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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    roger that.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >eat like shit all of his life
      >switch to normal human diet when he's already fricked from plants
      >DUDE IT WAS MEAT

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Its funny how you have double standards like this

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You are the one that can't grasp correlation and causation. You don't have any logic, you dumb Black person.

          Let me explain it to you in low IQ terms, so you can understand:
          >guy was eating vegetarian all of his life, destroyed and weakened his body, malnutritioned it
          >put it on the brink of death, possibly causing a lot of diseases along the way
          >switched to a normal human diet, his body and metabolism sped up
          >he fricking died from the damage caused by his previous "diet"
          Et voila. If you don't get it, then you're a dumb motherfricker.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I didnt read your post because its clearly cope or some nonsense one up witty remark. Nothing I said was incorrect

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              So you're simply a delusional moron. Got it.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I didnt read your post because its clearly cope or some nonsense one up witty remark. Nothing I said was incorrect

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >What if
            Ignored

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              There is no "what if" It actually fricking happened

              https://i.imgur.com/63okX3E.jpeg

              roger that.

              Do you have reading problems?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >possibly caused diseases
                >his metabolism sped up
                No proof for these nemnulous claims

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >random homosexual on the internet
                >infallible evidence that the foods humans ate for all of humanity is bad
                carb addicts just gets more moronic every day.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >carb addicts just gets more moronic every day
                >just gets
                >more moronic

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >the foods humans ate for all of humanity is bad
                that doesn't make them healthy you absolute sperg. fricking braindead 90 iq moron.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >humans can evolve to become the dominant species on the planet by eating foods that are bad for them
                Black person tier IQ

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                we became even more dominant and advanced eating cereal grains you idiot

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >humans dominated the planet
                >humans ate meat
                "IT MUST BE BECAUSE OF MEAT THAT HUMANS GOT SO SMART"
                That's actual Black person logic, you fricking moron. Why aren't lions and tigers running the world if that's how shit works?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Humans were literally chewing plants 8 hours a day so we could not talk and only developed speech when we started to eat meat and our mouth was allowed to evolve to allow for complex speech and language.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                And large hypercarnivores like lions only eat once every few days so why haven't they evolved speech?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Because they stayed lions and tigers
                U stupid?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            lmao how moronic can you get. it blows my mind people genuinely think it's healthy to eat nothing but meat all day everyday loaded with saturated fat and wonder why they start having heart problems.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >vegetarian diets cause artery calcification

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            He's still alive, btw. And he was always doing "dirty" carnivore to begin with. Other than that, you're pretty much spot on. Also, he's got some genetic bullshit going on, I recall a thread way back when.

            Also, and most importantly, ITS ONE FRICKING GUY, FOR CHRISTS SAKE. One anecdote means nothing, the confounding factors are literally as complex as a human life is complex. The fact that he's the ONLY example those vegetarded morons present is telling in itself.

            I'll keep eating strictly meat until I die. If its in 5 years from a heart attack, so be it. I sincerely doubt it, however.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            How would you get clogged arteries on vegetarian though? like a serious answer. Theres so little fat on vegetables i cant understand howd you have anything clogged.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              vascular glycocalyx damage from hyperglycemia

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                so the sugar source then. that makes sense but if you eat vegetables and make your own bread. Wheres the excessive sugar going to come from? although a lot of vegetarians eat cheese pizza and such. thats not really a vegetable just because its not meat.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Theres so little fat on vegetables i cant understand howd you have anything clogged.
              FAT DOES CLOG ARTERIES homosexual

              Find me one single study that isn't some epidemiological survey study done with FFQs showing fat causes heart disease. You can't because it doesn't exist. The whole "fat is bad" meme is a israelite psyop to get you to eat more processed foods.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >FAT DOES CLOG ARTERIES homosexual
                Glad you two agree

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                excessive fat and sugar probably arent good but my point was the sugar. if you avoid white bread and eat vegetables and eat healthier grains like farro and stuff i dont see how you can get a ton of plaque.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >i dont see how you can get a ton of plaque
                Easily. Vegantards have been bricking their arteries with oxalic acid for decades now. Oxalic acid binds to any source of calcium, which means any LDL a vegan has will rapidly form oxalate crystals in the arteries which causes massive microtears throughout the arteries and thus arterial plaquing.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >l rapidly form oxalate crystals
                it cant be that rapid oxalate is in nearly every food except for meat. most people who were vegetarian for a long time arent getting kidney stones.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                the only foods that have oxalates are grains and most vegetables, wtf are you talking about? Just don't eat spinach, chard or grains, and skin and boil your potatoes, it's that simple.
                >most people who were vegetarian for a long time arent getting kidney stones
                not everyone responds to oxalates with kidney stones, many get arthritis, endometriosis, brittle bones / low calcium, gout, chronic inflammatory diseases etc

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >chard
                oops i had some the other day. idk. just dont think being a carnivore is what humans are meant to do.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You're playing with fire, this isn't some carnivore schizo shit, oxalate acid is a real thing and you can go lookup what it does in a chemistry setting divorced from the food war shit.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Just don't eat spinach, chard or grains, and skin and boil your potatoes
                Weird how its literalber once been an issue in all of history until carnivore YouTubers started talking about it like a year ago. Almost like its a fad

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Weird how its literalber once been an issue in all of history
                you are wrong and moronic
                https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/221917
                https://web.archive.org/web/20200223042439/http://www.thepoisongarden.co.uk/atoz/rheum_x_hybridum.htm

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >eating poison kills you
                Yeah obviously. Do you have any sources that aren't totally dishonest?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Oxalic acid is the poison in many vegetables, including rhubarb, spinach and chard.
                Eating a diet that attempts to subside and grains over a long enough period of time will result in an accumulation of oxalate crystals in the body.
                Do you know how many mg of oxalic acid the human body can process and secrete in a 24 hour period?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So no actual proof then. Gotcha.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >to subside and grains over a long enough period of time will result in an accumulation of oxalate crystals in the body.
                people ate grains and chard for centuries though and never had excessive issues with oxalate crystals. most people didnt eat a lot of meat.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Gout, kidney stones and arthritis didn't exist until now, when people eat the same garbage peasant diets except now with canola oil
                moron

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Weird how its literalber once been an issue in all of history
                you are wrong and moronic
                https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/221917
                https://web.archive.org/web/20200223042439/http://www.thepoisongarden.co.uk/atoz/rheum_x_hybridum.htm

                https://medlineplus.gov/ency/article/002876.htm

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >eating poison kills you
                Yeah obviously. Do you have any sources that aren't totally dishonest?

                Its all you have huh? That poison kills you? Wow I guess all veggies are mean and bad.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >not everyone responds to oxalates with kidney stones, many get arthritis, endometriosis, brittle bones / low calcium, gout, chronic inflammatory diseases etc
                Vegans and vegetarians have less than all of these. Stop regurgitating nonsense you hear online

                You're playing with fire, this isn't some carnivore schizo shit, oxalate acid is a real thing and you can go lookup what it does in a chemistry setting divorced from the food war shit.

