We think of exercise as being inherently healthy - Why?
What is working out, fundamentally? It is subjecting your body to stress. Stress releases cortisol, which causes inflammation, ages you and shortens your lifespan.
Think about it. What do animals do in nature? Do they force themselves to exercise? No, they lay around all day, avoid difficulty and try to keep their body and mind in a state of comfort and low stress as much as possible. Our human habit of exercise is completely socially conditioned, unnatural and harmful.
Intense cardio exercise in particular has been shown to significantly interfere with proper hormone production, including T-levels in men. It also damages the heart severely by making it pump up to 5 gallons of volume per minute, exponentially more than your resting heart rate.
What is hypertrophy? It is your muscle adapting to stress. You subjected your muscle to intense stress so it had to adapt and get bigger so it wouldn’t get damaged again. But then you damage the same muscle again with progressively more and more stress over time! This is terrible for your body in the long run.
Exercise is completely unnatural and is killing you. You do it because artificial, ma made society and life trauma has conditioned you to be mentally ill. You have an inferiority complex and feel the need to punish yourself with exercise in order to feel like you’re “good enough”.
>Are you lean and looking better than before? STOP! Science says you might be RACIST and REPUBLICAN
>someone has an opinion
>”hmmm, should I put this person in the left wing box or the right wing box? It has to be one or the other! Everything everyone says is either about their loyalty to the blue team or the red team, there are no other possibilities!”
Fucking have a nice day subhuman NPC gay
You're obviously a gay so naturally you fall into the gay box.
holy shit i've never seen someone more clearly belong in the retard box
moron box for you
You really triggered the screaming red-blue monkeys. ME TEAM GOOD, YOU TEAM BAD.
>thinks he isn't another flavour of monkey himself
You fucked up there, then all written above in the OP is utter fake bullshit
The facts are that exercise ages you, the opinion part is that I think you shouldn’t exercise for this reason. The facts remain either way.
I have never seen a good looking man over 40 who isn’t at least somewhat fit
“At least somewhat fit” can very easily mean “eats healthy and takes leisurely walks”. It doesn’t mean they do strenuous high-stress exercise
Yea I agree I think light cardio like walking + healthy diet is more important for overall health and fitness than just lifting but most people just lift weights, eat like shit and sit on their ass the other 23 hours of the day.
Dude pic rel is the most thirsted after dude of the year by girls of all ages and he’s like 50
>Dude pic rel is the most thirsted after dude of the year by girls of all ages
>calls me a brainlet without any argument as to why what I said is wrong
>psychologists agree that expressing disagreement without a supporting argument or explaining your reasoning is a clinically reliable indicator of low IQ
Oh the irony
You have no idea what you’re talking about. Sure if you want to attract 12 year olds then go ahead and try to look like Justin Bieber forever but actual women like men
>actual women like men
Nope. There’s no part of a woman’s brain that says “I am biochemically attracted to older men because I myself am now older”. That doesn’t make any sense whatsoever. There’s no evolutionary reason why that would happen
You liked hot girls with big tits when you were 13, and you will like hot girls with big tits where you’re 103. Female attraction is no different.
You are an ugly older man coping.
Not true, women develop different tastes as they get older. I don't mean 40 year olds suddenly giving stable guys a chance btw, I mean actual attraction. 21 year old women in their prime prefer rugged and built men over pretty boys.
Your example of men liking the same thing at all ages is pretty fallacious. It's known that women's preferences change while they're ovulating, let alone years later after their tastes are more refined. Eventually women want a man, not a boy.
I’m 23 but I still know that if a man works out, stays lean, eats healthy etc then his peak attractiveness is not early 20’s. Just admit that you peaked at 20 lmfao
Triggered all the direction brain retards
BASED, this triggers the npc response 9 out of 10 times
Based, triggered lots of subhuman 4chantards
UNFATHOMABLY BASED, I must admit.
This is your brain on 4chan
Seething direction brains replied to this post. Confirming their NPC nature
a little close to the mark eh?
>psychologists agree that expressing disagreement without a supporting argument or explaining your reasoning is a clinically reliable indicator of low IQ
Ha ha, you are stupid, and now we have proof.
Think about how much of an emasculated, mentally cucked, obedient little citizen slave gay you have to be to say that “thinking that people can possibly have an opinion outside of the red vs blue binary designated opinions given to us by the mainstream media” is somehow “stupid”.
Hey RETARD, were Native American tribes Republicans or Democrats? Were bisexual, orgy-having pagans in ancient Rome who slaughtered garden gnomes and Christians liberals or conservatives? When you were an innocent, carefree child and you didn’t know what left wing or right wing meant, were you red team or blue team?
Look what they have done to you. Your mind itself is owned, defined, given purpose only by the mainstream media and political system. You are an automaton cog in the machine with no capacity for self-generated original thought of your own.
Dubs and you die instantly
You already read my initial post. It’s too late for this smug cope strategy
My onscreen text has already visually cuckolded your retina and imprinted on your brainwaves as your eyes enthusiastically darted back and forth across my typed words with sincere curiosity and interest
I am the Bull and you just mouth-prepped me
Didn't read it either
Dubs and you glug on boogie's pipe
Too many people line their views up with red and blue and feel that anyone who has an opposing opinion on a topic or shockingly, a nuanced opinion is of the opposite colour. Exercise has somehow ended up being considered a conservative passtime.
>>Are you lean and looking better than before?
How many people here have "made it" in the last 10 years? Don't kid yourself. CBTs are full of failures and steroid users.
If you’re natty it won’t hit you nearly as hard.
Also, if you run more than a couple miles a day you are 100% aging yourself at a rapid rate.
The amount of fatty copes about why they dont move their bodies is quite astonishing
I used to run 10 miles a day and am not fat so you can suck my dick.
Ever notice how long distance runners always look like dying AIDS patients?
They look gaunt because they intentionally want to be at a low weight but they don't look aged at all.
You don’t know their age though, how can you comment on how “aged” they look?
marathons are incredibly taxing on the body and they are out in the sun all day.
no shit they look like death at 35.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the runners in that picture are in their late teens-mid 20s. Trust me, it happens.
retard, those elite marathoners are probably all in their early 30's minimum, they look just about their age
>A marathon is the same as running 1 hour sometimes
I’ve been long distance running for 6 years and lifting for 2. I’ve gained a good amount of muscle. Not every long distance runner is running ultra marathons. Looking like that is rare lol
Steroids are definitely worse because of the sheer strain on the body and the enlarging of the heart and other organs
Also those athletes being posted are 100% od’ing on caffeine and then jacking their hearts up at much as possible.
>It remains a difficult medical challenge to prevent the sudden cardiac death of athletes, typically defined as natural, unexpected death from cardiac arrest within one hour of the onset of collapse symptoms, excluding additional time on mechanical life support. (Wider definitions of sudden death are also in use, but not usually applied to the athletic situation.)
>The single most important predictor is fainting or near-fainting during exercise, which should require detailed explanation and investigation.
>The victim is usually male and associated with soccer, basketball, ice hockey, or American football, reflecting the large number of athletes participating in these sustained and strenuous sports. For a normally healthy age group, the risk appears to be particularly magnified in competitive basketball, with sudden cardiac death rates as high as one per 3,000 annually for male basketball players in NCAA Division I.
>However, a population as large as the United States will experience the sudden cardiac death of a competitive athlete at the average rate of one every three days, often with significant local media coverage heightening public attention.
yeah it's literally EVERYTHING but the covid shot and here's some FURTHER gaslighting... it's ALWAYS been happening. Just like war with Eastasia!
cringe trump lost no one even remembers covid
The global economy is in free fall from the dumbass response to covid and here the shills are still trying to tie it to Trump and at the same time saying everyone has forgotten?
>remember when we tried to lock you up for going outside and breathing? No you don't, get over it chud
>everybody already forgot about those 3 years we threatened to make you a homeless 3rd class citizen for not taking this dangerous experimental drug. Nobody even remembers that little thing we did.. oh wait my arm is numb, brb...
