Amino acids are molecules that combine to form proteins.
Our body produces amino acids. However there are 9 essential amino acids that our body can't produce, that we must get from external sources.
The essential ones according to the app are: histidine, isoleucine, leucine, lysine, methionine, phenylalanine, threonine, tryptophan, and valine. There are a few non-essential ones also that are also fine to get from external sources.
This app will show this to you as a percentage of daily intake (it also shows vitamin and mineral contents)
This visualises data from https://fdc.nal.usda.gov/
it states that an adult mealworm has 486.1 mg per gram of protein, at 100grams we have 48.61 grams of protein. According to the app, chicken has 23g of protein per 100 grams.
Okay it has more overall protein, but lets look at the amino acid composition.
Tryptophan - chicken: 283mg | Mealworm: 260mg
Threonine - chicken: 1009mg | Mealworm: 2150mg
Isoleucine - chicken: 1104mg | Mealworm: 1970mg
leucine - chicken: 1861mg | Mealworm: 2970mg
lysine - chicken: 2163mg | Mealworm: 3230mg
Methionine - chicken: 585mg | Mealworm: 590mg
Cystine - chicken: 236mg | Mealworm: 550mg
Phenylalanine - chicken: 908mg | Mealworm: 1880mg
Tyrosine - chicken: 810mg | Mealworm: 3500mg
Valine - chicken: 1165mg | Mealworm: 3440mg
Hisidine - chicken: 839mg | Mealworm: 2240mg
As you can see, mealworms are good for gains. But there's something to be argued about the efficiency of chicken. As, despite a lower amount of protein, chicken delivers a much higher percentage of amino acids. Also chicken = yummy, mealworms = blurgh, so therefore you will eat more chicken.
Next - minerals and followed by vitamins
I will eat rich people before I eat bugs.
eat the rich diet
main minerals per 100g
Calcium - Chicken: 5mg | mealworms: nill
Iron - Chicken: 0.4mg | mealworms: 3.8mg
Potassium - Chicken: 334mg | mealworms: nill
Magnesium - 28mg | 87.5mg
Phosphorus - 213mg | nill
Sodium - 45 | nill
Zinc - 0.7mg | 4.2mg
Copper - nill | nill
Manganese - nill | 0.44mg
Selenium - 22.8mg | nill
Iodine - nill | nill
othershit that is irrelevant due to being nill for all and not doing a whole lot.
Chicken mostly out performs Mealworms in minerals
With exceptions to iron and zinc, of which there are better sources than mealworms or chicken.
Next: Important vitamins
Surely paleo/carnifags should be supportive of eating bugs.
No because bugs are not bioavailable. In a surprise to no one with a brain, humans evolved at the top of the food chain and thus optimally get nutrition from our typical prey, not eating bugs like a fucking chicken would. There is something very philosophically revealing about all these vegans and gays obsessed with eating bugs, like no matter how they try to spin their retarded diets, all they are doing is broadcasting that they identify as a lesser species. Like they have (de)evolved from an apex predator back into some pathetic scared little foraging prey creature.
Protein isn't this magical substance that infinitely gives you gains, it drops off significantly at a certain point. Bugs are objectively a better source of both protein and micronutrients on top of being high in heart healthy fats. You cannot argue this, you can only argue with emotion like a woman does.
>Bugs are objectively a better source of both protein and micronutrients on top of being high in heart healthy fats.
What does that have to do with my innate disgust for bugs. Bugeaters need to put the philosophy down. You are too stupid to apply it rationally.
ok fine, if you don't want to eat them that's on you, the argument isn't about forcing you to eat bugs, the argument is about their nutritional quality. They beat meat in nutrition. Better nutrition leads to better gains and a healthier life.
>They beat meat in nutrition
When you compare freeze-dried bugs to fresh chicken.
Compared like for like: freeze dried meat to freeze dried bugs, or compare protein directly gram for gram, or compare kcal for kcal.
it takes about 6 times less food to make 100 grams of bugs vs 100 grams of chicken. So if you want to do these comparisons, you should also compare the cost of each as well.
If the bugs cost 6 times less to create, then you can buy 6 times more of the bugs, and I highly doubt chicken can compete with that, considering the protein autist in this thread showing that chicken may beat bugs by very small margins.
>If the bugs cost 6 times less to create, then you can buy 6 times more of the bugs
I'm glad you brought up cost!
