>start fitness >OHP every session, Benchpress once a week >only real tricep engager throughout the week is OHP >get tricep mired on by people who use mostly isolation exercises or only do bench
Its an accessory to barbell OHP at best
Even then youre better off using row variants to hit the other deltoids thar OHP misses
I like both. BB gives you the ability to lift a lot more weight, especially if your gym has a seated OHP setup or a low-back bench so you can do them seated. But yes, DB does give you a much more natural range of motion and requires lateral control/stabilization, which is really important for the shoulder joint in particular and building a kind of strength that will help prevent injury
Barbell OHP is the dyel's lift of choice because it's exclusively hyped up by gay youtube channels while the Chad who's never even heard of youtube gets actual gains with dumbbells.
My gym does not have a free barbell outside of power cages where I'd be able to do this exercise. I'm not a manlet so I'd hit the top of the cage instantly. So I'm relegated to dumbbell OHP.
t.6'3"
The exercise I struggled most with because of shoulder injury,
OP in the hope you are not a fucking fairy, or don't want to be one anymore.
Stop disregarding Compound Lifts. These are the best lifts, doing them all in the course of a week guarantees a fullbody workout, diminishing to 0 your chances of being a fagott that skips certain muscle groups
Wait people 1rm below 200lbs on ohp.
165 5x5
Trying to hit 225 before end of november which is when i started lifting. >t. Built farm tough
Throwing 300-400 hay bails a day works the shoulders hard af
240 lardass but I'm almost benching 300 so i don't care what you "people" think
Its a really bad angle thought, i have a 185 for a double from 2 months ago but this is more recent.
6 days ago
Anonymous
lmao that’s a push press you retard
6 days ago
Anonymous
Don't get me wrong, you're definitely stronger (and fatter) than me, but you're initiating with leg drive here
6 days ago
Anonymous
https://i.imgur.com/j2Znop4.jpg
lmao that’s a push press you retard
You guys are right this is also a 1rm after 2 failed attempts, i was happy i even go it up.
6 days ago
Anonymous
I’m these guys
https://i.imgur.com/j2Znop4.jpg
lmao that’s a push press you retard
[...]
Not him but I’m actually curious because no one actually does ohp. My grip is just maybe 1 inch inside the main knurling >245 btw
Good job man but don’t call it an ohp. I hope you reach those goals bro try adding in a heavy low rep one arm dumbell press as an accessory for the 225 ohp. That’s helped mine a lot probably something to do with balancing but I don’t know for sure just helps mine personally
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6 days ago
Anonymous
Nice anon, I hit 225 here(inb4 didn’t lock out) then few weeks later worked up to 250lbs. Weigh about 215 right now. Guess my next goal is 275lbs.
6 days ago
Anonymous
>inb4 didn’t lock out
i mean, its not. if you do a still image we cant even know if its strict
6 days ago
Anonymous
Mobileposting ftw and 225 flew up honestly. But yea no leg drive either.
6 days ago
Anonymous
>Mobileposting ftw
only imorons cant post webms
6 days ago
Anonymous
>then few weeks later worked up to 250lbs
doesnt count, enjoy your early death roidchud
It's not going to literally affect you lifting the weight during training, but with lower T you will not build the same kind of muscle when recovering. Which is called getting stronger in short.
>Low T >Get less strong from lifting. >High T >Greater anabolism after lifting
>doesn't transfer well into athletics >doesn't improve your bench >easily injures your shoulders >easily injures your back >easy to cheat >ineffective at building shoulders >ineffective at building triceps >doesn't build your chest
What the fuck are you smoking? A few years ago my bench was 355 and strict OHP was 245 just before my last strongman competition, where I mostly ignored bench in training. There is no such thing as someone who OHPs as much as they bench. That's like saying you row as much as you deadlift. Absolute fiction.
>doesn't transfer well into athletics
no >doesn't improve your bench
no >easily injures your shoulders
retard >easily injures your back
retard >easy to cheat
don't cheat >ineffective at building shoulders
wrong >ineffective at building triceps
wrong >doesn't build your chest
physiologically wrong
you're wrong on all points. in what sport are you pushing overhead (strongman and weightlifting don't count and ohp isn't even a useful exercise for weightlifting).
bench press improves overhead press, but overhead press doesn't improve bench in my and many others experience.
rip your rotator cuffs.
rip your lower back.
medial and rear delts don't even get hit well by it, its an ineffective shoulder builder.
it doesn't put enough load on the triceps compared to many other movements like a close grip bench press.
great so you cheated and turned it into a standing incline, putting stress on your lower back and just slightly utilizing your upper chest.