                Its never been an issue ever. Ever.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Easily. Vegantards have been bricking their arteries with oxalic acid for decades now
                Then why do they live longer with less disease

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    yeah yeah, doctor looks bad, everything he says - invalidated

    there is literally no solid evidence that moderate meat consumption or a plant based diet are detrimental for your health
    as long as it is a balanced diet it'll be fine

    just stay away from meme diets like carnivore, keto etc.

    generally everything that was eaten >10.000y ago regularly is safe, because that's what our bodies adapted to
    and this ranges from diets with like 80%+ fish to diets with mostly nuts, berries and roots with less than 5% meat

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >as long as it is a balanced diet it'll be fine
      Promoting a sensible, balanced diet with lots of variety doesn't sell. Outrage engagement and echochamber-pandering is the name of the game.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This. You can't feel yourself as le based epic mongol warrior or nature loving world saving friend of animals on regular diet, you must choose your side and consooom

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          plant based diets kill the most animals and destroy the environment. But I am not surprised in the slightest that a vegtard doesn't realise this. You discord morons are incredibly ignorant.

          1 hectare of monocrop farmland = 500 dead rabbits per year. Add to that birds and bugs killed by pesticides. Add combine harvester deaths to other animals, deaths by shotgun, deaths due to soil-death... I really hope you're just a kid because it's shameful for an adult to be so ignorant of farming practices.

          If you want to save the world and animals, eat large local animals that live in harmony with the environment like cows.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You need much more farmland to grow crops for factory farmed meat or any other meat raised on animal feed than you do for a plant based diet.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        There is nothing "sensible" about a modern diet, and a balanced diet necessarily means eating animal-based since that is the only possible way to obtain all micronutrients in bioavailable amounts without toxicity or caloric excess. People here do type a lot of shit without using their brains.

        yeah yeah, doctor looks bad, everything he says - invalidated

        there is literally no solid evidence that moderate meat consumption or a plant based diet are detrimental for your health
        as long as it is a balanced diet it'll be fine

        just stay away from meme diets like carnivore, keto etc.

        generally everything that was eaten >10.000y ago regularly is safe, because that's what our bodies adapted to
        and this ranges from diets with like 80%+ fish to diets with mostly nuts, berries and roots with less than 5% meat

        There is tons of evidence that plant-based diets harm health, it's pretty well documented that vegetarians have worse health outcomes than people who eat indigenous diets and it's been studied for more than 100 years. Dentistry was largely founded on the research of Weston Price into how modern plant-based diets cause degeneration.

        People should stay away from modern fad diets and this necessarily means avoiding non-fermented plants. We are not adapted to eating fruits and vegetables in their modern forms especially when raw.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >People should stay away from modern fad diets and this necessarily means avoiding non-fermented plants.
          i agree that fad diets should be avoided, but "animal based" and avoiding plant foods because of so-called toxicity is part of modern fad diet discourse, particularly low carb schizos.
          >We are not adapted to eating fruits and vegetables in their modern forms especially when raw.
          i agree with vegetables, for the most part they must be cooked to some degree if consumed whole, but fruit is by far one of the most assimilable foods and provide so much benefit it's just insane to tell people to avoid them.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Just don't be a moron and eat healthy grains like Raisin Bran instead of candy and cookies.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            "Whole grains" are literal poison and no culture on the planet has ever eaten untreated grains prior to extremely recent history. The only way you could possibly make it worse is by covering them in synthetic vitamins.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              It's not untreated. It literally says it's toasted you fricking moron.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Thank you for confirming that you have no idea what I'm talking about.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >heh I didn't say what I meant
                >what an idiot for not understanding my genius level of insights
                Maybe you should cut down on the fat. It's getting to your brain.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              whole grain means the hull is removed.
              >no culture on the planet has ever eaten untreated grains prior to extremely recent history
              absolutely moronic

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >absolutely moronic
                So you're telling me that 600 years ago, wheat was ground into flour within a few hours of being harvested?

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Why is anything you just said bad? Who cares if we never ate it? Why is adding vitamins to foods bad? You sound like a women just appealing to their emotions.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >You sound like a women just appealing to their emotions.
                I'm appealing to intelligence and common sense but IST tends to lack both.

                >Who cares if we never ate it?
                Pre-modern people could point you to any of hundreds of plants in their region and tell you the exact properties of each one. Native Americans did not spend days of effort preparing acorns for eating if it would have been find to just roast them and eat them. Mesoamericans would not have invested the time and effort in developing the nixtamalization process if untreated corn was a healthy food.

                >Why is adding vitamins to foods bad?
                Because synthetic vitamins are not equivalent to real vitamins. As an example, that cereal box lists "Vitamin A Palmitate". Go ahead and compare the formulas:
                >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_a_palmitate
                >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_A
                Your body needs actual vitamin A, not a synthetic ester of retinol and palmitic acid. Stop being a homosexual and eat real food.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I'm appealing to intelligence
                Not really. You're just going by what you "feel" is right. Not what the general consensus is.
                >muh native americans
                >muh mesoamericans
                They also died in their 30's and 40's and barely survived out of childhood.
                >Your body needs actual vitamin A, not a synthetic ester of retinol and palmitic acid. Stop being a homosexual and eat real food.
                Where is the human evidence that people who supplement vitamin A end up becoming deficient in vitamin A or experience negative health effects? Yes they aren't the same or "natural" doesn't mean it doesn't fulfill its purpose or cause harm.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >You're just going by what you "feel" is right
                >They also died in their 30's and 40's and barely survived out of childhood.
                Delicious irony.

                >Where is the human evidence
                It's a google search away you lazy sack of shit. I don't know why I bother educating you people when you're too worthless to take a couple steps on your own.
                >https://www.healthline.com/health/vitamin-a-palmitate#side-effects-and-risks
                >Vitamin A palmitate is fat soluble and remains stored in the body’s fatty tissues. For this reason, it can build up to too-high levels, causing toxicity and liver disease. This is more likely to occur from supplement use than from food.
                >Vitamin A supplements in too-high doses have been linked to birth defects, including malformations of the eyes, lungs, skull, and heart. Regular high doses of vitamin A can cause depression, dry skin, and painful muscles and joints.

                >https://www.ewg.org/sunscreen/the-problem-with-vitamin-a/
                >Too much preformed vitamin A, including retinol, retinyl palmitate, retinyl acetate and retinyl linoleate, can cause a variety of health problems, including liver damage, brittle nails, hair loss, and osteoporosis and hip fractures in older adults.

                Your body has a variety of mechanisms for balancing micronutrient intake and storage but those mechanisms are built around natural sources of vitamins, not synthetic ones, which can and do bypass your body's balancing mechanisms.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >t's a google search away you lazy sack of shit
                You're the one making the claim

                Okay so the reason supplements are bad because you could possibly overdose if you're moronic. Great argument.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I thought medieval peasants ate whole grain bread because the finely ground stuff was reserved for nobility.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >synthetic meat vitamins added to their peasant grains
            Kek

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Literally the only sane post itt

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            your body doesn't absorb any of those "nutrients".

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Proof?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm a retired cerealmaxxer

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >We are not adapted to eating fruits and vegetables in their modern forms
          But of course cows pumped full of growth hormones and fed corn is totally a-ok right

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >But of course cows pumped full of growth hormones and fed corn is totally a-ok right
            Lmao no. They should be humanely raised and eating their own natural diet (i.e. grass).

