evolutionary biology can't explain why women prefer sharp faces and hollow cheeks. In a natural setting being shredded means you're a bad provider and suck at hunting. I'm saying this as someone with a face so sharp I cut myself every time I clean shave
that's a good point. at some point we can't just keep ad hocing everything to biology at least in the functional sense. although biologist have observed animal sexual selection as a different component which influences evolution. for example that one deer with the massive antlers that went extict and the only logical explanation was that females would only fuck the giga hung antler chads until it became so dysgenic that the whole species went extict because of it
Sounds a lot like online dating
>that one deer with the massive antlers that went extict and the only logical explanation was that females would only fuck the giga hung antler chads until it became so dysgenic that the whole species went extict because of it
holy (incel) cope
it had antlers 3 meters in width. it could not carry them
>it had antlers 3 meters in width. it could not carry them
very sadge.
but really tho, do we know that the females go for the antlers or is it rather that something else which just happens to correlate with antler size makes them go wild?
And besides, those deer aren't to gifted when it comes to abstract reasoning, I recon. So you can't expect them to knowingly avoid specific traits, if the relevant shit like pheromones check out.
You of course avoid big mommy milkers despite being drawn in by their mesmerizing jiggle becaue you KNOW that indulging them would steer mankind towards becoming dysgenic cow-people, right anon?
>And besides, those deer aren't to gifted when it comes to abstract reasoning, I recon. So you can't expect them to knowingly avoid specific traits
just as our eyes/pussies/dicks arent.
Same thing happened to saber tooth tigers, gay
>In a natural setting being shredded means you're a bad provider and suck at hunting
How many gallons of milk did you mainline today?
Keked at this. I don't think it's even funny but I'm still laughing.
Same reason why high t men are preferred while it kills men. If you exist,it means you have the ability or resources to survive.
I've found its easier to shave the sharp jawline by pulling the skin up,like to the cheeks . Impossible to shave close to the jaw without bleeding .
The amount of false shit on this dumbfuck board is astounding.
Sharp face signals:
-high hormones levels
-symmetry (health)
There were no fat (virtually) people before advances in farming. Meaning.. every one is skinny and if you have sharp features you signal the things mentioned above.
Evolution cares about mating primarily. If high T kills you later in life faster it doesn't matter because:
1. You've already procreated
2. You've already likely raised your offspring
Same reason why balding wasn't phased out. People typically show signs of balding after typical (historically speaking) procreation age.
thank you for having a brain
>Meaning.. every one is skinny
weird how every caveman replica looks like it has 15% bf. there are hunter gatherers at that bf%
today so who knows.
We have 1 perfect specimen and that is ötzi. Look up his bf%.
Also test levels have lowered even in indigenous populations. They are also affected by pollution.
average BMI of paleolithic hunter gatherers in europe was 21 and below
>muh high t
Women want low t cucks that can they control
You just cucks who confuse feminine and masculine features
>Women want low t cucks that can they control
not for mating
women use cucks to extract money
for mating women want men that they consider higher status than them
>evolution
Yeah made up bullshit doesn't work, who knew
haha nah bro it’s evolution bro having a sharp face meant you were a hunter and provider and women are biologically attracted to that in 2023 because they’re wired that way from the caveman days trust me
I bet you also believe earth is flat, dinosaurs didn't exist and CICO is bs
Nice ad hominem Einstein but fyi dinosaurs are the dumbest shit anyone has ever believed
>believing this is all imagination after finding big bones in the desert
bro, you know shit abut paleontology. Stop typing and avoid embarrassing yourself.
I ~~*believe the science*~~ but would someone who understands paleontology please explain how they can so confidently extrapolate entire new species out of tiny fragments. Perhaps its not a newly discovered pygmy/giant version of a T rex, perhaps its just a baby one? Or a particularly big one?
Saw an article that says just that. Most scientists are coming to the conclusion that subspecies that were catalogued were just young. Paleontology has there head up their own ass just like any doctor. Definitely don't look up soft tissue found in dinosaur fossils.
Trust the science!!