Trump won, but it wouldn't have mattered.
this is excluding the fact that athletes are fucking retarded and in amateur levels they don't have a team around them telling them what to do, so they eat like shit or dont eat at all or go partying and then train.
speaking out of experience
>>Most causes relate to congenital or acquired cardiovascular disease with no symptoms noted before the fatal event. The prevalence of any single, associated condition is low, probably less than 0.3% of the population in the athletes' age group
>congenital or acquired cardiovascular disease
>less than 0.3% of the population
>>the risk appears to be particularly magnified in competitive basketball
>what is tall people having higher risk of atrial fibrillation
>what are PEDs
>what is overtraining
>what are repeated bouts of activity near max heart rate
Clinging to youth is a women's mental disease, there's literally nothing wrong with ageing
Suit yourself. Go ahead and become less sexually attractive to the opposite sex if you want. I’m warning other people so they can make an informed choice.
Here’s the Bioneer, a fitness YouTuber. Now admittedly, he looks pretty good for 50 years old right? WRONG! Because this is the face of a man in his early 30s.
Anon that guy looks like he likes to box. Getting hit in the face will fuck it up. Use your brain.
He has never fought amateur or professional. Boxing doesn’t give you fucking wrinkles like that, maybe you get a crooked nose from breaking it, or scar tissue from cuts around the eye brows, but that’s it. You’re coping.
I don’t know what you’re saying but if you mean I “edited it to make him look old” you’re coping frantically. The first pic I tried to post of him was even worse looking.
You think exercise is stressful? Try getting hit over and over.
I trained kickboxing for years and have had concussions from sparring. Getting hit does not age your face. It does not make you look older and more worn out.
Here’s a video analysing “Why are most UFC fighters good looking?” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3Ikf8eXn7E
Pic related: Multiple time world champion Luke Rockhold, been knocked out multiple times and was able to work as a model while fighting
But they all look about the same as
Also these are the best of the best who who don’t get hit because they are good and ufc you don’t hit the face.
No they don’t. You would never believe that Luke Rockhold or any of the men in the thumbnail of that video were 50 years old like you did with the Bioneer
You have now outed yourself as coping in bad faith, and can be dismissed
The “best of the best” have to fight each other, meaning they get hit in the face a lot. And most strikes in UFC are absolutely punches to the face
Look man, I told you a painful truth and you tried out “nah it’s because boxing makes you ugly” as a cope. Turns out it didn’t work. It’s ok to give up on something if it’s not working. You can stop now.
“Fighters look old and ugly” isn’t a thing. Fighters get brain damage and slurred speech, or crooked broken noses, but that’s it. The rest is you making shit up about a subject you know nothing about. End of discussion.
Bruh half their faces are swelled up and look like thumbs. Obviously there will be some exceptions. Fuck off.
>training makes you look old
>UFC fighters look young
>UFC fighters don't train
you must be the most retarded retard monkey moron i've even read on this board, which is filled to the brim with retarded retard monkey morons
Getting punched in the face for a living doesn't necessarily age you, but you will get a lot of scarring which will make you look rougher. Plus UFC fighters almost all stress the shit out of their systems twice or more a year when they go through a camp and weight cut. That takes its toll on your body.
I don't buy that UFC fighters are aesthetically pretty, even the prettiest active fighter (I think that's Mackenzie Dern) still has a lot of rough edges.
What makes them attractive is their ultra high level of fitness (aside from heavyweights obviously) and their mental toughness/confidence.
Sure, but the whole discussion is irrelevant
The above poster was claiming that the Bioneer looks like this because he “gets hit in the face”
The Bioneer has never competed in fighting at even the amateur level. Look at the top left of the picture how he drops his right hand guard while throwing a jab. Look at his guard at the bottom left where he has his elbows splayed out to the sides instead of tucked in defending his body. This is a guy who has never boxed or fought in any competitive capacity
He got that face from doing intense exercise 7 days a week for years
The images posted have the contrast pumped up so high that every contour is accentuated in his face. You do that to anyone and they'll look like shit.
Nope. Even in his YouTube vlogs people in the comments said he looked 47 and he replied saying “FML”
You can stop now. The dude looks way older than his actual age. End of story. Try something else.
I didn’t move any goalposts, I graciously and open mindedly asked you a follow up question about your spurious study, very nobly showing that I’m open being proved wrong about this (I’m not wrong)
And no, I have absolutely said that low intensity physical activity is good for you IN THIS THREAD. I am now saying that the recommended ST routine for a 65 and older person would likely fit the description “low intensity physical activity”, unlike the deliberately misleading power lifter image you posted, and I even invited you to provide this information and prove me wrong, which you failed to do
Climbing, hiking steep hills, carrying semi heavy objects etc are all examples of NATURAL low intensity physical activity, which unless I’m wrong is probably similar to the guideline concordant ST the study refers to
>I am now saying that the recommended ST routine for a 65 and older person would likely fit the description “low intensity physical activity”, unlike the deliberately misleading power lifter image you posted, and I even invited you to provide this information and prove me wrong, which you failed to do
There IS NOT A SPECIFIC STRENGTH PROGRAMME RECOMMENDED FOR SENIORS.
It is merely recommended that they do strength training twice a week.
>I am now saying that the recommended ST routine for a 65 and older person would likely fit the description “low intensity physical activity”,
What counts as "Low intensity" for a strong old man who worked manual labour for some or all of his life will be unbearable intense for someone else who lived a different lifestyle. Intensity and difficulty are completely and 100% relative to the individual, which is why doctors DO NOT prescribe a specific ST regime for the elderly, or anyone else for that matter.
>carrying semi heavy objects
What is a "semi heavy" object? Something that weighs 10kg? 30kg? 50kg? Why is it good for your health to carry a "semi heavy" object but not to lift "semi heavy" weights?
Power lifters are a tiny minority of the population that engages in resistance training. The majority of lifters train in the 5-15 rep range. If you can lift a weight 10 times in a row, for three sets of 10, surely it can't be more than "semi heavy"?
I redirect you to the OP, where you made a demonstrably wrong, sweeping generalisation
>Exercise is completely unnatural and is killing you
>What is working out, fundamentally? It is subjecting your body to stress. Stress releases cortisol, which causes inflammation, ages you and shortens your lifespan.
So now steep hillwalking and lifting "semi heavy" objects are good for you? Aren't these activities "exercise"? I thought exercise was killing us?
I’ve already answered the question about exercise. Light, natural physical activity vs intense, high stress, straining exercise
A semi heavy object would be an object that has some weight and resistance but that you can move without strain. This is natural physical activity, for example how you would drag a carcass of an animal you hunted in nature, or carry materials to build shelter
An example of high strain exercise would be a one rep max dead lift
>Light, natural physical activity vs intense, high stress, straining exercise
What is a "natural physical activity"? It sure isn't steep hillwalking in artificial boots. Our ancestors didn't climb steep hills recreationally.
>A semi heavy object would be an object that has some weight and resistance but that you can move without strain
How much weight is that? For how long should you be able to lift a weight before it is too light or too heavy to qualify as "semi heavy"?
Why is dragging an animal carcass good for my health but sled pulls aren't? Why is steep hillwalking good for my health but incline treadmill or stairmaster isn't? Why is carrying materials to build a shelter good for my health but farmer's carries aren't?
God I fucking hate you gays that romanticise the primitive lifestyle.
>An example of high strain exercise would be a one rep max dead lift
Like I said, most lifters don't do 1RMs. If you want to make a thread arguing against powerlifting specifically, then fine. This isn't that thread. This is the thread that said "exercise is bad, stress is bad, working out is bad, lifting weights is bad".
You’re trying really hard to make it seem like I’ve somehow been unclear but it’s very obvious that you know exactly what I’m saying and are deliberately trying to play dumb.