> in what sport are you pushing overhead
Name a sport that requires you to push perpendicular to your body, in a manner that is dominated by chest rather than delts and triceps
>rip your rotator cuffs. >rip your lower back.
Skill issue, your form is ass
>medial and rear delts don't even get hit well by it, its an ineffective shoulder builder. >flat bench doesn't even hit your upper chest, it's an ineffective chest-builder
>it doesn't put enough load on the triceps
lol
lmao
>great so you cheated and turned it into a standing incline
Again, sounds like a "you" problem
>Name a sport that requires you to push perpendicular to your body, in a manner that is dominated by chest rather than delts and triceps
The horizontal pressing trained for sport does not utilize the pecs as the primary movers, it is front delt and tricep. An athletic grip would be close grip.
>it doesn't put enough load on the triceps >lol >lmao
If I can close grip 3 plates for 10 reps and overhead press 1.5 plates for the same number of reps, which movement going to have more mechanical tension be put into the triceps?
>Again, sounds like a "you" problem
My form is fine, the general gym goer and average DYEL though, not so much.
There are many better ways to build shoulders than standing barbell OHP.
>you're wrong on all points. in what sport are you pushing overhead
The plane that you're pressing on doesn't really matter. Any sport that involves fast tricep flexion, like boxing for example. Overhead push presses are especially good for this too.
>rip your rotator cuffs. >rip your lower back.
More like RIP your form. Hire a coach or watch videos on proper form. >medial and rear delts don't even get hit well by it, its an ineffective shoulder builder.
Name me a single pressing exercise that builds up your rear and lateral delts. I'll wait. >it doesn't put enough load on the triceps compared to many other movements like a close grip bench press
It doesn't put as much load on your triceps as an exercise that is designed to overload your triceps. Wow. Great point anon. >great so you cheated and turned it into a standing incline, putting stress on your lower back and just slightly utilizing your upper chest.
You should not be standing incline for the entire movement. Once again read about form.
> physiologically wrong
it really doesn’t build your chest much at all
I can do 5 reps of 70kg and I’m a visual chestlet
It does carry over onto the bench press though.
I’m not cheating them. Locked knees and each rep from the front rack position.
I’m just saying it’s not a very aesthetic lift for whatever reason. I’ve benched 2-3 times in the last year but OHP has enough carryover whereby I’ve been able to bench 125.
i think you just have shit genetics, or something else might be wrong. are you doing enough hypertrophy with it? how many reps/sets a week?
6 days ago
Anonymous
Not enough for hypertrophy. 3x5 once a week, and 8 heavy singles of maximal clean and strict press.
I’m just maintaining my OHP to be honest, it’s strong enough for what I do.
Have to agree with this guy
Stopped doing OHP a few months ago and replaced it with lateral raises. My shoulders look much better now, my back doesn't hurt anymore and neither does my shoulder. OHP is for ego-lifting.
You're a fucking retard. If you overhear someone says they prefer one thing over another, do you instinctively go "YOU CAN HAVE BOTH! YOU CAN HAVE BOTH THO!" like a fucking idiot? Because you just did.
You realize you can just do variations of a certain exercise rather than changing the exercise itself entirely. Use a machine OHP instead of a barbell OHP to give an example.
You're a fucking retard. If you overhear someone says they prefer one thing over another, do you instinctively go "YOU CAN HAVE BOTH! YOU CAN HAVE BOTH THO!" like a fucking idiot? Because you just did.
It's optimal for strength and hypertrophy to start shoulder day with some low rep OHPs and finish with high rep lateral raises to finish burning out your delts. With some other, moderate-rep lifts like incline bench or arnold press between the two of course.
I'm a pretty intermediate lifter, but am happy with my delts >150lbs x3 OHP >185lbs x5 Incline Bench >30lbs x12 Lateral Raise
Oddly enough, of all the compound lifts, OHP stresses my CNS more than everything except dead lifts.
