Hey IST. Im 23 years old, and I'm balding fast. I'm not completely bald yet, but my hair has is becoming way too thin.
Unfortunately for any of us with this problem, everything you try to find out there will lead.you to some bullshit half assrd treatment which is only a way for Pharma companies to make money. For example, minoxidil and finasteride are two drugs which slow down hair loss, but don't really fix it; and if you stop using them, your hair will fall out. Perfect money making model for Pharma companies. Same goes with hair transplants; it's just a way for doctors to make money, because even if you get a transplant, these hairs will still fall out and you may have to get more.
I'm sure that these fuckers are blocking any progress on drugs that could actually help with hair loss. Does anyone have any information on experimental drugs or therapies which can help me stop hair loss and regrow hair? I'm sure there's something out there. Don't say embrace the baldness; I'm short and have a weird shaped head so that won't work
Experimental Therapy for Baldness?
Hey IST. Im 23 years old, and I'm balding fast. I'm not completely bald yet, but my hair has is becoming way too thin.
>is there anyway to cure my baldness?
>I don’t want to be bald
>and no I don’t want to do the tried, tested, and true interventions that actually work. I want something that works, but for some reason isn’t known and nobody is doing
I have both 1 mm and 0.5 mm dermarollers, i use the 1 mm one once a weak with min 5% and fin topical 0.1%. There is 0 new hair growth on my scalp, and hair is still falling out, there is only slight new hair growth on my forehead by those are very small tiny thin hairs which will probably just shed off before becoming thick or long
I don't want to use these Pharma garden gnome treatments that once you stop will make you bald, I want something that will actually work. Does ANYONE know of any experimental treatments that the garden gnomes are trying their best to hide so that their business with min and fin doesn't get affected? I'm sure there's something out there
>Does ANYONE know of any experimental treatments that the garden gnomes are trying their best to hide so that their business with min and fin doesn't get affected? I'm sure there's something out there
DUT/RU? those are both just less tested DHT nuking drugs that appar can cause heart issues. enjoy your loss of libido
you can look up DHT suppressant foods and supplements if you want to be a bitch instead. drink tons of green tea, tons of pumpkin seed oil, tons of saw palmetto oil, onions, flaxseed. microplastics. pretty much anything that trannies take to boost their estrogen levels and suppress test, YOU want to take that stuff too in order to save your hair
What is RU?
RU-58841 dont let it go too systemic or u might cause heart failure.
choose whats more important to you
your heart health, your penis, your libido, your sperm quality
In all honesty, why would a bald man even need his dick or libido? Not like he's getting any action.
>you can look up DHT suppressant foods and supplements if you want to be a bitch instead. drink tons of green tea, tons of pumpkin seed oil, tons of saw palmetto oil, onions, flaxseed. microplastics.
All the natural stuff in the world won't get anywhere close to even 0.1mg finasteride.
>All the natural stuff in the world won't get anywhere close to even 0.1mg finasteride.
you were responding to a chud who was posting misinformation about hair loss treatments for the purpose of scaring straight cisgender men away from safe and proven medical techniques for saving their hair.
with carrier oil
doe it help with regrowth? does it help at all or its just an essential oils meme?
google is useless. it can confirm whatever bias I want it to
i remember reading that castor oil is good for scalp health don't know if it helps with hair growth. doesn't hurt to add it into the mix
It only works if you use cat piss with it as cat piss contains essential anti hair loss enzymes which get activated by essential oils.
>Pharma garden gnome treatments that once you stop will make you bald
You need to accept that no matter what way you choose to tackle hairloss, it will begin to fall out the moment you stop your treatment, regardless how "gnomish" it seems. Every follicle on your scalp is screaming to suck up DHT and die. Nothing short of changing your genetics will stop that.
>min and fin once a week with dermarolling
>"GUYS WHY THE FUCK IS MY HAIR FALLING OUT"
you deserve going bald, stupid
Dude the CEO of Hims is a Palestinian Christian who doesn’t really like Israel. Just use topical finasteride/minoxidil and wait until gene therapy fixes this shit forever in 10-15 years. Though if you’re going bald this early you probably need to shave or take 1mg fin pills. Going bald is so bad that running the gauntlet with fin or dut is worth it. You’ve got like a 1% risk of sides from fin vs a 100% chance of going bald which is basically like dying in modern society unless you’re black in which case you can just shave.
>minoxidil and finasteride are two drugs which slow down hair loss, but don't really fix it;
They do fix it.
>and if you stop using them, your hair will fall out
In order to completely stop all hairloss forever without needing another treatment you'd either need to genetically modify your hair follicles (and only your hair follicles!) to stop having androgen receptors or you'd need to clone hair. Both options aren't feasible within the next 20 years.
>because even if you get a transplant, these hairs will still fall out
Wrong, transplanted hair is DHT-resistent and stays forever. It's the hair behind it that will continue to get lost unless you take fin/dut.
>I'm sure that these fuckers are blocking any progress on drugs that could actually help with hair loss.
There's several treatments in phase 1/2/3 trials right now, both in the US and in China.
>Don't say embrace the baldness; I'm short and have a weird shaped head so that won't work
If you're not willing to take fin/dut/minox, better start shaving now and embrace baldshortceldom.
