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  1. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    no

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      I don’t think I will also steppenwolf was mid tbh

      >afraid of the most abundant natural food source on the planet
      Shalom!

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >afraid of the most abundant natural food source on the planet
        False. The most abundant natural food source for humans is meat.
        Tell me where in nature you'll find granulated sugar.
        >b-but muh fruits
        calorie density of meat > calorie density of fruits

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >therefore, I will consoom only meat

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            He eats tons of sugar through honey and fruit juices

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              real honey is great

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            As much as my budget allows. Rice and beans, maybe in season fruit when it's cheap too

  2. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    girl scout cookies and ice cream

  3. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    for me it's ecological local honey

  4. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    earl grey tea with milk and 2 sugars please

  5. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >ate sugar
    >didn't die
    >didn't catch the dread beetus
    What does this mean?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      that sugar doesn't cause beetus. those fruitarians on their deathbeds have a frickton of deficiencies yet they don't get beetus despite the high sugar consumption

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        what if ... HFCS caused beetus, not actual sugar O.o

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          hfcs doesn't really cause beetus either, though i still avoid that shit because there were lots of reports of hfcs and hfcs added products being contaminated with a worrying level of lead and mercury a few years ago and it got memory holed somehow

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          theres more fructose in fruits than in hfcs

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        beetus is caused by mixing fat and carbs in the diet. Restricting one macro reverses the beetus entirely.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >beetus is caused by mixing fat and carbs in the diet.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Are you saying keto doesn't normalize blood sugar?

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              homie how the frick is a diet you can't be on safely for more than a few months gonna normalize anything

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                People have been on keto (carnivore) for decades years and are more than fine. Fricking moron

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Except they do. Tons of vegans become pre-diabetic or diabetic. It's why they came up with the "fat causes diabetes" propaganda because the harms of modern carbohydrate consumption are a direct indictment of all plant based diets.

        It's also why the vegan shills here specifically go after "keto", not anything else. Because their goal is to attack critics of modern carb consumption.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Vegans have the lowest rates of diabetes in the US

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            A person who is willing to dedicate enough time and energy to become a vegan is generally more interested in his health than your average goyslop eating fat wagie moron

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              > A person who is willing to dedicate enough time and energy to become a vegan is generally more interested in his health than your average goyslop eating fat wagie moron
              That’s only true for a portion of the vegan population.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Veganism isn't the norm in the western world and the type of people who gravitate towards it aren't a randomized group

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                > Veganism isn't the norm in the western world and the type of people who gravitate towards it aren't a randomized group
                One does it for ethical reasons, the other for health. The former is a fine analog for the general population, the latter is not. In any case, the reason why you are having trouble reconciling this is because I believe your understanding of the causes of diabetes are not properly informed. Most type 2 diabetes is caused by improper storage of fat in tissues that are not well suited for fat storage, and this generally happens when people have maxed out their other fat storage locations, and that can very from population to populations. East asians develop type 2 diabetes earlier than Caucasian populations for these reasons.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                I don't think you understand the importance of randomized control groups. You're being dismissive of the importance of proper methodology because it's convenient for defending your opinion in this context

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              correct, which is why culturally vegetarian/vegan societies have shit health
              see; pajeetland

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Pajeets literally drink liquid butter as a meal.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              That's simply not true. It's more of a religious thing to them. Every vegan I know just checks if it has the V tick and if so they shovel it down and tell themselves it's healthy. Very few vegans are actual herbivores, people aren't wrong when they meme that it's the sneed oil diet

  6. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I don’t think I will also steppenwolf was mid tbh

  7. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'm so confused, some ~~*Youtubers*~~ I've followed have gone from vegan, to keto, to carnivore, now they promote high sugar low protein

    And they are seemingly not dumb

    what gives? Is Ray Peat unironically correct?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      peat is where all the meme dieters finally end up due to their health complications

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >high sugar low protein
      Fricking how do you get to there?
      Animals were far more available than crops pre agricultural revolution so the natural course is closer to low carb high fat where they ate every part of the animal for nutrients but also had the metabolic system to survive scarcity. High carb, low protein goes against everything.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        getting tired of this stupid paleo larpgay pseudoscience

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        dude high carb is where it's at. fat is poison

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >fat is poison
          nope

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous
            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              dumbfrick cultist, i've been on both extremes and they were genuinely the worst periods of my life, why don't you just continue bickering with ketards on whose dogshit diet is the least bad

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          true. it is cancerous and atherosclerious. bad for performance too. protein is controversial one. it increases growth factors making ine age faster and increasing cancer risk. on the other hand muscle strength brain power and skin texture need it to be at highest level. short term lowering protein will make you look older but it will slow down decline markedly. people from blue zones are all starch. original hunter gatheders were starch and lean protein.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Stop talking to yourself, you fricking homosexual.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            >evidence: my rank speculation

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              It's propaganda from guys named Dan Buettner and John McDougall. Evil and crazy individuals to the core.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >adaptations to dietary conditions magically stopped at the onset of the agricultural revolution.
        ninny. Enjoying my Japanese sweet potatoes and a glass of orange juice rn.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          We don't change that quickly. Ketosis was literally a norm pre industrial revolution too. Every notable religion practiced fasting.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Ketosis was literally a norm pre industrial revolution too

            It literally was not you fricking moron

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              It was.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                It was not.

                Pre-agricultural revolution? perhaps intermittently

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                People always practiced ritualised periods without any food they were going keto every holiday.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Your cavemen ancestors ate what they could get their hands on, not what was optimal. Primitive humans also value honey and ripe fruit above all other foods. Just because your great grandfather ate dirt you shouldn't assume dirt is a good food. Cultures have a serious issue with consuming inedible stuff out of habit. Vegetable oils for instance, they are inedible but we eat them, and we will never evolve to be able to make good nutritional use of it since it is innately bad.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          I see your point. But keto has really been working for me far better than any other diet and avoiding carbs and being an almost carnivore seens to be the only viable path to avoiding goyslop and chemicals these days. Like I heard gluten wasn't a thing until this century and my family is coeliac so this whole time there's been this poison and it was artificially made. Keto I recc not just for nutrition but also for natural order (which is why i keep a small eating windiw because we used to just go asleep when it got dark instead of stay up and eat more with lights) Establishment wants no meat, high carb, tricking people into being scared of the healthy fats. Everyone being at least slightly diabetic, Keto is the opposite of all of that.
          Also we need protein to not be minimised for our muscles which take up a
          huge part of our body mass. Everything about whichever or whatever causes cancer can be rectified with lifestyle choices that prevent or help fight cancer such as fasting and ketosis.
          >Vegetable oils for instance, they are inedible but we eat them, and we will never evolve to be able to make good nutritional use of it since it is innately bad.
          So why is our sugar an exception to my understanding?

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            see you on raypeatforum.com

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              the best health resource on the internet fr

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                half the forum is schizos and the other half is soccer moms

                all the theorizing is also useless because we're talking the most complex system we know of, the only use for it is anecdotal. most people go deep into powerful supplements too which is something I don't want to frick with

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Like I heard gluten wasn't a thing until this century
            lol
            lmao

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              Forgive my moronation, that was a dumb claim. I should say it wasn't always an issue even befire identification of coeliac.
              I know that it wasn't as concentrated in flour for centuries. I know that many major brand products decades ago didn't have it and now they do. I know that's it's been deliberately propagated within the grain and baked goods industries supoosedly for it's baking qualities despite practically every human having some sort of sensituvity to gluten. I know that even producrs which shouldn't have any reason to contain gluten will most likely have some trace of it due to cross contamination. Grains and crops in general have deteriorated with the traces of chemicals and metals from pesticides, artificial soil, artificial fertilizer, the genetic modification process habituating them to these methods making it much harder and expensive to eat safer grains. Our wheat is whack, our rice, barley, corn, etc nearly no ceteal is safe. My family might've been able to get by a lot easier even with their ceoliac disease (which is just a natural immune response oversensitised)

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                It wasn't as concentrated in flour for centuries because for centuries we have been eating highly refined flour - the whiter and more refined the flour, the more the protein (gluten) containing bran has been removed.
                Wholewheat = high gluten

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >gone from vegan, to keto, to carnivore
      >seemingly not dumb

  8. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    i will.