Nice 1RPM for that weight. I'm an inch taller and only got to 195 1RPM when I weighed about 190. Cut and weigh 170 now and just do 115 or 1 plate for reps. One of my favorite lifts too, plus front squats.
>doesn't transfer well into athletics
Transfers better than bench. Regardless, irrelevant because no one here trains for sports performance. >doesn't improve your bench
Fortunately, I bench to improve my bench. On the other hand, I ohp to improve my ohp. >easily injures your shoulders
No it doesn't, your shoulders are meant to work through their full range of motion. Start with a weight you're able to lift, not the one you want to lift. Benching without ohp WILL lead to injury, though. >easily injures your back
Clench your abs during a standing ohp. Just because you have poor form doesn't mean it's a bad lift. Start with a weight you're able to lift, not the one you want to lift. >easy to cheat
Then don't cheat?? Tf you talking about, touch or pause clavicles and fully lock out. Just because you have poor form doesn't mean it's a bad lift. >ineffective at building shoulders
Idk about you but I'm capped from ohp. Just because you're a non-responder doesn't mean it's a useless lift. >ineffective at building triceps
Best compound for triceps. Better than your treasured bench. Better than a close grip bench. triceps are your weakness if ohp prioritization leaves you with any desire for tricep isolation. But just because you're a non-responder doesn't mean it's a useless lift. >doesn't build your chest
Neither do squats but you still squat
Am I missing much if I don't push my head through the window between my arms? I'm up to 115lbs but if I push my head through my shoulder impinges. >Well fix your shoulder
I'm trying but it's slow progress doing external and internal rotation training and stretches to restore ROM. It doesn't help that my job is putting a lot of stress on my shoulder to force it to be chronically internally rotated
Do whats comfortable, impingement is a bitch. The more you impinge the more youll aggravate the tendon and the higher the likelyhood of injury. Maybe youre missing some neck gains idk, but its better to do that than to be unable to ohp due to a slow healing tendon injury
You probably have a point but it's that there wasn't a strict "injury event" so I don't know how to classify it. Had a rotator cuff injury literally like 8 years ago and sometimes it flares back up if I get cocky and let my form degrade or push too high on progression.
I know continuing to train when under strain like this is generally bad, but getting stronger has made it hurt much less in normal day to day circumstances.
I should probably drop the overhead and just focus on those rehab exercises for a while until it feels back to "Normal".
Still fucking PISSED that 8 years ago they never officiall diagnosed it, just gave me generic rehab. Should I see a pro?
What kind of credentials should I look for? I'm assuming I want something more scientific than a gym trainer who took a course on rehab and mobility- so I want to go to like an actual accredited physiotherapy office? Anything to look out for red/green flag wise?
Fortunately I haven't got any personal experience with this, but I definitely would try to go for the best care that I could afford, like a proper physiatrist
As for what to look for, I'd try to find one that works with actual competitive athletes.
Physiotherapy is good if it follows research, most if it dont. If they do a lot of passive treatments where the patient lays there and they "adjust or align" something through backy cracky, theyre shit.
If they tell their patients that theyre misaligned, and the pain they got is due to some muscle imbalance, or posture, theyre shit.
I do this a lot and I was stuck at 50kg 3x5. I moved to dumbell shoulder press and it feels much better and I feel it more in my shoulders rather than my triceps. I'll stick to this for a while and then go check my OHP in the future.
No, you may be leaning too far back. After you clear your head, you need to shoot it back in front of the bar so that you are pressing vertically. I injured my pec and switched to ohp instead of bench because it puts very little strain on it.
I guarantee I make more than you. Im on the grind working long hours at MY business. I do a 20 minute high intensity bodyweight workout everyday. Free. Efficient. Great results.
You pay X per month to go and lift weights for hours in someone elses house.
Hate to say it, but even if I do roll and get digits, the gains I’ll be getting are most likely nonexistent. I mean come on OP doesn’t believe in one of the most important lifts for building a physique. His gains will be minimal compared to the ones I make on a daily basis just by leaving my bed.
It's my only lift that goes down for no fucking reason. Got up to 115 for 5 and then the next time had to cheat and standing incline bench the 3rd rep. Deloaded twice now and still can't get 115 for 5 again. I haven't even lost weight, it's truly gone down for no reason.
What's your incline bench? Stop doing flat bench and switch to incline for a while if you want to work on your OHP. You probably have a shit upper chest.