>In order to completely stop all hairloss forever without needing another treatment you'd either need to genetically modify your hair follicles (and only your hair follicles!) to stop having androgen receptors or you'd need to clone hair. Both options aren't feasible within the next 20 years.
Very good point, there's something out there called GT20029 that I've heard of that's apparently to do with just targeting those receptors.
>There's several treatments in phase 1/2/3 trials right now, both in the US and in China.
Ok you probably already know about it then because that's where they're trialing it. Haircafe did a video on it.
If you're so autistically dead-set on not taking the drugs that exist then just get a hair system.
>b-buh I want to have the hair I had at 15 with zero effort or drugs or inconvenience at all
You and every other mf'er over 28, retard.
Let those future baldies just go bald and take themselves out of the dating market.
Start dermarolling with a 1.5mm needles, it's almost a miracle.
Microneedling by itself isn't all that effective.
Yes it is. You need to be patient.
if it's not at least a derminator 2 then it's a worthless piece of chinese dogshit that doesnt penetrate even close to the advertised 1.5mm it says it can penetrate. dermapens/rollers are 95% of them are all worthless shit. get a derminator 2 already stop the cope
>but don't really fix it; and if you stop using them, your hair will fall out. Perfect money making model for Pharma companies.
okay then you are the ideal candidate to unironically get castrated to nuke your test levels, if you're that set on a permanent way to maintain your hair.
that's the only method you can do. cut your balls off or chemically castrate yourself
Male pattern hairloss starts with DHT attaching to your follicles. How do you think a permanent cure would look like? Midwits like you are always spouting the same bullshit.
just cut ur balls off to remove DHT production
>Male pattern hairloss starts with DHT attaching to your follicles.
DHT makes your hair thicker and denser. That's why men grow body hair and beards. Also, if you go on testosterone/steroids the body hair and beard gets even thicker.
So DHT stimulates hair growth.
There is some other reason that hair falls out on the top of the head in conjunction with DHT. My theory is poor blood supply is not giving the hair follicle enough nutrients to grow properly under the influence of DHT. So DHT under poor blood supply conditions shuts down the hair follicle because there is some kind of imbalance.
The exact same thing happens where men lose hair on the bottom of their legs first as they get older. It's because the lower legs/ankles are far away from the heart and therefore have poorer blood supply.
This is also why minoxidil works as it improves blood supply.
Pic is my hair before puberty at age 12 and after at age 20, my hair got two times thicker under the influence of DHT. Even my eyebrows got thicker.
Here is a picture of a perfectly healthy monkey that also loses it hair to DHT exposure.
Some do lose their hair, others don't.
Yes because some have poor blood supply to the top of the head (furthest away from the heart, working against gravity). The fact is that DHT is a hair growth stimulator as long as the hair follicle is getting the right nutrients to grow and stay healthy, that's why men are hairier than women, they have more testosterone/DHT.
why do "some" have less blood supply to the head ?
Shit genetics. That's also why "dermarolling" works, it stimulates blood supply.
how does those "shit genetics" cause less blood supply to the top of the head again ? and what are those shit genetics called ?
Probably inferior vascularization, combined with some kind of stress response locally to the scalp.
Isn't it a coincidence that a lot of treatments for balding are related to blood or blood supply? dermarolling, minoxidil, scalp massage, etc.
i mean i get you some people have plenty body hair and beards (high dht) and still have those juvenile type of hairline like you have, but you still haven't given me a satisfying explaination as an why some people have inferior vasculartion ? if that was the only cause of why dht causes baldness in some people as you said
Theres probably multiple different things happening at the same time in people susceptible.
-poor blood flow
-the poor blood flow might cause excessive DHT to overload the hair follicle under poor nutrient conditions
-the bodies inflammatory or immune system is overreacting to the above or some other scalp issue
-the bodies cells deteriorating in function due to aging. genetically weak hair follicles that degrade fast. Some people deteriorate faster. Like some people get grey hair earlier and faster than others, their melanin producing cells shut down faster
In people who bald easily they have unfortunate genetics when it comes to all these things.
I'm just guessing based on some common sense things I've noticed (like the leg hair loss during aging starting at the part furthest away from the heart where blood supply is weakest (cold feet and ankles are also a sign of poor blood flow in these areas). I'm not saying I'm right or anything.
Dermarolling by itself doesn’t work all that well in the studies.
The reason some men have poor nutrient supply to their scalp is because of the genetics lottery handing them scalp tissue follicles that that are susceptible to having DHT bind to receptors that otherwise would be bringing in nutrients and so the follicles die out over time.
When DHT binds to follicle receptors and those follicles are properly nourished by good blood supply, this triggers hair growth.
When DHT binds to follicle receptors and those follicles are not properly nourished due to poor blood supply, this causes the hair follicle to slow or shut down function. There needs to be a balance between DHT and nutrients. When they are imbalanced DHT stresses the follicle and causes it to stop producing hair.
It's like sun only causes plants to grow if they are getting the right nutrients and water from the soil. Otherwise the sun damages the plant.
>poor blood supply
how do I bloodflowmaxx?
