Does self-improvement do anything for a normal guy?

Let's say you are a regular looking dude of average height who decided to improve everything within his control starting from lifting weights to get a IST physique, getting a degree, to career, wealth, hobbies up to minor stuff like grooming.
Will he really become attractive to girls or is it all just a massive cope?

  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >does being a better person mean more people will notice you
    yes

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      yep but being noticed shouldn't even be relevant
      >does acquiring power mean you have more control
      yeah, it does, you can create the scenarios you want, and do whatever

      what kind of dumb question is this

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Does self-improvement do anything for a normal guy?
    Self-improvement is just what life should be. Trying to avoid self-improvement so you have time for more hedonism is your undeveloped self speaking.

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    this graph is fucking retarded
    no man in his 30s will have same sexual market value as a 18 year old girl
    and no 25 year old man will have more SMV than a 35 year old milf.
    even at that age she can get sex instantly

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      retard

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      it's normalised you stupid fuck

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      t. seething zoomer
      if you're somewhat good looking, take care of yourself, have money, and lift women VILL want to fuck you, yes even 18 year olds.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >no man in his 30s will have same sexual market value as a 18 year old girl
      a famous millionaire movie star would

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    > getting a degree, to career, wealth
    That doesn't make you attractive lmfao. Women aren't intensley attracted to fucking money, otherwise bill gates would be a sex symbol. Yes he can fuck any girl cause he's a billionare, but a 100k normie vs a 60k chad is still getting blown out the water

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      but you still need ambition if youre looking for more than a fuck

      a girl dumped my friend a few days ago for the same reason, hes 23 but does nothing all day

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Depends on your overall genetics, especially face. But 100% you can make a big difference. Don't delude yourself that you'll become an 8/10 chad though. Chads are born, not made.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I guess that you can be a chad underneath??
      I mean I've looked pretty shitty in highschool with poor hygiene and now I'm looking pretty damn good, even with the cutting my own hair only thing going on, have a gf that loves me.
      life is looking pretty okay, except for the shitty workplace.
      Example
      A random qt at the bus station locked eyes with mine for 10-15 seconds looking all seductive.

      People really underestimate themselves and let life go.
      I was a dirty acne ridden nerd who sat in front of his pc for half a day every day and would stutter whenever he spoke to a girl.

      Don't just "be confident", take care of and better yourself and then you can start acting more confident.

      You'll know you made it when you look at the mirror and feel good about yourself.

      Good luck.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      impressive self-improvement progress, keep it up!

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    yes but it's probably mostly attributed to the self-respect and confidence you get and display from having your shit together and being in control of your own life.

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    It only helps if you're okay with getting a GF that hit the wall twenty years ago and is looking for someone to settle with.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Based graph

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Props to researchers for doing such a study lol

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >"Self-reported and physiological sexual arousal to adult and pedophilic stimuli were examined among 80 men drawn from a community sample of volunteers."
      >volunteers
      >"Hey, do any of you guys wanna look at some sexually arousing photos of children?"
      >"Hell yeah, sign me up!"

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yah, the study is horribly designed and it's results can't be generalized as they don't adhere to requirements for normalization. It's actually infamous in psychology for how dogshit it is.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yah, the study is horribly designed and it's results can't be generalized as they don't adhere to requirements for normalization. It's actually infamous in psychology for how dogshit it is.

        This is how they acquired the participants:
        This was the ad:
        >for participation in an experiment on human sexuality that
        will require a total of 8 hours on two consecutive days.
        Males 18 and older only. For further information, contact Program Coordinator at the location

        >Upon arrival for the study, subjects were informed by the female graduate
        student experimenter about the requirements of the study and that the re-
        sults of the study would be confidential and that they could withdraw from
        the study at any time. Subjects were screened out if they were under med-
        ication or other drugs. None of the subjects reported experiencing sexual
        dysfunction.

        >Eighty-six persons called to inquire about the study but did not schedule
        appointments to participate in the study. Twenty-two persons scheduled ap-
        pointments but failed to appear. Nineteen subjects withdrew from the study
        after the requirements were explained to them. One subject completed self-
        report measures, but not the physiological assessment, and one could not understand English and was eliminated from the study.