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Okay moron. How are we gonna feed billions of Indians, Africans and Chinese then? Are we just gonna let them starve?
              Do you have any idea what the economic consequences of a lack of growth would mean?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                thats a whole lot of not my problem. my butcher shop is just fine

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              But they aren't

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >There is nothing "sensible" about a modern diet, and a balanced diet necessarily means eating animal-based since that is the only possible way to obtain all micronutrients in bioavailable amounts without toxicity or caloric excess
          Whats the argument for that? A multivitamin fully absorbs and can get you almost all micronutrients for 0 calories. And don't say "toxicity" without actually providing human outcome data
          >There is tons of evidence that plant-based diets harm health
          Wrong
          >it's pretty well documented that vegetarians have worse health outcomes than people who eat indigenous diets and it's been studied for more than 100 years
          Wrong
          >We are not adapted to eating fruits and vegetables in their modern forms especially when raw
          Doesn't matter. Humans who eat more plants/fiber tend to live longer and have a lower risk of all cause mortality.

          plant based diets kill the most animals and destroy the environment. But I am not surprised in the slightest that a vegtard doesn't realise this. You discord morons are incredibly ignorant.

          1 hectare of monocrop farmland = 500 dead rabbits per year. Add to that birds and bugs killed by pesticides. Add combine harvester deaths to other animals, deaths by shotgun, deaths due to soil-death... I really hope you're just a kid because it's shameful for an adult to be so ignorant of farming practices.

          If you want to save the world and animals, eat large local animals that live in harmony with the environment like cows.

          >plant based diets kill the most animals and destroy the environment
          Wrong. Majority of plants are fed to livestock. Over 70%
          > 1 hectare of monocrop farmland = 500 dead rabbits per year. Add to that birds and bugs killed by pesticides. Add combine harvester deaths to other animals, deaths by shotgun, deaths due to soil-death
          See above. Also you have no data to support how many rabbits die in cropland compared to non-cropland. You're just making numbers up.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >muh multivitamin
            Kek this Black person is eating human waste XD

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Don't even argue with fat heads. Their brain is like 50% fat already. polite sage

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >A multivitamin fully absorbs
            Opinion discarded.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I would say keto is a useful tool for cutting weight fast or getting super lean for whatever reason, but yeah doing that shit for prolonged time is stupid.
      I'll do it and fasting after holiday feasts since I'm pretty sensitive to shitty eating now that I'm older, so I use it to unfrick the leg swelling I get from eating too many carbs. I'm 6'2" 150 pounds and it feels like I'm flirting with diabetes if I dare to pig out for a weekend. pic is my fricked foot from eating like a fatass. I'm not even 40 yet.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >. I'm 6'2" 150 pounds and it feels like I'm flirting with diabetes if I dare to pig out for a weekend
        Get on metformin. Do it yesterday.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >doing that shit for prolonged time is stupid.
        Like I'd listen to some boomer moron with advanced diabetes

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Like I care what some anon on an anime website does

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          He's not wrong THOUGH.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Black person, you already have advanced diabetes. Those skin changes are unmistakeable. You should never again eat a single carb, ever. I know you will, because you're an old addict at this point. Old addicts never quit for long.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The benefits of eating carbs outweigh the negatives even for diabetics.
          More fat would just make them more insulin resistant.
          You can't just go from one unhealthy diet to another.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Jesus fricking Christ, you people are incredible.

            Diabetes is a disease of TOO MUCH FRICKING GLUCOSE IN THE BODY. Insulin resistance is a GOOD thing, it keeps your cells from DYING from being glycated to shit. Its really not complicated at the most basic level, diabetes is when cells become over-replete with energy, and they shut their mouths from getting in any more sugar- because sugar is TOXIC in relatively low concentrations. Thus, "insulin resistance", that saves your fricking organs from suffering fatal damage. What gets sacrificed are the blood and endothelial cells, the excess glucose gets shifted to the bloodstream. Why? Easier to replace, believe it or not. Also its a way for the glucose to get pissed out through the kidneys, if things get really dire.

            Funnily enough, fat doesn't have such a mechanism. You fricking moronS take it to mean that fat is more harmful, talk about "fat toxicity", but the exact opposite is true, fat is non-toxic in the absence of carbohydrates in the diet. That's the reason why in the presence of fat ingested sugar doesn't get utilised very well. The body prefers to use fat for most things, except the things it needs sugar for, like parts of the brain, myocardium, etc. That's why we have gluconeogenesis, WHICH NEVER EVER STOPS, no matter our diet, but I digress.

            Let me make it STUPID simple. No human being alive should eat carbohydrates, not one gram ever. Eating fats AND carbs at the same time is WORSE than eating just carbs, absolutely. Read up on the Randle Cycle. But a diet devoid of fats is grossly, hopelessly deficient in just about everything a human being needs to thrive. Thus, the inevitable conclusion that we're meant to eat fat and meat.

            Get bent, vegetard, I know I'm not convincing you, and I'm not writing for your benefit. In fact, I hope you continue just as you are now.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              If this was true why don't doctors just prescribe a keto diet?
              You're trying to lean on science when the actual professionals don't recommend what you're saying.
              I'm sorry to say this buddy, but science doesn't belong to you. I bet you don't even have a degree or you're maybe you're a sham doctor grifter yourself and should lose your license.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Please read this, provided by a thoughtful anon

                https://i.imgur.com/now7XHs.jpeg

                Also, as it happens I've been talking to several healthcare providers recently about this. More and more of the younger generation of doctors understands those things, and they do, in fact, are starting to prescribe carb restriction to their patients. Of course, they deal with obese, fat, old slobs, so they feel they can't just tell them to stop eating carbs. The fatties would throw a fit and leave, lmao.

                But a lot of them know. Look up Paleomedicina Hungary. Hell, there's tons of that stuff on youtube these days. The consensus is slowly being eroded, but it'll take decades for it to shift.

                People generally don't change their minds. Societal and scientific opinions change as the people espousing old paradigms retire and die. It always was like this.

                The guy who figured out that hand washing prevented mothers literally dying during childbirth was ostracised, villified, shamed, and died in abject fricking poverty.

                At any rate, I am right, you are wrong. All the evidence points to that, all the mechanistic reasoning points to that, and I give not a single shit what the scientific consensus is.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randle_cycle

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Insulin resistance is a GOOD thing
              Kek. Dunning Kruger at its finest.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Let me clarify, for the absolute moronS among us. Insulin resistance does not exist, because it is a construct. There is no test measuring insulin resistance in the body, because there is no such thing in the human body. What there is, is a mechanism, evolved over BILLIONS OF FRICKING YEARS, that prevents the cells of our organism from being damaged by too much sugar. It's called glycation, and if bad enough it results in organ failure and death. That mechanism is a GOOD thing. Trying to "cure" insulin resistance by FORCING your cells to accept more and more fricking sugar when they clearly DONT WANT TO, like when people are given exogenous insulin in type 2 diabetes, is moronicLY FRICKING BAD FOR THEM, AND YOU. You fricking cretinous moron.

                The way to cure, yes I said cure, diabetes, which is a disease defined and characterised by too much glucose in the blood, is to STOP EATING FRICKING SUGAR. Your body will produce all the glucose it needs from protein and fat substrate, it does that already, even if you eat 600 grams of carbs a day, gluconeogenesis NEVER STOPS.

