Do you need to chase a pump to build muscle?

Do you need to chase a pump to build muscle?
Roiders at my gym tell me that I should basically only do isolation exercises with low weight, high reps, and squeeze the targeted muscle with every rep.
It works for them but I think that's only because they're on gear. The natties at my gym who train like this are pretty small despite lifting for years. But the guys who train with this fluff and pump training style all swear that it's the only way to grow muscle.

Is it true?
Is high volume, low intensity, pump-chasing training, where you feel the lactic acid building up, the only way to build muscle?

It doesn't seem to be, but the guys swear it's the only way to get big...

Also check out this coach Greg video he's saying that this is the best training advice because you can target the smaller isolated muscle groups but I just feel like there won't be enough intensity to actually build any muscle? Idk... Let me know what you think

  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why don’t you just try it and see what happens?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      instead of spending 6+ months devoting myself to a training style just to see if it works, i can instead ask experienced lifters who've already trained this way what their experience with it was

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >experienced lifter
        Everyone here is dyel or fat. No one knows shit.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      What a fucking dumb response. Jesus Christ I didn't think people on this website could get any more stupid

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      This is the exact opposite of a contribution. Even an insult carries more meaning. Why did you post this?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      ur a fagget

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    it comes down to the 2 type of hypertrophy at the end of the day
    > it's the only way to get big
    There are people that only train for strength and have big muscles

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I alternate my PPL schedule.
    Low Volume, Higher weight PPL 3x/week
    High volume, lower weight PPL 3x/week

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Roids? jesus fuck that skin is disgusting

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        extreme stretch marks that didn't even scar completely

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        No, not roids. It’s just stretch marks and I have very white skin. If you put on muscle fast you will probably get them

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      what unfortunate skin and veins, get a tan bro

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Veins are never unfortunate

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >varricose veins aren't unfortunate
          >the fact that I don't require a sphyg to want to prescribe you an ARB isn't unfortunate

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Varicose veins
            How fat are you?

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Lift heavy with big compound movements, build your armor with pump work afterwards. Tried and true method for getting big and strong.

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Roiders are mentally ill, please tell me you aren't thinking of taking advice from them.

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    roiders training horribly incorrectly will still grow way quicker than ntaties doing everything correctly. i wouldnt use results from roiders as anecdotal evidence for muscle growth.

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Roiders at my gym tell me
    are you a roider?

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I chase the pump because it makes the sad voices go away

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    lactic acid isnt real

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Never listen to anything roidtrannies say about fitness, if they knew shit they wouldn't need to cheat it

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Pushups and pullups are all you need bro. Oh and some squats for your ass. Girls love ass even more than us men do. Hope you like being spanked and grabbed 😉

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Here's what I've determined as a maybe a-bit above average genetics but not great natty after two years.
    >The only thing that matters is the 4 reps you do before local muscular failure.
    >All of your sets should be between 5-30 reps.
    >Do straight sets with a double progression scheme for compound lifts.
    >Do myo reps for your arms and shoulders (hamstring curls and leg extensions also work). Here's the scheme:
    Do a straight set between 12-15 reps to failure (no pussy shit). Take 5-10 big deep breaths and then go to failure again. And again. And again. Your last mini set should be a grinder where you get about 5 reps. Do this 2x per exercise per session. I like to do either OH cable extensions or pushed downs, then a curl variation, then lateral raises. My upper body sessions go something like:
    >Chest compound
    >Shoulder compound
    >Back compound
    >Fry the fuck out of the arms and shoulders
    >Abs
    This will give you a pump, but I find "pump training" to do literally fucking nothing. Fluff shit is pointless. That said, powerlifting style training works but i injur myself too often. Just consistently hit your compounds in a reasonable rep range with about 2RIR. Do animal shit with safe isolations and go beyond failure. If you're eating you'll grow.

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    People don’t get it right. What it is:
    >build your way up to a decently heavy but not ridiculous weight on a lift with good form- ie 50 on dumbbell curls, 275 on bench
    >slowly add reps at that weight so you’re doing 25 dumbbell curls at 50 pounds
    What it’s not
    >do 50 reps of 15 pound dumbbells curls and expect big arms
    You have to build up so the weight is fairly heavy AND you’re doing a lot of reps

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      This except you don't need a lot of reps either. 1 is too little to get enough work done but more than 15 and you start to fail for cardiovascular reasons rather than skeletomuscular. Even Mr. Intensity himself Mike Mentzer says it's too heavy if you can't control it, but let's not pretend the big guys telling you lower the weight for now didn't progress to fucking 405lb inclines.

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >do you need a pump
    long answer is no, not really
    it's one of many stimuli that are indicators, but not the be all end all
    ideally, for muscle hypertrophy, you'll want to have the following
    >3-10 sets per muscle group
    >4-0 RIR
    >5-30 rep range

    this gets a bit more complicated when you throw in other training modalities, such as drop sets, myoreps, giant sets, down sets, etc.