This was me for months
The only thing that worked was to push through
Do sets of 1-3, increase your number of sets, force reps with every fiber of your body
Barbell press has gained a almost cult like attitude from certain people if it does nothing for you try a variation like dumbell or machine , problem with people trying to body build and improve thier looks is they can get swamped in the dogma of what X Y Z personality or group says when exercises are somewhat individual and what might be the number one exercise for you now in six months might not be as good then you switch to a variation and you're golden and that trash exercise for you may now be the good one you basically cycle through four to five exercises for whatever muscle overtime
Stay dyel I guess
Dumbell OHP is far superior
Okay do that then and post results after a year
>He doesn't do both
>start fitness
>OHP every session, Benchpress once a week
>only real tricep engager throughout the week is OHP
>get tricep mired on by people who use mostly isolation exercises or only do bench
Its an accessory to barbell OHP at best
Even then youre better off using row variants to hit the other deltoids thar OHP misses
I like both. BB gives you the ability to lift a lot more weight, especially if your gym has a seated OHP setup or a low-back bench so you can do them seated. But yes, DB does give you a much more natural range of motion and requires lateral control/stabilization, which is really important for the shoulder joint in particular and building a kind of strength that will help prevent injury
This person gets it. People maining ohp a dyel benchlets
This
Heavy 1 arm db press will make a man out of you
That's a weird way to spell kettlebell
Barbell OHP is the dyel's lift of choice because it's exclusively hyped up by gay youtube channels while the Chad who's never even heard of youtube gets actual gains with dumbbells.
do both. only autistic kids think you have to choose one over the other
Cool theory. Except nobody who is actually strong at OHP is dyel. OHP is the dyel filter. You have been filtered
My gym does not have a free barbell outside of power cages where I'd be able to do this exercise. I'm not a manlet so I'd hit the top of the cage instantly. So I'm relegated to dumbbell OHP.
t.6'3"
>gives you a nice big shoulder yoke and free mires
nothin personnel kid
The exercise I struggled most with because of shoulder injury,
OP in the hope you are not a fucking fairy, or don't want to be one anymore.
Stop disregarding Compound Lifts. These are the best lifts, doing them all in the course of a week guarantees a fullbody workout, diminishing to 0 your chances of being a fagott that skips certain muscle groups
>lifting for 4 months
>OHP only at 55lbs
pain
squeeze ur butt bro
it's worth 20lbs
how about you squeeze it for me
IST in a nutshell.
I got just the plug for your intra-abdominal pressure bb
It's my penis.
I bought a plug already
it's slightly too big, but I'll get used to it
Aight so you put it in and I hold your cheeks together
135 is just around the corner bro
/fit/
learn to activate the muscles involved in ohp with isolation exercises.
Female?
yes
55 pounds isn't bad for a woman. Just keep working on it and ygmi
>Year in
Only 100 lbs
>Lifting for 3 months
>OHP only at 60kg
pain
You’re doing that for 3 sets of 12 reps right? You wouldn’t come on fit and brag about a useless 1rm right?
3x6x60kg
New weight.
Wait people 1rm below 200lbs on ohp.
165 5x5
Trying to hit 225 before end of november which is when i started lifting.
>t. Built farm tough
Throwing 300-400 hay bails a day works the shoulders hard af
Post video or you're wrong
240 lardass but I'm almost benching 300 so i don't care what you "people" think
Its a really bad angle thought, i have a 185 for a double from 2 months ago but this is more recent.
lmao that’s a push press you retard
Don't get me wrong, you're definitely stronger (and fatter) than me, but you're initiating with leg drive here
You guys are right this is also a 1rm after 2 failed attempts, i was happy i even go it up.
I’m these guys
Good job man but don’t call it an ohp. I hope you reach those goals bro try adding in a heavy low rep one arm dumbell press as an accessory for the 225 ohp. That’s helped mine a lot probably something to do with balancing but I don’t know for sure just helps mine personally
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Nice anon, I hit 225 here(inb4 didn’t lock out) then few weeks later worked up to 250lbs. Weigh about 215 right now. Guess my next goal is 275lbs.
>inb4 didn’t lock out
i mean, its not. if you do a still image we cant even know if its strict
Mobileposting ftw and 225 flew up honestly. But yea no leg drive either.
