Does anyone feel bad for clueless roidtrannies like Derek?

Damaging your heart and other organs, and destroying your endocrine system for life, only to have worse chest and pec development (and probably back and legs as well) than most intermediate natties, because you don't know how to train...
It's sad, isn't it?
If it weren't for his delts and traps, he'd easily be mistaken for a natty, despite being a turbofrauder.

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    why would i feel bad for some random guy on the internet whos biggest issue in life is "he looks weird"

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I don't feel bad for them. They get what they deserve. It sucks that Arnold Schwarzenegger has money for top of the line doctors, because roiders always point to how he came out all right.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >They get what they deserve

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Absolutely not. If you don't know how to train but use drugs, I don't feel sorry for you at all. You're dedicated enough to pin but not to learn good programming principles? Get real.

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I thought he went off of it "to focus on business" and that's why he got really small.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >I thought he went off of it "to focus on business" and that's why he got really small
      It's telling that he's always wearing long-sleeved shirts and coats whenever he appears in a setting where he can't control the lighting and camera angles.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >always wearing long-sleeved shirts
        are long sleeved shirts the machiavellian choice? i always go flex in the gym but i see that the smart/big guys are always long sleeved. redpill me on it

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >are long sleeved shirts the machiavellian choice? i always go flex in the gym but i see that the smart/big guys are always long sleeved. redpill me on it
          He's hiding his mediocre physique.
          Imagine running stacks of Chinese bathtub chemicals for years, and ruining your health, and afterward being afraid of wearing short-sleeved shirts.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          They make you look slightly bigger, especially the slightly thick Henley shirts, and help hide the fact that you have frick all definition on a bulk.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        i should start wearing long sleeve shirts

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Hes always been small for a roidlet

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Is this shopped? Like what the actual frick, those are smaller than any random natty bench bro

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Dude probably went his whole life thinking that the burn in his anterior delt was his chest working and never once activated that muscle in his life.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        How do you activate the pecs? Asking for a friend

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Can you bounce them at all?
          Generally, you unshrug and retract your shoulders.
          Also watch this:

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          By eating almonds

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It's from this vid:

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    My question is always, did he just not train chest, or was every movement a delt movement for him?

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >don't know how to train
    no, that's not it

    he doesn't know how to eat

    if you look at for example a pro like nick walker, he's shredded and blah blah blah but he's also been the same size for like 5 years. he blew up massive in 2-3 years and now just coasts at his goal size. when you go back and look at old photos of him when he was blowing up he's not lean at all.

    the point is that first you get big and then you get lean. trying to "lean bulk" is a trap, and you can't just add more steroids to fraud your way out of the trap. that's why you see people like derek doing 500 test 400 tren with a chest flatter than a cyclist on a blind corner. simply not eating enough, because he's scared of getting fat, but also too moronic to realise that more steroids won't make him bigger if he doesn't eat.

    the great thing about steroids is that you WON'T get fat if you eat big BECAUSE YOU'RE ON FRICKING STEROIDS, so it's fricking moronic that people are so afraid of a surplus in the first place.

    if you're blasting almost a gram of gear like derek, including tren, you should be doing like 5-6000 calories a day. even if your bodyfat does creep up it's not gonna happen overnight so just keep a fricking eye on it.

    ultimately, though, it's not "fear of getting fat" that stops people. it's just that they literally can't hack eating that much food. just not capable of it. for all the talk about muh discipline and muh tough guys when they actually have to do something they DON'T enjoy, that ISN'T fun (gym is fun, you're not a tough guy for doing something you enjoy) they fold like homosexuals.

    contempt.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      There are literally pictures of Derek fat as frick when he took Test Deca Dbol and was gorging himself. Didn't do anything for his chest development lol.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/NfiweQH.jpg

        >he doesnt know
        derek became morbidly obese when he bulked on a gram of gear

        did anyone tell him that you have to eat protein, too?

        i made that same mistake, thought i could just eat like shit but a lot of it. but the bulking only works if you get like 400 grams of protein in per day lol, or more.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonynous

          It's genetics you idiot. Genetics is 99%, and training/eating is 1%. But will power to train and eat properly is also genetic, so it's 100% genetics.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            you are an absolute moron if you believe that picture

            it's either an outright fricking lie, because fitness magazines are full of them, or "yeah i played rugby since under 7s and was hitting the gym the whole time but i only started training SERIOUSLY 9 months ago"

            people lie about their achievements in order to make them seem more impressive, and bodybuilders are literally massive narcissists. can you connect these dots?