                If you stop eating carbs altogether, your cells will become more "insulin resistant", especially the skeletal muscles and whatnot. It's called adaptive glucose sparing, and is not pathological in the least.

                Your stubborn, moronic fixation on the concept of insulin resistance as a discreet pathological unit makes YOU the Dunning Kruger victim here, moron.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                post body

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              https://i.imgur.com/zTlkj9X.jpeg

              Let me clarify, for the absolute moronS among us. Insulin resistance does not exist, because it is a construct. There is no test measuring insulin resistance in the body, because there is no such thing in the human body. What there is, is a mechanism, evolved over BILLIONS OF FRICKING YEARS, that prevents the cells of our organism from being damaged by too much sugar. It's called glycation, and if bad enough it results in organ failure and death. That mechanism is a GOOD thing. Trying to "cure" insulin resistance by FORCING your cells to accept more and more fricking sugar when they clearly DONT WANT TO, like when people are given exogenous insulin in type 2 diabetes, is moronicLY FRICKING BAD FOR THEM, AND YOU. You fricking cretinous moron.

              The way to cure, yes I said cure, diabetes, which is a disease defined and characterised by too much glucose in the blood, is to STOP EATING FRICKING SUGAR. Your body will produce all the glucose it needs from protein and fat substrate, it does that already, even if you eat 600 grams of carbs a day, gluconeogenesis NEVER STOPS.

              If you stop eating carbs altogether, your cells will become more "insulin resistant", especially the skeletal muscles and whatnot. It's called adaptive glucose sparing, and is not pathological in the least.

              Your stubborn, moronic fixation on the concept of insulin resistance as a discreet pathological unit makes YOU the Dunning Kruger victim here, moron.

              >sources cited: zero(0)
              Anon, it's fine to be schizo but no one is going to take you seriously if all you're doing is posting your own unhinged ramblings.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                https://i.imgur.com/now7XHs.jpeg

                post body

                We know its you, moxyte

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You're making some extreme claims and it's entirely reasonable to ask for some kind of supporting evidence. Does this mean that you don't have any?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Oh it is, but you'd 100% ignore anything I posted. If you were sincere in your query, you could find sources to support, or indeed deny, everything I said here. You know why? Because science is corrupt and twisted, has been for decades.
                Watch some Bart Kay videos, idk.

                He's got a way of explaining it so the morons can't argue too much. There are others, like Anthony Chafey, Ken Berry, Shawn Baker, etc. It won't convince you, because its not a "source" in your moronic, academic sense, though some of those guys are currently working on organising just that, I even chipped in for a study that's about to go into effect soon.

                I know your kind, you want a paper stating exactly what the argument is, with no deviation, and even if I were to provide one, you would disregard it out of hand. Because you're INCAPABLE of reasoning on your fricking own. Jesus Christ, look into the shit I just told you, THINK about it. Why do you need a fricking study to spell shit out for you word for word? And yes, there are studies showing EXACTLY what I said, to the letter, but none of them have taken all of those disparate pieces of data and put them into a coherent whole- not least because thats not what studies DO, for fricks sake. All the shit I said about the Randle Cycle, adaptive glucose sparing? How gluconeogenesis doesn't really stop regardless of the diet? It's all a 5 second google search away. There's even studies I didn't mention, like isotope scoring of the human bones dated 50k years ago, showing CONCLUSIVELY that over 80% of what we ate back then was the meat of ruminant animals. But in your complete and utter destitution of intellectual honesty, you won't take that simple step- because you don't fricking care. You care not one whit about the truth, all you're hunting for is the dopamine hit of a "gotcha" moment, and you damned well know it.

                You disgust me, frankly.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Watch some Bart Kay videos, idk.
                and there it is I fricking knew you were a bart kay gay. He looks like a human sausage and he got bullied by nerds ffs. You're a moron.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                There it is.

                I reiterate, because I knew all along what sort of person you are. You disgust me. I hope you continue EXACTLY as you have.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                imagine typing this all out because you think bread is bad for you

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No, I typed it all out because it amused me to insult that moronic frickwit. I know I'm not convincing any vegetard reading this, it would be preposterous to try. But I got put on the right path by an anon in a thread just like this, some time ago, and there is a chance some undecided fella will read it and think "hmm, this does sound reasonable, I wonder if there's anything to it". You never know.

                Again, I don't want to convince vegans. Frick em.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Bart Kay
                >"I AM A SENIIIIIORRRR PROFESSOOORRR"
                Lmao You really need to be less gullible with believing YouTube daddies

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >latches onto the one guy he has beef with

                What about Chafey? Berry? Baker?

                Intellectual dishonesty. An absolute lack of a moral spine or compass. That's you. You are, and I mean that sincerely, a shitty person.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >chafey

                They are all grifters. Baker and Berry are too afraid to actually debate anybody.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                he "debated" that mental nutrivore antinatalist whacko and other vegans as well. Your need to misrepresent the other side is self defeating

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Link to debate?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous
              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I posted a live debate. What is misrepresented?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Baker
                Hes diabetic, lost his license for medical ethics violations and sells meat on his website.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Hes diabetic, lost his license for medical ethics violations and sells meat on his website.
                Did your youtube influencer tell you this, or did you divine it from the voices in your head?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >if I pretend its not real it isnt
                Hes open about all of it. Feel free to check his website.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                his Hemoglobin A1C would actually go down if he incorporated fruit. Long periods of time on keto/carnivore actually make you diabetic in a weird way, but easily reversible.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >his Hemoglobin A1C would actually go down if he incorporated fruit.
                Its irrelevant, because he doesnt
                >Long periods of time on keto/carnivore actually make you diabetic in a weird way
                Yes, hes diabetic. Idk what your point is

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Did your youtube influencer tell you this, or did you divine it from the voices in your head?
                >Proof of license retraction
                http://www.nmmb.state.nm.us/docs/board_actions/07-01-17%20thru%2009-30-17.pdf
                >proof of diabetes

                https://i.imgur.com/G3j7VA2.png

                >if I pretend its not real it isnt
                Hes open about all of it. Feel free to check his website.

                >Proof he sells meat
                https://carnivore.diet/deals-discounts

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I also see exercise equipment on there so obviously exercise is bad and nobody should do it anymore

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >man promotes diet he has a financial interest in seeing take off
                >some nonsense about workout equipment

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >mentally ill can't help but be dishonest
                Yawn

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Agreed. Baker is dishonest

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >but you'd 100% ignore anything I posted.
                I wouldn't if you posted actual evidence but youtube videos are not evidence. All you're doing by posting those is appealing to another schizo.

                >you want a paper stating exactly what the argument is
                I would accept even a single paper that comes anywhere close to claiming that
                >Insulin resistance is a GOOD thing

                You think I have "kind" because every time you post this kind of shit, people call you out for being moronic and you have no supporting evidence except some youtube nutrition bloggers who are literal nobodies with nothing backing their claims except the same kind of rambling nonsense you've been posting.