>DUDE I BET YOU'RE EXACTLY LIKE THE STRAWMAN I MADE OF YOU
A Sharp face and hollow cheeks indicate good facial development as a child, its also the opposite of being bloated, which is a sign of poor health.
This. What people often forget is that jaw, both muscles and the bone, respond to the higb test. Same with shoulder. People with high test will always have chard jaw and wide shoulder.
What is more, you don't need fat when there is an absence of food. Animals begin to store fat befor the winter only when their vitamin d levels drops. Otherwise extra fat is a burden and you need to be active and with lots of muscles to compete for mating.
Besides, for the past few milebias fat meant only that the person has a low imoulse control, which is a bad provider.
>In a natural setting being shredded means you're a bad provider and suck at hunting
What? You do realise that our hunter gatherer ancestors weren't fat...this idea that a good provider is some fat guy is something only an American can come up with. Hunters had to run usually long distances and in reality most only had around 2,000 calories per day on average. They had massive jaws because they weren't eating processed food and were spending a shit tonne amount of time just chewing their food. They also had a body fat percentage low enough for their jawlines to be visible.
This
Let's be honest, her having nice tits and being in good shape with nice curves is a bonus, it doesn't compensate for a good face. I'd take a plank with a 9/10 face over big titty girls anyways.
>There were no fat (virtually) people before advances in farming
Tbis
Pretty people are attractive. Girls like pretty eboys but as they age they prefer someone who still looks their own age. When you're a young eboy, your floppy hair and smooth skin can compensate for your weak jaw but you can't pull that shit in your late 20s and beyond. They start preferring guys with a stubble and without the ridiculous zoomer hairstyle, your jaw is way more important. The funny thing is the top tier eboys usually morph into the alpha Chads women in their later years prefer.
However there's retards out there who nitpick which features women find attractive and apply it to themselves
>40 year old bald guy with a punisher sticker on his vehicle who unironically thinks Kratos is the hottest thing to a woman
>effeminate millennials painting their nails and acting gay because [insert literal who] does it and gets female attention
Its also kinda sad how nowadays almost every conversation online inevitably turns into "what do women like" or "how do I get laid".
Does it really matter? Can't it just be that it looks hot? Who cares beyond that point anyway? It's the same thing when it comes to women and their hip to waist ratio and how "men are more attracted to a specific ratio because child birth and shit". Like, bro, I don't give a fuck about that shit. The only thing I care about is if her face looks hot. I don't care about the biological reasoning behind it. I just know I like it, and that's good enough for me.
well not everyone is a dumbass moron satisfied with their ignorance, sorry
Yes they are. Everyone is. You included. I'm just sayin' that I don't really care about the underlying reason for why I might find something attractive. Again, a good-looking face is all I care about and all I need. I don't give a fuck about an "hourglass figure" or "birthing hips" or features that serve as a sign that a woman is "fertile". I just care about facial structure, and that's it. Doesn't need to be any more complex than that. 🙂
>I don't give a fuck about an "hourglass figure" or "birthing hips" or features that serve as a sign that a woman is "fertile".
you do, and the fact that you think you don't care about it doesn't change the fact that your dick and brain care
You do unless you're severely genetically defective.
NO I HAVE TO RATIONALIZE THIS ACCORDING TO GENETICS SO I CAN TELL ANONS ONLINE THEY WILL ALWAYS BE INFERIOR TO ME, OKAY?
morons don't care about face you guys will fuck anything
High test correlates with low bodyfat
source?
I've blasted test
The fat starts to melt itself
Kek nice proof you fucking retard
Read my post
I'm not a armchair scientist, I talk from the experience
Retard
Not that guy, but abdominal fat correlates with natural test. reduction.
Then why can’t I even pop a boner every time I’m cutting?
Because you're not eating enough for your body to believe you're not starving. You're cutting too hard and your body is going into starvation mode because of it. So you're producing less test.
>it's meaningl-
its a sign of intellect which is why only whites have it
t. never saw a korean man
Do all women in Korea prefer kpop twinks to this phentoype? Or is the feminine look just popular with teens?