Here’s a general rule: If your facial expression is a strained, intense grimace and you’re breathing too hard to talk, then you’re doing stressful exercise. If your facial expression is calm, happy or focused and you can carry on a conversation while doing it, it’s healthy light physical activity.
Before you say this is something pulled out of my ass, Pavel Tsatsouline uses the exact same examples to define a healthy running pace.
I'd take what Tsatsouline says with a grain of salt, because in one books he's say that HIIT is for gays (his editors change it to "sissies", but we all know), and in another - that LISS is for gays.
In any case, being able to talk is another rough test of being within the capacity of your aerobic system, but it's less about safety and more about training the right energy system, because once you turn on your lactate system you're not (at least in the LISS school of thought) exercising your aerobic system optimally.
Just to be clear, are you claiming that all anaerobic activity is ultimately detrimental to health? You're claiming that anything which temporarily spikes cortisol is axiomatically bad for you? You're claiming that "stress" (however you're defining it, which isn't clear at all) is automatically, inherently and always bad for your health?
I’m aware of different studies that show when stress is experienced as excitement, such as with psychopaths who enjoy high risk jobs etc, this mitigates the damage of stress
So if you were trying to set me up with that shocking reveal, please go ahead
None of them look handsome though? I mean, sure, they have impeccable hair, styling, low bodyfat, but other than that? Nothing, really.
>“edited it to make him look old”
that's not what he said retard, he said the garden gnometube celeb edited photo himself to make himself look better (slimmer, more muscular)
dude shoots gargantuan amounts of gear for a decade straight and looks old - oh wowo, roids age u, getting off of roids (and staying within hefty trt because your balls are gone) makes u instantly younger - those are undisputable facs u imbecile
case in point larry wheels - he looked like his dad (wherever he is) and noe he looks like twink that shoots just test year round
Don’t necro this thread. Let it die. Nothing anyone said here matters at all. It’s over. Sneed in peace.
>hdr to 11
>dynamic contrast to 12
>hue hue he looks old
Turbo gay detected
He looks rugged, men should look like this in their 30s rather than skinnyfat, balding and low test
No, ideal male beauty is “boy band” type handsomeness. This is what women are most attracted to as it suggests the best genetics.
Marketing experts don’t make mistakes with this shit. There is a reason you never see a “rugged looking” Back Street Boys or Jonas Brothers; because it doesn’t sell to women
An example of a good looking older male is Johnny Depp (not a fitness enthusiast)
>An example of a good looking older male is Johnny Depp (not a fitness enthusiast)
Now compare this to Jean Claude Van Damme, a fitness enthusiast with severe AIDS face
Just shut up anon.
Many male actors in lead roles use steroids to play a certain character and don’t look ugly. Van Damme was a lifelong athlete and fitness enthusiast. Tom Hardy doesn’t look like that after doing a cycle to play Bane.
Also claiming that “steroids age you and stress your body in a way that natty body building does not” is just an insane claim. It’s a difference only in the degree of damage, not the type of damage it’s doing to you.
no? steroids absolutely age you. do you know wtf test does to the body?
>no? steroids absolutely age you. do you know wtf test does to the body?
JCVD was a cocaine addict, he was spending up to $10,000 a week on it at the height of his addiction
He's 62, was a drug addict and has had a lot of liposuction and plastic surgery. He also was a full contact martial arts champion, so his face got beat up plenty.
Lots of reasons why your post is stupid.
We’ve already debunked “fighting” as something that makes your face look bad or aged. It’s just simply not true. Getting punched in the face does not give you fucking wrinkles. It’s an absurd claim to make and is not an opinion you ever held before in your life until you entered this thread. Stop coping.
He also stopped competing in martial arts and kickboxing at age 22, before his film career took off. So no, that is not what aged him, especially since most of his fights were in semi-contact karate kickboxing which literally doesn’t allow punches to the face
Johnny Depp is also WAY MORE of a drug addict than Van Damme ever was, and he looks much better because he didn’t subject himself to all that strain, stress and cortisol production
depp looks like death bro
He’s more attractive than you gay. Literally still a sex symbol to young girls in his 50s. I told you to stop coping.
Common sense says taking damage to your face will make you look rougher, especially as you get older. The skin, the tissue beneath, the bones, the skin around the eyes which tears and can sag with damage, the nose which can get broken and misshapen, the ears which can get cauliflowered.
You have to be a liar or a complete fucking moron to say what you said.
>Good looking older male
>had to look hard and long to find a non-photogenic image of a man in his 50s
Thanks for making my point for me
Took me 2 seconds
Look I can cherry pick too.
You would kill your fucking family to look like this now, let alone at age 59.
why would anyone want to look like that
>”why would anyone want to look like a sex symbol leading man movie star”
I know he’s better looking than you. Your face is not handsome like that. Hiding behind the plausible deniability of internet anonymity isn’t fooling anyone. You can stop now.
he's not handsome, he looks worse than random people i walk past
You're the one cherry picking. Literally just type "johnny depp 2023" on google and there is not a single pic where he doesn't look like shit.
And by “like shit” you mean “much better than any 60 year old I have ever known and much better than I myself will look even at 45”
I don't know where you live but where i live 60 year old men don't look like 70 year old women.
>don't know where you live but where i live 60 year old men don't look like 70 year old women.
That's because he is taking finasteride for a long time. It makes you less androgenic and more estrogenic which causes that lesbian look when you get older. Very common amongst famous people (who use finasteride to keep their hair which is important to their image)
I dunno guys what you're arguing about because it's quite obvious that Depp is a prime example of a man with great genetics who shat all over it with alcohol and drug abuse. Which is completely irrelevant to the discussion about exercise. He didn't arrive in his current state by running too much.
>to look like this now
i would be extremely upset if I woke up looking like that
If he wasn't a celebrity I would assume he was a used car salesman
alcoholism will rob your aesthetics pretty bad tbh
He looks like the killer in Body Double
Boy bands market to teenage girls.
Yeah, and teenage girls are females at their most naturally fertile stage, and that’s what fertile women are attracted to instinctively: Good facial genetics and bone structure
I can’t believe you actually thought “it attracts sexual attention from the most fertile members opposite sex!!” would be a good argument as to why it’s bad to look that way
I was legitimately obsessed with this man for many years. I masturbated thinking about him OFTEN. I obviously grew out of it but I can say that even with a bias in his favor, he is not an attractive man anymore. DiCaprio is just as fat and is still more handsome than Depp.
would still pick this face over current Depp
He looks like a dwarf who grew like 1 inch out of the dwarfism range so medically he's not considered a dwarf anymore
Pics are over sharpened
He looks like 18 or 20 wdfym top right maybe looks 25. Have you seen people who don't exercise like vegans and shit
Considering that 90% of men are fat and balding at that age
His looks amazing
He's British that's just how they look
sweaty you can't even spell aging go back to andrew tate while the beautiful ones talk
ageing is a proper spelling actually but I agree it is funny looking
>We think of exercise as being inherently healthy - Why?
it is. if you didn't do any movement whatsoever, you would look and feel like shit. of course there's a limit and most people don't know how to eat well so they're gonna be even more affected by overexertion
>ageing is a proper spelling actually
No, it isn't.
Yes, it is.
Quads of truth.
Did you mean “sweety” Mr spelling genius?
youth is beauty, vitality, and virility. pretending otherwise is cope
Also the thing op doesn’t really account for is that by exercising you are increasing the longevity of your muscles by gaining as much mass as possible. The more you have the less will deteriorate significantly increasing your quality of life and lowering mortality.
Extra muscle mass causes strain on the body in order to support all the excess muscle. Have you ever seen a jacked old person?
The longest living people in the world are always east Asians who live a peaceful, calm, sedentary lifestyle.
I think you’re letting roid trannies confuse you again.