100g of cricket powder for £7.99
Of the 100g of cricket powder, 62g is protein.
62g of protein for £7.99, or 12.8p per 1gram of protein
For £6, I can buy 1kg of frozen chicken breast, with a total of 270g of protein
2.2p per 1gram protein, or nearly 1/6th the cost per gram of protein than the bugz. This is before we even consider protein quality / digestibility.
I was hoping you'd reply with something like this because it really shows a lack of critical thought. The reason why your chicken is cheaper than crickets is simply because of the economy of scale. If crickets were as mass produced as chicken, they'd be much cheaper. It's merely supply and demand.
It's not self-evident that crickets can ever be farmed, harvested and sold at sufficient economies of scale to compete with chicken.
if they consume much less resources than chickens, they will be able to be farmed. Since they are bugs, their conditions can also be much worse than chickens, which means they can be packed much more harshly without activists crying about it and they can be packed more safely without much waste. You pack enough chickens close enough to each other and you're getting a lot of dead chickens.
>Since they are bugs, their conditions can also be much worse than chickens
bugs get sick too anon
you start keeping millions of insects together in farms, and you start introducing the possibility of new diseases to emerge and run rampant throughout their population.
it happens to humans, it happens to livestock, colony insects like bees and ants routinely get rekt by pathogens, it will happen to crickets and mealworms too.
a quick search shows common bacteria like e coli, salmonella and parasites / worms which are very easily remedied.
They are easily remedied in the livestock we know how to treat, in cows, pigs and chickens.
It is not obvious or apparent that we can cure insects of these diseases in ways that won't kill the insects or transmit antibiotics into the foodchain
>Added to this is the fact that the buy in to start a cricket farm is going to be much less than a chicken farm.
Says whom? Chickens are economically cheaper to produce than crickets.
The "economies of scale" that you're referring to already happen for crickets: Crickets are already farmed in huge facilities, and have been for years. People have already spent decades figuring out how to grow as many crickets as cheaply as possible, mainly for animal feed. Making those crickets suitable for human consumption is only going to make them more expensive, not less.
from my time spent in /sfg/ on biz, I would assume the buy in cost a for a reasonably profitable cricket farm is quite low.
That being said, approximately zero fancy restaurants are interested in buying crickets like they are with shrimp.
>The reason why your chicken is cheaper than crickets is simply because of the economy of scale.
Economies of scale are a response to demand, driven by the profit motive. There will never be sufficient demand for bugs to approach economies of scale close to chickens.
demand for a cheaper alternative and demand among vegetarians can definitely create a market. Added to this is the fact that the buy in to start a cricket farm is going to be much less than a chicken farm. Bugs have the ability to propagate very quickly in bad conditions.
Look at you being all glad and shit. Didn't you reply to another anon earlier that this is not an economics but strictly nutrition thread you huge fucking gay? God you're insufferable kys.
Weak bait, up your game for the sake of your fellow shitposters.
>There is something very philosophically revealing about all these vegans and gays obsessed with eating bugs, like no matter how they try to spin their retarded diets, all they are doing is broadcasting that they identify as a lesser species. Like they have (de)evolved from an apex predator back into some pathetic scared little foraging prey creature.
Well said anon
Cult-like beliefs are always a deviation from the natural state of man, otherwise the cult would have no purpose.
Humans have instinctual behaviour patterns, but, owing to the size of our brain, also constructed behaviour patterns. These can override natural instinct, but only to a degree.
Some people have a psychology more geared towards cult-like thinking that others. This is why you see such huge overlap between bug eaters, vegans, transsexuals, self-hating whites, pedo apologists, male feminists, ect...
It's all a deviation from the biological programming of man.
Now let's look at digestibility / bioavailability you massive gay
>The pressing need for protein supply growth gives rise to alternative protein sources, such as insect proteins. Commercial cricket and mealworm powders were examined for their protein quality, surface charge and functional attributes. Both insect powders had similar proximate compositions with protein and ash contents of ~66% db (dry weight basis) and 5% db, respectively, however cricket powder contained more lipid (16.1%, db) than mealworm powder (13.7%, db). Mealworm protein had an amino acid score of 0.71 and was first limiting in lysine, whereas cricket protein was first limiting in tryptophan with an amino acid score of 0.85. In vitro protein digestibility values of 75.7% and 76.2%, and in vitro protein digestibility corrected amino acid scores of 0.54 and 0.65, were obtained for mealworm and cricket powders, respectively.