>Mobileposting ftw
only imorons cant post webms
>then few weeks later worked up to 250lbs
doesnt count, enjoy your early death roidchud
same
tfw lifting for 7 months and at 130 for reps. 1 pl8 fucking soon.
get your T checked holy shit
I dont believe testosterone affects your lifting capabilities to such a great extent
It's not going to literally affect you lifting the weight during training, but with lower T you will not build the same kind of muscle when recovering. Which is called getting stronger in short.
>Low T
>Get less strong from lifting.
>High T
>Greater anabolism after lifting
>lifting for 8 months
>dumbbell ohp at 75
yes
80s next week lets go
>lifting 2 months
>OHP 80
>squat 80
I have chicken legs and have bowled my whole life
how the fuck can your squat be the same as your OHP
She has chicken legs and has bowled her whole life
>doesn't transfer well into athletics
>doesn't improve your bench
>easily injures your shoulders
>easily injures your back
>easy to cheat
>ineffective at building shoulders
>ineffective at building triceps
>doesn't build your chest
Where the fuck you get these informations from?
You're just salty that your OHP is shit and can't improve it
its an overrated exercise. actually try to counter my points. I rep 2 plate on OHP without even training it.
>rep 2 plate on OHP
post body right fucking now
>reps 225lbs on ohp
Unless you post proof you're lying
This, if you can hit 225 flat bench, no arch, you can hit 225 OHP easy, no extra training required
>I lean back when I ohp, essentially making it a bench press
What the fuck are you smoking? A few years ago my bench was 355 and strict OHP was 245 just before my last strongman competition, where I mostly ignored bench in training. There is no such thing as someone who OHPs as much as they bench. That's like saying you row as much as you deadlift. Absolute fiction.
225 flat bench is about equivalent to a 140 press. If you can OHP 225, you should be able to bench around 365 lbs
That's a really complicated way of admitting your form is trash.
>doesn't transfer well into athletics
no
>doesn't improve your bench
no
>easily injures your shoulders
retard
>easily injures your back
retard
>easy to cheat
don't cheat
>ineffective at building shoulders
wrong
>ineffective at building triceps
wrong
>doesn't build your chest
physiologically wrong
you're wrong on all points. in what sport are you pushing overhead (strongman and weightlifting don't count and ohp isn't even a useful exercise for weightlifting).
bench press improves overhead press, but overhead press doesn't improve bench in my and many others experience.
rip your rotator cuffs.
rip your lower back.
medial and rear delts don't even get hit well by it, its an ineffective shoulder builder.
it doesn't put enough load on the triceps compared to many other movements like a close grip bench press.
great so you cheated and turned it into a standing incline, putting stress on your lower back and just slightly utilizing your upper chest.
Why would you cheat on OHP? Retard alert.
yeah but if i want to be a cool guy that can do handstands i have to start somewhere
> in what sport are you pushing overhead
Name a sport that requires you to push perpendicular to your body, in a manner that is dominated by chest rather than delts and triceps
>rip your rotator cuffs.
>rip your lower back.
Skill issue, your form is ass
>medial and rear delts don't even get hit well by it, its an ineffective shoulder builder.
>flat bench doesn't even hit your upper chest, it's an ineffective chest-builder
>it doesn't put enough load on the triceps
lol
lmao
>great so you cheated and turned it into a standing incline
Again, sounds like a "you" problem
>Name a sport that requires you to push perpendicular to your body, in a manner that is dominated by chest rather than delts and triceps
The horizontal pressing trained for sport does not utilize the pecs as the primary movers, it is front delt and tricep. An athletic grip would be close grip.
>it doesn't put enough load on the triceps
>lol
>lmao
If I can close grip 3 plates for 10 reps and overhead press 1.5 plates for the same number of reps, which movement going to have more mechanical tension be put into the triceps?
>Again, sounds like a "you" problem
My form is fine, the general gym goer and average DYEL though, not so much.
There are many better ways to build shoulders than standing barbell OHP.
>you're wrong on all points. in what sport are you pushing overhead
The plane that you're pressing on doesn't really matter. Any sport that involves fast tricep flexion, like boxing for example. Overhead push presses are especially good for this too.
>rip your rotator cuffs.
>rip your lower back.
More like RIP your form. Hire a coach or watch videos on proper form.