                >isotope scoring of the human bones dated 50k years ago, showing CONCLUSIVELY that over 80% of what we ate back then was the meat of ruminant animals
                Even stuff like this is pure bullshit that you have no real source for. Is that what we've come to, claiming that you have a bunch of sources that you're just too busy to post?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >you have no real source for

                And yet, those sources exist. They really, really do. And I know for a FACT you will not look them up. Because you do not care, you lazy, despicable, rotten, intellectually dishonest piece of human garbage.

                This culture of asking for "source" is going to die one day, you know. More and more people realise how much fricking bullshit it all is, to begin with. Also, I bet my bottom dollar you are incapable of reading a fricking paper anyway. Signal to noise ratios, hazard ratios, lmao conflict of interest statements, all that is just noise to people like you.

                I know, and you know why you ask for "SOURCE?!". Its because you're dumb. You're dumb and you cant debate ideas on their own merits, using your own wit and reason, so you aim to bog the discourse down in minutiae. You want your opponent to just shit out links to "studies", so you can nitpick wording, or whatever the frick, and never engage with the actual ideas directly.

                You. Disgust. Me. I mean that sincerely. Everything I wrote here was to insult you, specifically. Not convince you, in fact I hope I don't convince you, and you continue doing exactly what you've been doing up to this point.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >You're dumb and you cant debate ideas on their own merits, using your own wit and reason
                I'm sorry, how exactly is making references to

                https://i.imgur.com/zTlkj9X.jpeg

                Let me clarify, for the absolute moronS among us. Insulin resistance does not exist, because it is a construct. There is no test measuring insulin resistance in the body, because there is no such thing in the human body. What there is, is a mechanism, evolved over BILLIONS OF FRICKING YEARS, that prevents the cells of our organism from being damaged by too much sugar. It's called glycation, and if bad enough it results in organ failure and death. That mechanism is a GOOD thing. Trying to "cure" insulin resistance by FORCING your cells to accept more and more fricking sugar when they clearly DONT WANT TO, like when people are given exogenous insulin in type 2 diabetes, is moronicLY FRICKING BAD FOR THEM, AND YOU. You fricking cretinous moron.

                The way to cure, yes I said cure, diabetes, which is a disease defined and characterised by too much glucose in the blood, is to STOP EATING FRICKING SUGAR. Your body will produce all the glucose it needs from protein and fat substrate, it does that already, even if you eat 600 grams of carbs a day, gluconeogenesis NEVER STOPS.

                If you stop eating carbs altogether, your cells will become more "insulin resistant", especially the skeletal muscles and whatnot. It's called adaptive glucose sparing, and is not pathological in the least.

                Your stubborn, moronic fixation on the concept of insulin resistance as a discreet pathological unit makes YOU the Dunning Kruger victim here, moron.

                >a mechanism, evolved over BILLIONS OF FRICKING YEARS
                supposed to be "debating ideas on their own merits"? You're making wild appeals to scientific concepts but when asked for even the slightest shred of corroborating evidence, literally one other person on the entire planet who at any point in human history has published a paper even vaguely agreeing with you, you just start raging and slinging insults around?

                You want to debate based on pure reason? Ok, we can do that.

                Humans have extremely powerful taste receptors for sweetness. We love sugar, it tastes wonderful to us. A piece of fruit or a spoonful of honey need no preparation, no cooking, no seasoning. You can pluck a fruit from a tree and eat it on the spot and it will taste great.

                Why would this be the case if sugar is so bad for us? Can you name any other animal on that planet that is drawn to eat naturally-occurring foods that are toxic to it?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >you can pluck a fruit

                Yeah, lmao, from a modern fruit tree, bred over millennia to be sweeter than anything other than honey.

                The REASON why sugar tastes so good to us, you TARD, is because we had very little access to it. Honey was the extent of it, really. The fruit you know today did not exist just a couple hundred years ago, really. So, when we did pig out on sugar, it wasn't a problem, since it was such a rare occurance. That's why we never evolved satiety signalling for sugar, btw. It was never an issue in our evolutionary history, we can eat sugar until we fricking burst- we never had to limit our intake, our environment did it for us. Whereas when it comes to fat, we know EXACTLY when its time to stop eating- assuming we've had no carbohydrate during that same meal, of course. Mixing carbs with fats throws the whole machinery out of whack.

                Also, might I suggest you try heroin? I hear it feels WONDERFUL. I'm sure its good for you. Otherwise, our brains wouldn't have all those opioid receptors in them, yes?

                And yes, animals are drawn to modern human foods like MAD. And they get fat and sicken and die early of human diseases if given access to such food. Thats why there are signs "do not feed the animals" in zoos, you fricking moron. Because that stuff is just like heroin, both for animals and for us. Because its not something we're evolutionarily prepared for, and have no defence against.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >from a modern fruit tree, bred over millennia to be sweeter than anything other than honey.
                This is not an appeal to reason, it's an appeal to an incorrect understanding that I would be absolutely justified in requesting that you prove.

                I won't though, because I can instead appeal to reason: every other animal spends the bulk of its day foraging. Early humans would have done the same, just as modern frugivorous apes do: they spend many hours each day searching for and eating fruit. It doesn't matter that the fruits they eat are perhaps less dense than bred varieties because it just means that they spend more time eating. If a fruit 100,000 years ago had 20% of the sugar content of a modern fruit, it just means that we would spend 5x longer eating it.

                But this is nonsense regardless, as anyone who's eaten a wild blueberry can attest. They're perfectly sweet and succulent and you can easily gather a massive amount of them and at no point were they bred by humans.

                >when we did pig out on sugar, it wasn't a problem, since it was such a rare occurance.
                >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadza_people#Honey
                >Honey represents a substantial portion of the Hadza diet (~10-20% of calories), which is similar to many other hunter-gatherer societies living in the tropics. Honey likely carried an evolutionary advantage via an improvement in the energy density of the human diet when it contained bee products.

                Is heroin a natural product? I thought we were talking about why we have an affinity for naturally occurring sugars, not making false comparisons to modern synthetic drugs. Surely you didn't talk all that shit about logic and reason just to turn out to be another disingenuous israelite, did you...?

                >And yes, animals are drawn to modern human foods
                Which is why I specifically said

                >You're dumb and you cant debate ideas on their own merits, using your own wit and reason
                I'm sorry, how exactly is making references to
                [...]
                >a mechanism, evolved over BILLIONS OF FRICKING YEARS
                supposed to be "debating ideas on their own merits"? You're making wild appeals to scientific concepts but when asked for even the slightest shred of corroborating evidence, literally one other person on the entire planet who at any point in human history has published a paper even vaguely agreeing with you, you just start raging and slinging insults around?

                You want to debate based on pure reason? Ok, we can do that.

                Humans have extremely powerful taste receptors for sweetness. We love sugar, it tastes wonderful to us. A piece of fruit or a spoonful of honey need no preparation, no cooking, no seasoning. You can pluck a fruit from a tree and eat it on the spot and it will taste great.

                Why would this be the case if sugar is so bad for us? Can you name any other animal on that planet that is drawn to eat naturally-occurring foods that are toxic to it?