>Do all women in Korea prefer kpop twinks to this phentoype?
most of the young ones do, that's why koreans artists shave down their jaw bones
Ethnic men still get mogged by the white man's facial depth and deep set eyes
switching the argument I see, spoken like a true retard
>conversations cannot evolve past the original topic
I'm agreeing that non white men have sharp faces
first you asserted that ONLY white men can have hollow cheeks, implied it was due to intellect, got BTFO, then switched it up to:
>well we look better and shieet
i bet you dont even have deep set eyes
>only whites have it
defined jaws and cheekbones aren't exclusive to white men but if you compare this black man's cranium/forehead to the white and asian dudes posted in this thread, you'll quickly understand why Africa did not put a man on the moon
Why is he a Jaffa?
>In a natural setting being shredded means you're a bad provider and suck at hunting.
Listen, Satan. None of our hunter-gatherer forebears ever had enough to eat to get fat. A well-defined jawline is indicative of good genes, and getting fat can transform the face to make it unattractive.
Yeah, if you look at random african tribesmen they are very lean
Because it's a sign of high testosterone. Deep voice is the same thing, there's no actual evolutionary advantage to having a deep voice other than attracting mates. Deep voice is of course also 100% based on your testosterone levels during puberty.
>In a natural setting being shredded means you're a bad provider and suck at hunting.
Being shredded isn't the same thing as being emaciated
being shredded means you're under 10% bf. healthy bf% is between 15 and 10
it's between 10 and 20, don't be hating on us chunky 4pack boys
>evolutionary biology
Astrology for incels. It's just people believing theories because they sound convenient.
No woman finds this attractive, retard.
puffy faces = estrogenic and neotenic (babyfat), therefore more desirable for females
forgot image
I actually prefer right, honestly.
you prefer women who look like chuds?
holy cope
Lmao nope. I'm extremely good looking and people remind me of this all the time. I'm not impressed by this gay little creature.
>I'm extremely good looking and people remind me of this all the time. I'm not impressed by this gay little creature.
>this men doesn't fit my type therefore he is ugly
Oh boy, women and logic really don't go together.
I'm a man. I don't know why you thought otherwise.
he does look androgynous, hes got both masculinity+femininity, so thats understandable. low masculinity would be jonny depp or elias ronenfelt. masculinity below 4 but 0 fem. what about these two tho
also u can google htlv team spirit csgo and htlv heroic csgo if u wanna see more extreme of barrett where femininity exceeds masculinity. u will easily find 1 on each easily for sure
its hltv not htlv btw
You realize that all women above 5/10 are called extremely beautiful all the time, right? Like as long as you look like you know how to wash your pussy and youre under 26, society will act enamored with you
>you prefer women who look like chuds?
Yes. 🙂
Nope. Literally don't care. Give me a chick with an ugly body and a hot face and I'm all set. A chick with a hot body and an ugly face does nothing for me.
>it doesn't change the fact that your dick and brain care
But they don't. My dick and brain priorotize the face over the body, since I'm an incredibly vain person and a beautful face is the most important thing in this world and to me. But please, keep telling me that I'm somehow wrong about something that I literally can't be wrong about. 'Cause clearly you know me better than I do, obviously.
>Give me a chick with an ugly body and a hot face and I'm all set. A chick with a hot body and an ugly face does nothing for me.
yes, and if i give you a chick with a hot body and a hot face and you'll fall head over heels for her
>you prefer women who look like chuds?
yeah my dude, attractive trans girls are kino
The fuck?
Tragic. Cute girl transforms into Aerosmith lookalike
>24 *poof* 25
THE WALL IS REAL!!!
It's not her age, she's just vegan and british
>vegan
>british
>buccal fat removal
>likely sold soul to satan
Huh, Eliot Page detransitioned?