            • 1 year ago
              Anonynous

              >one of the best bodybuilders in the world can't possibly have outlier genetics.

              Here's Kevin Levrone as a mid teen before he started working out.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                there are a lot of pro bodybuilders and even just normie gym rats who are as jacked. do they all have outlier genetics?

                you fricking moron.

                i'm sick of meatheads who barely passed a TAFE course trying to explain fricking genetics to me. you don't know shit, have a nice day, etc. etc.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonynous

                Why are people who workout to build muscle so delusional?
                You don't see people saying that if they train hard enough and take enough drugs they can make it to the 100m finals at the olympics.
                But for some reason, delusional gymtards actually believe that if they take enough steroids and eat enough they can be a pro bodybuilder competing at the Olympia.
                So delusional.
                Yes, pro open bodybuilders have outlier genetics and you will never have 23" lean arms no matter what you do homosexual. And neither will Derek (he actually tried and failed)

                ?t=11

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >pro open bodybuilders have outlier genetics
                which gene? how's it expressed? what's the magnitude of the effect?

                shut the frick up.

                you look at someone who's bigger than you and you don't know why so you take a guess.

                >"y-y-you just can't cope with the truth"
                it's just that every time i see someone screeching about genetics i find out they've never done a cycle more than a gram and have never eaten more than 4kcal in a day and yet they still wonder why they're small and blame genetics.

                even IQ, one of the most heritable human traits that we know of, is only 60% heritable.

                you stupid fricking homosexual.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonynous

                >which gene? how's it expressed? what's the magnitude of the effect?
                There's plenty of studies showing vastly different abilities to gain muscle, different amounts an sensitivities of androgen receptors, different levels of myostatin, different ratios of fast to slow twitch, different hormone levels, etc.
                All of these are controlled by various genes. You go look for them yourself b***h.
                You're just another delusional who thinks "if I just took the same amount of drugs as Ronnie Coleman and trained and ate the same, I could also be mr Olympia"
                BRB training and eating like Usain Bolt so I can win the 100m at the next olympics as a white man.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >There's plenty of studies showing vastly different abilities to gain muscle, different amounts an sensitivities of androgen receptors, different levels of myostatin, different ratios of fast to slow twitch, different hormone levels, etc.
                no there isn't.

                there's a study i can actually point you to, though, showing that CAG repeats on the AR gene amount to a 3% difference in LBM, though. how's that for genetics? pic fricking related.

                like i said, IQ is the most heritable trait that we know of and it's only 60% heritable. being able to grow muscle is a critical survival element for the human organism and so there's very little variation in how well humans can do it - certainly not enough to make some people effortlessly musclebound and others permanently skeletons.

                if you take steroids, train, and eat, you can get as big as you want. you may need more, you may need longer, but the drugs work.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonynous

                >we are all the same
                Oh nononono its over. The high responders gained 4x more muscle than the derek responders in the same amount of time.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                yeah and how much steroids were they on, anon?

                if the gene expression occurs through hormone levels then don't you think that synthetic hormones might affect the results?

                lift with your brain.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                yeah and how much steroids were they on, anon?

                if the gene expression occurs through hormone levels then don't you think that synthetic hormones might affect the results?

                lift with your brain.