>medial and rear delts don't even get hit well by it, its an ineffective shoulder builder.
Name me a single pressing exercise that builds up your rear and lateral delts. I'll wait.
>it doesn't put enough load on the triceps compared to many other movements like a close grip bench press
It doesn't put as much load on your triceps as an exercise that is designed to overload your triceps. Wow. Great point anon.
>great so you cheated and turned it into a standing incline, putting stress on your lower back and just slightly utilizing your upper chest.
You should not be standing incline for the entire movement. Once again read about form.
>in what sport are you pushing overhead
In the only sport that matters : Overhead pressing chicks at pool parties.
> physiologically wrong
it really doesn’t build your chest much at all
I can do 5 reps of 70kg and I’m a visual chestlet
It does carry over onto the bench press though.
stop cheating the reps then you retard
I’m not cheating them. Locked knees and each rep from the front rack position.
I’m just saying it’s not a very aesthetic lift for whatever reason. I’ve benched 2-3 times in the last year but OHP has enough carryover whereby I’ve been able to bench 125.
I mean visual chestlet
Maybe I just have shit chest genetics
Pls ignore keto diet book, I liked the recipes
i think you just have shit genetics, or something else might be wrong. are you doing enough hypertrophy with it? how many reps/sets a week?
Not enough for hypertrophy. 3x5 once a week, and 8 heavy singles of maximal clean and strict press.
I’m just maintaining my OHP to be honest, it’s strong enough for what I do.
Have to agree with this guy
Stopped doing OHP a few months ago and replaced it with lateral raises. My shoulders look much better now, my back doesn't hurt anymore and neither does my shoulder. OHP is for ego-lifting.
>you can only do lateral raises or OHP
You're a fucking retard. If you overhear someone says they prefer one thing over another, do you instinctively go "YOU CAN HAVE BOTH! YOU CAN HAVE BOTH THO!" like a fucking idiot? Because you just did.
I just know you dont have nice shoulders
i do when a retard says he replaces a heavy main compound lift with a low weight accessory lift when most people pair them anyway without trouble
You realize you can just do variations of a certain exercise rather than changing the exercise itself entirely. Use a machine OHP instead of a barbell OHP to give an example.
It's optimal for strength and hypertrophy to start shoulder day with some low rep OHPs and finish with high rep lateral raises to finish burning out your delts. With some other, moderate-rep lifts like incline bench or arnold press between the two of course.
I'm a pretty intermediate lifter, but am happy with my delts
>150lbs x3 OHP
>185lbs x5 Incline Bench
>30lbs x12 Lateral Raise
Oddly enough, of all the compound lifts, OHP stresses my CNS more than everything except dead lifts.
Ohp is my favorite lift
Nice body, bro
beach body. very nice. height/weight? whats your ohp btw
Little over 5"10, 165lbs
Can rep 1pl8 ohp easy, 1RM ohp at 175lbs
>1RM ohp at 175lbs
impressive
Nice 1RPM for that weight. I'm an inch taller and only got to 195 1RPM when I weighed about 190. Cut and weigh 170 now and just do 115 or 1 plate for reps. One of my favorite lifts too, plus front squats.
>1RPM
>1 repetition per maximum
>Ohp is my favorite lift
>over 5"10, 165lbs
post body
Sorry, I don't do take requests from children
Retarded ESL durka durka moron
His weight is irrelevant if he looks good gay
he looks ok because there isn't any references. people wouldn't believe he lifted unless he showed them his training footage
>people wouldn't believe he lifted
do you think people just come into existence looking like that
you would look exactly the same if you didn't do OHP. it doesn't add hypertrophy at all.
>doesn't transfer well into athletics
Transfers better than bench. Regardless, irrelevant because no one here trains for sports performance.
>doesn't improve your bench
Fortunately, I bench to improve my bench. On the other hand, I ohp to improve my ohp.
>easily injures your shoulders
No it doesn't, your shoulders are meant to work through their full range of motion. Start with a weight you're able to lift, not the one you want to lift. Benching without ohp WILL lead to injury, though.
>easily injures your back
Clench your abs during a standing ohp. Just because you have poor form doesn't mean it's a bad lift. Start with a weight you're able to lift, not the one you want to lift.
>easy to cheat
Then don't cheat?? Tf you talking about, touch or pause clavicles and fully lock out. Just because you have poor form doesn't mean it's a bad lift.