>protein digestibility corrected amino acid scores of 0.54 and 0.65, were obtained for mealworm and cricket powders, respectively.
Literally on par with the worst quality vegetable protein sources, see pic related. And remember, this was from bug POWDER, which is infinitely more digestible than eating whole bugs.
You're literally better off eating onions protein than bugs.
Bugs are not a viable alternative protein source for humans for several reasons. First, the human body cannot digest chitin, the main component of insect exoskeletons. Second, bugs are not a very efficient source of protein, requiring more food (in the form of insects) to convert into protein than other animals such as chickens
There are a number of reasons why the human body cannot digest chitin. Chitin is a complex polysaccharide that is not broken down by human digestive enzymes. Additionally, chitin is not a good source of nutrition for humans, as it is not a good source of essential amino acids. Finally, chitin can actually have a negative impact on human health, as it can bind to and kill beneficial gut bacteria
Bugs are also not a very efficient source of protein. In order to obtain usable protein from bugs, humans would need to eat a large number of them. This is because insects are mostly made up of exoskeleton, which is indigestible for humans. Additionally, insects have a very low conversion rate of food to protein, meaning that more insects would need to be eaten to obtain the same amount of protein as from other animals
Finally, bugs are a significant source of greenhouse gas emissions. A study published in the journal Science found that a diet rich in insects would result in higher emissions of methane and nitrous oxide, two of the most potent greenhouse gases. The study found that the emissions from a diet of insects were about double those of a typical livestock-based diet.
I don't think you actually read
because it isn't supportive of OP.
>To our knowledge, this is the first study of its kind to evaluate the impact of edible cricket consumption on the human gut microbiota. We provide evidence that cricket supplementation selectively changes the gut microbial and metabolite environment, but it does not dramatically shift the global gut microbiota after a 14-day dietary intervention. Similarly, we demonstrate that cricket consumption was safe over the study period and was not associated with major GI side-effects.
>In contrast, the probiotic species Lactobacillus reuteri and two other lactic acid-producing bacteria (LAB) were decreased by 3 to 4-fold relative to control after two weeks of cricket consumption. In addition to decreased LAB, bacteria in the genus Acidaminococcus were reduced more than 3-fold with cricket consumption.
>Moreover, chitooligosaccharides were previously shown to have potent inhibitory activity against Lactobacillus69, and chitosan, the deacetylated form of chitin, has antimicrobial activity against Lactobacillus spp. responsible for beer spoilage in breweries70. This suggests that treatment with chitin and chitosan may also exert effects on the microbiota through antimicrobial activity. Long-term impacts of cricket consumption on LAB require further investigation.
You reply as if you're going to have a choice
I vill eat ze bugs
I vill live in ze pod
Und I vill give you eggs
Love them poultry. Thank you from saving us from a life unliveable.
When I was a lad I ate four dozen eggs every morning to help me get large
But now I've grown up, I eat five dozen eggs, so I'm roughly the size of a BAAAARGE
now this is important and science backed information. makes me seriously doubt the validity of insects as protein sources.
Vitamins will take too long with all the annoying unit conversions. In the future I'll put it in excel.
It seems, that chicken and mealworms are comparable in vitamin Bs.
Mealworms win in vitamin C and vitamin E.
The study you're citing on mealworm protein was examining DRY WEIGHT from freeze-dried samples, but you're comparing it to whole chicken which still has moisture you.
You should be comparing amino acid composition on a dry weight basis, not dry weight vs fresh or cooked.
100g of freeze-dried chicken is 90% protein, whereas your mealworms constitute around 30% fat by weight when freeze-dried. You should be multiplying the amino acid numbers for chicken by around 3.5x to get comparable figures.
see anon, you're a step behind.
I don't eat a freeze dried chicken breast of 100grams and I do eat dried bugs of 100grams.
So when comparing food we VILL eat, my comparison is correct.
>my comparison is correct.
It's "correct" in the same sense that vegans who compare "100kcal of brocolli vs 100kcal of steak" to make the brocolli look favourable are correct. It's dishonest at worst and naive at best.
You're comparing amino acid ratios on completely different amounts of protein.