                the intensity of prenatal exposure to androgens ( as somewhat reflected in your 2d/4d ratio) has no effect on adult test levels, but it has a significant effect on androgen receptor sensitivity. so people with very developed receptors are just much more efficient at metabolising (supra)physiological amounts of androgens, while the unlucky ones can inject grams of test and the majority of it doesn't bind ( as effectively). so there's obviously a genetic element to this

                (derek himself claims he has very average genetics btw, and is far from a hyper-responder. he's not deluded)

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >so there's obviously a genetic element to this
                of course, but the significance is endlessly overstated - as is happening in this very thread.

                taking advice from gymbros skimming through the abstract of 13 year old research (for reference, the citation cutoff date for clinical work is 7 years lol) is the equivalent to getting your diet plan by reading star signs.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                https://i.imgur.com/rwIBylr.jpg

                Write this on the blackboard as punishment.

                miRNA's function is to gene-silence mRNA anyway, so how could an increase in miRNA lead to greater gene expression and thus hypertrophy? of course if miRNA-378 regulates expression of the "don't grow muscles" gene then sure, higher levels of miRNA would cause more hypertrophy, but which gene is the "don't grow muscles" gene?

                this is likely a knock-on effect of some other causal factor: high responders have more muscle which leads to more miRNA-378 abundance in the same way that it leads to more capillaries - the miRNA-378 proliferates to support the existing muscle rather than causing it to exist.

                but:
                >IGF-I mRNA levels increased significantly (P = 0.016) with training in high responders only (Fig. 5). This seems in accordance with numerous studies suggesting that muscle-produced IGF-I may be involved in muscle hypertrophy through activation of mTOR signaling (37, 41).
                if only there was some way to use artificial substances to affect your IGFs. i wonder if anyone has told bodybuilders about this???

                i've already wasted more time on you than you deserve.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                https://i.imgur.com/rwIBylr.jpg

                Write this on the blackboard as punishment.

                >Ontological enrichment of a target gene list provides statistical evidence of distinct biological processes being targeted by the miRNAs that change with RT, but it remains a further challenge to pinpoint the signaling pathways involved in the adaptive responses from these alone. ... The highest-ranked signaling pathway in the present analysis was mammalian target of rapamycin (mTOR) signaling (P < 0.001), which is extensively implicated in skeletal muscle hypertrophy (49).

                but refer (from a different study, and one that actually meets the date requirements for clinical relevance, mTOR as a Key Regulator in Maintaining Skeletal Muscle Mass):

                >However, a recent report showed that IGF-I and its receptor IGFR were not important to the induction of hypertrophy and the activation of Akt/mTOR in mechanical loading (Spangenburg et al., 2008). ... Of interest, DN-IGF-I receptor-expressing muscle showed a similar level of activation of Akt and p70S6K1. These results implied that an unknown upstream mediator beyond IGFR might regulate Akt/mTOR signaling in skeletal muscle hypertrophy.

                >Hornberger et al. observed that IGF-I-independent mechanical stretch increases phosphatidic acids (PA), followed by mTOR activation (Hornberger et al., 2006). PA directly binds to the FKBP12-rapamycin binding (FRB) domain in competition with rapamycin, and activates mTOR

                etcetera.

                the point here isn't that genetics don't matter, it's that even if you learn everything there is to know about how miRNA-378 responds to IGF-1 and how that affects hypertrophy you still haven't even touched the IGF-1 independent mTOR pathway.

                we don't even know how muscles grow, so claiming we know exactly how much of it is genetics is so fricking premature it's risible. but you know what we DO know? that everyone who eats more, lifts more, and takes steroids gets jacked. not jacked yet? then eat more, lift more, and take more steroids.

                leave the clinical work to clinicians.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonynous