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Is high volume, low intensity, pump-chasing training, where you feel the lactic acid building up, the only way to build muscle?
    Phil Heath says if you can do over 12 perfect reps, then you can move up in weight. He is basically doing moderately heavy weight for him + time under tension. Not high volume, low intensity.

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Basically, you should use compounds to build muscle all over your body, then use isolations to target lagging areas.

    You should also do high reps for hypertrophy in order to keep fatigue low, thus allowing you to do more volume or more frequency.

    Finally, if you become strong enough, you will be unable to do compounds very often. When that happens, you’ll need to do isolations while waiting for your body to recover from the compound movements.

  17. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Roiders at my gym tell me that I should basically only do isolation exercises with low weight, high reps, and squeeze the targeted muscle with every rep.
    Devilish.

  18. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    no it doesnt work.
    proof? take 10lbs dumbbells and get the most insane pump imaginable.
    you wont build an ounce of muscle.

    its literally that simple. if it worked you could just lift 10lbs dumbbells and getting fucking YUGE chasing the pump. but you can't.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      so what do i do?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >proof? take 10lbs dumbbells and get the most insane pump imaginable.
      >you wont build an ounce of muscle.
      Untrue.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Sandwich was before steroids and literally used a pair of 25lb dumbbells and that's pretty much it.

      You'll build muscle from pump training.

      It's just so obscenely slow that it raises the question if it's worth it when you can get faster gains by bloat maxxing and powerlifting for a bit then cutting.

  19. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Metabolic stress builds muscle like mechanical tension, yes. You can grow muscle from heavy weight low reps, or high reps medium weight. But high reps medium weight puts less stress on the joints allowing for higher volumes. So overall, pump style training gives better growth and less joint stress.

  20. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Pretty sure there are also receptors that respond to "pressure" due to the muscle filling up with blood plus it pushes more nutrients into the muscle, so while the pump is not needed to build muscle it is yet another stimulus that the body responds to.

  21. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Unless you’re on roids, progressive overload with compound exercises is your best bet. It’s not a meme

  22. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Here are somethings natty's don't understand... When you're on AS, the pump you get from lifting becomes extremely pronounced and impossible to ignore. Most users (myself included) find that "chasing" it is much more effective at producing hypertrophy than focusing on the amount of weight lifted. It seems odd seeing the biggest guys in the gym doing sets of 15 dumbell curls with the 25-30 pounders, but it works better than anything.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >sets of 15 dumbell curls with the 25-30 pounders
      Bait? Sabotage? Delusion? One things for sure: lmao.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        nah, roidtrannies live in a different universe
        they can do 100 pushups a day and end up with better chest & tris than a natty who follows an optimal routine
        roids are literal easymode, see picrel

        i wouldn't mind them if they fucked off and did their own thing, but the issue is, they tell natties to train like a fucking moron doing useless fluff & pump bullshit, then the natties hop on gear because they've been lifting for 2 years and only gained 1.5lbs of muscle

        "feel the muscle, do light weight, do lots of reps, feel the pump" absolutely useless bullshit for non-enhanced lifters

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          No, he's definitely full of shit just like that image.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          So you're saying I can hop on test and gain 20lbs on my bench without even lifting?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            you'd probably put 50lbs on your bench in 6-8wks with half a gram a week.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            The common comparison is like going from a Toyota to a Ferrari

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >you don't understand.

        Natty Anon proves my point with his response.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          You do something more intense than a 15lb curl
          OR
          you aren't big.
          Simple as.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I said reps of 15. Though you're STILL wrong. Volume is king for chasing the pump on gear and I WILL go as low as 15lbs while running the rack on dumbell curls, many sets into it.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Right. My bad. 25lbs dumbells. Effectively the same as the 15's to me when talking about curls because they're both too light to do anything unless you're a kid.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Welp...you don't know what you don't know, I guess. I was curling 25's at 15 with 13" pipes and I'm still curling them at 37 with 18.5" ones, juiced on test and winstrol. I could use 55's if I wanted but the pump is less and I'd risk injury.

  23. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Your body's greatest strength is adaptive capacity and it's constantly trying to create a state of homeostasis in response to various stressors. When you switch to high volume training and adjust weights/ tempo you are effectively creating a different stress stimulus for your body to react to while simultaneously de training yourself from the other form of stimulus (if there was one) the key is to figure out the sweet spot where you consistently force adaptations via novel stimulus over time while retaining the gained muscle from previous evolutions. Eventually you will get diminishing returns but for the most part what's green is gold, pony boy. Metabolism works very similarly.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      If you would introduce higher intensity as the new stimulus you would keep the muscle you had previously gained because you would be using it to produce the higher intensity.

  24. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    People are weaker today than they used to be, and the guys of yore used to just put heavier and heavier shit on the bar until they couldn't lift it, then track back down until they just barely could. Then they'd worried about getting reps in.

    I think that says it all.

  25. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    No.

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