  9. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    It is not enough to eat sugar. First and foremost you must stop sneeding.

  10. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    how is sugar good for yout, thought the based thing to do was to avoid sugar, it gives me acne too, redpill me on the sugar israelite

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      http://raypeat.com/articles/
      haidut.me

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        I ain't reading all that shit homie,

  11. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    tried his meme diet and gained 4kg in 3 days. Never again.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >was told to drink OJ and milk
      >ate Reeces Pieces and ice cream

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      i've been on it since october and have gained probably like 3% bodyfat at most. Still have abs

      >fat is poison
      nope

      fat literally causes diabetes while ketoschizos still blame sugar, bears are diabetic during hibernation because they are fasting, they break the fast by eating high-sugar honey after which their metabolic illness is reversed

      tl,dr: High sugar, moderate fat, high protein, avoid PUFA

      The coffee and asprin and all the rest of the supplement shit is just for orthorexic autists.

      i think the peat community is too leanient on saturated fat, while it's not as bad as PUFAs, it will still pair with the high carb to make you obese. high sugar, medium protein and low fat is where its at. aspirin is based and cheap as frick there's no reason to not take it (though it might frick with gains)

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        what do you eat typically?

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          well im not actually technically on an RP diet anymore since i eat a frickton of starch (wheat) nowadays, which is generally prohibited on the RP diet, but i tolerate it well. on the RP diet (which i did for about 5 months) i ate mostly greek yoghurt, sugar and powdered gelatin which i ordered from germany at around 20€/kg (which is pretty good for pure protein), about 3-5 eggs a day, some meat, fruits, fried fruits, carrots and a couple of other things but those were the staples. I ate probably almost 2000 calories of sugar a day. I took a multivitamin but I don't know how vital that is, I never felt unwell even when I didn't take it. Oh and eggshells are based. Nowadays I eat everything but PUFAs and super processed food , but honeslty I think you could probably eat just about anything and be fine

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            did you use coconut oil or vitamin e daily?

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >it will still pair with the high carb to make you obese
        well of course, context matters when we're talking about dietary fats. if you're a sedentary couch potato then it's better to limit fat intake, the reason why people got fat initially is because they think that peat approved foods are magically anti obesogenic so they binge the shit out of ice creams, cokes, cheese and custard. If you're lifting and however, then this

        tl,dr: High sugar, moderate fat, high protein, avoid PUFA

        The coffee and asprin and all the rest of the supplement shit is just for orthorexic autists.

        macro is better, at least for me, skimming too much fat while being active just makes me feel lethargic and tired all the time despite the high sugar intake, i still limit the cap on fat to 100 grs though

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          honeslty probably calories are the biggest factor but memedieters cant accept it. if you can eat high carb and medium fat, go for it, but i dont want to take the risk, i function fine on low fat

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            >probably calories are the biggest factor but memedieters cant accept it.
            true, i ended up going full circle
            >if you can eat high carb and medium fat
            i eat around 2500 kcals and i'd usually be satiated at around 80-ish so i end up pretty low fat, i've been on both side of macro autism (<10 gr of carbs and <15 gr of fat) and the craving and binging were like nothing else, that's why i'm so hostile to both ketards and vlf shills

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        bears are fat morons, I ate sugar after getting out of ketosis and I had the craziest cravings and binge eatings I ever had and gained 5 kilos in a week, if you go out of ketosis you should eat complex carbs with low glycemic index, and start with small portions and add more gradually every day

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >bears are fat morons
          Thank you, I'm so tired of the bear simps on here.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            yea morons here reduce themseleves to irrational animals in the wild with food scarcity, oh wow this moronic animal did something moronic I should do it too

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >eat carbs
          >gains 5 kilos in a week
          Sigh. Ketogays tripping themselves over water weight again.
          1 lb of glycogen stores like 5lbs of water.
          That's all there is too it.
          Water weight swings back and forth +/- 5-15lb depending on glycogen stores.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Imagine actually thinking people on keto have no glycogen.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              Imagine actually thinking that they store as much as people eating carbs.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >bears are diabetic during hibernation because they are fasting
        This is so insane and contrary to reality that it has to be a joke.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          its really not, PUFAs in particular are very powerful causal agents in insulin resistance, saturated fat to a lesser extent.
          https://diabetesjournals.org/diabetes/article/71/Supplement_1/226-OR/146748/226-OR-Reduced-Fatty-Acid-Oxidation-Prevents

          And it all makes sense: if you are running on fat, why would you need to get sugar into the cell? No need for insulin. It's not exactly insulin resistance in the same way that morphine causes morphine resistance, but is rather the body not knowing how to use insulin. Fat causing diabetes is well known in biochemistry, but apparently not in keto circles

          bears are fat morons, I ate sugar after getting out of ketosis and I had the craziest cravings and binge eatings I ever had and gained 5 kilos in a week, if you go out of ketosis you should eat complex carbs with low glycemic index, and start with small portions and add more gradually every day

          i was much hungrier on keto
          > should eat complex carbs with low glycemic index
          starch has a higher glycemic index than sucrose, is cleaved off into pure glucose extremely quickly, and the fructose in sucrose helps keep blood sugar stable. you really think nature made bears "fat morons"?

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Fat causing diabetes is well known in biochemistry
            nope

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            >i was much hungrier on keto
            On ketosis I could easily manage an 800 cal fast (had to actually force food some days) and only after dropping all my excess bf% did i get hungrier to reach a regular caloric intake. Never felt hungry even with 6/18 intermittent fasting.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        There is no 'Ray Peat diet' ninny. He never sat down and wrote a universal protocol. And intentionally so if you looked into Ray's work enough you would know why. All he ever did was muse on his website, attend some interviews, and answer personal emails, and from these a community formed around him. He wasn't even associated with the forum. A lot advice of his has many caveats. Ray spoke very highly of potatoes assuming you tolerate the starch well, and spoke against Lactic acid, but you admitted to eating yogurt, so how were you on a 'Ray Peat diet again'? Also do you mean you ate 2000 calories of refined sugar a day? He never claimed refined sugar should be a staple either, just to use it judicially because it's a good clean source of carbs without irritants and easily digestible (plus it's half fructose which he spoke highly of).

        Majority of the time I see someone claim the 'Ray Peat diet' (as I explained doesn't even make any sense) "ruined my life" it is because they're midwits who weren't capable of fully understanding the context of his advice.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Blessed image

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Even the first layer of this is so completely and utterly wrong though, seems like the guy just got kicks out of being a contrarian, imagining miracle cures and focusing on details that don't matter

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Why aren't you agreeing him? Ray Peat has a PhD, you homosexuals do say to trust people with PhD's after all.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              "You homosexuals"?
              I have my problems with science worship but equating it to simple appeal to authority is a bit disingenuous, everyone and their mom knows about the Nobel disease

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Many such cases of people "refuting" independent opinions by saying the opposite opinion is done by people with higher credentials

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                More like appealing to more rigorous and recent studies and metanalysis, most of which show high fibre and unsaturated fats are good and sugar and red meat is bad
                Meanwhile Peat recommends coconut oil because he felt good after taking it and then cherrypicked studies to explain why his feelings were right
                If you don't trust those you can travel a bit and find that the healthiest first world regions are doing the opposite of what Peat recommends

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Studies are less worthy than anecdotes, there are studies with conclusions that align with every and any opinion you want, and i doubt that most if any people citing these studies know how to discern between a good and bad study. if you eat coconut oil and there's no negative effects, it's not bad for you. And we already know red meat and saturated fat is good

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Tell me you have never read a single article without telling me challenge impossible mode

            Everyone posting here had better have spent 50+ hours reading actual raypeat.com articles and listened to the phonecalls before passing judgement on any concepts he promoted. If you don't have Haidut on your speed dial and Idealabs GOLD memberships, shut the frick up

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Everyone posting here had better have spent 50+ hours reading actual raypeat.com articles and listened to the phonecalls before passing judgement on any concepts he promoted. If you don't have Haidut on your speed dial and Idealabs GOLD memberships, shut the frick up
              I fricking love that IST trolls have convinced real people to literally avoid one of the most unambiguously and non-controversial healthy foods in literature (PUFAs)