                Write this on the blackboard as punishment.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Very few studies have addressed miRNA expression in response to dynamic changes in muscle mass. In contrast to the present findings of an unchanged expression of miR-1 and miR-133a with 12 wk of RT, McCarthy and Esser (32) recently showed that the expression of these two myomirs was downregulated by ∼50% following 7 days of functional overload. This disparity could suggest that these two muscle-specific miRNAs may be regulated only during the initial response of skeletal muscle to functional overload. Indeed, our findings could indicate that this initial response subsides when the RT period is prolonged and does not appear to be linked to the extent of physiological change.
                >Indeed, our findings could indicate that this initial response subsides when the RT period is prolonged and does not appear to be linked to the extent of physiological change.
                try reading the whole article next time champ

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Are you actually moronic? Just think about what you typed for more then a minute and then feel shame

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                You probably think about yourself as smart. Maybe you are just trolling, at least I hope so.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Anti white shit
                There it is

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                you forgot the most important part which is that the amount of nuscle fibers one has is also determined at birth, and the more muscle fibers you have in a nuscke the stronger and bigger it will be with no training and it will respond exponentially more to training.
                there is as nuch as a 4-fold difference in muscle fiber number in the bicep of human adults, there's no fking way to close such a genetic gap

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I think the most ridiculous picture Ive seen must have been the one of jay cutler in his teens. Already mega swole natty while lifting farm equipment and some dumbbells.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Lol my parents brought my to swim since age one.
            i have 23 inch shoulders.
            its 100% what you put in it

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >i have 23 inch shoulders.
              ok post body.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Genetics is 99%, and training/eating is 1%
            lmao

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Genes have their role as far as physical appearance is concerned. Wide frame and tall v. short and narrow frame for example. However, genes don't matter. Diet and exercise are everything. If you don't train, your genetics don't matter.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonynous

              If you get two different untrained people of the same height and weight. Both do the same workout program and eat the same. One of them can gain 4 times more muscle than the other over the same time period. This is genetic ability to gain muscle.

              Look at this 5 year transformation, massive quads. Some people are not meant to build big muscles.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >bulking only works if you get like 400 grams of protein in per day

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >he doesnt know
      derek became morbidly obese when he bulked on a gram of gear

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Derek absolutely has no idea how to train. He's been called out and roasted for it by other bodybuilders.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >the great thing about steroids is that you WON'T get fat if you eat big
      Powerlifting is the sport of disproving this claim

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      t. fricking moron
      Even on gear there is a limit to how much you can gain a week. Even a 500kcal surplus is still a big amount on gear. Gaining 52lbs of muscle is basically 10+ years of natty lifting. The classic pros are mostly between 200-220lbs on stage. Do you really think you can just eat 7000kcal while blasting for six months and become the size of a classic pro? Even the frick huge top open pros are only eating 5000-6000kcal a day for the most part.

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I don't think he's that clueless. He strongly advocates against taking the same amount of roids he himself is reliant on.
    https://moreplatesmoredates.com/first-steroid-cycle/

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    How much does Derek bench? Did he give up on benching before getting advanced numbers?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I want this number too, my goal will be to out bench this annoying fricking grifter natty

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I want this number too, my goal will be to out bench this annoying fricking grifter natty

      There are natties with more impressive chests built using freaking push ups.
      And Derek DID bench, a lot, but he did so poorly that he got no chest activation, and instead of correcting his mistakes, he actually made a video claiming the barbell bench is a bad chest exercise.

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

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  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Supposedly derek is tall, not that tall like 6'1, which of course means at most 6'0 in real world inches and probably 5'9ish when you consider heightfrauding. But if he is tall he's not that small and dare I say maybe not that hopeless despite his face and proportions - not sure though.