Low bone density shill
Jack LaLanne, mother fucker. 2 hour workouts everyday of his life, into his 90s
So eggs and exercising are bad but trannies good
it's definitely true that the best way to avoid aging is to keep yourself healthily plump (as in not shredded they obviously aren't fat) and only exercise in moderation
the people who live the longest in the world come from quite sedentary cultures like sardinia, greek islands, and okinawa where it's too hot to do much of anything and people eat a good amount of (healthy) fat
still not sure whether i need sunlight or should avoid it though
Sunlight is like salt or water. You need some, but too much will kill you.
An up to an hour of sunlight art a time with no sunblock is good and makes your skin look better (sunblock also blocks vitamin D absorption). Any more gives you damaged skin, sunburn and possibly cancer. Avoid the point of diminishing returns
Tennis players and runners (and its variations) are the only suffering from “sporty face”…..due to prolongated UV exposure. Gym face can only be related to very low BF (less than 10%) we all know is hard to achieve for everyone and doesn’t last forever.
garden gnomes want you to exercise more than anyone. They want you to punish yourself and enslave yourself, as you grind your body into an early grave chasing ~~*their*~~ artificial, unnatural beauty standards.
Do you think the Illuminati fucking work out and lift weights before they ritualistically drink baby blood? Open your eyes. You have everything backwards and upside down.
The Aryan ruling class was obsessed with sport until they got conquered and replaced by garden gnomes.
Yeah, 2000 years ago. But they made slaves and lower status members of society compete in the olympics or gladiatorial arena. It wasn’t for the upper classes and elites.
What? The olympics were competitions for FREE men of all stations in life. A lot of soldiers but not slaves.
Being an olympic champion was more of a deal back then than it is even now.
lol no. slaves other than gladiators were not allowed to work out. they wanted them weak so they would be bad fighters in case of rebelion/uprising. ancients romans and greeks had gyms. they ran and lifted. indians did yoga and chinks had their exercises too. even rodents climb and run in their cages. you have it all backwards you lazy fuck. are you peatardian by any chance? they are like that only based thing about them is avoiding sneed oil.
Then as now, the elite of society recline in comfort and live peaceful and happy lives while the rest of us peasants toil, struggle and fight each other for their amusement
Stop cucking out and acting like you’re somehow “cool” for doing so
they liked to live hard and die young whereas garden gnomes (satanists) are scared of death for obvious reasons
He's the kind of person who talks to himself while fapping to make sure he doesn't cross the lactic threshold.
And all the nazi literature on sports science was destroyed and nazis themselves were a good looking bunch and absolutely mogged allied forces.
>The Aryan ruling class was obsessed with sport
Sport is an invention of the Industrial Revolution. in England You are thinking of "Exercise" which is completely different. For example, there is no measure of performance in "exercise", but there is in "sports". There is no competition in "exercise", there is in "sports" and so on. What we understand as "working out" and what people did before "sports" appeared is comlpletely different to each other. Most conditioning exercises from before WW2 would maybe be high school warm ups today.
How about you do some research on the history of training? It's pretty enlightening, to say the least. Oh, an by the way, most people you fanboy are, indeed, gnomish. Starts around Eugen Sandow, doesn't stop at Arnold. All of them are gnomish. Coincidence? Especially for someone like you?
You're conflating two different things. Yes, I'm aware bodybuilding is gnomish. The Greek olympics, for example, was not
wtf are you talking about ?
I dont care what the garden gnomes want, i will do it regardless
Gimme a fuckin break with this bullshit. The garden gnomes are the ones pushing this chud crap and "healthy at any size" literally dismantling the entire concept of beauty in favor of gluttony, lust and sloth.
Look at who is publishing propaganda articles calling fitness "white supremacy". It's all bergs and steins!
No, you are not going to shoehorn your deep desire to remain a fatass into some "based" argument, gay.
garden gnomes never control just one side 9f a particular issue.
Just take a cursory glance at the history of bodybuilding - nearly all of the central figures are garden gnomes.
They're also the ones who popularized the roided up physique.
Im not doing it for beauty standards, im doing it so that i can break garden gnomesish spines over my knee
Joe Weider is the biggest promoter of exercise and lifting weights in the world. Really makes you think, doesn't it?
While I agree, animals are doing shit all the time because they have to and their genes are adapted to that level of activity. Humans are the same, so ideally you want to stimulate the body to the degree a healthy human would be doing in order to survive. If anything, being weak and unfit is such a miserable experience that a sacrifice of bit of longevity is probably worth it for most people.
the difference between us and animals is the environment, our current environment is such that we can simply avoid doing AYTHING which animals or people who live in tribes cant, being 100% sedentary isnt healthy
>It also damages the heart severely by making it pump up to 5 gallons of volume per minute, exponentially more than your resting heart rate
Then compare the average cardiovascular healthy of people who do 7 hours of light to moderate aerobic exericse per week to people who do 0.
not going to the gym wll make you look worse and age terribly anyway.
No it won’t, an unhealthy lifestyle will do that.
But if you eat healthy natural food like red meat, do the things you like, have a peaceful, stress free happy lifestyle and do low intensity physical activity like an hour of walking a day you will look as good as you can genetically and will live as long as you can genetically
>No it won’t, an unhealthy lifestyle will do that.
IE being sedentary
>and do low intensity physical activity like an hour of walking a day you will look as good as you can genetically
But anon, I thought exercise was stressful and stress is bad for you?
water is good but you can still drown
Yes, and it isn't at all obvious where the line ought to be drawn for the health benefits of resistance training, stress etc, on health and longevity.
Your OP literally says
>Exercise is completely unnatural and is killing you.
So where do you draw the line? What level of exertion and stress (because even walking is a stressor) is beneficial?
>What level of exertion and stress (because even walking is a stressor) is beneficial?
The ancients claimed that anything beyond sweating slightly is harmful unless you are a phlegmatic.
I specifically didn’t say exercise, I said low intensity physical activity. Walking causes no strain on your body, muscles, heart or nervous system like intense cardiovascular exercise or heavy weightlifting does.
oh you got any examples of that or did you just make all that shit up?
I actually have an example unlike you fag
>pic rel works out all the time, looks better than anyone.
Stress is not inherently or axiomatically bad.
Prove me wrong.
Low levels of acute stress are beneficial for health. High amounts of and/chronic stress are undesirable but no stress is bad for you.
Who lives longer?
Sedentary or active people?
Control for as many other factors as you like - who lives the longest and healthiest lives? People who actually use (ie stress) their bodies, or people who don't use their bodies?
Of course you can have too much of a good thing - there's nothing profound about the statement that too much of anything, even exercise, can be bad for you.
But seek the answer to my question and it shall set you free.
Stop the excuses and go exercise fatty
Not an argument. Your IQ must be 3 digits to participate in this thread.
gay OP, I see your point in the exertion of physical exercises having potentially degrading effects on quality of life, especially with the philosophies that are espoused ("no pain, no gain") However,
there have been many societies as in the past and now that have place an emphasis on physical conditioning/workouts among the upper strata (i.e. nobility/royalty) These people exerted themselves, fought on battlefields, and they were not any lesser for it when it comes to governance, rulership, culture development, etc. Not only this, these people enjoyed a long life that was enriching because of their honing of the body and the mind. Many examples litter the history pages; the Germanics that fought those mighty Roman legions, the Vedic Aryans who crafted a system of metaphysics that endures to this day, those knights of Europe who brought forth chilvary, not to mention the various East Asian empires that birthed many of the practiced fighting systems today. So, OP, I can concur with the degradation of today's efforts at physical exertion, but this does not mean that all-together physical conditioning should be abandoned altogether if one wishes be hoi-polloi. In my opinion, there should be a review of how to condition oneself for a better body, mind, and life and if required, a reform of these practices.