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                IST didn't start the pufa thing, peat + william price foundation believers perpetuated it. Even if pufas are not inherently as toxic as they appear to be, the majority of pufas that people ingest are rancid and of exceedingly low quality - you can't say they aren't problematic, especially with the evidence that all the saturated fat studies conducted in the 70's were funded by vegetable oil manufacturers.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >the majority of pufas that people ingest are rancid and of exceedingly low quality - you can't say they aren't problematic, especially with the evidence
                I can. Every observational study that looked at rates of PUFAs vs sat. fat. replacement shows a very clear health benefit. Every randomized control study that has purposefully replaced other fats with PUFAs has shown a clear, dose-dependent health benefit. Every meta-study unequivocally shows the same thing. Nothing was done in these to ensure they weren't eating "rancid" pufas because its a non-issue.
                Even the "ratio" studies that have come out recently-ish have show that its not the overconsumption of omega6, but the underconsumption of omega3 which is the problem.
                I'm not even going to link the studies (I could) because if you pubmed it, its all there. You have to dig for schizo studies that show otherwise, and they are usually shit-controlled studies.
                Again, to think otherwise is to swallow Pete's jizz and put yourself in the non-PUFA groups in any of the studies you can find.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >PUFA is healthy
                JFC
                maybe the best top tier pufas but 99% are dogshit

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Post one of those studies then. Make my lived experience and the lived experience of thousands of people who cut pufas out invalid with your magic TOTALLY REPEATABLE studies that DEFINITELY aren't funded by the same people who sell the pufa itself. moron.

                He died of overeating his shitty diet on Thanksgiving. Consume your sugar and ask him yourself.

                >Died in his sleep at almost 90
                >it was his eating habits!!!!
                firstly peat theories are not about longevity. Arguably they're not great for longevity in general. But they are good for quality of living and feeling healthy and having good hormone expression. You're gay.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >dude writing about how his diet is the key to immortality dying while on it isn't a sign the diet might be formulated with junk ideas
                Lol, you're such a braindead sugartroon. Makes sense, since glucose isn't the brain's preferred energy source and never will be. You will always be low-IQ.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                You've never read a single peat article and it shows, and that's fine. Remain where you are.

                [...]
                kek
                This narrative of "rancid" pufas is so fricking weird
                >Omega-3 fatty acids are now widely recognized to have an important role in preventing atherosclerotic CVD, carcinogenesis, and a wide range of other diseases and conditions, including those of the central nervous system (such as dementia), CV system (such as arrhythmia and chronic heart failure [CHF]), and immune system (including rheumatoid arthritis and psoriasis), and in the defense against infections
                > Canhada S, Castro K, Perry IS, Luft VC: Omega-3 fatty acids' supplementation in Alzheimer's disease: A systematic review. Nutr Neurosci, 2018; 21: 529-538
                > Yagi S, Fukuda D, Aihara KI, Akaike M, Shimabukuro M, Sata M: n-3 Polyunsaturated Fatty Acids: Promising Nutrients for Preventing Cardiovascular Disease. J Atherosclero Thromb, 2017; 24: 999-101
                > Siscovick DS, Barringer TA, Fretts AM, Wu JH, Lichtenstein AH, Costello RB, Kris-Etherton PM, Jacobson TA, Engler MB, Alger HM, Appel LJ, Mozaffarian D: Omega-3 Polyunsaturated Fatty Acid (Fish Oil) Supplementation and the Prevention of Clinical Cardiovascular Disease: A Science Advisory From the American Heart Association. Circulation, 2017; 135: e867-e884
                > Gioxari A, Kaliora AC, Marantidou F, Panagiotakos DP: Intake of omega-3 polyunsaturated fatty acids in patients with rheumatoid arthritis: A systematic review and meta-analysis. Nutrition, 2018; 45: 114-124. e114
                > Upala S, Yong WC, Theparee T, Sanguankeo A: Effect of omega-3 fatty acids on disease severity in patients with psoriasis: A systematic review. Int J Rheum Dis, 2017; 20: 442-450
                > Gerber M: Omega-3 fatty acids and cancers: a systematic update review of epidemiological studies. Br J Nutr, 2012; 107 Suppl 2: S228-239
                I literally can't find anything but PUFA-positive studies

                You don't understand what rancidity is, do you? Do you understand oxidative stress? Do you understand what pufas do to the body at a cellular level? Have you watched how these oils are manufactured?

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >PUFA is healthy
                JFC
                maybe the best top tier pufas but 99% are dogshit

                kek
                This narrative of "rancid" pufas is so fricking weird
                >Omega-3 fatty acids are now widely recognized to have an important role in preventing atherosclerotic CVD, carcinogenesis, and a wide range of other diseases and conditions, including those of the central nervous system (such as dementia), CV system (such as arrhythmia and chronic heart failure [CHF]), and immune system (including rheumatoid arthritis and psoriasis), and in the defense against infections
                > Canhada S, Castro K, Perry IS, Luft VC: Omega-3 fatty acids' supplementation in Alzheimer's disease: A systematic review. Nutr Neurosci, 2018; 21: 529-538
                > Yagi S, Fukuda D, Aihara KI, Akaike M, Shimabukuro M, Sata M: n-3 Polyunsaturated Fatty Acids: Promising Nutrients for Preventing Cardiovascular Disease. J Atherosclero Thromb, 2017; 24: 999-101
                > Siscovick DS, Barringer TA, Fretts AM, Wu JH, Lichtenstein AH, Costello RB, Kris-Etherton PM, Jacobson TA, Engler MB, Alger HM, Appel LJ, Mozaffarian D: Omega-3 Polyunsaturated Fatty Acid (Fish Oil) Supplementation and the Prevention of Clinical Cardiovascular Disease: A Science Advisory From the American Heart Association. Circulation, 2017; 135: e867-e884
                > Gioxari A, Kaliora AC, Marantidou F, Panagiotakos DP: Intake of omega-3 polyunsaturated fatty acids in patients with rheumatoid arthritis: A systematic review and meta-analysis. Nutrition, 2018; 45: 114-124. e114
                > Upala S, Yong WC, Theparee T, Sanguankeo A: Effect of omega-3 fatty acids on disease severity in patients with psoriasis: A systematic review. Int J Rheum Dis, 2017; 20: 442-450
                > Gerber M: Omega-3 fatty acids and cancers: a systematic update review of epidemiological studies. Br J Nutr, 2012; 107 Suppl 2: S228-239
                I literally can't find anything but PUFA-positive studies

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >PUFAs suck
                >Actually, PUFAs are good
                >Prove it
                >Here's proof that omega 3s are good which you already knew
                fricking moron KYS

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >PUFAs ARE BAD
                >wait not those PUFAs

                You've never read a single peat article and it shows, and that's fine. Remain where you are.
                [...]
                You don't understand what rancidity is, do you? Do you understand oxidative stress? Do you understand what pufas do to the body at a cellular level? Have you watched how these oils are manufactured?

                Yes and I also know that none of that matters, at all, given that there is no mortality effect of eating high PUFAs vs. not. Like no detrimental effect at all, according to every seriously controlled study or observational study performed. Which means
                >rancid
                doesn't affect health
                >oxidative stress
                from PUFAs: doesn't affect health
                >to the body at the cellular level
                yes, it gets used as fats get used
                >watched how these oils are manufactured
                lol

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Hahaha nice, enjoy your colon cancer lmao. Have fun with cellular dysfunction for the rest of your hazy, low-temperature life.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >no rebuttal
                >o-oh y-yeah, w-ell f-f-f--uck you a-non!
                kek I'll enjoy the benefits of PUFAs according to every study and metastudy on the subject. You enjoy the benefits of non-PUFAs according to every study and metastudy on it. I'm 100% fine with that outcome.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                You guzzle down your seed oils and keep living the life you're living, bud. I'll do what I feel makes my body work best and we'll see who's still posting in 50 years ok?

