>doesn't believe in CICO

>doesn't believe in CICO
how do people even take this quack seriously?

  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    he literally tells people to eat less to lose weight

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    In some instances, CICO does not work. I for example am skinny fat. My body carbonized much more muscle because of a large calorie deficit but kept the body fat percentage high. There are also other examples of people losing more weight at eating higher colories because the body burns more stored energy.

    Therefore, body recomposition is an ordeal.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >In some instances, CICO does not work.
      If you're losing weight, it's working. There's nothing to say that calories out can't be muscle. That's on you to prevent with proper training.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >i disobay the laws of thermodynamics
      no you don't

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >midwit take
        The body is not a close system and calories can be used on various things, not just fat loss and fat gain. By CICO logic, bulking would be impossible.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >By CICO logic, bulking would be impossible
          what? are you fucking retarded lmao

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >fat loss and fat gain
          CICO is about weight gain/loss. Fat just happens to the weight people are focused on but it's not the only thing.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >By CICO logic, bulking would be impossible.
          HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
          This is the keto brainfog I've heard so much about.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            bro you got ratiod

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          very late most retarded post of the year attempt?

          i hope they still count you in for the contest

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Are you a special needs person?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          kek how did you pass high school? YOU ARE NOT AN UNLIMITED ENERGY SOURCE.

          Let me explain this for you
          >Calories in
          this is how much you put in your fat face
          >Calories out
          this is how much your body will burn and whatever rate it burns. Your rate may be different, but you still have a rate

          This shit isn't complicated

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I think you should be genuinely just fucking killed for the betterment of humanity. Anyone this retarded should be made an example.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >>i disobay the laws of thermodynamics
        >no you don't
        CICO (energy in energy out) implies a closed thermodynamic system (a system that gains and loses energy only)
        The human body is an open thermodynamic system (gains and loses both energy and mass with the outside environment, and can alter it's metabolism and absorption of nutrients).
        For example when you eat you are adding mass to your body and some of the food doesn't get digested and absorbed so it leaves the body in the form of mass and no energy is extracted from this lost mass.
        This causes CICO to not work as expected according to online calculators because the human body doesn't follow the law of thermodynamics for closed systems (CICO system).

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      that just means your hormones/genes are shit or you dont train good enough
      still doesnt mean cico isnt real
      even people with metabolism issues still are under the rules of cico

      if you stopped eating at all you would eventually lose all fat you have even if its the most stubborn mass in your body

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You are skinnyfat because you don’t work out and eat protein to maintain muscle. You are skinnyfat because you eat like shit and don’t CO to burn that extra CI

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      CICO is working, even if you're skinnyfat. You could just be predisposed to have a skinnyfat type of body.

      If you're skinnyfat at 140-160, you probably need to be 120 to be ripped.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      sure, cico works BUT consider the following:
      >you generate your daily energy expenditure online
      >this generator was made for the average human, not considering hormone imbalances caused by stuff like your thyroid
      >you think u can eat 1800 kcal a day and lose weight but in reality you need more like 1400 (lets say this is in a completely sedentary state) due to the way your body uses this energy
      this means that cico can never be absolute. it will never be the same for everyone. of course everyone will lose weight when they are taking in less than they burn, but having to eat 800-1000kcal under maintenance to lose the same amount of weight as someone eating 300kcal under leads to burn out. the hormonal imbalances must be fixed for it to apply evenly. yes everyone can lose weight like this, but it DOESNT mean you can DO IT. I have no problems like this, but i know plently of people (older women) who do. and dont tell me they're lying, i see what my mother eats every single day, and if i ate as much as she did while expending the same amount of energy, i would be dead.

      this is what this anon was pointing out, and if youre one of the retards that spammed "HURR DURR CICO LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS DURRR" you need to fuck off and die, if YOU were put into the body of someone with these issues, YOU would realize its not as easy as you think it is. its called perspective, maybe when u retarded zoomers get out of high school u might gain some instead of staying dunning kruger forever.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Wtf are you about talking about generating energy expenditure online? Wtf

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          these are the people that inhabit the fitness board, these are the people screaming CICO at any chance they get. do better, be smarter.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Why do you put so much effort into a retarded post