None of those things are value. You are talking about man made cultures and man made societal constructs and institutions. We are natural beings. Our health is determined by how close we are to our natural state, now how much we can force ourselves to engage in unnatural tasks like statecraft
I'll care about that wall of text when OP posts body
>We aimed to understand the association between meeting strength training guidelines and future mortality in an older US adult population.
>During the study period, 9.6% of NHIS adults age 65 and older (N=30,162) reported doing guideline-concordant ST and 31.6% died. Older adults who reported guideline-concordant ST had 46% lower odds of all-cause mortality than those who did not (adjusted odds ratio: 0.64; 95% CI: 0.57, 0.70; p<0.001).
> The association between ST and death remained after adjustment for past medical history and health behaviors.
>Although a minority of older US adults met ST recommendations, guideline-concordant ST is significantly associated with decreased overall mortality.
And what do you think “guideline-concordant” strength training for someone 65 and older would look like? The guy in your pic?
Sounds like they’re talking about pink dumbell type shit unless the study specifies otherwise, like that they were actual powerlifters?
And the goalposts keep on moving.
So now, resistance training is good for you, but only at a certain level of intensity, and we're back to the midwit truism of "thing is good for you in moderation and possibly bad for you in excess".
No shit the average 80 year old isn't lifting the same kind of weight with the same kind of frequency or intensity as a 30 year old. But that's not what you said in your OP. You told us exercise = bad, stress = bad, cortisol = bad. You are wrong on all 3 counts.
The guidelines don't prescribe a specific strength-training regimen (nor should they, as individuals vary too greatly for this to be useful), they just recommend strength training at least twice a week.
For all we know the guy in the pic, or guys training as intensively as him, were part of the cohort in this study.
The main problem with the study is that it is only an association and it is subject to significant healthy user bias, i.e., any cunt 65 or over working out is far more likely to be doing other things that improve his overall health.
it literally says they adjusted for other health behaviours
It amazes me How you gays on this Board always Talk about preserving and antiaging but you dont do anything with Ur pathetic lives
Wow! So just..... wait for it.... DO IT IN MODERATION.
id rather look a bit older in the face and be ripped than be a fat fuck looking like a pudgy disney baby. and also, daddies is what women love nowadays
I am probably going to off myself if I don't get fit and get noticed by women anyways so it does not matter.
get higher standards on grills. pro tip: ugly chicks have high standards because most men hit on them because they are too pussy to hit on the really pretty ones which are starved of attention. steer clear of instathots tho.
more shit mad by braindead garden gnomes and moron lovers for braindead amerisharts lol. where is the ad
>do you have mcdonald face?
proceeds to show fat bloated amerishart face from eating mcdonalds. yeah they wont do that they will take something completely healthy that isnt even done by a huge amount of the population that is healthy and say le bad! hopefully russia nukes america
> intense cardio ... damages the heart
That's why there's the notion of a safe heart rate, which is estimated at 220 minus your age. It's considered that exercise below that heart rate is guaranteed to be beneficial, because it increases efficiency if your aerobic system (aka reduces heart rate for all future activities), while causing no damage. That's why people with heart conditions are supposed to walk a lot.
I don't exercise for my health, I lift the heavy pieces of metal and I run long distances because it makes me feel good.
Based Grugg getting to the bottom of things.
Exercise is supposed to be enjoyable mentally and somewhat taxing physically (to activate overcompensation), but not really stressful. I don't lift heavy so I cannot speak for lifting, but running becomes mentally enjoyable once you learn to run at the right pace for your aerobic capacity.
No you don’t. You do it as a means to an end (strength, aesthetics, female attention, dominance of other males etc.)
Any satisfaction you get from it is the satisfaction of getting closer to achieving this desired end, nothing more
You would never lift weights or run if it did not have any benefit it attaining these desired ends.
Stop lying please. It’s a waste of peoples’ time.
> t. never experienced the sense of lightness and freedom from running
>t. has to torture himself to the point that his body releases endogenous morphine (endorphins) to cope, so he can get a temporary high
Eating is bad because it's a means to an end
I didn’t say it’s “bad” because it’s a means to an end. I’m saying the above poster is lying when he claims that he exercises for “fun”, not for the results. Please try to keep up you absolute shitbrained idiot.
but fun is an end, so it looks like you're the poobrain
Endurance training and testosterone levels
>Abstract: Research has shown that chronic exposure to prolonged endurance training can result in disturbances within the reproductive physiological and endocrinological systems of humans. Until recently, research has focused on exercise training induced disruptions within female athletes. Within the last several years, however, studies have suggested that endurance training may have significant effects on the male reproductive system. The evidence suggests endurance training significantly affects the major male reproductive hormone, testosterone. At rest testosterone appears to be lower in the endurance-trained male than in the untrained male. The mechanism of this lowering is currently unclear, but may be related to dysfunctions within the hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular regulatory axis. This assumption has been based upon abnormalities in the resting testosterone levels and pituitary release of luteinising hormone and prolactin. Potentially, the lowered testosterone levels could disrupt reproductive and androgenic processes within the male.
No, anon, climbing a flight of stairs does not count as "chronic exposure to prolonged endurance training", you're just fat.
From your link
>Presently, however, there are no findings to indicate that any consistent dysfunctions of any of the testosterone dependent processes in the male occur due to endurance training.
Yeah, that just means it hasn’t been studied and there’s no data. it doesn’t mean that they studied it and determined that there are no effects, retard. It just means there’s no long term data on if fucking up your hormone production affects the physical functions that depend on hormone production (why don’t you take a guess?)
My guess is your blood tests high for Poindextrose.
Give that man a hair transplant and get him to eat until 10 pounds heavier and he looks good
Too low bodymass (both fat and muscle) could contribute a lot
Don't forget that lifting weights lowers testosterone and taking a break starts the recovery. Protip: you need longer than the two weeks in this study for total testosterone and growth hormone recovery.
No wonder so many guys who work out have low T on their blood test and have to go on TRT. It's the working out and weird diets that is causing the low T.
I dont really care tbqh, I lift because I'm bored asf
dubs and demoralization fags get beat up by a weak woman and lose societal respect
Facts don’t care about your feelings gay. See
le pubmed face
>”your sources are wrong, I actually have all the correct sources I’m just choosing not to elaborate heh heh”
exercise is good for you
Why would I look for a paper written by an untrustworthy labnerd when I already know apples are red?
You don’t. You are lowering your testosterone through exercise. Acting “smug and ironic xD” about it online doesn’t change the fact that you’re biochemically making yourself less of a man, by definition.
>Lowering teststerone through exercise
this has to be bait
>smug and ironic
>this has to be bait
No it’s a scientific consensus
>During the last 30 years a large number of research studies have been conducted examining reproductive endocrine dysfunction in exercising women. The number of similar studies examining men is still relatively small. Nevertheless, an increasing amount of research studies in men indicate endurance exercise training has significant effects upon the major male reproductive hormone, testosterone, and the hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis that regulates reproductive hormones. This review article addresses one reproductive endocrine dysfunction found in exercising men, what has been deemed the âεœexercise-hypogonadal male conditionâε□. Specifically, men with this condition exhibit basal (resting-state) free and total testosterone levels that are significantly and persistently reduced.
Yeah yeah I know, reply with some more funny smug “ironic xD” gay shit. Very cool.
It's literally just some men chronically overtraining. You're not going to overtrain from wiping your ass every time you take a shit you fat gay.
Yeah yeah. So you admit that you absolutely can
>lower testosterone through exercise
You were wrong, The End.
> Bench press
> Drop barbell on your head
> Test is 0
No one is interested in your sophism.
I thought you were done being a cute and ironic gay? xD xD xD xD
Link study or rope garden gnome
There are many studies with direct correlation to physical stress and testosterone levels increasing.
Testosterone levels have more to do with diet then exercise itself. Hormonal changes in testosterone in women have an entirely diffrent function then in men.
And cortisol levels have a direct correlation with testosterone levels. Cortisol does have negative effects but one they are raised temporarily from exercise, you can reduce it to near 0 levels with a shower or sauna treatment.