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                I consume zero sneed oil, I consume things like salmon, flax, nuts, tempeh, avocado, bit of olive oil
                All in moderation as like 20-30% of calories

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Learning to differentiate between pufa sources and the nutritional tradeoff is what's important. But there's no nuance with people ike

                >no rebuttal
                >o-oh y-yeah, w-ell f-f-f--uck you a-non!
                kek I'll enjoy the benefits of PUFAs according to every study and metastudy on the subject. You enjoy the benefits of non-PUFAs according to every study and metastudy on it. I'm 100% fine with that outcome.

                PUFA shills absolutely SEETHING ITT because of our boy Ray Peat, who WILL live forever because his ideals will carry on through the generations.

                Remember to check haidut.me to BTFO PUFA shills and their garbage studies.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                I think it's fair to assume that seed oils being hyperprocessed are not good for human consumption. Naturally occuring PUFAs which you can find in nuts, fish, etc. are another thing, mainly because you cannot feasibly get the same level of PUFAs in whole foods that you can in seed oils.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah like I think a lot of Peat stuff is just silly but honestly no harm comes from avoiding something as unnatural and processed as sneeds
                Just replace with whole foods, not mexican coke and a litre of ice cream

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                anti-depressive effects in rats
                >https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32613466/
                lack of dietary PUFAs frick with mice sleep
                >https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31100369/
                PUFA intake above 19·524 g/d was associated with an independent 19 % decrease in dyslipidaemia risk
                >https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34165051/
                While PUFAs don't help you get stronger (they are neutral), they help DOMs recovery and muscle function
                >https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34128440/
                PUFAs suppress athlerosclerosis
                >https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27744130/
                Just a whole history of PUFAs and CVDs
                >https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7113138
                IDK I just keep going down the recent pubmed list. I think the absolute worst thing I found against PUFAs is that they may be...neutral in some contexts?

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                It's a pseudopolitical esoteric cult led by a man who was outlived by countless Japanese men with literally hundreds of times his pugs consumption

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Pufa*

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Japanese men aren't wolfing down seed oils. Yo're fricking moronic.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Their pufa consumption is much greater than the average American's, and by extension that much greater than the average peatard's. Also nips do consume a lot of seed oils, both as "salad oil" and from deep frying. moron

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Their pufa consumption is much greater than the average American's
                You're just lying at this point. Disregarded.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >The amount of polyunsaturated fatty acids (PUFAs) in the food chain in Japan is reviewed on the basis of the newest nutrition survey data. The Japanese are currently consuming, on average, ≈26% of energy as fats with ratios of polyunsaturated to saturated fats and n−6 to n−3 fatty acids of ≈1.2:1 and 4:1, respectively. The significant contributors to this relatively high n−3 PUFA intake are not only fish and shellfish but also edible vegetable oils, almost exclusively rapeseed and basedbean oils. Thus, the dietary habits of the Japanese have made possible a high n−3 PUFA intake within a low-fat regimen
                >https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/71/1/189S/4729350

                >The Japanese diet is rich in seafood, and is therefore correspondingly rich in seafood-based long-chain n-3 PUFAs. For example, Japanese consume 5-8 times more EPA and DHA (0.8-0.9g/day) than people in the United States (0.1-0.2g/day).13,14 This large-scale cross-sectional epidemiologic study in Japanese is designed to clarify the relationships between the intake of various fatty acids and serum CRP in Japanese, whose diet is rich in EPA and DHA, and to investigate whether intake of EPA and DHA influences the relationship between CRP and intake of various other fatty acids.
                >https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7058455/
                copes go below

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Nobody cares about your industry-funded studies and seafood =/= hyperprocessed repurposed industrial sludge, you disingenuous fricking homosexual.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >hyperprocessed repurposed industrial sludge, you disingenuous fricking homosexual.

                Americans consume more pufa than anyone in the world anon, through basedbean oil mostly
                Yes this shocked me too as someone who never really thought about fried shit much because I naturally never touched it
                Americans have a weird fascination with lathering things in dressings as well which are just sneeds too, idk why

                >Americans consume more pufa than anyone in the world
                They literally, empirically do not. Read a single epidemiological study on the subject

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                1100 calories of sneed oil
                On average
                Including children

                [...]

                You can literally just eat a bunch of KFC after eating clean for a while and feel how hard it is for your body to process
                Ask yourself, was it the chicken? Was it the potatoes?
                Theres only one other thing it can be!

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                based

                https://i.imgur.com/Tdde69Z.jpg

                >i discovered the key to human longevity and vitality that everyone else mis-ACK!

                PUFA shills absolutely SEETHING ITT because of our boy Ray Peat, who WILL live forever because his ideals will carry on through the generations.

                Remember to check haidut.me to BTFO PUFA shills and their garbage studies.

                >PUFAs ARE BAD
                >wait not those PUFAs
                [...]
                Yes and I also know that none of that matters, at all, given that there is no mortality effect of eating high PUFAs vs. not. Like no detrimental effect at all, according to every seriously controlled study or observational study performed. Which means
                >rancid
                doesn't affect health
                >oxidative stress
                from PUFAs: doesn't affect health
                >to the body at the cellular level
                yes, it gets used as fats get used
                >watched how these oils are manufactured
                lol

                anti-depressive effects in rats
                >https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32613466/
                lack of dietary PUFAs frick with mice sleep
                >https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31100369/
                PUFA intake above 19·524 g/d was associated with an independent 19 % decrease in dyslipidaemia risk
                >https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34165051/
                While PUFAs don't help you get stronger (they are neutral), they help DOMs recovery and muscle function
                >https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34128440/
                PUFAs suppress athlerosclerosis
                >https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27744130/
                Just a whole history of PUFAs and CVDs
                >https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7113138
                IDK I just keep going down the recent pubmed list. I think the absolute worst thing I found against PUFAs is that they may be...neutral in some contexts?

                [...]
                kek
                This narrative of "rancid" pufas is so fricking weird
                >Omega-3 fatty acids are now widely recognized to have an important role in preventing atherosclerotic CVD, carcinogenesis, and a wide range of other diseases and conditions, including those of the central nervous system (such as dementia), CV system (such as arrhythmia and chronic heart failure [CHF]), and immune system (including rheumatoid arthritis and psoriasis), and in the defense against infections
                > Canhada S, Castro K, Perry IS, Luft VC: Omega-3 fatty acids' supplementation in Alzheimer's disease: A systematic review. Nutr Neurosci, 2018; 21: 529-538
                > Yagi S, Fukuda D, Aihara KI, Akaike M, Shimabukuro M, Sata M: n-3 Polyunsaturated Fatty Acids: Promising Nutrients for Preventing Cardiovascular Disease. J Atherosclero Thromb, 2017; 24: 999-101
                > Siscovick DS, Barringer TA, Fretts AM, Wu JH, Lichtenstein AH, Costello RB, Kris-Etherton PM, Jacobson TA, Engler MB, Alger HM, Appel LJ, Mozaffarian D: Omega-3 Polyunsaturated Fatty Acid (Fish Oil) Supplementation and the Prevention of Clinical Cardiovascular Disease: A Science Advisory From the American Heart Association. Circulation, 2017; 135: e867-e884
                > Gioxari A, Kaliora AC, Marantidou F, Panagiotakos DP: Intake of omega-3 polyunsaturated fatty acids in patients with rheumatoid arthritis: A systematic review and meta-analysis. Nutrition, 2018; 45: 114-124. e114
                > Upala S, Yong WC, Theparee T, Sanguankeo A: Effect of omega-3 fatty acids on disease severity in patients with psoriasis: A systematic review. Int J Rheum Dis, 2017; 20: 442-450
                > Gerber M: Omega-3 fatty acids and cancers: a systematic update review of epidemiological studies. Br J Nutr, 2012; 107 Suppl 2: S228-239
                I literally can't find anything but PUFA-positive studies

                cringe

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous
              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                based

                I refuse your sugar, I will eat stevia and monkfruit.

                cringe

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >hyperprocessed repurposed industrial sludge, you disingenuous fricking homosexual.
                Salad oil, kewpie-style mayo and deep fried foods are all regular parts of the nip diet. The study I linked mentioned them if you care to stop coping and read it

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                actual moron

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Enjoy your sludge. Not my problem.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >peatard who consumes shit like coke and ice cream calling what others eat as sludge
                these are real human beings lol

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Not a Peat fan nor do I do that. Once again, enjoy your sludge.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Have you ever been to Japan? Their male specimens are plump and weak, and their females are essential sterile aggressive harpies.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Americans consume more pufa than anyone in the world anon, through basedbean oil mostly
                Yes this shocked me too as someone who never really thought about fried shit much because I naturally never touched it
                Americans have a weird fascination with lathering things in dressings as well which are just sneeds too, idk why

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Americans consume more pufa than anyone in the world anon, through basedbean oil mostly
                The guy is being counter-contrarian and trying to suggest that repurposed industrial sludge that is totally unnatural and unable to be processed by the human body is somehow okay for you despite logic and honest studies saying otherwise. It's really no skin off my back because I'm not consuming seed oils either way.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                You realize Ray peat advocated against fatty seafood too, right

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                I never read more than a handful of Peat articles and I barely know anything about what he advocated other than memes. Not relevant to me.

