I don't know why people criticize Starting Strength for being exactly what it claims to be. Rip himself is a fat red faced Texas boomer who does BBQ cooking videos and podcasts where he yells at callers about how they're not eating enough. What more does he need to say to make the intent of his programming clear?

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              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Best post. It's incredibly easy for a DYEL to make it after a 6-9 month SS program where they have multiplate lifts on the big 3

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Jesus Christ, that call.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Because IST has claimed for years that SS is a panacea for all your fitness needs.
                >Want to gain weight? SS
                >Want to lose weight? SS
                >Want hypertrophy? SS
                >Want ottermode? SS
                etc.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Literally no one has said SS for hypertrophy, ottermode, or losing weight. Everyone with two brain cells understands its a novice program you do for 3-6 months and move on.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                This is the standard Rippletits simp defense. He's not going to suck your cock, bro. Stop mindlessly regurgitating his bullshit.

                Beginners should be doing exactly zero months of SS and move on.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Sorry son you’ve been debunked cry about it

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Stock answer indicating that no one cares about your question
                If you never picked up on that, don't worry about muscles, work on developing social skillls

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              dunno how you can still stuck in the 2014 era of NLP

              >>take 6 months to “progress slowly”
              >>or take 3 to complete NLP
              >You’re wasting your time, genius.
              Does that count the extra weeks and months of dieting needed to strip off the extra fat?
              Honestly, it seems like these programs were designed for skinny dyels who don't eat.
              I feel like anyone who's average or overweight, or has a history of weight problems, should be much more careful when it comes to caloric surpluses.

              >I feel like anyone who's average or overweight, or has a history of weight problems, should be much more careful when it comes to caloric surpluses.
              You are absolutely right.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >What kind of retard wouldn’t want to get as strong as possible in the shortest timeframe

          everyone who's not a turbo autist.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          I just want to build muscle and not get snapped up.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Getting snapped up is caused by either doing too much, lifting more weight than you can handle, or lifting with bad form. If you are always in control of the weight, lifting it correctly, and lifting a weight you can handle, you won’t get snapped up.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      That's not how it works, retard. It's not based on time.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >these are the people giving advice on IST

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I know a guy doing this program and he is pretty lean, but the main thing not going right for him is just he progresses so slowly. like he is gaying up with microplates every day to go 0.5lbs higher on various lifts.

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    A squat/deadlift
    B dip
    C chin
    off
    repeat

    add 5 lbs per month
    3x5, 5x5 3x8
    Once recovery is an issue change to on off frequency
    A off B off C off
    Add second exercises/ accessories sparingly

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    No, the diet is on you. If you want to look good, you should add these to the big 4: pulls ups, dips, barbell rows and arm day.

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    You can do a moderate calorie surplus instead of a large one and get basically the same results without getting fat.

    200-500 calories a day extra is plenty for you to grow. Start out with 200 extra and increase to 500 extra if needed.

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >What's wrong with progressing slower, and trying to put on more muscle, less fat?
    Anons cannot disobey memes and SS is a meme. That's all.

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    what percent of nufit even understands how linear progression works anymore

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I think retards fall for the “SS is bad meme” and then shit on it for the epic meme board culture

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    There is literally no reason why you can't just eat at a small surplus and make gains on SS. If you're starting at sub-15% bodyfat you'd really have to be fucking up badly to end up visibly overweight.

    Lifting in general is almost a total waste of time if you aren't going to eat, it's just immediately obvious you're spinning your wheels on a linear progression program.

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