This is why the healthiest people are those who exercise and sauna/steam regularly
>shower or sauna treatment.
Guys I look so young in my 30s. DESPITE BEING BALD! That's right, I shave my head. When I grow a beard people accurately guess my age. But with a clean shave all over people think I'm college age.
Alpha genetics or beta results!
op is coping nerd rationalizing his söyboy lifestyle. there's a difference between looking young and longevity itself. excess protein is bad for longevity, but good for looking young. too much exercise if bad for both, while moderate exercise (<60 minutes of zone 2 or 3 a day) is good for both (if u don't do it under the sun that is). there's passive autophagy and cellular repair going on all the time, and if u let ur capillary networks etc atrophy with your sedentary söyboy lifestyle ur body will just be less effective in doing that, more so in extremities like hands and feet, but will show in face and hair too
skin and collagen are absolutely trivial to keep perfect for anyone who isn't a midwit and isn't afraid to do some things differently (for example not lounging under the sun to the same extent as is considered fashionable). the bigger problem for visual youth, eventually, is ur bones gradually deforming. and proper exercise, diet and cardiovascular health is absolutely vital for preventing that. also stuff like sleeping on your back
t. ppl think i'm 14-16. yes having a small twink skeleton and no facial hair does a lot of it. but i do keep my skin and bones in peak condition. i care about longevity, but visual longevity for me is more important. so i do cardio and weights and eat protein slightly more than would be optimal if i wanted to maximize longevity alone. but i'm not an ugly nolife for who that would make sense, waiting to survive until singularity to finally get a gf lmao
post routine or whatever you do for longveity
i wouldn't call it "routine" because it's quite light
low stress lifestyle
organic whole foods. animal fats. whey and glycine supplementation for collagen production
30 minutes zone 3 cardio a day (zone 2 would be slightly better, but it's not a huge difference at only 30 minutes) and some weights (at my body fat % and composition (no visceral fat lol) muscles are quite visible)
one meal a day or two (fasted cardio is a bit more cortisol but idc)
3-4 day fast nearly monthly. i start from slight energy deficiency of past few days so autophagy comes faster. i don't do keto cope or diabetes medicine cope shit and just endure the hunger like a man
i wear cap outside and avoid excessive direct sunlight, sunscreen if more active during daytime. never needed skincare. didn't do any meme fasting mimicking compounds etc that are popular in the anti-ageing crowd yet. or any more esoteric supplements than just calcium and other micronutrients. just spermidines lol. but i will when i have more disposable income (in particular neurogenesis inducing ones seem very important to me long term, and what these nerds should also be prioritizing), but i'm very content with what i have now already because fasting is imo just so powerful (if ur not fatty, nor doing it for weight loss, and importantly: u refeed properly afterwards). also i didn't always do cardio, because tbh i was coping in same way as op, but imo it noticeably improves the effectiveness of autophagy
i let none of these get in the way of life. if someone cool wants to eat with me, the silly omad gets ditched that day. nor do i religiously avoid substances, sugars, fast food or other "vices" either, nor some of the lamer stuff like never cooking on hot surfaces because AGEs etc LMAO. everything in moderation
also cortisol, oxidation, inflammation are needed by the body too, and it's counter-productive trying to eliminate them completely like some autist if u already had normal levels of them
Me rapidly advancing on your location is also shortening your lifespan.
You’ve never been in a fight
I wrestled your father. Ended up with me 10 inches inside his boy pussy
>resorts to being “wacky and ironic xD” instead of clarifying that he has been in a fight
That’s right bitch, don’t forget it
I'm not being wacky or ironic. I have had sex with your father. Your name is Thomas Spencer, and you live in Tulsa, Oklahoma. You're 26 years old, and you work as an HR specialist for the Calvert Companies. While you were in high school, your girlfriend cheated on you with the football teams quarter back, thus beginning your crusade against working out. I know you'll deny this Thomas, but it's ok. It happened a long time ago. It's time for you to move on
>he thought he ate
Thomas come back though. If you’re gay and from Tulsa and fit we could sex.
I just read the second half of what he said and I’m going to go ahead and roll this one back Thomas.
>Pic related: OP
>fat gay who can't walk a mile without needing his rescue inhaler posts more demoralization gnomish shit again
I knew all of this before I've read your post.
I truly believe all of it.
I still do strength training because I love the pain in my muscle. Nothing gets me more happy.
Why even argue with OP? Just let him rot in his weakness and slothfulness, no need to consider his irrelevant opinion at all.
Go and lift
OP saw people who weren't 10/10s and haven't touched a bottle of sunscreen in their lives for the first time and had a meltdown
I’m stronger than you and already said I kickboxed for years, I would beat the shit out of you and mog you in front of any group of women. I worked out my whole life since age 12 and have hit 100 push-ups before, until now at age 29 I discovered it’s bad for you, so
I am trying to enlighten others.
You started working out 2 weeks ago because you saw a incel male self help video on youtube with sad but inspirational music playing over it. You’re still in the “chicken breast and brown rice meal planning” phase. Shut your gay mouth.
Be like the lion and exercise hard for an hour and lounge and eat the rest of the time to preserve yourself. That’s what I do.
This is at least a logical approach. I would just take out the word “hard”. Check out Pavel Tsatsouline if you haven’t already. He is all about building muscle and cardio fitness through low stress, moderate exercise
Check out his concept of GTG (“greasing the groove”) on YouTube if you haven’t already, it’s a game changer
im an ass man
yeah im an ass man
>no body posted
I accept your concession
>I worked out my whole life since age 12 and have hit 100 push-ups before
You've been training for 17 years and your best accomplishment is 100 pushups? Holy fuck I'm talking to an actual genetic dead end, is this real life?
>You started working out 2 weeks ago because you saw a incel male self help video on youtube with sad but inspirational music playing over it.
Total projection kek, unsurprising coming from a complete dyel
>You’re still in the “chicken breast and brown rice meal planning” phase.
Beef is better than chicken breast due to micronutrients and white rice mogs brown rice due to not having arsenic but sure bro
>challenges me to post my body, doesn’t post his
Why would I ever give a shit if some PATHETIC LOSER and gay on the internet who has NEVER HAD SEX IN HIS LIFE believes me or not?
You didn’t post a picture of your physique either. Besides, even if I posted a Dolph Lungren level physique, you would still just type “LOL!” and critique it in bad faith pathetically
>17 years and that’s the best you’ve got?
Pathetically effeminate bad faith response here. Just because someone works out regularly means they’re actively trying to break more and more personal records and become the best athlete possible. For most people exercise is maintenance
How long have you been lifting? Go on. Let’s apply that same standard to you. How much can you bench after all these years? Go. Come on gay, let’s hear it.
You are a SICKENING gay. The type of weak beta male who “disagrees” without any counter argument and expresses pathetic bad faith, fake opinions adopted in the moment, like a WOMAN would do. Suck my dick.
>You didn’t post a picture of your physique either.
Because I am not the one making a ridiculously moronic claim here. I'll post mine if you post yours
>Besides, even if I posted a Dolph Lungren level physique, you would still just type “LOL!” and critique it in bad faith pathetically
Doesn't matter because the other anons would see through that. The only reason why you haven't posted body is because your body is shit
>Pathetically effeminate bad faith response here. Just because someone works out regularly means they’re actively trying to break more and more personal records and become the best athlete possible. For most people exercise is maintenance
Okay, so you have no desire to reach beyond yourself and climb the heights. Your opinion means nothing then
>How long have you been lifting? Go on. Let’s apply that same standard to you.
3 years, and I didn't train legs in my first year. I can do 12 full nordic curls no problem, and I only started training them last year. How about you?
>The type of weak beta male who “disagrees” without any counter argument and expresses pathetic bad faith, fake opinions adopted in the moment, like a WOMAN would do.