                >naturally-occurring foods
                So I guess that's a yes, you talk a big game but when it comes down to it you fall back on the same dishonest debate tactics as everyone else here.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Not that anon, but heroin is just concentrated poppy bulb sap...
                Humans have used this for millennia

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Whereas when it comes to fat, we know EXACTLY when its time to stop eating

                >A report from the New York medical examiner's office leaked a year after his death said that Atkins had a history of heart attack, congestive heart failure and hypertension, and that at the time of his death he weighed 258 pounds
                interesting...

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Humans have extremely powerful taste receptors for sweetness.
                That's so babies nurse. You know lactose is a sugar, right? dumb Black person.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >And yet, those sources exist. They really, really do. And I know for a FACT
                Anyone who makes a claim owes proof. Youve not posted any sources you claim exist, so your point can be ignored

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Anon its just moxyte spazzing out again. But lets assume you are talking with other people thinking this way. Its 100% mental illness. Yes they are going to ignore pretty much everything you say and make nonsensical arguments. They worship kelloggs funded "science". See the constant appeal to authority. This is slave mentality.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I even chipped in for a study that's about to go into effect soon.
                lol you gullible idiot, ketoduped has a post about how that Shawn Bakers patreon funding goes straight into his own Company and theyve been saying studies start “soon” for like 3 years. wouldn’t hold my breath about it lol

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >is the ketoschizo in the room with us now?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        how come ppl like you are posting advice on IST

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I've never known anyone super lean on keto, they're all fat and remain fat and then drop the diet soon

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >6'2 150lbs
        Unironically do you even lift?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >hunter gatherers ate 5% meat
      >source? Oh yeah some protestant guy that thought having healthy libido from eating meat was satanic

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >gets heart attack from red meat

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    RECEIVED AND UNDERSTOOD

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      looks like absolute trash. what a cringe fricking homosexual

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/6m7WOdC.jpeg

      Imagine taking the dietary advice of anyone who looks like this. It's just asking to be a DYEL. It's a real shame.

      https://i.imgur.com/63okX3E.jpeg

      roger that.

      His problem was that he ate too much pork (fed large amounts of basedbean meal) and barbequed meat while not periodizing his diet around his training as Vince instructs. It would have helped to for him to get tested for a genetic predisposition arterial plaque as well. Alas, the 36 egg per day diet is still the best bulking diet in the world.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      yikes. hard to take veganism seriously with such poster children

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I like some of mobys songs
      what the frick does he know about nutrion

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        To be fair he's clearly not doing it for the nutrition, he says specifi"vegan for the animals" which you know, is still a contentious view but more understandable than vegan nutritionists.
        I'm not a vegan but I do feel bad about animal welfare, so I try to buy free range, local or in the case of beef, grass fed animal products. Some of the products that market themselves as such are still scummy or just barely skirt by definitions but still.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          good point

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      look at that swollen israelite belly

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Pretty sure Gregor is anti seed oil

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i like people telling me they are vegan that gives me already all the information i need to avoid them

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Vegans are so ugly and weak

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I eat meat to have energy to have sex non stop

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What's up with the colour of her hands? Are you fricking a corpse?

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Guys,i think i made a big breakthrough,i invented something called the "omnivorous doet" where you eat plant based foods,fruits but also animal products like eggs,milk and meat.

    How da frick do I MARKET THIS?

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I am eating chicken liver rn

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      based. my favorite liver. especially with onion, apples and boiled potatoes. plus glas of cold milk. tastes like heaven.

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    hehe. Get a load of this slave who eats man-made bird feed. hehe

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Frick off

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No one on this site has the slightest clue what they're talking about, especially on this board. If you see someone giving dietary advice on this board, they are wrong 9/10 times. Do your own research - actual research, as in learning about the body, learning about traditional diets, learning about pre-Neolithic diets, learning to read and interpret research papers and reading a LOT of them. Start with older papers, stuff from the 1940s and 1950s, and remember that when it comes to nutrition research, the newer the study, the more likely it was to have been bought and paid for by one special interest group or another.

    EVERY angle has shills falsifying research. Yes that means the vegans, keto, low carb, high carb, the Mediterranean diet, the Asian diet, meat, grains, fruit, dairy, whatever. Literally every industry is paying for studies that make their products look good and it's up to you to figure out the truth because your favorite blogger is paid for too.

    Especially do not listen to anyone who replies to me accusing me of having an opinion contrary to their own.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >EVERY angle has shills falsifying research
      Whats the evidence for that? Oh right just schizo shit you made up.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I can see that you haven't ever tried to do your own research because if you had, you would regularly see researchers disclosing their funding.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          ok post one (1)

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Post one what, one industry funded study? That's setting the bar a bit low, isn't it? Here, I'll do better:

            >https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4938679/
            >It is well known, of course, that studies with industry funding are more likely to have results favourable to sponsors than those without contributions from the private sector. This has been shown in many reviews of scientific literature. The correlation appears particularly strong for research with ties to food companies. Marion Nestle, author of Food Politics and the Paulette Goddard Professor in the Department of Nutrition, Food Studies and Public Health at New York University, has been informally tracking studies with connections to the food industry for more than a year. Of the 168 studies she came across between March 2015 and March 2016, only 12 had results unfavourable to a sponsor’s interest. In other words, the success rate was 93%.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              1.Thats not a study.
              2. All that says is that studies can be biased to get favorable results. Which yes does happen. Doesn't mean the numbers are "falsified"

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >One study funded by Dairy Farmers of Canada and conducted by researchers at Brock University is examining the role of dairy products in weight management for teenage girls. In an email to CMAJ, Andrea Josse, assistant professor of kinesiology and one of the researchers, said there are no conditions attached to the funding. Josse noted that Dairy Farmers of Canada did not design or commission the study, and her team is free to publish the results, however they turn out, in the journal of their choosing.
              >no conditions attached to the funding
              >no conditions
              Literally from the "research paper" you posted. kys moron

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >researchers being paid by corporations to do research on the products of that corporation claim that their results are not influenced by the corporation funding their research
                wow, incredible
                i'm convinced

                1.Thats not a study.
                2. All that says is that studies can be biased to get favorable results. Which yes does happen. Doesn't mean the numbers are "falsified"

                >1.Thats not a study.
                What product would you like to see a study for? Meat? Dairy? Sugar? You name it and I'll show it to you.

                I thought medieval peasants ate whole grain bread because the finely ground stuff was reserved for nobility.

                They did but they also let the grain sit around for at least a few days after harvesting it which gave it time to begin to sprout which is an absolutely essential part of treating what to make it edible. The fact that none of the replies seething at me understood this point should tell you all you need to know about the level of education on this board.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >still seething
                >still schizo
                >still fat
                >still stupid
                post body

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >post body
                Ahh, the last resort of the moron with no rebuttal. I accept your concession.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                dude you're an idiotic schizo that thinks 50+ years of data is all corrupt because some companies pay scientists to perform studies on food.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                He doesn't even get the irony of posting on his phone when he thinks science doesn't work.
                If science didn't work nothing would. Enjoy your fat and rain dance.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Nta, but food/nutrition studies being disrupted by paying corporations had nothing to do with scientific progress.

                You have to be a brainlet to think smartphones existing somehow invalidates any criticisms of research which is dubious at best. DURRRR DONT QUESTION SCIENCE EVER. Even though questioning things is what the scientific model is based on.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm gonna direct you both to the following since you're both guilty of it:
                >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strawman
                >A straw man fallacy (sometimes written as strawman) is the informal fallacy of refuting an argument different from the one actually under discussion, while not recognizing or acknowledging the distinction.[1] One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man".