>WOW HOW REVOLUTIONARY, 50G OF BUG PROTEIN HAS MORE AMINO ACIDS THAN 25G OF CHICKEN PROTEIN, GUESS I WILL EAT ZE BUGS AND LIVE IN ZE POD AFTER ALL
If you want to eat miserably for some misguided notion of efficiency, you can get freeze dried meat pellets with superior amino acid levels to your bugs, infinintely more digestible for your body, and without 60% of the calories coming from fat.
>100kcal of brocolli vs 100kcal of steak
Not it's not. if you do this and look at the amino acids, steak definitely wins.
I don't eat freeze dried chicken anon, so that would be a bad comparison. As for the purpose of this, I'm trying to work out what is more nutritious, chicken or ze bugs based on consumption.
Which is why digestible amino acids is something that is a valid criticism.
Dried vs wet composition or dried vs dried is not what we're discussing here.
But you know what? I'd have to cook the chicken to make it edible. So I should have used the cooked chicken example.
The comparison without taking into digestion, is still similar.
>I don't eat freeze dried chicken anon, so that would be a bad comparison
I eat biltong which wipes the floor with your disgusting freeze dried bugs. Better amino acids for less than half the calories.
>The comparison without taking into digestion, is still similar.
Why the FUCK would you compare the nutritional merits of foods without accounting for digestibility / bioavailability?
angry people are more likely to reply to a thread.
Plus I have more ammo now against actual bug shills, which wouldn't have happened if I didn't make the thread.
On the internet, being retarded and pretending to be retarded are indistinguishable, ergo there is no difference.
I'd have to correct all the amino acid results by times ratio of the PDCASS score.
If I can even find one of mealworms.
The research on digestibility of insects is not that frequent. And this is the best I could find within a limited time.
This uses pigs and chickens so result may differ.
I'm going use pigs as pigs organs are similar humans despite being different sizes.
I'm going to use the most conservative estimate of 0.66 (rounded).
Not sure if this is how it works, but here you go.
Tryptophan - chicken: 283mg | Mealworm: 260mg * 0.66 = 171.6
Threonine - chicken: 1009mg | Mealworm: 2150mg = 1419
Isoleucine - chicken: 1104mg | Mealworm: 1970mg = 1300.2
leucine - chicken: 1861mg | Mealworm: 2970mg = 1960.2
lysine - chicken: 2163mg | Mealworm: 3230mg = 2131.8
Methionine - chicken: 585mg | Mealworm: 590mg = 389.34
Cystine - chicken: 236mg | Mealworm: 550mg = 363
Phenylalanine - chicken: 908mg | Mealworm: 1880mg = 1240.8
Tyrosine - chicken: 810mg | Mealworm: 3500mg = 2310
Valine - chicken: 1165mg | Mealworm: 3440mg = 2720.4
Hisidine - chicken: 839mg | Mealworm: 2240mg = 1478.4
Even if we use the ratio of cooked peas, 0.6, ze bugs still out perform chicken in most of the categories. Provided the radio applies to each equally.
>Even if we use the ratio of cooked peas, 0.6, ze bugs still out perform chicken in most of the categories. Provided the radio applies to each equally.
You're still comparing different quantities of protein to begin with. No-one you're trying to communicate the benefits to cares that you personally eat freeze dried bugs, they care about a like-for-like comparison.
Compare the amino acids for equal amounts of protein, or compare the amino acids for the equal calories consumed. Anything else is irrelevant cope or an attempt to deliberately mislead.
The statement "50g of bug protein has X more amino acids than 25g of chicken protein" is as arbitrary and worthless as "a steak has more protein than a grain of rice".
okay lets run some more numbers.
The ratio of protein total mass to total mass for Mealworm is 0.4861
Corrected it is ~0.3208 due to 0.6600 digestion ratio.
The ratio of protein total mass to total mass for chicken is 0.2300
0.3208 - 0.2300 = 0.0908
Assume total protein mass to total mass scales linearly.
Correcting chicken to the same protein mass as ze bugs is 100g + 9.08g, equaling 109.08g, now chicken at 109.08g has the same protein total mass as digestible ze bugs at 100g.
Remembering that chicken has a digestible ratio of 1.0, so we can adjust all chicken values by an increase of 9.08%.