        >Eighty subjects completed the study. Their mean age was 38.3 years (SD =
        10.74, range = 19-66). Fifty-two subjects were Caucasian, 25 were African
        American, 2 were Hispanic, and 1 was Asian American. The subjects' mean
        education was 14.1 years (SD = 2.46, range = 10-20), and their Shipley IQ
        mean was 110.24 (SD = 9.64). Twenty-eight subjects were never married; 26
        were married; 18 were divorced; 6 were separated; and 2 were widowed. It appears that unmarried subjects were somewhat overrepresented in this sample.

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I tried self improving and I can't stay that it helped me in any way. Lost like 40kg, picked up the guitar, fixed my teeth, got a an ok job and saved some money and I'm still a fucking loser

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Would you rather be 40kg fatter, with crooked teeth, and unemployed?
      Regardless how you feel about yourself, you're in a much better position to get what you want now.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Dubs of truth, anon you are awesome, keep up the grind, wagmi.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      what is your definition of a loser?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        no friends, never having a gf at 30, no purpose or meaning in life, social anxiety. just the usual

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          hello me

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Your problem is you never completed the mental portion

      >If you cocoon and get ripped, start making a lot of money, and learn to play music all the while still thinking
      >>this better be worth it, I sure hope I can get laid, hopefully all this finally gets me the female approval I need
      >then it's not gonna work.
      Then what'd the fucking point? If self improvement won't get me laid, gf or a loyal wife, then there's literally no point.

      The point is self improvement. Man is designed to face challenge

      Your problem is entiterly a mental one. You have a weak will. Until you fix that you could be a billionaire with the face of a mo ie star and it wouldnt matter because you exude mental weakness.

      Self improvement did nothing in terms of women. Broke skinny fat druggie who failed HS at 18, still khhv. Now at 23, about to finish a uni degree, 30k no debt, fit and still a khhv. All this hard work and effort for nothing, I should have stayed as a NEET honestly

      You barely got past the novice stage. Yiu jave a long way to go youngin

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Be just a regular everyday normal guy
    >Nothing special about me motherfucker!!
    >I’m just a regular everyday normal guy
    >When I go to the clubs I wait in line motherfucker!!
    >I’m just a regular everyday normal guy
    >I got six hundred dollars in the bank motherfucker!!
    >just a regular everyday normal guy
    >my sexual performances are average

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Kek, nice song

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Of course it will, but you need to work on your attitudes at the same time.

    If you cocoon and get ripped, start making a lot of money, and learn to play music all the while still thinking
    >this better be worth it, I sure hope I can get laid, hopefully all this finally gets me the female approval I need
    then it's not gonna work.

    But if you find true self-respect, joy and confidence when you start to take yourself and your life seriously then this inner positivity will carry through in your interactions and some women will notice and be attracted to you.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >If you cocoon and get ripped, start making a lot of money, and learn to play music all the while still thinking
      >>this better be worth it, I sure hope I can get laid, hopefully all this finally gets me the female approval I need
      >then it's not gonna work.
      Then what'd the fucking point? If self improvement won't get me laid, gf or a loyal wife, then there's literally no point.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Because people are attracted to people that excite them who can make it on their own and aren't needy or desperate. People with a real sense of worth and self esteem. If you think so little of yourself and your life that there's no point in doing anything unless someone else approves of you then other people are gonna see the same amount of value in you as you see in yourself - very little. No one wants to spend time with someone that's miserable and self loathing and they especially don't want to date them because then obviously the miserable person "needs" the other person to feel fulfilled, so the person dating you would realize that its not them that you value but that they're interchangeable with any moist hole that can fill your void inside and someone with self respect will refuse to put themselves in that situation.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >If you cocoon and get ripped, start making a lot of money, and learn to play music all the while still thinking
          >>this better be worth it, I sure hope I can get laid, hopefully all this finally gets me the female approval I need
          >then it's not gonna work.
          Then what'd the fucking point? If self improvement won't get me laid, gf or a loyal wife, then there's literally no point.

          So to clarify, the point is to realize in the end only you can make yourself happy just as only you are the one making you miserable by judging yourself for not having a gf. You just gotta accept that maybe you won't get a gf but you can still be happy, and that completely magnifies your actual chances of getting one.

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Every person ever born is because a peepee went in a girlhole

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    What's SMV? Shin Megami Vensei?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      some kind of attractiveness score I presume

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Sexual Market Value

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Will he really become attractive to girls or is it all just a massive cope?
    it's a cope. Women care most about your genes. They don't want your muscles or your "hobbies", they want your bones, your height, your face.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Do women want 300lbs chads whose genes aren't visible?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Women care most about your genes. They don't want your muscles
      Muscle size is entirely determined by genetic factors, you idiot. Arnold's sons are absolute units whether or not they work out. Women want that those genes to have strong kids, they simply shy away from extremely fit people because they don't want to feel pressured to self-improve too. But you're kidding yourself if you think a 6'2, 200lbs, 8% body fat guy would struggle getting laid.