There's also a correpation with the scalp tightening. All bald men have a tight scalp and all men with hair have a thicker looser scalp. There was even a study done where small amounts of botox were injected into the scalps of bald men causing them to regrow hair
If this was true then men who don't experience MPB would have better scalp hair than women, but almost all men have less hair count and thinner individual hairs than almost all women. Teenage boys have less and thinner hair than geriatric women. DHT is the main culprit, but it goes deeper than that. Androgens in general, not just DHT, cause hair miniaturization, full stop, the important factor is how much androgens your hair can handle before it starts to miniaturize, EVERYBODY will experience miniaturization if they have enough androgens in their body. More plates more dates talks about blasting tren while on dutasteride, testing with absolutely zero DHT in his body, but extremely high testosterone, and experienced hair miniaturization, that halted once his testosterone was allowed to lower.
Block androgens, or go bald, those are your options, no prayers or pixie dust are going to save your hair.
I...don't believe you. I won't...
The good news though, is that blocking DHT reduces the androgen load enough to stop miniaturization in almost all men, with no negative side effects in almost all men.
>My theory is poor blood supply is not giving the hair follicle enough nutrients to grow properly under the influence of DHT.
So why wouldn't minoxidil work forever and not just 1-2 years?
The man is talking out of his ass. Yes there is a link between blood supply and hair but he's drawing a conclusion that androgenic hair loss is a blood supply issue and not a genetic one.
Who says it's two years?
Minoxidil doesn't completely reverse the poor blood flow or the damage it caused in the past. And as you get older your vasculature only gets weaker. For example, older people are more prone to varicose veins or aneurisms as their veins deteriorate. It's not just your skin getting older and wrinklier as you get older, it's every organ made out of collagen, etc inside your body that you can't see with the naked eye. It just deteriorates as you age.
You are right but you are also mistaken.
DHT in people without propensity to MPB helps hair grow thicker everywhere including the head, where there is MPB the DHT is used as a response to some inflammatory process occurring in the area then DHT is send there in much larger quantities than normal which causes miniaturization. blood flow also plays a role in this problem but at the end of the day DHT and blood flow are not the cause but a consequence of another problem that we don't know so we call it "genetics or predisposition".
The only ways we know to help this is by cutting DHT or improving blood flow.
Improving bloodflow without cutting DHT only provides improvement for a bit while accelerating the problem since the more bloodflow the more DHT brought to the follicles.
Can’t speak as to the mechanisms but dermapen+ minoxidil absolutely improved my hairline significantly. Density too. Bald spot took longer but eventually filled in pretty well. Over about a year and a half.
whats your dermapen? is it the derminator 2 perchance?
>The exact same thing happens where men lose hair on the bottom of their legs first as they get older.
That's just traction alopecia from wearing socks
use things that reduce DHT like green tea or saw palmetto
Massage head muscles to reduce tension
Hang your head upside to get blood to scalp
Use red light therapy
Use Rosemary Oil
>Hang your head upside to get blood to scalp
cant you just do moderate intensity cardio, sports, or even walk more throughout the day to get blood flowing?
Imagine doing all this dumb placebo shit and still losing your hair
There's a molecule called SCUBE3 that supposedly does this
Maybe you can find some sort of trial of that
In the meantime you need to get on fin and min though
The reason why I don't wanna go bald is because I was too cocky in high school and college and had a full head of hair then. Imagine if I were to bump into my classmates today. I couldn't handle being bald. I need fin.
Being bald is like being 5'1. You're just asking to be made fun of.
I’m 6ft1 33 yo, hair is starting to thin a little. Probably will go bald when I’m 40. What does it matter anyway when you’re old?
Yeah just accept it bro. Decline is natural and everything, why bother amirite?
I threw the kitchen sink at my thinking front. Minoxidil, finasteride, nanoxidil, expensive shampoo from DS Labs, microneedling/roller. I will say, it has improved quite a bit. I no longer look at my hairline with the kind of sadness I was experiencing. The fancy shampoo actually really does make it look immediately thicker.
>nanoxidil, expensive shampoo from DS Labs
Worthless for hair growth
I'd rather use a dermastamp in combination with minoxidil.
The fancy shampoo from DS labs might not make it grow like the other stuff, but I'm telling you it immediately makes it look/feel thicker. I should be more regular with my microneedling. MPMD Swears by it. He says that microneedling plus the other stuff will double your growth.
Bros, I started oral minox and microdose oral finasteride too after using topical fin/min for months and trying normal doses of oral fin before that.
The hair shed I'm getting right now is fucking insane. When I comb my hair, fucking WADS of hairs come out. The worst part is, I can't tell if I'm shedding because the switch is working really well and unhealthy follicles are shedding out and rejuvenating, or if I'm shedding because it's NOT working and I'm shedding all the gains I made on topical fin/min.
It probably means it's working. Hair doesn't naturally go into massive simultaneous sheds like that unless caused by an illness or extreme cases of stress. The balding process is your hairs getting reduced to finer and finer hairs gradually over time until they simply don't grow back, not full hairs falling out all together.
Why'd you switch to oral. I'm afraid of it. Doing topical atm
Oral minoxodil bro. My oral minox shipment should arrive next month. What dose are you taking?
5mg per day.
Someone is eager to have a heart attack.
If you want to take 5mg per day, split it into two 2.5mg doses over the day.
I take 5mg every 12hrs, and regrew my hair with no issues, sounds like a skill issue to me.