Tryptophan - chicken: 283mg * 1.09 = 308.47 | Mealworm: 260mg * 0.66 = 171.60
Threonine - chicken: 1009mg = 1099.81 | Mealworm: 2150mg = 1419.00
Isoleucine - chicken: 1104mg = 1203.36 | Mealworm: 1970mg = 1300.20
leucine - chicken: 1861mg = 2028.49 | Mealworm: 2970mg = 1960.20
lysine - chicken: 2163mg = 2357.67 | Mealworm: 3230mg = 2131.80
Methionine - chicken: 585mg = 637.65 | Mealworm: 590mg = 389.34
Cystine - chicken: 236mg = 257.24 | Mealworm: 550mg = 363.00
Phenylalanine - chicken: 908mg = 989.72 | Mealworm: 1880mg = 1240.80
Tyrosine - chicken: 810mg = 882.90 | Mealworm: 3500mg = 2310
Valine - chicken: 1165mg = 1269.85 | Mealworm: 3440mg = 2720.40
Hisidine - chicken: 839mg = 914.51 | Mealworm: 2240mg = 1478.40
yeah so, correcting the values, chicken does better. But mealworms still do very well.
When I get back I'll do it dollar amount value.
Comparing "ratio of protein to total mass" is MEANINGLESS when most of the mass in chicken is WATER, compared to freeze-dried bugs with virtually zero water mass and considerable amounts of fat.
When you eat chicken you also fill up on the water mass. The bottom bound for the driest chicken jerky is 10% moisture.
But I don't know anyone who eats chicken jerky.
Okay have it your way. I'll do financials next.
74.65% of chicken is water by mass https://tools.myfooddata.com/recipe-nutrition-calculator/171077/100g/1.
Fresh larvae contain 53.00% water https://www.researchgate.net/publication/338504621_Nutrient_Composition_of_Mealworm_Tenebrio_molitor
If I take 100grams including the water of each, and reduce their water weights to 0%. Then their new weights are
The ratio of protein total mass to total mass for Mealworm is 0.4861
The ratio of protein total mass to total mass for chicken is 0.2300
Chicken Protein = 25.3500 * 0.2300 = 5.8305g
mealworm Protein = 47.0000 * 0.4861 = 22.8467g
now the equivalent amount of chicken mass required to equal the same amount of mealworm protein.
22.8467/5.8305 is ~3.9185g (induced a small rounding error using this method)
Now increasing the total mass of chicken by this ratio we get a total mass of dried chicken is 25.3500g * 3.9185 = 99.3340g for ~22.85g of protein
(kind of weird how the ratio of dry weight of chicken corrected to equal mealworm protein is almost equal to its original mass wet mass)
Now lets correct all protein values by our new factor... continued
Tryptophan - chicken: 283mg * 3.9185 = 1108.9355 | Mealworm: 260mg * 0.66 = 171.60
Threonine - chicken: 1009mg = 3953.7665 | Mealworm: 2150mg = 1419.00
Isoleucine - chicken: 1104mg = 4326.0240 | Mealworm: 1970mg = 1300.20
leucine - chicken: 1861mg = 7292.3285 | Mealworm: 2970mg = 1960.20
lysine - chicken: 2163mg = 8475.7155 | Mealworm: 3230mg = 2131.80
Methionine - chicken: 585mg = 2292.3225 | Mealworm: 590mg = 389.34
Cystine - chicken: 236mg = 924.7660 | Mealworm: 550mg = 363.00
Phenylalanine - chicken: 908mg = 3557.9980 | Mealworm: 1880mg = 1240.80
Tyrosine - chicken: 810mg = 3173.9840 | Mealworm: 3500mg = 2310
Valine - chicken: 1165mg = 4565.0525 | Mealworm: 3440mg = 2720.40
Hisidine - chicken: 839mg = 3287.6215 | Mealworm: 2240mg = 1478.40
Dunno, this seems a little high tbh. Probably fucked something up. Hopefully one of you autists will tell me.
Obviously chicken does better. You can also correct by 1.10 for chicken jerky if you want to know.
>correct by 1.10
no you can't. That would be wrong. You'd have to get the total mass of a chicken with 10% water mass first.
Ah fuck I really did fucked this one up. I'll fix it in a bit
Yeah found the problem. Been up since 6am aussie time.