>ineffective at building shoulders
Idk about you but I'm capped from ohp. Just because you're a non-responder doesn't mean it's a useless lift.
>ineffective at building triceps
Best compound for triceps. Better than your treasured bench. Better than a close grip bench. triceps are your weakness if ohp prioritization leaves you with any desire for tricep isolation. But just because you're a non-responder doesn't mean it's a useless lift.
>doesn't build your chest
Neither do squats but you still squat
Stfu and lift the bar over your head pussy
I think athletics is the one thing it for sure has going for it actually.
It's undoubtedly a very functional, practical lift
Coaches never program OHP. And they do that for a reason. Unneeded wear and tear on the shoulders.
and yet it grows
Am I missing much if I don't push my head through the window between my arms? I'm up to 115lbs but if I push my head through my shoulder impinges.
>Well fix your shoulder
I'm trying but it's slow progress doing external and internal rotation training and stretches to restore ROM. It doesn't help that my job is putting a lot of stress on my shoulder to force it to be chronically internally rotated
Do whats comfortable, impingement is a bitch. The more you impinge the more youll aggravate the tendon and the higher the likelyhood of injury. Maybe youre missing some neck gains idk, but its better to do that than to be unable to ohp due to a slow healing tendon injury
If you're healing from a shoulder injury, you probably should avoid overhead work in general
You probably have a point but it's that there wasn't a strict "injury event" so I don't know how to classify it. Had a rotator cuff injury literally like 8 years ago and sometimes it flares back up if I get cocky and let my form degrade or push too high on progression.
I know continuing to train when under strain like this is generally bad, but getting stronger has made it hurt much less in normal day to day circumstances.
I should probably drop the overhead and just focus on those rehab exercises for a while until it feels back to "Normal".
Still fucking PISSED that 8 years ago they never officiall diagnosed it, just gave me generic rehab. Should I see a pro?
>Should I see a pro?
Yeah, definitely. Shoulder injuries are no joke
What kind of credentials should I look for? I'm assuming I want something more scientific than a gym trainer who took a course on rehab and mobility- so I want to go to like an actual accredited physiotherapy office? Anything to look out for red/green flag wise?
Fortunately I haven't got any personal experience with this, but I definitely would try to go for the best care that I could afford, like a proper physiatrist
As for what to look for, I'd try to find one that works with actual competitive athletes.
Physiotherapy is good if it follows research, most if it dont. If they do a lot of passive treatments where the patient lays there and they "adjust or align" something through backy cracky, theyre shit.
If they tell their patients that theyre misaligned, and the pain they got is due to some muscle imbalance, or posture, theyre shit.
>Is fun
roll
>ITT: a bunch of people with no shoulders
I do this a lot and I was stuck at 50kg 3x5. I moved to dumbell shoulder press and it feels much better and I feel it more in my shoulders rather than my triceps. I'll stick to this for a while and then go check my OHP in the future.
You call them OHP.
I call them Atlas press.
I did 135lbs for 5 the other day and I don't even train OHP in any form.
Stay weak OP
>fixes you
Nothin personel kid
I get a chest pump when pressing overhead. Is this normal?
No, you may be leaning too far back. After you clear your head, you need to shoot it back in front of the bar so that you are pressing vertically. I injured my pec and switched to ohp instead of bench because it puts very little strain on it.
Not him but I’m actually curious because no one actually does ohp. My grip is just maybe 1 inch inside the main knurling
>245 btw
That sounds about right. I'm 5'9 and my index is right on the start of inside of main knurling
Other than what other anon said, what grip width you use?
I use a narrow grip like pic related.
knurling look a bit wrong but yeah
And the dude is using a suicide grip on the smooth parts. He's two sweaty palms away from suicide by OHP.
I mean I suicide for OHP, it's not exactly dangerous
I would recommend narrower than that, you want your hands directly over the shoulder joint at lockout
Sorry OP, but this is real life, the autistic OHPer gets the girl.
Captcha: TRA 0W0
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>he doesn’t use the far superior trap bar for OHP
Lmao, pathetic
I just do handstand push up variations.
Gyms are for idiots who want to waste time and money
>time
???
>money
stop being a poorfag
I guarantee I make more than you. Im on the grind working long hours at MY business. I do a 20 minute high intensity bodyweight workout everyday. Free. Efficient. Great results.