I'm not convinced that women want that ayylmao looking motherfucker 2bqh.
i dont know where fat powershitters got this idea about evolution--ive heard it before from normies--that ancient hunters were fat. its hilarious. in the extreme north of europe, in the winter, maybe hunters were 15-20 percent bodyfat. That is still not "fat," and a good portion was probably muscle, and they most definitely wouldnt have had a problem shredding down naturally come spring. thats just for the north of europe though. but look at modern day hunter gatherers--all lean with six packs. but ancient european hunters used traps you say. yeah, persistance hunting wasnt as common probably, yet even laying traps and stalking animals requires you to be hiking a lot of the day over various terrain, with possibly short bursts of sprinting. all of that to say, successful ancient hunters would not resemble modern fat people
>but look at modern day hunter gatherers
>all lean with six packs
kek
you're a delusional retard
Those "indigenous tribes" are glorified tourist attractions. They parade for the camera then go back to their huts where they cook with factory-made ironware and eat out of plastic bowls. It's a charade.
evolutionary psychology explains it from point of outside world+survival, but forgets pleasure. these two arent same.
give or take what matters is whats affordable, doing as ur dick or pussy says wasnt always granted and u could argue it still really isnt 100%
Evolution is bunk simple as
>In a natural setting being shredded means you're a bad provider and suck at hunting.
Utter nonsense. Having low bf while not being a skelly means
a) you have enough to eat, which means you're a good hunter/gatherer
b) your body was able to turn that food into muscle instead of just fat, which means that you have good genetics (high testosterone!) and that you are physically active (so healthy) enough to build muscle instead of being sedentary and building fat mass.
Women preferring leanness is also a way to select against older men. As men get older, their natural testosterone levels drop, which makes them less muscular and fatter. Since the chance of genetic defects increases with the father's age (not as extremely as with the mother's age, but still noticably), this is another valid biological reason why bodyfat isn't desirable in men. Same reason as to why young women don't like bald men - it's a sign of age.
women love sharp faces with hollow cheeks even if you have low muscle mass. in almost all men peak facial attractiveness is achieved at below 10% bf but healthy bf% is between 10% and 15%
>in almost all men peak facial attractiveness is achieved at below 10% bf but healthy bf% is between 10% and 15%
yes just like a girl is most attractive when her BMI is closer to 18
Zero proof of the man’s age negatively affecting children and women are rather notorious for wanting to screw older men
It's because strong jawlines meant you ate more (food was MUCH tougher, which chewing for hours made insane jawlines) so if you ate a lot of food, it meant you were a higher social class. You were also healthier.
I have a face like this. Too bad I'm too nervous to get laid with it.
Pls have a nice day with all this gay feminine shit
Imagine Caring about what people think or want
Literal low t bitch behavior
>In a natural setting being shredded means you're a bad provider and suck at hunting
No. In a natural setting the men are shredded because they move around all day and need a good mix of endurance and strength. Having more than ~15%bf makes you noticeably more sluggish in any sustained activity.
Being fat is a privilege brought about by the agricultural revolution.
being dickskin shredded is gross though, 5-10 bf% imo is the best range
>In a natural setting being shredded means you're a bad provider and suck at hunting
No, it shows you have a high protein diet, which means you're a good hunter, or your clan is good hunters.
Anyone ever see a perfectly symmetrical face and think "yeah that's too much"?
Nobody says that.
His face isn't perfectly symmetrical there are micro differences which makes it more attractive. Turly "perfect" faces look boring to look at.
his or her?
>me have sharp face
>me have hollow cheeks
>me good hunter
>me children healthy, strong
>they eat good, have lots of energy to grow big bones
>me children get in fight
>punches do not reach eyes, important
>big bones show good hunt, protect from hit
>me children can protect woman
>they can hunt good too, born many children
It can explain. Women are STILL attracted the ogre bloat lords. Sharp and lean features are only attractive in a modern sense because leanness can still be maintained without sacrificing the means of acquiring resources. In the modern sense, the lean Instagram boy is able to acquire more resources than an ugly ogre bloat lord.