Even when dudes were taking 50mg daily for hypertension the reported heart effects were a tiny subsection of the side effect profile.
I take 5mg at night and feel no different.
There are far more powerfull antiandrogenes when people need to block testosterone for that or other reason.. Why should they even be harmful for heart? Just red about it on Reddit 5 mins ago and now here.
Minoxidil isn't an anti-androgen tardfag.
Minoxidil isn't commonly used as blood pressure medication anymore nowadays because it can kill you due to water retetion around your heart.
Yeah at 8x or more the normal dose it's used for hair gains.
Most dudes taking oral min are taking 1.25-2.5mg daily.
1.25mg-2.5mg may be relatively safe imo but taking 5mg all at once could be dangerous.
RU is not the same as minoxidil.
not the same at all, i just red about similar side effects. I also never tried minox orally, just topicaly.
i red this entry
The fuck is oral minoxidil?
I thought it seeped into the head and protected the follicle. What would a pill you ingest do?
Is.. is that big green line bad?
What would these levels be with topical minoxidil?
>I thought it seeped into the head and protected the follicle.
Minoxidil promotes bloodflow as a vasilodilator.
Is that all it does? Couldn't you just scalp massage?
But then again, minoxidil can make facial hair grow and then after it is activated, you no longer need it unlike on your head. I guess maybe those dormant facial hairs just need some blood flow and after that, they do it by themselves? Weird on that part.
But how the f would an oral minoxidil pill work then
>as shown in the table.
Lol oh yeah didn't even see that. So it's nothing compared to the pills.
>Minoxidil at regular doses (10-100mg) is known to cause heart failure in up to 5% of patients taking it
Alright no fucking way would I ever touch that.
The more a guy just wants hair, the more chances of him actually dying occur. Madness.
>Is that all it does? Couldn't you just scalp massage?
Most blood medication doesn't regrow hair (otherwise viagra would regrow hair which it doesn't). Minoxidil's mechanism for hair growth isn't well understood yet.
I just thought it seeped in and protected the follicle from dht attacking and shrinking it.
>Minoxidil's mechanism for hair growth isn't well understood yet.
I used it many years ago, and haven't got an anal tumor yet, but that's still kinda scary, it should really still be a trail drug.
>I just thought it seeped in and protected the follicle from dht attacking and shrinking it.
It actually doesn't, since minoxidil eventually loses efficiency in the absence of a 5AR blocker. Your hair follicles are still being destroyed in the background.
It actually makes it worse. The increased bloodflow that min alone causes just brings more DHT to the follicle to fuck its shit up.
Ideal stack is low dose oral min/fin combined with normal dose topical min and low dose topical fin. Only shitty thing is that topical fin/min gives you fucking insane dandruff.
>The increased bloodflow that min alone causes just brings more DHT to the follicle to fuck its shit up.
Afaik DHT is being produced near the hair follicles to begin with so it shouldn't matter.
There is no point to minoxidil only unless you're using it on your beard which actually thrives on DHT.
>unless you're using it on your beard which actually thrives on DHT.
So wouldn't that indicate it does increase dht in the area and thus on the head too? 😐
Minoxidil can activate inactive hair follicles and make them grow while on it. In your beard, you can eventually stop using it and the activated hair follicle will still continue to grow even in the presence of DHT.
Oral minoxidil has a black box warning for that.
Source on 5% of patients getting heart failure?
I'm actually one of the (apparently) few that got erectile dysfunction from fin.
First 2 weeks, I seemed to have an increased libido and hard woodys, awesome I thought. Then after that, nope. Captains dead.
So much so that I had to use viagra to plow.
never taking oral pills again.
You nocebo'd yourself m8
Even topical finasteride goes systemic and reduces blood DHT levels by 40%, yet nearly no one reports any sides on it because sides are mostly in your head.
I dunno about that, it's not like I had a big worry, I mostly classed those sides as nothingburgers. But it still happened.
I think I was, the standard dose? This was a few years ago.
How old were you? What was your body fat %? Did you have a lot of body hair?
I'm not really fat, and I was like 40 lol. Not a lot of body hair. Pretty much totally bald but I wanted to see if it could reverse any hairloss.
>and I was like 40 lol.
About the age where ED naturally begins to occur then.
>Not a lot of body hair.
And you had low DHT to begin with.
Yeah not a great combination.
>About the age where ED naturally begins to occur then.
I'm still youthful!
>And you had low DHT to begin with.
So I need high dht for a woody?
>So I need high dht for a woody?
More like people who have high DHT to begin with can safely afford to suppress most of it with finasteride while those with low DHT but high follicle sensitivity react worse.
Dang I got dealt a bad hand of cards.
Were you taking 1mg a day? That's basically overdosing on fin and likely the reason some get dick effects from it.
1mg isn't overdosing at all. It gives you the most DHT suppression while still being a relatively low dose (compared to 5mg finasteride for BPH).
Personally, I handle 1mg/day with zero sides and only at 2mg/day do I start to feel depressed.
>It gives you the most DHT suppression
0.5mg of finasteride gives you the same amount of DHT suppression for two days before it even begins to recover. That extra 0.5mg of fin does literally nothing for a man but raise their chance of side effects. Even as the chart says that I just posted, because of the cumulative effect of finasteride in your tissues, even as little as 0.05mg per day will be suppressing 60%+ DHT after 42 days.