                >50+ years of data is all corrupt
                I said no such thing but thank you for letting everyone know that you can't respond to me without resorting to lies. I simply said that more recent studies are more likely to have been funded by a special interest, which is absolutely true:

                No one on this site has the slightest clue what they're talking about, especially on this board. If you see someone giving dietary advice on this board, they are wrong 9/10 times. Do your own research - actual research, as in learning about the body, learning about traditional diets, learning about pre-Neolithic diets, learning to read and interpret research papers and reading a LOT of them. Start with older papers, stuff from the 1940s and 1950s, and remember that when it comes to nutrition research, the newer the study, the more likely it was to have been bought and paid for by one special interest group or another.

                EVERY angle has shills falsifying research. Yes that means the vegans, keto, low carb, high carb, the Mediterranean diet, the Asian diet, meat, grains, fruit, dairy, whatever. Literally every industry is paying for studies that make their products look good and it's up to you to figure out the truth because your favorite blogger is paid for too.

                Especially do not listen to anyone who replies to me accusing me of having an opinion contrary to their own.

                >the newer the study, the more likely it was to have been bought and paid for

                >t's a google search away you lazy sack of shit
                You're the one making the claim

                Okay so the reason supplements are bad because you could possibly overdose if you're moronic. Great argument.

                >because you could possibly overdose if you're moronic.
                And I'll thank you as well for resorting to lies instead of honest debate. If you'd read even the excerpts I'd posted, you might have noticed the following:
                >Vitamin A palmitate is fat soluble and remains stored in the body’s fatty tissues. For this reason, it can build up to too-high levels
                You "overdose" on synthetic vitamin A simply by eating it regularly. It bioaccumulates and sooner or later, you begin to suffer symptoms of overdose. These can be mild to moderate and you may have various unexplained minor health problems that are being caused by a gradual overdose of synthetic vitamins, especially if you regularly eat slop like breakfast cereals.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >You "overdose" on synthetic vitamin A simply by eating it regularly. It bioaccumulates and sooner or later, you begin to suffer symptoms of overdose. These can be mild to moderate and you may have various unexplained minor health problems that are being caused by a gradual overdose of synthetic vitamins, especially if you regularly eat slop like breakfast cereals.

                Cool do you have any human outcome data showing this happening? Vitamin A is fortified in a lot of stuff so it should be pretty common and easy to find data!

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Vitamin A is fortified in a lot of stuff so it should be pretty common and easy to find data!
                Indeed it should. You seem a bit behind the times, so let me teach you about a helpful tool: it's thing this called a "search engine". There is a lot of information on the "internet" and search engines can be a helpful way to narrow it down when you're looking for something specific.

                In your case, we would first navigate to a site like google.com. There, in the "search bar", we would type some phrases relevant to the information we're looking for. In this case, we'll type
                >overdose vitamin a fortified foods
                The search engine will then return results containing those phrases, which might include studies like the following:

                >https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12963949/
                >Given recent epidemiologic evidence that suggests a link between chronic intakes of vitamin A that exceed the RDA and hip fractures, it may be time to reexamine food and supplement fortification policies

                >https://static.ewg.org/reports/2014/children_at_risk/pdf/too_much_of_a_good_thing.pdf
                >With widespread vitamin A-fortified food and increasing use of dietary supplements, however, many Americans, especially younger children, have the opposite problem: consuming more vitamin A than the Institute of Medicine considers safe (IOM 2001; IOM 2003; IOM 2005; ODS 2013a)
                >Taking into account both supplement users and non-users, EWG calculated that more than 10 million American children are getting too much vitamin A; more than 13 million get too much zinc; and nearly 5 million get too much niacin

                Give it a try!

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So you admit you just googled something real quick without actually reading what you're posting. Don't worry I'll read it for you. The elderly were taking two multi-vitamins. Which is overdosing multivitamins. Which I mention:

                >t's a google search away you lazy sack of shit
                You're the one making the claim

                Okay so the reason supplements are bad because you could possibly overdose if you're moronic. Great argument.

                The reason the "fortified foods" were bad was because:
                > "With fortification comes the possibility of error. Although such errors may be rare the recent recall of a brand of diet and energy bars that were manufactured form December 25 2000 through may 4 2001 is an example of the magnitude of error that can occur"

                So it's saying food could "accidentally" be overdosed. None of this answers what I asked about human outcome data showing humans who eat a normal amount of fortified foods "build up" vitamin A to the point where toxicity happens.

                The other article is simply speculation that they "could" be eating too much vitamin A. And is only in children. Also
                >The study found that from food alone, including naturally occurring and fortified sources
                So why are you shitting only on supplements if they aren't even the problem?

                Overall you have yet to show any evidence that supplementing Vitamin A is bad. Just that you could "theoretically" be getting too much. In which case, just pay attention to how much you intake. wow mind blowing.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >So you admit you just googled
                Did you expect that I would have some repository of hundreds of prepared links ready for any time I want to have a IST debate? No, I don't have links memorized for something as basic and common sense as
                >synthetic vitamins are not good for you and are not substitutes for the real thing
                If you're this desperate to keep poisoning yourself then by all means, go ahead. I'm not here to convince you and I'm certainly not here to play the usual game of endlessly moving goalposts.

                Go eat your breakfast cereal of whole grains covered in synthetic vitamins. I'm sure it's really healthy.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm telling you homie, the reason those people ask for source is not any intellectual curiosity on their part, its a debating tactic for fricking morons. I disregard anyone asking for source, or if I'm in the mood I insult them terribly. They deserve nothing more.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >You expect me to have sources for the bullshit I post?
                Yes
                >I'm not here to convince you and I'm certainly not here to play the usual game of endlessly moving goalposts.
                I literally just want evidence that supplements are bad for you. All you have said is you could possibly overdose, which yeah I can grant. But taking a single multivitamin and some fortified foods throughout the day won't lead to overdosing.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >But taking a single multivitamin and some fortified foods throughout the day won't lead to overdosing.
                What part of

                >You're just going by what you "feel" is right
                >They also died in their 30's and 40's and barely survived out of childhood.
                Delicious irony.

                >Where is the human evidence
                It's a google search away you lazy sack of shit. I don't know why I bother educating you people when you're too worthless to take a couple steps on your own.
                >https://www.healthline.com/health/vitamin-a-palmitate#side-effects-and-risks
                >Vitamin A palmitate is fat soluble and remains stored in the body’s fatty tissues. For this reason, it can build up to too-high levels, causing toxicity and liver disease. This is more likely to occur from supplement use than from food.
                >Vitamin A supplements in too-high doses have been linked to birth defects, including malformations of the eyes, lungs, skull, and heart. Regular high doses of vitamin A can cause depression, dry skin, and painful muscles and joints.

                >https://www.ewg.org/sunscreen/the-problem-with-vitamin-a/
                >Too much preformed vitamin A, including retinol, retinyl palmitate, retinyl acetate and retinyl linoleate, can cause a variety of health problems, including liver damage, brittle nails, hair loss, and osteoporosis and hip fractures in older adults.