But, if you suddenly turned every bit of technology off, your lean Instagram boy would get his head bashed in by a huge muscular ogre. All the women surrounding him would instantly become aroused uncontrollably and bear the ogre's children. That's literally how the warlords of old got their way
In reality the ogre bloatlord suffers from ED because high bodyfat inhibits circulation and they get cucked by the lean guy
you are probably gay
>Women are STILL attracted the ogre bloat lords.
the % of women who're attracted to bloatlords is so small it's insignificant
>why are women attracted to aryan features
Good jawline is probably the most defining facial feature you can have, It mean you had proper and healthy facial growth (No mouth breathing or teeth problems)+High Test/Bone density+Low bodyfat
>It mean you had proper and healthy facial growth (No mouth breathing or teeth problems)
i was a mouth breather until I was like 9 or 10 and had AWFUL teeth development, used braces from 9 to 11, took off the braces mid-treatment because I went to live in the middle of nowhere, became a shut-in incel, slept 4 hours a night and ate less than 1600kcal, was 5'8 and 110lbs at age 15 and I have a strong jawline anyways, and i walk around at ~18-20% bodyfat
sometimes all you have to do is play action games and look at the protagonist and think "he just like me fr fr" and your face will mold itself into a chad face
i have crooked teeth and gap between upper front teeth but still very good facial development
No you dont
It means you had high t and healthy puberty to grow into a warrior skull mogger. It's the same reason men like big boobs on women but reversed. High t= square chin
>all alpha males are bisexual.
projecting fag
they are tho, at least in most mammals.
That's so untrue lol
even op picrel is gay(even exclusively).
that's because he's australian.
fair point, I concede.
Yes it can. Those are high testosterone features. It would have been extremely difficult for the vast majority of people to get fat on a hunter gatherer diet regardless of the shape of their facial features
Something that I don't understand is I'm somebody with a really lean face and have a jaw even at 20% bf, and no matter how skinny I look, the most girl attention I get is when I'm lean asfk. When I'm at like 10% I look skeletal in clothes but girls like it most, even then when I'm a lot bigger and bulked up. It's like the skinnier I look, the more chicks dig me. It makes me not want to bulk and I feel like a Holocaust victim when I'm that skinny and feel weak yet I get female attention left and right.
If I wasn't natty it be great but I hate feeling small and weak and looking tiny in clothes and looking like a crackhead tweeker who family ask I'm sick or eating at all, only to have chicks dig tf out of me. Girls are weird
>Girls are weird
yeah, upgrade to women. they did the man of steel dad bod. also gays.
I was talking about woman brah
10 % bf is still healthy for some men. maybe you just have to lift more and get used to it
I'm tall and lanky so at 10% unless I'm shirtless , every one just assumes I'm super skinny especially cause my facial bones get exposed like crazy. Seriously I look like a drugged out skater but the chicks dig it
Try lifting
I do. I hit above 1/2/3/4 for the most part
It's sort of an error in the code, being fat makes it look like your face and body is bloated and inflamed. In nature it would have been so rare to get obese that there is no need to be attracted to it.
high T features imply you're more aggressive and muscular
basically that shape face means you look like you can beat fuck out of other men
It's evidence of masculinity and maturity. Yes, logically a fat dude must have an abundance of resources so SHOULD make an attractive mate, but sexual attraction doesn't operate on cold hard logic. Chubby, rounded features and body type are associated with women, children, and the sick or very old, and that doesn't signal great genes to pass on.
It's a sign of having a good bone sctructure, hence it's more unlikely you get physically injured.
It may also indicate you're not endomorph, being fat is a huge disadvantage for an hunter.
Generally talking diets based on meat and berries contain few lipids so having chubby faces is unlickely even for most skilled hunters who ate more food.
Finally stronger sharp traits create a sense of (facial) visual symmetry perceived as the total opposite of being deformed, something associated with being ill and being physically weaker.
Biology proved again that evolutionism and genetic traits diffusion are correlated showing how those with sharp lines in facial structure fuck more women than fat chubby incels.
its a youth surrogate. a sign of youth. older people are fattier thus fat and wobbly = old
simple as.
t. never seen a baby before
teenage men are usually skinny as fuck and have sharp facial features, you basically see every muscle. if you look at the same guy in his late 30s he will have a rounder, fattier face
you can see it really good in pic related
di caprio's face looks fatter because he IS fatter. he's like a solid 50lbs heavier than he was in his 20s.
ever heard of facial fat atrophy from aging? if you stay at same bf% you'll lose baby fat as you age. that's why some women fill their face with fat
two different types of fat idiot
sharper facial features means bigger bones which helps protecting your teeth and eyes
a skullet will look like shit if he's shredded it's not a matter of bodyfat% but of bonemass
Sharp features are usually a result of low facial fat and tight skin. These both indicate youthfulness and high testosterone. And there you have it.
how do i get hollow cheeks?