                1100 calories of sneed oil
                On average
                Including children
                [...]
                You can literally just eat a bunch of KFC after eating clean for a while and feel how hard it is for your body to process
                Ask yourself, was it the chicken? Was it the potatoes?
                Theres only one other thing it can be!

                >You can literally just eat a bunch of KFC after eating clean for a while and feel how hard it is for your body to process
                >Ask yourself, was it the chicken? Was it the potatoes?
                >Theres only one other thing it can be!
                I agree, I have also felt like shit every time I ate something fried in seed oils. I genuinely don't care what industry-funded studies have to say about this topic, my experience and the experiences of a number of other people as well as actually considering the obscenely oxidative process that is involved in creating seed oils to begin with and the rare honest study about seed oils tells me that they are 100% not meant for human consumption and only exist for profit.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                This entire post is a straight up lie.

                https://academic.oup.com/eurjpc/article/29/18/2312/6691821?login=false

                https://www.jacc.org/doi/10.1016/j.jacc.2020.05.077

                >The recommendation to limit dietary saturated fatty acid (SFA) intake has persisted despite mounting evidence to the contrary

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              Bro listening to his phonecalls is the fastest way to becoming antipeat
              The guy was a stuttering meandering tard, when the number one sign of healthy metabolism is being articulate lmaoooooooooooo

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Ray Peat is the only contemporary figure with complete and comprehensive conception of the human organism. Most of nutrition and physiology research is so limited bcs people are forced to do hyper-specific research. The body of research becomes a superfragmented mosaic. Like trying to piece together a giant puzzle when the pieces don't fit. Peat at least offers a picture of how the organism works on all levels. In this he was alone in his life, and for this he stands far above the rest of the field.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              delulu

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              Most of what Ray Peat cites is old Soviet science. It’s all listed right on his website.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          contrarian homosexual who got off on being contrarian and a bunch of cultists who formed around him

          you're never going to legitimize this way of eating to anyone
          have a nice day already

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            high serotonin post. Ignored.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          why are you posting the outdated version?

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            >aspirin is plant progesterone
            >caffeine is plant thyroid

            Pretty interesting ideas

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            This one is worse. Should just add more layers onto the previous one.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >fat literally causes diabetes
        I've seen literally only the opposite irl

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >bears are diabetic during hibernation because they are fasting
        you are so fricking moronic it's unreal

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      pretty sure ray peat isn't for weightloss but ok

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      So basically you solved chronic dyhydration from prolactin and excessive water consumption but think it was bad because muh number? Are you trying to get people to call you stupid.

  12. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >feed aggressive monocultures in your gut

  13. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Maybe I'll just eat whole foods, balanced macros and nothing refined

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      What, like milk, meat and fruit? Sounds good famalam

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Milk usually counts as refined no?
        Unless you go out of your way to get raw

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >eww no a human hand was involved somewhere in the process, that means it's poisonous
          >swallows a bucket of multivitamins

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Lmao don't get pissy, milk is quite heavily processed, simple as

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              store bought milk is just heated up. hardly "processed"
              its got 1 ingredient.

  14. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    ill stick to the German diet of 1936 thank you very much, last government to care about its peoples health

  15. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    didn't this guy just drop dead of a heart attack?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      respiratory infection from smoke inhalation.

  16. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Girls who follow peat diet have tasty braps usually

  17. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I think I’m just gonna eat whatever I want and things will work themselves out

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Frick all this nonsense B you're the only based fricker in this thread. Take care G

  18. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Love your guitar work my dude

  19. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    If you eat a healthy amount of calories, fiber, protein, and micronutrients, then literally nothing else matters regarding diet.

    Eat whatever you want within those parameters.

  20. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >dying at 86
    Imagine trusting this moron

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >thinking 86 is a bad time to die
      Imagine trusting this moron

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      they literally killed him

  21. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    As you say Rape Eat

  22. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I do based coffee man, thank u for enlightening me. I am now euphoric because I get my self-actualization nutrients. Caffeine IS a vitamin.

  23. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    peating non stop since 2020. ama

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      What's the landmine looking thing supposed to be?

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Snus.

        https://i.imgur.com/4M9CJhB.jpg

        peating non stop since 2020. ama

        Why is snus on there? Gotta be fricking your gut up

        How do people tolerate snus anyway? I nearly throw up everytime I try it regardless of nicotine or tobacco content.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          You realize that it goes in your upper lip, which is dry, and not your lower lip, which is wet?

          Don't gut tobacco juice. Very few can tolerate it. Spit dip (lower) and let snus or zyn sit (upper).

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why is snus on there? Gotta be fricking your gut up

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        nicotine is neuroprotective and also feels zippy

        https://i.imgur.com/4M9CJhB.jpg

        peating non stop since 2020. ama

        You do get your bloodwork done, right? You do actually measure temps daily, right? Do you nibble your cynoplus or do you dribble your tyromix?

        true. it is cancerous and atherosclerious. bad for performance too. protein is controversial one. it increases growth factors making ine age faster and increasing cancer risk. on the other hand muscle strength brain power and skin texture need it to be at highest level. short term lowering protein will make you look older but it will slow down decline markedly. people from blue zones are all starch. original hunter gatheders were starch and lean protein.

        >it will still pair with the high carb to make you obese
        well of course, context matters when we're talking about dietary fats. if you're a sedentary couch potato then it's better to limit fat intake, the reason why people got fat initially is because they think that peat approved foods are magically anti obesogenic so they binge the shit out of ice creams, cokes, cheese and custard. If you're lifting and however, then this [...] macro is better, at least for me, skimming too much fat while being active just makes me feel lethargic and tired all the time despite the high sugar intake, i still limit the cap on fat to 100 grs though

        i've been on it since october and have gained probably like 3% bodyfat at most. Still have abs
        [...]
        fat literally causes diabetes while ketoschizos still blame sugar, bears are diabetic during hibernation because they are fasting, they break the fast by eating high-sugar honey after which their metabolic illness is reversed
        [...]
        i think the peat community is too leanient on saturated fat, while it's not as bad as PUFAs, it will still pair with the high carb to make you obese. high sugar, medium protein and low fat is where its at. aspirin is based and cheap as frick there's no reason to not take it (though it might frick with gains)

        dude high carb is where it's at. fat is poison

        Ray's theories on fats are not invalid but from a practical living standard cheeses, whole milk, and animal fats are good for both your quality of life/satisfaction as well as physical performance. Also, ray peat concepts as a whole do not promote high stress, exertive exercise for overall wellness. It's not an athlete's diet, it's a 'I WANT TO FEEL GOOD ALL THE TIME AND NOT FEEL LIKE SHIT' diet. There are better approaches and diet models that can be devised on a person to person basis that will be more supportive of athletic performance. If you want to lift, you need fat and protein also and if you want to minimize the inflammatory response to those exercises as well as reduce the hormone response to strength training, you need to modify the diet model accordingly. live vitae has a good diet model but he's literally a concierge health coach. THERE IS NO SINGULAR MODEL FOR HEALTH FOR EVERY PERSON AS ALL PEOPLE ARE DIFFERENT AND DEFICIENT IN DIFFERENT WAYS - BUT THERE ARE TRUISMS THAT CAN BENEFIT NEARLY EVERYONE REGARDLESS

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >nicotine is neuroprotective
          Yeah sure but, with the emphasis Ray puts on a healthy gut, constantly swallowing snus juice can't be good for your stomach/intenstines right?