Your argument is that exercise is bad for you. Any reasonable person would laugh in your face at such a ludicrous statement, and the other anons ITT already BTFO you so do I really need to continue with that trend?
>Suck my dick.
Unfortunately you don't have one so this won't be happening any time soon
>I’m not making claims
Yes you are. You BASELESSLY, STUPIDLY assumed that I must be speaking as someone who is physically weak and doesn’t excercise, even though I made reasoned and thought out arguments to support my view.
Logical arguments are logical arguments, no matter who is making them. 2+2=4, regardless of whether the person saying it is a jacked bodybuilder or 300 lbs, you worthless, low IQ, dysgenically brain dead piece of shit.
>Okay, so you have no desire to reach beyond yourself and climb the heights. Your opinion means nothing then.
Wow, you pathetic fucking gay…….
I “challenged myself” to reach 100 push-ups, and then I was happy to coast on that achievement, which still puts me FAR above the average person, because fitness and athletics isn’t my main interest in life and I’m not just going to just spend the rest of my days endlessly working to increase my push-up count purely for the sake of it.
Why can’t you speak fluent Spanish? Why don’t you have a degree in physics? Why can’t you do a standing backflip and stick the landing? COME ON gay, WHY AREN’T YOU CONSTANTLY CHALLENGING YOURSELF? Because you don’t care about achieving those things.
See what I mean? You are a pathetic gay adopting fake opinions on the spot, purely in response to me personally, opinions that you NEVER actually held or articulated even once in your life before you entered this thread. You pivot what your “opinion” is purely in reaction to whatever I say. Pathetic, sickening, womanly gay.
By the way, nice try you sneaky little pussy. I asked you how much you can bench after 3 years, gay, why didn’t you answer me? Embarrassed to reveal you aren’t “pushing yourself” either?
I would spit in your fucking face if I saw you and you would look at the ground and do NOTHING.
>Yes you are. You BASELESSLY, STUPIDLY assumed that I must be speaking as someone who is physically weak and doesn’t excercise, even though I made reasoned and thought out arguments to support my view.
Any old fool will claim that their arguments are well-reasoned and thought out. It doesn't change the fact that it's a bunch of bullshit however, you're simply too blind to self-assess your own values and beliefs.
>Logical arguments are logical arguments, no matter who is making them. 2+2=4, regardless of whether the person saying it is a jacked bodybuilder or 300 lbs, you worthless, low IQ, dysgenically brain dead piece of shit.
This is true, but you haven't made a single logical argument so far so it doesn't matter kek
>I “challenged myself” to reach 100 push-ups, and then I was happy to coast on that achievement, which still puts me FAR above the average person
The average person has done plenty of things similar to this, this is nothing special. What is special is the drive to keep improving: instead of chasing some far off goal, you chase an extra rep, an extra 5 pounds, etc. No matter how small, you always try to improve. This does not simply apply to lifting, this applies to life in general. You do not seem to possess this trait, so why should I care?
>Why can’t you speak fluent Spanish? Why don’t you have a degree in physics? Why can’t you do a standing backflip and stick the landing?
I suppose you don't have the same mental representations as I do, but to put it simply we can divide our goals into three spheres: physical, mental, and spiritual. If you neglect any of these, you are sorely lacking important traits. I don't need to speak fluent Spanish and get a degree in physics (though physics is great) because I have other goals in the mental realm that fulfill this role. You seem to lack physical goals entirely, which is a fatal flaw. Shut the fuck up
>See what I mean? You are a pathetic gay adopting fake opinions on the spot, purely in response to me personally, opinions that you NEVER actually held or articulated even once in your life before you entered this thread. You pivot what your “opinion” is purely in reaction to whatever I say. Pathetic, sickening, womanly gay.
More projection kek, what an absolute cuckold
>By the way, nice try you sneaky little pussy. I asked you how much you can bench after 3 years, gay, why didn’t you answer me? Embarrassed to reveal you aren’t “pushing yourself” either?
Because I haven't touched bench in like 16 months you slimy gay. Back then I didn't even do comp bench, I did paused close grip larsen press and despite still being dyel I could rep out 80kg just fine. Judging from my current numbers on weighted ring dips, flye presses, etc I would probably say 100-110kg for reps without any specific training, no idea about 1RM though since I have never peaked my bench since I don't give a fuck about strength.
>I would spit in your fucking face if I saw you and you would look at the ground and do NOTHING.
You wouldn't even be able to spit in my face because you would run away before I could even start approaching you lol
Did I ever claim that I was trying to be funny? You're just a wimp, nothing else to say really
>Unfortunately you don't have one
Fucking embarrassing unfunny gay. gay who tries hard to be funny and fails.
Why did Sveridge get a hair transplant?
He didn’t, he meditated his hair back while sungazing you lying gnomish shill
Yeah well it stops me from killing myself so it works for me.
I would have 10X more stress if I had to deal with a woman 24/7. Physical stress is easier to cope with.
are squats bad?
They aren’t the BEST thing for your spine and you can hit every muscle with different exercises but they are a test of strength and It’s a very functional lift good for every day use and you should know how to do it.
is there a spine strengthening exercise to do after?
Hyper extensions and reverse hyper extensions. You can’t build your spine obviously. Just try not to bend it under heavy loads.
I see, good thing I don't do retarded squats like bowlerlifters
Girls and sons who have not been loved by their fathers seek attention once teens and adults to compensate for what they didn't have originally. Fathers either left them alone, or were distant most of the time and not encouraging them. Some even despised them which would shape their personality and the way they interact with others for the rest of their life. They are extremistic in everything they do, always looking exaggeratly for attention (Hello Goodrum), and have troubles adapting to society's rules, because they also have troubles defining their own identity and respecting authority and hierarchy.
Also boys who got picked on by others during childhood and adolescence -often sons without a father figure- try to compensate by lifting weights, to develop muscles and survive in ther male world. They're insecure because they're girly, childish, feminine having been raised by a single mom. They lift obsessively hoping it will transform them into men, to compensate for their lack of influence from a father figure that was not there. Unfortunately they can get as big as they can but it doesn't cure their insecurity and who they truly are, how they grew up being raised by a single mom. They're not as manly as other men whatever they do, and they often have a big lack of masculine presence they don't know how to balance, hence often being borderline homosexuals while trying to get their manhood back through various manly activities (MMA, cars, weight lifting etc.).
They are often the ones that, in order to get respect from other males, will go the steroids route to get even "bigger", attempting to cure their insecurity, but being natural not being "enough", they still feel "too small", insecure, amongst other males. The lack of a father figure also often means they didn't have guidance to continue studies and are often working shitty manual jobs.
Interesting. What about the causes behind steroid abusing female bodybuilders with dysmorphia? I seriously feel like some kind of sexual abuse from a male may have something to do with it, trying to become stronger than their abuser or something
Retard. People like you would live their lives in a sustenance tube to get a few more measly years. I don't even care to argue how you're wrong.
Obviously, doing strenuous exercise makes you feel bad in the moment and just after. That's your body telling you to stop doing that because it's bad.
>Snorts so much coke his nose needs to be reconstructed by his mid 20s
>Would stay awake for multiple days at a time until he started hallucinating even off drugs
>Lived on a diet of cocaine bell peppers and milk until he was 90 lbs
>Smokes 60 cigarettes a day until 2000
>British, cursed with the worst aging genes humanly possible
>Looks like this right before dying of liver cancer at 69 years old
Don't forget could have any 20yo art hoe he wanted up until his dying breath.
i was thinking aboiiut this today.
i cant stop smoking cigars. illl get bored and go get one, im addicted to the adrenaline rush of smoking. exercise provides that same kind of stress but in a healthy way.
ive concluded that exercise is good stress and smoking is the bad kind of stress. but your body is gonna crave the stress the stress, myt body will, because im so bored, sitting inside all day wait9ing for something to happen.
fill your life with good nourishment, clean air, wide vast scenery, nature, and positive stress.
