Does going to the gym have diminishing returns?

Does going to the gym have diminishing returns? Is it true you make 90% of your natty gains in the first 3 years and the next 15 years are squeezing out that last 10%

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    yes next question

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      how was your day?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        bad next question

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes which is why you should maintain as a lean guy after the first few years rather than bloating to chase a tiny amount of gains

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There's diminishing returns with everything. That doesn't mean it's not worth it.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    this is why you as a natty should just switch to being a rooner since if you weren't an athlete in high school, you can continue to make gains in your race times until you're like 40

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    natty gains never stop but at certain point you'll have to struggle for half year at least to add up 2.5kg plate to your max

    whether it's worth it or shall roid or perhaps even start training only twice per week to maintain and never bother to chase maxes again, it's up to (you)

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Is it true you make 90% of your natty gains in the first 3 years
    More like 1 year lol. It's rough out there for nattys but it's better than hopping on steroids, unless you're very serious about lifting.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      chart is bullshit somewhat
      1/2/3/4 isnt gymcel territory, and everyone should be able to hit that unless they have some problem (either hormone, mental or physical disability)
      2/3/4/5 should replace it and 1... should go just before the point of diminishing returns

      not true, its much closer to 3 years than it is to 1

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    yes.
    that why people succimb to roids, so they can get that noob gain feeling again.
    but you will reach the exact same diminishing returns with roids too.
    then its truly over.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No. Just do a sane routine. Westside barbell is good if you ignore bands and chains (because you're stupid and don't know how to use them, not because they're bad) and just do 1rm compounds +4-6x12 accessory bodybuilding instead.

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If you know what you're doing, sure.
    But that's why gotta learn to love training, there's always some exercise or method you can try. And effort is what matters.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >If you know what you're doing
      I'd say most people spend their first 3 to 5 years working out doing bad routines, having poor diets, meme broscience tips and tricks, and being overall inconsistent. Takes about 5 years to really lock down quality training routines, diets and habits

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Exactly, almost noone has an IFBB pro or an elite powerlifter as a coach, so saying shit like "you've hit your max genetics in 3 years" is just another way of saying "oh you look bad after 3 years? just quit, you have shitty genetics"
        Most people should just learn to love training hard.

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The chart is laid out stupidly, but it's on the right track. The amount of time you have to invest to improve in any one thing in your life goes up exponentially. You can hyper-focus, or you can experience a wider variety. There's the old 80/20 rule, where you get 80% of your results from the first 20% of your work - it's made up BS for business management, but a good way to look at things.

    What does this mean for fitness? Spread your 20% attentions around 5 times and you'll have a more healthy, attractive physique. Lift, cardio, sport of some kind, diet, looksmaxx - onviously far more benefits than just lifting 100%.

    This was kind of the concept behind crossfit in the beginning, btw. It got co-opted by jackasses, shysters, and fanatics along the way.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      IIRC Your first two years will be your biggest gains, first four months aren't even mass gain as much as muscle coordination and somatic connections getting the maximum out of your muscles. Then you hit gains and once you've gone over intermediate level in lifting capacity, it is a case of diminishing returns in terms of lean mass gains. Like 3rd year you go from adding 1-2lbs to adding 0.2 it's neglible.

      That said the vast majority of people will never hit that point, as 80/20 applies. if it takes 1-2 years of regular lifting to have that better than average body, no one is going to dedicate the additional 3rd year of chasing elite level performance, when your average normie cannot tell the difference.

      Also maintainence is easier, but it's a lifelong lifestyle change. My only advice is start young 14 - 16 and start early, easier to maintain.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        > first four months aren't even mass gain
        Pretty sure that's because beginners don't train optimally. If you DO, with a good routine and protein and recovery, you will gain shitloads of mass.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's probably a combination of that, and the motor neurons not being used to higher output. Those adaptations happen pretty quick but there's a while where they have to actually catch up to be at a point where it's failure on the muscles part and not just failing because of cns output not being enough recruit the nessisary type-ii fibers after type-i have started to exhaust themselves. Once that happens gains explode.

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, the bigger you are (lean mass wise), the harder it will be to add even more lean mass. You guys know you don't have to keep adding lean mass forever right? You can get to a point you are satisfied with and just maintain almost indefinitely for a fraction of the effort?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >You can get to a point you are satisfied with and just maintain almost indefinitely for a fraction of the effort?
      Did you get to a point you are satisfied with and are maintaining indefinitely for a fraction of the effort?

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