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          these are the people that inhabit the fitness board, these are the people screaming CICO at any chance they get. do better, be smarter.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        go back to /fat/, ketoschizo

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    CICO is true but mainstream retards don't account for the CO part correctly.
    If you think 500 calories of low fat milk and 500 calories of fried chicken will have the exact same result on your bodyweight and body composition, you are a fucking idiot.
    People who have done lots of restrictive diets in the past have depleted themselves of nutrients, which slows down the metabolism. They've also burned through lots of PUFA, which slows it down even further. To the point that their maintenance calories are pretty damn low.
    The goal there for anyone with half a brain, is not to restrict calories, but to provide nutrients to restore metabolism and health.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    only simple minded ISTcels believe it's as simple as cico

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous
  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    CICO is not a diet. It's a principle.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      so?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Do you expect a trophy for repeating CICO as if it actually does anything?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It’s a law. Like thermodynamics :^)

      Failure to obey just turns you into a fat coping retard, by law

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Thermodynamics is an equation designed for steam engines not a law.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    For real, ketosis can result in extra weight loss. The ketone bodies that are formed as an alternate energy source can be lost through urination and respiration (ketone breath). This loss is probably very minor but it's still there.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    > eat 1g protein (4 calories)
    > protein gets broken down into amino acids
    > amino acids go into cells to build muscle tissue
    > since you used them for structure, you can't also break it down for energy
    > mfw a calorie in did not equal a calorie out
    Apply the same logic to fats going toward hormone production or carbs going toward muscle glycogen.
    >but the calories are still there, they just went toward growth and development rather than fat!
    Maybe organisms in different biological states will use the same number of calories to very different ends, some using an excess to put on muscle and clear the body of metabolic wastes while others in a stress state just accumulate fat while their lean tissue wastes away.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      that just means that proteins arent really 4kcal for the body
      the underlying concept of cico still applies

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >some people will burn protein/fat/carbs for energy
        >others will use it to build structure in the body
        >the amount of energy you get out of food is indeterminate and based on the state your body was in when you ate it (anabolic or catabolic)
        >therefore two people with the same body composition eating the same number of calories and performing the same amount of exercise might get different results if one is in a stressed, catabolic state
        >but none of this matters CICO bro

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    He's dead. Who cares. Stop kicking this horse

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    CICO, like the flat earth theory is impossible to disprove. Therefore it is unscientific and should be disregarded.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Impossible to disprove means it's true idiot

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It does not mean that at all retard. It means no matter what evidence, logic, or reasoning you present against an argument, the person in favour of said argument will never be convinced otherwise. By what you're saying it must be true that the easter bunny and the tooth fairy also exist.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Hard to believe that we still have this thread nearly every day.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I'm a long term keto/carnivore dieter but the denial of keto by skinnyfat shills is annoying

    The only way I can be 10% by is by carefully watching my intake and walking 5-10 miles a day to burn off anything over my limit of 1800 cals

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >I'm a long term keto/carnivore dieter

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >The only way I can be 10% by is by carefully watching my intake and walking 5-10 miles a day to burn off anything over my limit of 1800 cals
      This is pathetic bro.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Lately i've been listening to his old interviews, there are lots of gems there, i recommend checking it out

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yes hello fellow chadnet user

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        i don't think i've listened to the interviews posted on chadnet, i do however, have been rereading his articles on chadnet because the formatting is much better than his website. i've been mostly listening to his KMUD and East West healing hour long interviews that only have hundreds of views on garden gnometube.....yeah i'm a NEET lol

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    you should read more, you lack knowledge

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    all these anti-Peat shills have never ever read or listened to his interviews, all of the little infos of peat they know, they got it from the retards on RPF

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      cursed pic

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    He does. But people here deny that metabolism can in fact change across a broad range, which he does believe. That is not denial of calories in calories out. He also explicitly said in some interview that people who gain weight eating what they suppose to be the "ray peat" diet should eat less.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >so Doctor Peat, what would you say to the people who want to lose weight?
    >RP: ohhh..uhhh..stop eating so much...hahah
    i forgot where but i remember it clearly when he said this

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