1mg per day is an overdose. The only reason it is the standard is because that's what was used in the trials for FDA approval so it's what doctors in America have to prescribe.
>0.5mg of finasteride gives you the same amount of DHT suppression for two days before it even begins to recover
There's slightly more scalp DHT suppression at 1%. Given that even 0.5mg dutasteride works way better than 1mg finasteride despite only 10% more scalp DHT suppression, every percentage counts.
>The only reason it is the standard is because that's what was used in the trials for FDA approval so it's what doctors in America have to prescribe.
Men back then were shorter and weighed less.
>There's slightly more scalp DHT suppression at 1%.
Your own chart
1 mg is OK, 5 mg is for prostata.
400% dose for 7% better effect is not OK.
7% more DHT suppression matters a lot when it comes to regrowth.
So what would be the point in minoxidil only?
>Is.. is that big green line bad?
Minoxidil at regular doses (10-100mg) is known to cause heart failure in up to 5% of patients taking it. That's why keeping the blood concentrations of it low is important. Topical minoxidil only has low levels of systemic absorption as shown in the table.
>Minoxidil at regular doses (10-100mg) is known to cause heart failure in up to 5% of patients taking it.
Oral minoxodil seems sketch to me. I hear it ages you if nothing else. I'm sticking to topical for now
>I hear it ages you if nothing else
Fakking hell. A guy just wants some hair, you get aged, have a heart attack, a floppy dick, spend thousands on a transplant.
Kevin Mann actually did a video on that. There's research in mice indicating that oral minoxidil could even increase elastin production which would de-age your skin. But sadly there's no research on its effect on collagen production.
That said, you can use tretinoin/adapalene to increase collagen production of your skin.
I don't want to roid, bro. Topical pharmies for hair growth are sketchy enough. I'm not even willing to swallow hair pills. The only thing I'll ingest is some natural stuff like saw palmetto (and that has already reduced my erections and sex drive). I'd get off it, but it seems to help me cope with my long term relationship issues.
>The only thing I'll ingest is some natural stuff like saw palmetto (and that has already reduced my erections and sex drive).
Careful there bro, I read reddit anecdotes of people taking saw palmetto and getting permanent ED from it.
I'll check it out. So basically the same risk as oral fin?
I read forum anecdotes of people who took finasteride just fine, added saw palmetto and got sides. Don't do saw palmetto, kids.
Why not hair transplantation?
If you do that you till have to take finasteride so the rest of it doesn't fall out.
use minox, eat good, accept it will fall off and you either need a ticket to istanbul or rock bald
you're just retarded i think
There’s no need to accept shit when fin and dut exist. Eating well won’t help at all.
Is this good?
No hairloss, but bald dad.
Probably will help. The fin does the heavy work.
dont dermaroll two days apart wtf. you should do it a week a part at the minimum. personally i'd wait two weeks.
LED increases hair growth of whatever you already have, but it won't put fallen hair back.
but but that bald f1 pilot said he grew back his hair with red light therapy
mirin those digits
I'm on 4 months of fin and my hair looks like shit. I can't tell if it's shedding because I'm not seeing hairs come out.
You'll notice if shedding. Apparently not everyone sheds, but most do. 4 months is also no time at all, it usually takes 1-2 years for full effect unless you're a freak responder.
Guess I'm rocking the Ludwig van Koopa until then.
Wait, metformin facilitates hair regrowth??? That's fucking awesome. I have slight insulin resistance and was already considering metformin, so it seems like killing two birds with one stone. I'm only afraid of permanently fucking up my pancreas while trying to fight temporary discomforts. Has anyone had their share of experience with metformin?
I mean, the ice burg also mentions traveling through time to your former self and giving them fin. I'd take it with a grain of salt.
The jaw thing seems to be real though.
if i have a deep bite i have that mallocclusion ?
If your top teeth stick out much further than your lower teeth that is a class 2 malocclusion
my teeth look like pic rel, idk it says it causes baldness at the vertex but i don't have that, only hairline recession, would braces alone fix this ? or it can't be fixed ?
I'm not a doctor lol.
Go to an orthodontist and ask if you have a malocclusion that can be treated (will require jaw surgery)
>farming body hair with minoxodil for hair transplants
Man, baling is the third most unfair shit men have to endure.
it's other way around 3 to 1 in terms of worst
“Manletism” is cope. I’m 5’7 and have thrusted into many hoes, a handful even taller than me. I’m married now.
Quality > Quantity anon
mfw I check 2 out of 3 and my penis is pushing it because its barely avg girth.
You can do low light laser therapy
You can use rosemary essential oil which works just as well as rogain
You can take biotin, zinc and vitamn D at max doses.
once it's lost you can't get it back outside of a hair transplant
from what ive read recovery is a bitch but it's only for a week and you'll see new growth in less than a year
saw palmetto and astaxanthin might help
just shave it
looking slightly better isn't worth losing the peace of mind of just grabbing a razor and not thinking about your hair AT ALL
Most men look like total shit bald and it will ruin both your dating and social life unless you are 60+.