Raise test. Lose body fat.
Suck dick
lose body fat.
Buccal fat removal. Thats it. Its not genetics. People are doing cosmetic surgery.
Mew and chew tough gum.
sexual selection is the Eros' reaching through time for eternity's Aphrodite
>have hollow cheeks but my ludicrously long face and beady anglo eyes means i just look like a walking corpse instead of a gigachad
>evolutionary biology can't explain
You've made the mistake of believing that mate selection and natural selection is the same, and that mate selection is eugenic by nature. It's not.
yep agree. pleasure=doesnt mean its fit for outside world, it just means its arousing. basically like music or drawing, it has no practical purpose, poosy just want it, or dick. whatever your morals are down there
pleasure principle is good way of explaining this tbh, even more so in case of humans. thinking everything is for evolutionary survival is comical
whoa there homo nobody understands what women really want and the ideal image of man is largely a male driven thing (homos)
the #1 thing women truly want is social skills and that can be linked with height and good face
well women like different kind of chads, but whatever is claimed to be best(good looking, 5 to 8 masculinity), usually just fits most womens tastes.
some guys u consider good looking are more autistic than the 5'5 car salesman and that puts them below the car salesman in terms of value
looks for women are just an easy way to filter social awareness & skills but often they are surprised how retarded 'good looking masculine' men are
it's one reason they go for the weird looking funny guy who has no shame
interesting
This
It's why most hot girls you know have average looking bfs. Fit lookism dudes our way to much emphasis on dumb stuff like this. No matter how masculine ur skull is, if you're socially awkward with low self esteem, and the average guy is funny and well socially adjusted, they will alot of the times choose the average dude.
cope harder. women don't give a shit about personality(they're NPCs). but they care about men's social status and usually men who have high social status happen to have good personality
nah women def care about personality, everyone likes a laugh for sure. their pussy however is not too different from our dick.
and we will see it go upwards, as life gets easier. if it gets harder, it will decline.
Women laugh at jokes said by high status people regardless of their humorous value, and vice versa.
Stop being wilfully ignorant. Have you ever been around a pack of humans?
well i dont exactly disagree, but personality somewhat matters tbh, i do agree they may laugh to show approval or not for passive agression, but in neutral situation personality more or less matters. sexual attraction is all looks tho, never sad it isnt
in neutral settings joke has to be actually funny tho.
he's referring to the idea of a gold digger working over time to get a rich guy into her so she can milk his wallet not his cock; it's just an act
fair enaugh then
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> Hey satan.
Sharper angles you are more likely to be sharp and strong, softer face = you are a weak bitch who gets their jollies off pigging out like a turd.
quite grim how majority of western women prefer men at below healthy bf% and then complain about men prefering women at healthy bf%
Thats because evolution isn't real
Why are faces like this so punchable? Every time I see a man looking like this I just eant to beat the shit out of him
because you know you're getting outcompeted by them
you're envious because they mog you to death and you're animal impulse is anger
This is because anything more that 12% is unnatural, and our female ancestors never would have encountered it. Everyone was diced when food was scarce. Maybe having a lil extra fat would have been a good sign, but evolution couldn't develop attraction to it because it just wasn't a train often displayed.
>evolutionary biology can't explain why women prefer sharp faces and hollow cheeks
of course it can, youre stupid, from now on speak/type less, listen/read/lurk more
>In a natural setting being shredded means you have healthy hormone levels.
Fixed.
You do know those hollow cheeks in the pic are from surgery right?
They go into the mouth and remove fat from the cheek.
bro u kidding right? i have hollow cheeks and didnt need surgery for it. just gotta have big zygos
I didn't say you needed surgery for hollow cheeks.
I said the guy in OPs pic got surgery to get those cheeks.
It's possible that you are not an expert on evolutionary biology.