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >nicotine is neuroprotective and also feels zippy
          nicotine gum/patches just as good or better as tobacco?

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            I don't know, I vape because I'm lazy and the gums burn my mouth. Patch would probably be ideal but I enjoy the addictive convenience of vaping, though I am well aware it's not good for my lungs.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            >nicotine is neuroprotective
            Yeah sure but, with the emphasis Ray puts on a healthy gut, constantly swallowing snus juice can't be good for your stomach/intenstines right?

            https://i.imgur.com/H3jhou2.jpg

            Snus.

            [...]
            [...]
            How do people tolerate snus anyway? I nearly throw up everytime I try it regardless of nicotine or tobacco content.

            just use patches (if you must). not as habit-forming nor as harmful as any other route

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      unironically, how do you not get fat with all the sugar? my problem is if I start to eat so much sugar/fructose I will always be hungry and crave food and I actually try to lose weight and escape skinnyfat mode, I need to lose more 18 pounds to reach my weight goal

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      yeah you feel good but you look like shit on this diet

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Lose the goyslurp and drink more coffee, especially if you're drinking american sodas with corn syrup in it. Also eat broccoli or asparagus every now and then for the vitamin k and stuff

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Redbull and mexican cokes use cane sugar

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          yeah that's a lot better but still not good. Get your sugar from eating grapes and stuff like that

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            The argument for the drinks is that it's easier and faster to get the sugar and caffeine in your system which promotes the very high metabolism/high thyroid function component of ray peatisms. It's not ideal for anyone unless they have the thyroid to support it, and they want to be riding a high blood sugar train all day. If you aren't supplementing thyroid, it's not a great idea. But it's no worse than a really bad bowl of HFCS onions slop crap food for you overall.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              >But it's no worse than a really bad bowl of HFCS onions slop crap food for you overall
              There's been animal studies on this. All of them show that the animals that were given HFCS developed more fat tissue and less muscle mass when compared to the ones who got regular table sugar. The calorie amount was the same

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >There's been animal studies on this. All of them show that the animals that were given HFCS developed more fat tissue and less muscle mass when compared to the ones who got regular table sugar.
                post them

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Man I tried to get some st jeans oysters a few weeks ago, they sent an email saying they had 3000 cans, and they were all fricking gone within a few hours, even with a 6 can per customer limit. Now I have to keep eating this fricking made in china garbage.

  24. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Guys what if diet really doesn't matter as long as you get enough exercise? Is that so crazy? If you lift hard and are active does it matter what you eat?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      I mean, exercising doesn't automatically make you healthy. Eating well almost does though.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Stop being rational. It really comes down to 'does the diet I am consuming adequately provide enough nutrients and minimize digestive hardship for ME and my body's particular set of conditions?'
      'does the food I am eating hurt me, while still providing the essential calories and nutrition to continue growing and functioning?'
      'If I change my diet to reduce the likelihood of gut-based bodily stress, can I continue exercising and growing larger?'
      People never define a real goal for their diet and training - they just have this ambiguous 'I wanna get bigger or faster waaah' without considering how they will feel or how their body will perform in every other capacity besides muscular strength/size/aesthetics/bodyfat

      I mean, exercising doesn't automatically make you healthy. Eating well almost does though.

      well said

      >nicotine is neuroprotective
      Yeah sure but, with the emphasis Ray puts on a healthy gut, constantly swallowing snus juice can't be good for your stomach/intenstines right?

      It's more of a meme than a solid nutrition strategy, but if you spit out the snus juice then you'd probably get the benefit of the nicotine without the gut distress

      yeah you feel good but you look like shit on this diet

      Not true. Clearer skin, better hair, better nails, vitality. If you work out you're stressing the body in a different way, and you can balance the two sides of the equation for a middle ground. Body comp is dependent on exercise and diet together.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/4M9CJhB.jpg

        peating non stop since 2020. ama

        post body

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          ogey

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            not bad. what's your typical meals like?

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              I graze throughout the day. first thing in the morning is check temperature and supp some thyroid, vit d + K mct oil, allergy meds, 2x aspirin, and tall glass of OJ blended with L-theanine + glycine
              several tall glasses of whole grassfed milk throughout the day, coffee with sweetened condensed milk or just whole milk, canned sardines + some fixings for fish salad, whole carrots (I don't bother with making the salad, it's time consuming and uses dishes and I feel I'm getting enough carrot fiber with whole carrots), white rice + fish or ground beef or shrimp or whatever, roasted potatoes, cooked veg (usually just broccoli or brussels sprouts), sometimes I bother with the gelatin powder + homemade chicken stock (I will shred a rotisserie chicken once a week and make stock from the bones, really worthwhile imo) and whatever misc supps I haven't taken yet. Dinners are usually a rice/potato dish + meat and milk, end day with haagen dasz or similar low-ingredient good quality ice cream for mental health and it tastes good, magnesium/glycine/l-theanine/NAC + OJ as bedtime drink. Exercise is either bjj or strength training.

              >But it's no worse than a really bad bowl of HFCS onions slop crap food for you overall
              There's been animal studies on this. All of them show that the animals that were given HFCS developed more fat tissue and less muscle mass when compared to the ones who got regular table sugar. The calorie amount was the same

              I should clarify, the HFCS is worse inarguably. But if someone is indulging in a ton of sugar with poor thyroid they're not doing themselves any favors.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                not bad. what's your typical meals like?

                can't believe I forgot cheese. Lots of pecorino chunks, sharp cheddars, parm, etc. Mostly because they make me feel good but also good salt content and relatively solid fat source on top of the milk.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                https://i.imgur.com/bN3llb0.jpg

                ogey

                Also to be clear my health goals are shifting towards feeling good and sleeping well to better motivate myself at work and personal life goals. When I am strength training I make good progress, when I train bjj I lose a bit of my max strength and have a better cardio baseline but it's very strenuous for me to do both at the same time. Recovery is very important and my diet would make me rounder and a little softer if I didn't exercise as much as I do. I don't feel any negative effects from my diet with my training and vice versa but overtraining must be avoided.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Exercise is either bjj
                gay

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, your point?

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                stop doing gay activities that raise cortisol. go live in high altitude mountain and raise a family there. also cool it with the x2 aspirin daily unless you know what you are doing. also imo its better to get done with OJ in the morning and switch to organic milk at night until bed

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                I have health and personal goals that require cortisol-raising activities to accomplish. I could be sedentary but I don't want to be. I do the 2x aspirin twice a day and I know why I'm doing it. I can't afford a high mountain home yet. The OJ is to make the magnesium/NAC blend more palatable. I appreciate your input but I have a good plan and I'm on top of my blood, thyroid, and temps.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Im not well versed at all when it comes to the whole aspirin thing, but what's a good daily dosage for someone who wants to try it out? Only ones available here are 500mgs.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                https://raypeat.com/articles/aging/aspirin-brain-cancer.shtml

                just go to the source and spend the time reading

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Those abs look photoshopped

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              That's probably the nicest thing anyone has ever said to me on this website, thanks anon. Just good inserts, though I wish I had more obvious lower abs.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            ok everyone realyl wanted to see what ur body looked like, but please post ur hairline from 2020 to now on this diet, thats what really matters

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      I wish it was true, my big brother is active, exericses and runs almost every day but eats slop every day too, he gained weight (mainly fat) and lost muscle in the past couple of years and looks like shit now

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >brother works hard labor in construction but eats goyslop
      >me works in an office, eats according to Ray Peat guidelines, exercises minimal as possible

      Guess which one of us has belly fat?
      It's not me.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        explain this chart to me, it says that proteins from beef are better than milk and eggs yet peat said that milk and egg proteins are better than meat

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Peat recomended for protein optimization to limit intake of methionine, cysteine, tryptophan and histidine.
          Gelatin is the only protein source that acomplishes all those things.
          So Peat recomends take like 30-50g of gelatin a day.
          But he was drinking like 2L of milk a day, which is high in cysteine.