>unless you are 60+
I literally listened to three 6+ year old women joking about bald men and how they'd leave their husbands if they went bald just a few weeks ago.
Some people understand that women are the most vapid shallow creatures on gods green earth and heed it.
Everyone else gets no pussy.
Unless you have hyper aggressive balding Finasteride will stop 90-99% of balding.
>Bald people rubbing useless oils on their hair
Can fin really kill your benis for life? 😀 fug
It can't. Some people really do get temporary ED due to changing estrogen levels but that always resolves itself within 3-6 months.
Regardless, a bald man has no need for his penis.
Does vaping/weed cause hair thinning? I need to know.
Smoking definitely does lead to hair thinning.
Only if you're already pre-disposed to it.
The bottom line is it's genetic. Simple as. Homeless dudes who are on crack can have perfect hair if they don't have the balding curse.
It got better after I stopped weed and started taking biotin/collagen supplements but still not as good as before
I literally never see bald homeless people
Pyrilutamide, RU58841, topical finasteride, topical dutasteride, topical minoxidil infused with finadteride, and microneedling. You're welcome.
read about this one, forgot. This one ihibits DHT as such, not the conversion of testosterone into DHT. Don't know if there is any difference, sounds like it might be harmful for testosterone.
RU competes with DHT and testosterone for androgen receptors.
Do you happen to know if you can mix 50mg of RU58841 in fluridil without messing up the chemicals? I got some but I'm not trying topical minox yet just fin atm.
I'm no expert in RU, but fluridil is hydrophobic so I don't know how well those two would go together.
There is dutosteride which is like 10-15% more potent then finasteride but I think that's it.
Does dut have the same sides as fin?
I don't see any side effects from fin, but it depends on genetics.
Finasteride inhibits 40% scalp DHT at 1mg/day. Dutasteride inhibits 50% scalp DHT at 0.5mg/day and 80% scalp DHT at 2.5mg/day. At that level of scalp DHT suppression most people should get enourmous amounts of regrowth, especially if combined with minoxidil.
Where is the drug that makes hair follicles immune to DHT production, rather than blocking DHT entirely? Why hasn't some pajeet or garden gnome or chink scientist invented this yet?? What the fuck.
It's called low dose topical finasteride.
>$45 a month
Make it yourself dumdum.
Yes. Finasteride absorbs through skin incredibly well on its own. That's why you need to literally not have it anywhere near a pregnant woman including not in your body.
I crush up finasteride pills and put it in my rosemary oil. Does that count?
If you're already using topicals, why not mix topical finasteride with something that actually works like minoxidil and/or stemoxydine?
>Where is the drug that makes hair follicles immune to DHT production
You'd need actual gene editing to achieve that.
Okay say we put a joint team of gnomish and Chink scientists in one room with all the chimpanzees they could dream of abusing. How many days would it take for them to invent this drug?
The research just isn't there yet. Even with CRISPR the most you'd achieve is disable ALL androgen receptors in your body which would kill you.
Okay tell me what major I have to be in to do CRISPR gene editing and I will transfer right now.
Probably something related to biology.
>just shave it bro
And then you'll look ugly and stay an incel forever.
>castrating yourselves with fin and min isn't worth it.
Neither finasteride nor minoxidil affect male fertility. You're thinking of being bald which definitely does have an impact on fertility.
>a centimeter of hairline away from finally getting a gf
I didn't realize IST was just a bunch of coping manlets. I already get puss so maybe I should just go back to IST tbh
>I didn't realize IST was just a bunch of coping manlets.
You can only become a BAD BOI without hair.
Transplanted hair does not fall off you retard
Why are hairloss threads so prevalent on this board? Just shave it bros, castrating yourselves with fin and min isn't worth it.
IST is the looksmaxxing board. Everyone is here because they think that they're just 10lbs on their bench, one inch of calf circumference, and a centimeter of hairline away from finally getting a gf.
Having hair is a requirement for getting a gf but not enough on its own.
>anon has never heard of IST
can we have skin bleaching threads then for the people who do that?
You're a fucking retard. Those losers have no idea about what makes a man attractive.
>Maybe if I buy the new air force 1's I'll finally have an IST GF
I would be on IST because I don't care about working out, but that board is too slow.
You don't get it. I'm 5'6, my dad is 5'5 and bald. It isn't even an issue of attractiveness or getting laid, it's more of an aesthetics thing at this point. You cannot possibly look good both short and balding at the same time. I either workout and look like an actual drawf, or I keep my hair with finasteride and stay slim. Literally my only options.
I'm 6' and can't afford to go bald either because my head is too big.
I'm 6'6" lanklet tier on perma-bulk to try to fill out my frame and I have a head the size of a cinder block (literally, not an exaggeration, from bottom of my chin to top of my dome is the same length as the length of a cinder block). If I let myself go bald I'd look like one of those Signs ayyyy lmaos stalking around.
BUT DWAYNE THE ROCK JOHNSON BRO
Depends, my dad looked OK shaved on his young photos, I tried shaving and looked retarded.
I also cannot grow a beard and I'm pretty sure my head isn't as round on top as my dad's. I would 100% take lower libido if it means I can keep my thick head of hair.
on a scale of 1 to 10 how much does this picture annoy you? do you like his hair? does yours look like this?