    Obviously the fact that he's a big youtuber gives him massive status and wealth automatically so the normal rules don't apply. There's also the exposure factor and the pool of women who can see him - they say dating and online dating is a numbers game, well many millions of women can see Derek so there's bound to be a few that would like him............. probably.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah buddy, sure. I can imagine him impressing the ladies on a date.
      >Sup girl, Derek more plates more dates dot com
      >So, what is it you do, Derek?
      >I run this fricking YouTube channel. It has like fricking ehh... A few 100k subs.
      >Oh, like Mr. Beast? Or Pewdiepie?
      >Nah bro, I got this fricking ehh... I read Reddit posts, fricking Instagram fitness, goddamn trenbelone. No way dude.
      >O...kayyyy?
      >Wanna see my shredded to the fricking socks motherfricking mass monster death star delts? The females fricking love that shit bro.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        He's charismatic and emotionally intelligent, which is all you really need
        Look for yourself, his gf is at least a 7 or an 8

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          This
          He talks just like my uncle does and he isn't the best looker but his wife is a 9

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >Look for yourself, his gf is at least a 7 or an 8
          His gf is a fricking hobbit.
          The fact that Derek knows so much about looksmaxxing and lookism, and married a woman likely to give him manlet sons, shows he's a moron, and also extremely insecure.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I didn't know he married her, either way she's still cute and given how much derek knows about dating I doubt his sons would have issues even if their manlets

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Where are his legs?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >charismatic
          Laughing crying emoji OK sign emoji

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    nice cope

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >what is this?

    This is a demoralisation thread posted by the same guy living out of his parents house

    >who is he?

    An overweight ‘powerlifter’ standing at 1.6 meters

    >how long has he been doing this?

    Ever since he could justify his awful diet and work ethic by posting ‘at least I’m not a roiderino!!!! Right guys?!?!

    Don’t respond.

  14. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Idk why he never searched a video on how to do a 3 sec pause bench press. His legs are worse than natty lifters in terms of pure mass

  15. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    People still haven't figured out he has shoulder implants

  16. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I don't think he's clueless.
    Steroids are fine if the person doing them knows and accepts the harm they're doing to their body. They're trading years of their life, and later life health for being the biggest guy in the room.
    If it's an informed decision, then they've made their choice, and can suffer for it later.

  17. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Man boobies are overrated,I feel sorry for the guys ruining their shoulders and posture to get their chest comically big.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >t. my bench is 135 max

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It’s not possible for a natty to have a comically big chest.
      I specifically train for the sole purpose of building my pecs and while they look good when I have a pump, they don’t look that big when I’m flat.
      I just got into doing ring exercises so maybe the extra range of motion and turning my hands out could give me the stimulus I’ve been missing to really stretch it out and grow it.

  18. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I've always just watched MorePlatesMoreDates because he identifies guys who aren't natty and thats about it
    Helps me set up realistic expectations towards my goals
    Always thought I could look like superman but reality is I won't until I gain another 20lbs and even then its a huge fricking maybe that depends on how hard I train and push myself
    6'2 205lbs = 187cm 92kg

  19. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Guys im a roidtroony pls support me and donate to my next cycle, I want to run copious amounts of high and it's pretty expensive

  20. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I don't care what the studies say, feeling the pump and the muscle working is integral to growth.

  21. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The lack of chest development is likely due to a lack of bench presses in his regular routine.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >The lack of chest development is likely due to a lack of bench presses in his regular routine.
      He DID bench presses, and even made a video about how they're a bad exercise for chest building (because he can't do them properly), but he also claims he's "delt dominant," as in his delts are just so big and strong that he CAN'T build a decent chest (surely it's not that he doesn't know how to train).
      Also you can build chests just fine without barbell benching.
      That's what makes his chest so funny.
      There are natties who never touched a barbell, but did their dips and push ups variations, or did dumbbell presses and flies (with lighter weight), and still managed to build a chest.
      Meanwhile Derek blasted IFBB pro levels of gear, and couldn't even do that.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I suspect a big part of Derek's problem bodybuilding was that he's sufficiently autistic enough to understand diet and drug use and manage them himself, but lacks the hands on experience in training. You can look at the studies and Mike Israetel videos and go "okay, I just need to do 20 sets of chest per week to maximize growth", but if he'd actually hired a coach, he could've gotten some tips on his form and exercise selection that would've given him a much better chest. He honestly might be right about his shoulders taking over during barbell flat bench, but someone should've been there to tell to switch to other movements.

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