          So if you want to be super autistic about protein optimization, even more autistic than Peat himself, you would choose to eat cheese over milk, and eat egg yolks but throw out the egg whites.

          Peat advises to not eat legumes because they digest poorly and have a lot of antinutrients, but solely from a protein optimization perspective, they're a good choice to limit methionine intake.

          For most people though, if you're supplementing collagen regularily, then drinking 2L of milk a day should be no problem.
          But for some very sensitive people, such as those with a sulphur allergy, then the limit of sulphur proteins should be limited.
          For example drinking 1L of milk (42g of protein) contains 1.0g of cysteine more than 42g of cheese protein. So this adds up and takes a real toll on health.

          However milk has a lot of pros, like being the most nutrient dense dairy product, and the cheapest per calorie dairy product.

          Anyways to summarize, most people should just take collagen. And if you are drinking milk or eating lots of eggs, it can lead to an excess of sulphur proteins that cause inflammation, that should be balanced by collagen, or some other strategy, like eating lots of cheese and legumes.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            So as an example for reading this chart:
            Most muscle meats contain similar ratios of amino acids. And since most people's protein intake comes from muscle meat, it is the default that other proteins are compared to.

            So the chart shows in the Cysteine column that milk has 2.33x more cysteine than muscle meat, while cottage cheese has 0.397x the amount of cysteine as muscle meat. This means if milk has 2.33 / 0.397 = 5.87x more cysteine than cheese protein.

            One time Peat was asked what three food items he would choose to bring on a deserted island. He said cheese, OJ and masa harina.
            Now most Peat fans probably wonder why he would choose cheese over milk? Especially for the guy who reps the 2L milk + 1L OJ diet.
            My guess is the high cysteine content in milk, even though milk has much better micros than cheese.

            So basically the Peat community is well aware of PUFA optimization, but not too many are doing protein optimization. If you are Peating and you are drinking 2L of milk a day but you aren't supplementing collagen, then you are doing the opposite of following Peat's guidelines on protein optimization.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            surely a gram of cysteine is totally negligible

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              Nope. Ray Peat is against NAC supplementation because of the cysteine content.
              1.0g of cysteine per day of excess cysteine will cause problems - whether it is 12 years down the road or 12 months.

              It's another one of those slow accumulating effects things, just like how pufas cause long-term metabolic disease.

              still died at 86 though. The only thing that will guarantee a long life is a low stress and happy lifestyle.

              possibly murdered by sneed oil shills
              He ticked off the wrong restaurant owner who didn't want to change his cooking oil

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              1g of cysteine x 1 day is totally negligible.
              But there are people drinking 2L of milk per day (ie 2.0g of excess cysteine per day compared to if cheese protein were eaten) without supplementing collagen, and so it adds up. Contributes to long-term disease.

              With Peat being against people supplementing NAC due to the (mild) cysteine toxicity ... well people drinking lots of milk are taking in similar amounts of excess cysteine.

              It's a bit like the PUFAs issue, how they are toxic, but the toxic effects are small in the short-term, but accumulate over time.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >dont eat eggs
        >dont drink milk
        No.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      dumbest post made today

  25. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Eat s-ACK!

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Been on Peat for about 3 years now. Healthiest I've ever been. But hey if you don't wanna eat sugar try eating shit.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Follow your leader, sugartroony.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          What, die of old age? moron.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            He died of overeating his shitty diet on Thanksgiving. Consume your sugar and ask him yourself.

  26. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    How do I know if I'm getting enough sugar?
    I drink a glass of OJ, whole fat milk + nesquik for my health/protein shake and that's all I can really think of for big sugar items other than maybe bread..

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      check your body temp multiple times a day, monitor how you feel energy wise in a small journal, and get your TSH/t3/t4 levels figured out accordingly. Add sugar for more energy, reduce if your thyroid is not up to the task

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        my TSH and T4 was high
        my T3 was midrange
        not really sure how to interpret this at all,

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          In order to not compromise your health I will not try and interpret your levels for you. Please do some reading on the raypeatforum and learn the relationship between the three, I promise you that you will learn more about the rest of your metabolism and what your body needs than me just saying 'supplement t3 and drink coffee'

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            ok
            what about selenium/iodine?

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              Selenium is good to supplement in general. I would be careful with supplementing non-salt-sourced iodine because it cane do some weird stuff. I personally don't take a selenium supp because I eat a lot of oysters and I feel that is adequate.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                i see
                low dose dosing of iodine + selenium couldnt hurt right?
                even falls under goyslop recommended values

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                won't hurt but DYOR on iodine. selenium is fine in general

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                i mean iodine is hard
                lots of people think you can frick yourself up with way too much
                i agree
                but also lots of iodine-pill type posts on here have been made, warning about how nothing has iodine in it anymore, and no one has nearly enough

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                I don't disagree but I also believe that you need to personalize your supplementation to your body's particular needs, as in define how much you believe you should be getting, look at what you're eating and if supplementing makes sense then of course go for it. I am just cynical of the very spoonfed advice that gets passed around in the guise of good health

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                i agree

                check your body temp multiple times a day, monitor how you feel energy wise in a small journal, and get your TSH/t3/t4 levels figured out accordingly. Add sugar for more energy, reduce if your thyroid is not up to the task

                so you say this
                but i feel like what i posted isnt that much sugar, is it
                also, for fat, if you dont want a lot then is it a bad idea to do whole fat milk?

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                I graze throughout the day. first thing in the morning is check temperature and supp some thyroid, vit d + K mct oil, allergy meds, 2x aspirin, and tall glass of OJ blended with L-theanine + glycine
                several tall glasses of whole grassfed milk throughout the day, coffee with sweetened condensed milk or just whole milk, canned sardines + some fixings for fish salad, whole carrots (I don't bother with making the salad, it's time consuming and uses dishes and I feel I'm getting enough carrot fiber with whole carrots), white rice + fish or ground beef or shrimp or whatever, roasted potatoes, cooked veg (usually just broccoli or brussels sprouts), sometimes I bother with the gelatin powder + homemade chicken stock (I will shred a rotisserie chicken once a week and make stock from the bones, really worthwhile imo) and whatever misc supps I haven't taken yet. Dinners are usually a rice/potato dish + meat and milk, end day with haagen dasz or similar low-ingredient good quality ice cream for mental health and it tastes good, magnesium/glycine/l-theanine/NAC + OJ as bedtime drink. Exercise is either bjj or strength training.
                [...]
                I should clarify, the HFCS is worse inarguably. But if someone is indulging in a ton of sugar with poor thyroid they're not doing themselves any favors.

                There is a lot of sugar in the juice, milk, condensed milk, I forgot to include occasional mexican coke (half liter from costco) 1x a day, + pint of ice cream... I get plenty of sugar it's just spread out. I am not strict in adhering to the low-fat component of peatmaxxing. I find that whole organic grassfed milk satisfies me more and I do not notice it translating into any more visceral fat than any other part of my diet.

  27. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Every time I try to peat I always remember that is not a sustainable diet for looksmaxxing/aesthetics and I just return to my basic bro diet. Although I coffeemaxx and I drink 1lt oj and 2lt milk per day

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      peating is inherently unaesthetic because it prioritizes wellbeing over cortisol.

  28. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Still got some Easter bunny sloppy seconds around.

  29. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    PUFA shills absolutely SEETHING ITT because of our boy Ray Peat, who WILL live forever because his ideals will carry on through the generations.

    Remember to check haidut.me to BTFO PUFA shills and their garbage studies.

  30. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    brehs how bad is this ice cream?
    only bad ingredient i can see is corn syrup which sucks because it seems good

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      get haagen dasz instead. Or Van Leeuwen. Much tastier and less full of shit

  31. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >i discovered the key to human longevity and vitality that everyone else mis-ACK!

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      The guy had cancer in his 50's and didn't start his diet until that time but whatever. Keep sneeding.