He's obviously hiding his temple recession. Given a year of constant growth I could easily look the same.
This is me except idgaf about the thot.
But she is the measure of your value, anon. You should care.
Have gf with 2 kids. Probably gonna get an additional gf soon. This one is approaching 40s and has a low sex drive
Is 0.25mg x3 a week too little?
Depends on your genetics. If you're a NW3 at 20, it is too little. If you're starting to slightly thin at 40, it could just be enough.
That should be more than fine to preserve whatever you've got. Topical is better for suppressing scalp DHT though.
Would going on NoFap for a month reduce your DHT levels at all?
Why would something that's supposed to increase your testosterone decrease your DHT levels?
I don't need DHT. I am a NEET who sleeps till 1PM every day, then watches Twitch streams, browse IST, and my only friends are high school friends on Discord. But I don't wanna be an ugly NEET. I wanna be one with thick messy hair like Einstein.
Then finasteride/dutasteride is your friend.
Get your nuts chopped off, stop taking test, and start taking estrogen. That's the ONLY way to stop balding. Or you can just be a man and grow a beard.
>That's the ONLY way to stop balding.
Finasteride and dutasteride are scientifically proven ways to stop balding and even reverse it in the majority of cases. Neither drug affects fertility or your manliness (outside of somewhat decreased body hair).
>Or you can just be a man and grow a beard.
You mean look like an old soiboy.
Says the baldcel
Man that sucks. I'm 40 and I'm thankful I still have a full set of hair. Thank god for half of my genes are Asian.
I’d rather be bald then half Asian kek
I got Tom Cruise type looks with a hint of Keanu Reeves. Enjoy looking like a dried prune when you reach 29 lol!
Show pic gay
Oh I have the exact same problem. Just took a shower and noticed my hair being thinnier than ever.
I have had this little project of fighting baldness for almost a year already, supplements, scalp massaging, healthy lifestyle, all of this natural approach to this problem I've proved worthless. It stopped the shed but not thinning. I'm admitting the reality and consider chud pills. Is dutasteride actually effective?
Considering how retarded you are and actually believe that 5-AR inhibitors are "chud drugs", why not just shave it, grow a beard and hit the gym like all the dudebros and guys on reddit say? Women love bald guys after all, just be confident bro! Look at Jason Statham, The Rock and Vin Diesel!
they are. fintrannies are even worse than roidtrannies. at least they take male hormones you're feminising yourself
>at least they take male hormones you're feminising yourself
Finasteride increases testosterone by 15% though.
But as I said, if that's how you think about finasteride or dutasteride just don't take them then. Go do your retarded scalp massages, do handstands, take biotin and watch how your hair continues to fall out until the point of no return. When you reach that point, you can look into the mirror and see an old, sick man. From there, it's either roping or coping.
Why would I? I have a full head of hair. And normal DHT levels like a normal non-dysgenic non-feminised man
Neither finasteride nor dutasteride will feminize you. Actual trannies take both estradiol and a testosterone blocker in order to transition while 5-AR blockers will increase your free testosterone and only increase estrogen slightly.
A little schizo bro science here, but it actually seems to make some sense.
It's particularly important for the guys out there who are terrified of finasteride and dutasteride because a bunch of trannies literally pump out misinformation about those drugs.
If you're afraid of using drugs, and if you want to risk staying away from proven drugs that work, then this video is for you.
If scalp tension was actually correct, transplanted hair would miniaturize and affected hair transplanted to your elbow would not continue to miniaturize. From the clinical studies on hair transplants, the opposite was observed which debunks the scalp tension theory completely.
I hope you're not a finchud calling other people trannies, chud
Hair signals virility. Not having hair is like being castrated, therefore baldcels are also trannies.
A little riddle for our dear fintrannies. what catalyzes following reactions?
tip: you're inhibting it when you take your little chud pills
Finasteride has been on the market for 31 years now and is in the top 100 of most popular drugs, yet there's never been any clinical study done indicating that using finasteride will have negative impacts on men outside of those few % who do get side effecs (and even they recover within 3-6 months of getting off finasteride).
Long term finasteride use is even correlated with longevity according to https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36547981/
So even if finasteride really does inhibit all of those enzymes (and I'd really like to see a source for that), if there's no negative outcome data for it the body either has no need for those enzymes or there are backdoor pathways for creating them.
The side effects are vastly underreported. Merck actually got into bad trouble for lieing about the safety profile of fin during the pilot phase. There are actually a host of studies that show how bad fin is for your body. From the obvious sexual stuff to the more obscure things like alteration of gut microbiota. It's a slow and cumulative process of course, you don't take fin for a few weeks and you dick falls off
I don't doubt fin is linked to increased longevity btw, as androgenic activity is inversely related to lifespan
>The side effects are vastly underreported
>Merck actually got into bad trouble for lieing about the safety profile of fin during the pilot phase.
Even follow up studies have shown a similar side effect profile which was reported in the phase 3 study.
>There are actually a host of studies that show how bad fin is for your body.
None of them are quality studies (randomized, placebo-controlled). In fact, most of them are just anecdotal studies from the PFS Foundation which is trying to get rich from suing Merck.
>From the obvious sexual stuff to the more obscure things like alteration of gut microbiota.