You are a moron gay and stupid. Fuck you brainlet.
200+ posts and we still don't know what gym face is
What is the purpose of this dogshit thread? You should be piled on like the retard insulting pullups.
Excercise makes you feel good because you aren't being a sedentary gay, sedentarism is one of the major causes of death all around; old asians were not sedentary in their youth and they are certainly not sedentary in their old age, they are active in a way their body allows them to with walking and gardening, also stay mentally active. If excercise strains you, and you feel like you are punishing yourself; you are a fat fuck with the wrong mentality for fitness. Excercise, whatever it may be should be fun to you; if you need to make yourself excercise for societal standards then lifting is not for you and you should try some other shit like biking, hiking, climbing, swimming, etc; lifting is fun for me because it disconnects me from my problems and helps process emotions, instead of writing cope threads like op.
No shit some fighters look awful, but it isn't really about excercise; their faces are tense and dehydrated to make the cut and brace for a bad fucking time.
Marathon runners are extremes and should not be used as reference for average active lifestyles, that is skewing data in your favor gay. You know what is worse for your cardiovascular health than working moderately? (If you have super high bpm lifting weights you need to get yourself checked) being a sedentary fuck content with walking an hour a day at ages 20-40.
I will not say I hope, for I know op won't be able to play with their grandkids because they get tired after 5 minutes. A decently performing ISTard will be carrying them on their shoulders and making space ship sounds.
>If you have super high bpm lifting weights you need to get
High intensity exercise of any kind naturally spikes your heart rate anon. If your heart rate doesn't get high you're not lifting heavy enough or you're taking excessive rests. The important metric with exercise and activity in general is how quickly your heart rate and blood pressure recover when fully resting.
>being a sedentary fuck content with walking an hour a day at ages 20-40.
Not everyone is a NEET who has time to waste walking around for hours on end everyday. An hour of *actual* cardio per day is more than plenty, ~2.5 hours of zone 2 per week is optimal for health and longevity. And if you are sedentary, getting just 8k steps per day will stave off a wide variety of modern health problems, so even they can benefit from one hour of walking.
>Mucho texto effortpost
Come on, IST. You can be better than this. I am disappoint.
Not an argument, therefore you forfeit. Another win for the OP-man
This makes sense, just look at the octogenarians, what they've done is live stress free life and just chill. They even have unhealthy habits that are linked to deaths like smoking but they are so relaxed they just shrug it all off.
Stress is the killer.
Completely valid points and this is why strength training is the best form of gym exercise. Mark Rippentoe is 100% right about everything.
>All my friends are fat fucks who don't exercise and eat goyslop. They look 10-15 years older than they actually are.
>I work out, eat healthy. I'm the same age, yet look 10 years younger than I actually am.
Yeah, all that stress from working it is really destroying me.
kys you reddit spacing garden gnome.
Low IQ post. You don't need exercise to be slim. You just have to eat less. And eat good quality food made from fresh ingredients to be healthy and have a youthful skin.
It's true that any kind of exercise ages you, BUT being strong and muscular will make you a lot more socially successful. Marathons/cardio is the worst since it's a lot of prolonged effort with minimal effect. Strength training is the best if you care about looks and long term health.
>Agrees with me
>calls me low IQ
die in a fire, retard.
terrible, terrible thread.
Wow is that you? Or are you just posting a picture of another man’s physical prowess like it’s sort of related to your by association?, in a vague and abstract way?
Digits and OP gets raped to death by boogie
Lol you guys don’t even know what you’re arguing about anymore. Just a stupid, pointless flame war. Consider doing something better with your time.
Oh look it’s “better than the other IST users” guy. Please enlighten us by example and list the very valuable, important things you’re doing with your time.
>Oh look it’s “better than the other IST users” guy
>Make a list
I don’t know what this argument is about. I’m not reading all this shit and it’s probably not very interesting anyway. But my opinion is the opposite of the one that doesn’t want me to poomp my mooscles. And also that politics is a reddit hobby for gay homos.
>“poomp my mooscles”
>cutesy and cuddly animal image
Case in point: Critically low testosterone from too much strenuous exercise
>“poomp my mooscles”
That’s an old meme. Lurk moar.
>cutesy and cuddly animal image
No way you hate cute animals bro. Come on now. I don’t believe you.
>Critically low testosterone from too much strenuous exercise
Nah my levels are average as of my blood work a few months ago. I work out a medium amount.
>Stress shortens your lifespan.
Stopped reading there. Literal 5th grade understanding of biology.
>psychologists agree that expressing disagreement without a supporting argument or explaining your reasoning is a clinically reliable indicator of low IQ
>Fools are industrious in propagating the imposture; while the wise and learned are contented, in general, to deride its absurdity, without informing themselves of the particular facts, by which it may be distinctly refuted.
>”heh heh I could win the argument if I wanted to and make you look stupid, but I’m just above it and don’t care so I’m simply choosing not to prove you wrong. Still worth my time and energy to reply multiple times though heh heh”
Unfortunately you have it backwards
The only reason we exercise in the first place is because we eat too goddamn much
The mental illness lies with the food
If you ate one meal a day and didn’t work out you would live longer than someone who worked out and ate more
But you’ll keep eating more so you think you have to workout
What a shitty thread.
Fucking have a nice day.
>Stress releases cortisol, which causes inflammation, ages you and shortens your lifespan.
Stopped reading after this. Cortisol is anti-inflammatory hormone. Have you ever heard of corticosteroids used to reduce inflammation?
The guy who has reversed his age 5 years does 150 exercises the majority of this board will never be able to do, EVERY SINGLE MORNING.
He’s not reversing his aging, he looks like a vampire dying of AIDS
OP is a dyel fat loser who probably went to the gym one time and had a bad experience or wasn’t satisfied with his “progress” so he just resorts to attempting to bring everybody down with him so he can cope better. Misery loves company, isn’t that what they say?
No, I worked out and did athletic activities all my life.
Someone made logical arguments and you responded with comments about them as a person. Thinking this is a valid response is considered a clinically reliable indicator of low IQ.
>Someone made logical arguments
The second line in the OP is completely false
>Stress releases cortisol, which causes inflammation
Cortisol doesn't cause inflammation, cortisol is actually anti-inflammatory, and your body releases it in response to inflammation. You haven't posed a single logical argument so there is no reason why we shouldn't fuck with you lol
It is part of the inflammatory process which itself is harmful to the body
Dude if you can't even get the function of cortisol right, why should I listen to you? And cortisol itself is not inherently bad, transient cortisol spikes are entirely normal, in fact your cortisol spikes just from waking up in the morning. Chronically elevated cortisol is bad, but transient spikes are okay. If you think that cortisol is inherently bad then you better be on a ton of cortisol blockers, otherwise you're a complete fucking hypocrite. And remember, while training also spikes cortisol (same as waking up in the morning), it also spikes testosterone, GH, and reduces myostatin. None of those things happen just from waking up in the morning, so if anything waking up in the morning is worse than training. Guess we should go to sleep and never wake up then kek
And thinking exercise is bad for you is a reliable indicator of being a fucking retard. You got btfo so many times in this thread that it’s hilarious. Just the fact that you refuse to post body is obviously that you are ashamed of yourself and took out your own self hatred in this thread trying to persuade people to stop lifting. And even if lifting is “bad” for you, so what? If it makes you die a few years earlier than normal, who fucking cares? Are you so obsessed with the material world that you cling to your meat body like a baby sucking his pacifier? Do you really want to stay on this planet ran by satanic pedos who rub their power in your face? I’d rather be a older looking chiseled man then some onions baby face loser who looks like he hasn’t exercised a day in his life. You’re a pathetic dyel who is trying to bring everyone here down to your level and no one here is having it. Gtfo or post body to back up your ludicrous claims.
Donald Trump knows this, which is why he looks so young despite his age.
Theres a problem with your premise