  32. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I refuse your sugar, I will eat stevia and monkfruit.

  33. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Did you guys know his teeth rot out and became black so he had them cut out for dentures?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      post source or have a nice day

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      So you guys don't know this? He blamed it on eating too much wheat germ. I know more about Peat than you I guess. He also talked like he was barely conscious in all the interviews with him. He could barely speak at times and his fans would talk about how healthy he was (died that same year).

      Another hypocrisy is him giving tips on how to keep your hair color, while having grey hair. He took test too, every "big name" on that forum is shooting test while talking about it's the vitamin e oil applied to the scrotum.

  34. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >tfw when I learned that short/medium chain fats aren't affected by the randal cycle

    The anti PUFA people were correct, avoid long chain fats and eat simple carbs to pump the frick out of your metabolism

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >b-but le japs are healthy!
      this is the argument of people who've never been in japan long enough, sure they might not be fat but the average japs look like the textbook example of hypothyroidism. you have to remember that obesity isn't the only sign of hypothyroidism, things like bloated face, bags under eyes and such are a good sign, i mean shit, 12% of japs have beetus, slightly higher than the average muttmerican and this was the 2016 data, who knows how it is now

      i think stearic acid is an interesting case, they're a long chain fatty acid but have a unique effect,

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        problem in Japan is the modern introduction of western food

        traditional japanese diet is fine

  35. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    i just had a coca-cola

  36. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Peating for 3 years. Hat size has increased by 4. Went from looking 30 to 20 (am really 25). Academic/work performance way up. Life-satisfaction up ten-fold. If you feel like his ideas run contrary to your way of thinking, just listen to one of his radio-shows or read one article. Give it just a small chance before passing judgement please.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Peating for 3 years. Hat size has increased by 4
      my heads already massive i better stay away from peat

  37. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    EAT MY SHORT DICK

  38. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Dietary linoleic acid is required for development of experimentally induced alcoholic liver injury
    >Dietary Linoleic Acid and Its Oxidized Metabolites Exacerbate Liver Injury Caused by Ethanol via Induction of Hepatic Proinflammatory Response in Mice

    >Dietary saturated fat reduces alcoholic hepatotoxicity in rats by altering fatty acid metabolism and membrane composition
    >Beef fat prevents alcoholic liver disease in the rat

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      saturated fats cause NAFLD, stop lying

  39. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >tfw i'm type 1 so even if peat is right it's not my best path
    Unless I'm on the slow and IST found out type 1 is a psy-op?

  40. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    still died at 86 though. The only thing that will guarantee a long life is a low stress and happy lifestyle.

  41. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >pufas are good
    Israeli Paradox
    French Paradox

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      israel is a shithole full of ethnics with genetic health frickups

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >muh geneticserino!
        they consume a shitton of soibean oil, no amount of good genetics will bail you out

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >muh sneed oilerinos!
          they also have shit genetics because they are all inbred af

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      israel is a shithole full of ethnics with genetic health frickups

      an israeli (white) anon posted one of his meals in a food thread a couple days ago, it was pastries and milk. it's no wonder their shit is fricked

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        seems normal
        they just have ridiculous levels of consanguinity because israelites and mudslimes which fricks up their health

  42. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Eating liver, oysters, eating carbs and avoiding pufa gets you like 95+% of the way tbqh, that's not to say the rest of the peat stuff isn't worthwhile though.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Avoiding seed oils is 80% of fat optimization
      Supplementing gelatin is 80% of protein optimization
      Eating fruit, rice and potatos is 80% of carb optimization

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        just eat like shit and have raw carrots every day

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          I used to do that in university and it didn't work for me.

  43. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Did we evolve to eat it or didn't we evolve to eat it. The only thing I care about. What did our species eat for hundreds of thousands of years and before? What did our physiology evolve to thrive on that separated us from our ape ancestors?
    We weren't eating pounds of vegetables and tofu, I can promise you that.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      If the first fish that wandered on land kept looking back to see what his ancestors did, he will inevitably go back towards the sea and never survive on land
      If the first human kept looking back to see what his ancestors did, he will still be apes today and not humans
      If we keep looking back at what our cavemen ancestors did, we will return to cavemen. Are you a caveman out hunting dinosaurs or just some homosexual behind a keyboard.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        If something works don't change it. Ignoring what has kept our ancestors healthy for hundreds of thousands of years just for the sake of 'progress' is fricking dumb.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          The life you live, the food you eat, the society you’re in, theyre nothing like what your ancestors experienced.
          You think you can live like your ancestors did today? You think your ancestors way of life still “works” today?

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            I think that eating as closely to what my ancestors did (as in pre agricultural ancestors) is going to be of the most benefit to me, yes. Why wouldn't it be? Why wouldn't it be best to a diet as close to that which my digestive system has evolved to best handle? Why would it behoove me to eat pounds of vegetables and artificial substances when my ancestors ate mostly meat, fish, root vegetables and in season fruits? It's not complicated.
            We can and should take lessons from our past.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              The question shouldnt be what did my ancestors do. It should be what should i do. That question could lead us back to what out ancestors did and learn from them. But we shouldnt start at the assumption that our ancestors know best. Sometimes they dont.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              Well then why stop there, the ancestors of those ancestors were frugivores
              The very fact that you can get athesclerosis at all means you are not adapted to eating a high meat diet

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                You're American, aren't you?

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              >hmmmm.....obese chickens and salmons, metabolically compromised cattles, big plump tubers, seedless and juicy fruits, just like what my ancesterinos ate!

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Why wouldn't it be?
              because organisms have adapted to the physical realities of nature. They weren't created perfect, they successively managed to gain more and more resources. Things like vitamins, minerals, carbohydrates, proteins, even hormones and herbs have actual irreplaceable physical properties that your body uses to develop and maintain itself. Sure, you can't eat 10000 calories a day and become anything other than fat, but can your body use caffeine? can it use gingeroles, astaxanthin, lycopene, more calcium, more zinc, more magnesium, more complex gut biomes, etc? The body exists before purpose.

  44. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    All I took from Peat was replacing sunflower and canola oil with olive and coconut oil in meal preparation. Works fine for me. I still eat nuts, fatty fish and other sources of PUFA, just don't use any refined sneed oils when cooking, which reduces their content in my diet to a minimum since I never eat out and rarely eat shop-bought ready-to-eat food. Seems like a reasonable middle ground between esoteric raypeatism and unrestrained goyslop gluttony. Don't really care for carb/protein/fat ratio and content optimization past that.

    That, coupled with (not very strict) intermittent fasting, a 3 - 5 day fast a couple times a year and regular exercise, has allowed me stay at around 12 % bodyfat all year long despite already being in my mid-thirties.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Smart approach. Literally take what seems reasonable and incorporate it into your life rather than treating these gurus like gods and trying to follow everything they say. Every diet/guru has somethings worthwhile and somethings they’re way off on.

  45. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >be a fatasfatass
    >grandmother had beetus
    >grandfather had beetus
    >two uncles have/had beetus
    >don't have beetus despite being fatter than any of them by far and eating goyslop for years while sitting in front of a screen cooming my brains out
    Diabetes almost seems random.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      forgot
      >drink 15+ natties almost every week for years

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      forgot
      >drink 15+ natties almost every week for years

      well, they've been alive a lot longer than you, at least a couple decades i assume. and apparently alcohol is protective against diabetes

  46. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    https://www.bmj.com/content/353/bmj.i1246

    > Available evidence from randomized controlled trials shows that replacement of saturated fat in the diet with linoleic acid effectively lowers serum cholesterol but does not support the hypothesis that this translates to a lower risk of death from coronary heart disease or all causes.

    This is important, because many of those existing studies which say PUFA is healthy and Sat fat is not, is COMPLETELY BASED on blood serum cholesterol levels being higher on a sat fat diet, with the prevailing idea that higher chol=higher risk of things like heart disease and stroke. This is one of the best studies there is by the way, because their diet was in a controlled setting, and lasted years.

    The idea that higher chol = bad, is what's wrong. Once that hypothesis is thrown out of the window, damn near ALL studies saying that Sat fat is bad(or atleast, worse than PUFA's), becomes wrong.

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