For this i'm going to keep the adjusted mealworm to account for digestion (remembering that check was a 1.0 digestion ratio)
What I missed is that you have to correct ALL values for the new adjusted protein
and then times the chicken values by 3.9185
Tryptophan - chicken: 283mg * 0.2300 = 65.0900 * 3.9185 = 255.0552 | Mealworm: 260mg * 0.66 = 171.6 * 0.4861 = 83.4148
Threonine - chicken: 1009mg * 0.2300 = 232.0700 * 3.9185 = 900.3663 | Mealworm: 2150mg * 0.66 = 1419 * 0.4861 = 689.7759
Isoleucine - chicken: 1104mg * 0.2300 = 253.9200 * 3.9185 = 994.955 | Mealworm: 1970mg * 0.66 = 1300.2 * 0.4861 = 632.0272
leucine - chicken: 1861mg * 0.2300 = 428.0300 * 3.9185 = 1677.2356 | Mealworm: 2970mg * 0.66 = 1960.2 * 0.4861 = 952.8532
lysine - chicken: 2163mg * 0.2300 = 497.4900 * 3.9185 = | Mealworm: 3230mg * 0.66 = 2131.8 * 0.4861 = 1036.2680
Methionine - chicken: 585mg * 0.2300 = 134.5500 * 3.9185 = 1949.4146 | Mealworm: 590mg * 0.66 = 389.34 * 0.4861 = 189.2582
Cystine - chicken: 236mg * 0.2300 = 54.2800 * 3.9185 = 212.6962 | Mealworm: 550mg * 0.66 = 363 * 0.4861 = 176.4543
Phenylalanine - chicken: 908mg * 0.2300 = 208.8400 * 3.9185 = 818.3395 | Mealworm: 1880mg * 0.66 = 1240.8 * 0.4861 = 603.1529
Tyrosine - chicken: 810mg * 0.2300 = 186.3000 * 3.9185 = 730.0166 | Mealworm: 3500mg * 0.66 = 2310 * 0.4861 = 1122.8100
Valine - chicken: 1165mg * 0.2300 = 267.9500 * 3.9185 = 1049.9621 | Mealworm: 3440mg * 0.66 = 2720.4 * 0.4861 = 1322.3864
Hisidine - chicken: 839mg * 0.2300 = 192.9700 * 3.9185 = 756.1529 | Mealworm: 2240mg * 0.66 = 1478.4 * 0.4861 = 718.6502
This should be digestion adjusted, water weight adjusted values. Although I still don't really agree you should have to adjust for water weight.
Protein adjusted is going to take a bit more effort and frankly, I also don't really care for the protein adjustment either as you're still eating 100g.
>lysine - chicken: 2163mg * 0.2300 = 497.4900 * 3.9185 =
No, this is the protein adjusted also.
mealworms still do very well.
now do per kcal
and then per £/$
pound per dollar is trick as I can easily get per pound chicken data https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/APU0000FF1101?amp%253bdata_tool=XGtable&output_view=data&include_graphs=true
But I can't find a reliable per pound mealworm value that's current and not a cherry picked value from a website.
To do this I'm going to have to think of a equivalent way of getting chicken/lb prices and mealworm/lb prices (otherwise it won't be accurate at all)
Alright I think I have it, going to take me amount 1 and 1/2 hours and I'm running out of steam.
PRICE per gram of protein or PROTEIN per kcal of food eaten.
>But I can't find a reliable per pound mealworm value that's current and not a cherry picked value from a website.
What do you mean? Whatever price you can find it available to purchase for you, personally will do.
I can find mealworm powder online for as expensive as 13 euro or as "cheap" as 6 euros or $6.38US per 100g.
I'll even let you use the cheapest mealworm for human consumption that you can find for sale, that's the opposite of cherrypicking. Find the cheapest version possible.
>Find the cheapest version possible
Cherry picking the highest or lowest value of anything for some reason, is going to add bias in the data.
I'm going to create a distribution of prices for both chicken and mealworms, and pick the median.
To do this I'm going to use the google shop REST api and fetch shopping prices for both chicken and mealworms. The challenge here is that I may not be able to extract the quantity accurately using string manipulation (as I will need to correct it to be per lb), so I'm hoping google api also has a solution for this.
>Cherry picking the highest or lowest value of anything for some reason, is going to add bias in the data.
When we're talking about the economic aspect of two different food sources, comparing the cheapest versions available is absolutely valid.
picking the median value of the price range of both is completely arbitrary and will introduce even more confounding factors, like the median price of the chicken being trended higher by all the "organic heirloom breed outdoor raised" chickens that sell for several times the price of broiler chickens.