                Your body has a variety of mechanisms for balancing micronutrient intake and storage but those mechanisms are built around natural sources of vitamins, not synthetic ones, which can and do bypass your body's balancing mechanisms.

                >Vitamin A palmitate is fat soluble and remains stored in the body’s fatty tissues. For this reason, it can build up to too-high levels, causing toxicity and liver disease. This is more likely to occur from supplement use than from food.
                do you not understand? You realize that this is literally what you're asking for, and when you respond to this by misrepresenting the claim

                >t's a google search away you lazy sack of shit
                You're the one making the claim

                Okay so the reason supplements are bad because you could possibly overdose if you're moronic. Great argument.

                and then moving the goalpost to

                >You "overdose" on synthetic vitamin A simply by eating it regularly. It bioaccumulates and sooner or later, you begin to suffer symptoms of overdose. These can be mild to moderate and you may have various unexplained minor health problems that are being caused by a gradual overdose of synthetic vitamins, especially if you regularly eat slop like breakfast cereals.

                Cool do you have any human outcome data showing this happening? Vitamin A is fortified in a lot of stuff so it should be pretty common and easy to find data!

                >do you have any human outcome data
                then you're being aggressively dishonest. I don't know if you're doing this on purpose or if you've just been trained to argue like a israelite by spending too much time on IST but if you
                >just want evidence that supplements are bad for you
                then that was it, posted like an hour ago, and all you've been doing since is playing semantic games.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So you don't have any evidence. That what I thought. Could have saved me time by just saying that.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You evidence was in my first post and pretending it's not there won't make it go anyway. Thanks for trying, though.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >"vitamins are bad for you"
                Why?
                >"because you can overdose"
                Okay I just won't overdose like a moron
                >"it doesn't matter, it stays in your body and it will build up end up overdosing eventually"
                Okay can you prove that? Surely with how many people consume supplements/fortified foods it would be a widespread issue
                >"WOW WAY TO MOVE THE GOAL POSTS I ALREADY PROVIDED EVIDENCE CAN YOU PLEASE JUST GOOGLE IT YOURSELF?"

                What are the numbers of people getting Hypervitaminosis from vitamin A every year? How many of those were from over supplementation? How many were just consuming fortified foods? Like Jesus man give me SOMETHING than stupid mechanistic speculation.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >which gave it time to begin to sprout which is an absolutely essential part of treating what to make it edible
                I'm interested, tell me more. Why does sprouting improve the quality?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Seeds are grown with the intent that they grow into new plants and they have evolved a wide variety of chemical defenses in order to protect them from insects and fungi and bacteria until they can do so. Many of these have a dual function as both defense mechanisms and energy stores. When a seed begins to sprout, these defensive energy stores begin to be consumed as fuel for the new plant.

                From a health perspective, most of these substances are damaging to our bodies, especially if eaten in large amounts - say, multiple servings of bread each day. Wheat that's begun to sprout has significantly lower amounts of these damaging substances. It's not a big deal if you only eat it occasionally but if you're eating grains every day, you're damaging your body over the long run if that grain isn't sprouted. Literally every pre-modern society that ate a grain as a staple food had a process for preparing it for consumption, like the examples I mentioned here

                >You sound like a women just appealing to their emotions.
                I'm appealing to intelligence and common sense but IST tends to lack both.

                >Who cares if we never ate it?
                Pre-modern people could point you to any of hundreds of plants in their region and tell you the exact properties of each one. Native Americans did not spend days of effort preparing acorns for eating if it would have been find to just roast them and eat them. Mesoamericans would not have invested the time and effort in developing the nixtamalization process if untreated corn was a healthy food.

                >Why is adding vitamins to foods bad?
                Because synthetic vitamins are not equivalent to real vitamins. As an example, that cereal box lists "Vitamin A Palmitate". Go ahead and compare the formulas:
                >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_a_palmitate
                >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_A
                Your body needs actual vitamin A, not a synthetic ester of retinol and palmitic acid. Stop being a homosexual and eat real food.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Interesting, did not know that. I don't eat bread that often but I'll have to keep that in mind.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          All research is funded. You think scientist and participants work for free? What is the evidence that PEER REVIEWED research is falsified?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous
  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nah, just had a can of deenz and some raw cheese

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The problem with vegan vs carnivore is the fitness industry promoting unhealthy exercise. The more you lift, the more you grow, and the more food and energy you need to keep getting bigger. The healthiest was to get energy is animal products, but we cook meat today and it's expensive. So it isn't practical to go full carnivore. Carbs is the next best thing but most overeat and some are genetically prone to diabetes. Carbs can get you through a workout but they're never healthy. Ever. Getting bigger isn't always healthy either.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There isn’t any evidence for meat being healthy just like there isn’t any evidence for complex carbohydrates being unhealthy. You live in some weird opposite world

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        So what do you think you would eat if you were walking around 10,000 years ago? All the fruit and vegetables you find in stores aren't even real.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That isn’t even remotely addressing the fact that There isn’t any evidence for meat being healthy just like there isn’t any evidence for complex carbohydrates being unhealthy. How many dumb talking points can you come up with to dodge that simple fact, greentext them all to save some time, you can’t and won’t even try to prove that core fact wrong.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            This doesn't address the fact that there isn't any evidence that meat is unhealthy and that carbs are healthy. You just dodge and deflect over and over. Then post something anecdotal or spout some nonsense you think is true and scientific but that is clearly not, and again, without hard evidence.

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I eat my tofu with copious fish sauce and cheese.

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You don't get it, doc. I'm a millennial. I must be fed a strict diet consisting of ASS
    BUMHOLES
    YUMMY ANUSES

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Just imagine this guy is happily living his life eating fruits and vegetables, and here you are sperging out against him.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He looks like shit.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Why do you care so much

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I don't. I'm here to shitpost.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Why do you care if I care about purveyors of misinformation?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >won't answer the question
            Typical

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >no u
              concession accepted

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Because I hate israeli israelites trying to make people unhealthy.

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't listen to israelites.

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I already said I got it.
    You tried posting studies without reading them that explicitly said that rhubarb leaves are a legitimate poison and then you started to backtrack and use bad logic to convince me that all plants are bad. Just stop. You got conned into a fad diet by YouTubers. And now you're just googling random stuff and copying pasting it. It's really sad.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Oxalic acid is the poison in many vegetables, including rhubarb, spinach and chard.
      Eating a diet that attempts to subside and grains over a long enough period of time will result in an accumulation of oxalate crystals in the body.
      Do you know how many mg of oxalic acid the human body can process and secrete in a 24 hour period?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I never said all plants are bad, I said certain plants are bad. I even outlined the very specific poison in those plants that I believe are bad based on real cases of people becoming sick from consuming them. I literally eat plants you fricking stupid Black person.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Great. I'll never eat abject poison like rhubarb. I'll eat the plants everyone has for eons before fad diet grifters on YouTube told me a veggie would poison me.

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i just want to be a bodybuilder without hurting animals bros

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Then fricking die. You're already hurting animals by breathing, you're stealing their precious air.

      I can help you to fricking die, you weak subhuman waste. You wouldn't build any muscle anyway, fricking waste of time. You have hormones of a woman.

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