You pay X per month to go and lift weights for hours in someone elses house.
Post body
Bost pody
i'm 175lbs and can OHP 115 for 1 set of 5 reps, is this okay
it feels really hard to go beyond this point and I'd really just like to hit 1pl8 soon
If you can rep for five 115 cleanly, it's surprising you can't do one plate. Just add those little 2.5s and you'll get there.
form breaks down on the last one or two reps usually and I have to push press it up
I rep 120 for 5 and 125 for 3 every little increase kills me
>my OHP is weak, so im just gonna say its bad.
Hate to say it, but even if I do roll and get digits, the gains I’ll be getting are most likely nonexistent. I mean come on OP doesn’t believe in one of the most important lifts for building a physique. His gains will be minimal compared to the ones I make on a daily basis just by leaving my bed.
>does nothing but build your yoke and shoulders
you can find skinny dudes and women benching 3pl8s, but anyone who can strict press their bodyweight will look like they lift
>Women benching 3 plates
Doesn't Stefi Cohen hold the world record at 2 plates? Who the fuck are these women you've been hanging around?
Not him and his original statement is dumb but Jen Thompson, two plates is not the world record by any means.
It's half of a clean and jerk which is very effective. You guys aren't wasting your actual time with half-lifts and isolations?
> Rippetoe, NO ISOLATIONS COMPOUNDS ONLY!
> Promotes isolated part of a clean & jerk.
What did the garden gnome-oil salesman mean by this?
>Jerk and strict press are the same thing.
>Implying strict press isn't a valid compound movement on it's own.
>makes my rear deltoid tiny
I'm actually mad about this
Then isolate your rear delts numb nuts.
that's what """"they"""" tell you
> welcome to muscle town kid, enjoy your stay
I sit on bench and do Dumbell OHP because Planet Fitness doesn’t have any barbells
make sure you do them seated so you dont legdrive passed you sticking point and cheat. Its not a quad-shrug it's supposed to be hard.
It's my only lift that goes down for no fucking reason. Got up to 115 for 5 and then the next time had to cheat and standing incline bench the 3rd rep. Deloaded twice now and still can't get 115 for 5 again. I haven't even lost weight, it's truly gone down for no reason.
Same with me. Had 50kg for 2 reps, missed ONE meal like one time and im back to 45kg.
OHP for me only goes up when my bodyweigth increases. at 200lbs I struggle with 1pl8 and at 225 right now I can comfortably do 150lbs for reps
>squat 360
>bench 240
>OHP 130
Not even 1 plate, what the fuck is wrong with me
Do you press regularly? Or like once every two weeks?
What's your incline bench? Stop doing flat bench and switch to incline for a while if you want to work on your OHP. You probably have a shit upper chest.
This is caused by squatting and benching frequently while neglecting ohp. Just ohp 2 or 3 times a week instead of once.
dyel
>got 115x4 before failing
>two workouts in a row
>do a fuckton of volume at 95 and 105
>get 115x5 yesterday
It's something
>still failed 125 though
Ive only been lifting for 3.5 months.
Only doing 4 main lifts.
Bench press, squat, deadlift and overhead press.
Tbh I've seen great results so far so I'm gonna continue with it.
Top pics are 4 months ago, bottom pics were this week.
I OHP'd 1pl8 for the first time for 4 reps Tuesday and I'm still DYEL. I still love this exercise though.
Thanks for confirming your a DYEL who will never be able to even lift 10kg in this god of all exercises.
>stall at 57.5kg
>deload
>stall at 57.5kg
>deload
>stall at 57.5kg
>deload
This was me for months
The only thing that worked was to push through
Do sets of 1-3, increase your number of sets, force reps with every fiber of your body
do better programming retard
>makes me feel like big strong monke
>UGA BUGA
Barbell press has gained a almost cult like attitude from certain people if it does nothing for you try a variation like dumbell or machine , problem with people trying to body build and improve thier looks is they can get swamped in the dogma of what X Y Z personality or group says when exercises are somewhat individual and what might be the number one exercise for you now in six months might not be as good then you switch to a variation and you're golden and that trash exercise for you may now be the good one you basically cycle through four to five exercises for whatever muscle overtime
Ist doing them sitting better than standing?