Pick the cheapest version of each foodstuff that you can buy
>Pick the cheapest version of each foodstuff that you can buy
Several problems with this
- I don't know if I've found the local maxima
- You can't buy these food items from the same vendor each with their own slapped on costs (distribution, profit, taxes...)
At least if I had a distribution I could pick a random value from the bottom, the middle or top percentile.
But fine I'll do your naive way of getting the result. I need some time to make a program to do all of this shit automatically so I can continuously btfo food shills.
How are you going to ensure that your mealworm results are for mealworms approved for human consumption, and not the kind sold for bait or reptile feeding?
yeah that's a genuine concern I have with the data. I'm probably going to lookup to see what the differences are if any.
>When you eat chicken you also fill up on the water mass.
This is offset by your water consumption to help you chew and swallow your freeze dried bugs
based and correct
supreme diabolical gayry
Lets say we farm bugs at the same capacity as beef.
How do you inject them with the antibiotics and hormones needed to facilitate hygiene on a industrial scale farm?
How do you insure no parasites take hold, that we don't have another cows madness or swine flu?
How do you keep bugs the size of a thumb from escaping their farmland, potentially carrying deadly diseases?
And this is just hygiene, not even talking about nutritional value, processing time and so on.
Also, you retards need to shill this here, so I can bet it's not a good idea.
No one ever had to shill wheat or beef to us.
This is a nutrition thread anon. If you want to discuss the challenges of farming ze bugs vs farming beef, then make another thread.
there is no partition in nutrition v. farming
if nutrition and farming were the same thing they would be called nutrition or farming.
Farming is outside the scope of this thread.
Efficient farming is really just an engineering problem.
Man's just asked a question jesus fuck
Sorry, meant for
don't care i'm not eating bugs or reading your gnomish science
Mine chicken vill eat ze bugs, I Vill eat zee eggs, I Vill drink ze milk.
can you actually get chicken milk?
I will skin you alive in the hot sun and let ze bugs eat your still warm, glistening flesh as you beg me to kill you. I will let them lay their eggs on your still breathing corpse until they hatch, keeping you alive every step of the way; you will go delirious from the level of agony and despair you are in, you will call for death but no one will answer. After the larvae are developed and you’re body is nearly dead, I shall harvest all the larvae and make YOU eat ze bugs. Then I will discard your corpse and have a nice tall glass of whole milk, a fat juicy steak, and some eggs.
I like your way of thinking.
As a carnivore, I like to eat meat, sure, but mealworms get a passing grade for me because I like their dried form. Nice and crunchy, with a nutty taste. I wouldn't mind eating these for a light snack, but they're far from filling like good fatty beef is.
i'd rather eat rats thanks
I have no problems with bugs being used as additives. I'm not going to eat a plate full of crickets or some shit. But if you process them and break them down into powder to add to something else without noticeably changing the taste/texture, okay. Even better if it's only mentioned on the ingredient list and not drawn attention to.
yeah nah tomorrow It's fuckin bed time
>you will eat ze bugz!1!1
>you will not eat ze bugz!!
post physiques you retarded autistic dyels and stfu
The furthest I’ll go is a bug protein bar, not giving up eggs and meat ever, you will have to kill me. Anyone farm chickens here? Thinking about getting some once I get a place I can put a coop up on, maybe 7-8 laying hens. How hard are they to maintain/what’s the biggest hurdle with them?
I fully support eating bugs. Not for me, for others. Meat prices go down, libtards suffer, win win. Who knows, maybe gm crickets willed with Tren will be a thing?
This seethe about other people's lives is needy and cucky. Let em do whatever, no one's forcing you to eat bugs. If they do, I assure you even in Ontario, canuckistan people will riot.
>Meat prices go down
Less will be produced, prices will be stagnant, or higher, but not lower.
>Let em do whatever, no one's forcing you to eat bugs. If they do, I assure you even in Ontario, canuckistan people will riot.
same stuff with homo and trans propaganda. nobody in the 80s would have thought that people would not riot if they did what they do today.
not a diss, but prepare, anon.
I will never eat the bugs. I will keep eating chicken and broccoli and hating the antichrist like a normal well adjusted person. digits and wingsofredemption fucks your mom in the ass