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >regular looking dude of average height
    Sure
    >hideous KHHV incel with brain fucked by IST
    Sorry chief

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >doing it for girls and not yourself

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Self improvement did nothing in terms of women. Broke skinny fat druggie who failed HS at 18, still khhv. Now at 23, about to finish a uni degree, 30k no debt, fit and still a khhv. All this hard work and effort for nothing, I should have stayed as a NEET honestly

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      How you ever considered it might be attitude and outlook on life thats hindering you?

  17. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    self-improvement works but be careful all self improvement influencers want you to get addicted to their videos or sell you shit

  18. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Self-improvement will always increase your odds with the ladies, but the range of that increase will vary a lot based on your inherent genetics.

    There's really nothing a 5'6 man could do to be extremely attractive to most women. Getting wealthy, fit, and showing charisma will improve his odds but not to the same level a 6'2, symmetrical face dude has at baseline. Dating is a hierarchy and you can move up but rarely a dramatic amount. If you're a 4 or 5, you can't self improvement yourself to an 8. Maybe you could do 6.

  19. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Self-improvement is cope and women are genetic determinists.

  20. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Look at your own chart, which shows male attractiveness plateauing in the 20s and then rising and peaking in the 30s. Why do you think that is? If it were just about physical beauty then our peak should be in the early 20s. But this isn't the case.

    So why does your graph show attractiveness rising again? It's because of those other factors besides height. Maturity, wealth, status, etc.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      this. it considers status and stability with finances etc

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      retarded take. i looked like a deformed children at 20. the idea that young =attractive is only valid for women.

  21. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Hi there OP. Care to explain this?

    [...]

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Care to explain this?
      OP is a pathetic self-defeatist looking for social approval to be a lazy shit.

  22. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Bro you believe this chart from a random blog because it has labels and looks vaguely scientific

    this is how you establish intellectual authority and convincingly lie to people, this advanced sort of lying is also the tool of the media and the state

    There is no shame in falling for it, but you have to learn to think critically about intellectual authority or you will always be under the power of dishonest people

  23. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    > guy: walks up with a big smile, starts saying "hi, how are you?" with a cheerful disposition
    > girl: "I have a boyfriend" [actually that's a lie, but I'm making a bet that you are actually self-loathing so I won't date you. Also never mind that depressed people date and have relationships]

    > hey <femanon acquaintance> I think you are a nice person, let's go on a date this weekend
    > her: no thanks, because even though no part of our social interaction has ever suggested you have a mood disorder, I'm just going to assume you are needy and desperate

    > you gotta pretend like you don't have "needs" that another person has to fulfill
    > no, ignore the fact that Maslow Hierarchy includes things such as love, connection, intimacy, reproduction, status, recognition

    > just be happy even if you never get a gf, or with the thought that you may never get one
    > ignore that every piece of media wants to pretend that having regular romantic interactions with the opposite sex is normal
    > ignore that everyone having a significant other at some point is not considered extraordinary.
    > ignore that our culture treats men like you as dangerous, insane losers who deserved to be mocked

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Touch grass bro go outside talk to a girl bro

  24. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yes but don't do it to get woman, take it from an 8/10 guy, most woman today are NOT worth the effort.

  25. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    What's the alternative? If you're a fat, acne riddled slob wearing a Dorito stained hoodie and reeking of body owner who lives in your mom's basement you're a million light-years away from the guy who is put together.

    So yeah. And since 80% of people don't try at all it makes it really easy to improve. If you have a job and aren't fat and can shower and put on a decent set of clothes you're already above 80% of people.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >And since 80% of people don't try at all it makes it really easy to improve.
      Dude, is that you what actually see when you spend time in a coffee shop, go to a park, or attend a meetup/group class?

      There are some fat guys, but most people look fine by outward appearances.

  26. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yes. I did that and now i am married with kids after years struggling prior to decided to get my shit together.

  27. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Face is the only thing that matters. Assuming you aren’t an extreme manlet, your face is the number one thing that determines your success. Not just in dating, but in all social avenues.

    Women will take a skinny guy with chad face over a buff guy with an average face.

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