Which has never been shown in any randomized, placebo-controlled study and doesn't appear to have any negative outcome (otherwise participants in the studies would have reported issues with constipation etc.).
>It's a slow and cumulative process of course
How slow are we talking here? Aren't 31 years enough? Or does finasteride only show it's supposed "cumulative negative effects" after your 200th birthday?
>I don't doubt fin is linked to increased longevity btw, as androgenic activity is inversely related to lifespan
So finasteride doesn't affect your quality of life and actually makes you life a bit longer.
"Fecal microbiota of 23 PFS patients was analyzed by 16S rRNA gene sequencing and compared with that reported in ten healthy male subjects."
"As expected, the most relatively abundant phyla in healthy and PFS subjects were Firmicutes (mean±SD; Healthy: 45.4±7.0; PFS: 57.6±17.3; p=0.09) and Bacteroidetes (Healthy: 40.4±15.0; PFS: 34.8±17.3; p=0.40) (Fig. 3a). PFS group was significantly depleted in Proteobacteria (Healthy: 10.2±15.6; PFS: 4.5±11.3; p=0.009) and Actinobacteria (Healthy: 22.6±2.5; PFS: 4.5±3.5; p=0.0003) (Fig. 3a). "
As I said, this is a study by the PFS Foundation and not randomized nor placebo-controlled. For all we know, those guys could have been eating a shitty diet, taking antibiotics etc. which would all affect their microbiome.
In the actual RPC studies done on finasteride, none of the participants mentioned constipation, diarrhea or stomach pain as a side effect which would have indicated changes in the microbiome.
Now you could go claim that this change is "subtle" so none of the patients would notice, but we haven't even had a verified case report of someone suffering from microbiome issues over the past 31 years nor does this affect longevity of the patients to any degree.
Read this study. Very recent and impartial:
Advances in Knowledge of Androgens: How Intentional and Accidental Neurosteroid Changes Inform Us of Their Action and Role
"Through competitive binding, finasteride is a potent inhibitor of type II 5ɑ-R (mean inhibitory concentration, or IC50, of 69 nM). Finasteride has also been shown to be similarly potent in binding to the type III isoenzyme of 5ɑ-R (IC50 17.4 vs. 14.3 nM for 5ɑ-R type II) when tested in a HEK-293 in vitro cell preparation . The type II isoenzyme of 5ɑ-R predominates in the clinical targets for MPB and BPH, the hair follicles and prostate, respectively, and is also expressed in the liver, seminal vesicle, and epididymis [67, 85]. Approximately one-third of circulating levels of DHT are due to the actions of the type I isoenzymes, with the rest from the actions of the other isoenzymes [67, 85, 86]. Based on preferential binding and the tissue-specific expression of 5ɑ-R type II, finasteride was initially considered to have little potential for adverse actions in other tissues, beyond the hair follicles and prostate. Importantly, there are differential expression patterns of 5ɑ-R isoenzymes in different tissues, and developmental periods [67, 68]. Finasteride binds both types II and III, which are expressed in the brain opening the door to these other neural effects."
>Based on preferential binding and the tissue-specific expression of 5ɑ-R type II, finasteride was initially considered to have little potential for adverse actions in other tissues, beyond the hair follicles and prostate. Importantly, there are differential expression patterns of 5ɑ-R isoenzymes in different tissues, and developmental periods [67, 68]. Finasteride binds both types II and III, which are expressed in the brain opening the door to these other neural effects
huh I didn't even know there were more than two types of 5ar
I don’t understand what the big deal is? Or you get a hairtransplant or you go bald, either way you stop whining like a little child and take it like a man
Not OP, but a real man doesn't listen to other people's opinions of how a real men is supposed to act. Strictly adhering to social norms is something only women do.
its all about the GT20029
It will still take years for it to come out even if the phase 2 and 3 studies go well.
I'll say this, I'm not sure about finasteride, but I know from experience how low, medium and high DHT feels like, mentally, and to me it's a world of difference. DHT-derived steroids ( like masteron) make me feel happy, masculine, confident and energetic, while finasteride made me feel off. Not myself. It was subtle but there
do dht derivative steroids work like natural dht in the body though ?
They both bind to the the androgen receptor
I don't know about DHT, but I haven't had it in my body in years.
>Experimental Therapy for Baldness
I'd love to hear about any anons that tried this
I've been taking fin MWF for two weeks and feel like my hair is healthier. Is this placebo? To be fair, not much hair loss before.
Placebo. It takes months for the hair affected by fin to regrow into new healthier hairs. You might notice some thickening after 3 or so months.
MWF is mon, wed, fri. So three times a week for 2 weeks. I have had no shed, but no hair loss before either, just suspected thinning. Does that mean I don't actually need fin then?
I'm not a dermatologist and I have no idea what your hair looks like. If you think youre losing ground on your hair and are currently taking fin, it will take 3-6 months before you see know if it's working.
The dermatologist said nothing was wrong with my hair. So maybe I have the hair version of anorexia but I feel like there's less density compared to two years ago. I can't tell if I'm losing ground because it's not like I can go back to 2020 to touch my hair back then.
If you have normal hair but are taking 5ar inhibitors you might have an actual mental illness
Anyone can take fin.
You just have to believe you'll be bald one day.
I imagine I may be bald in 30 years, so I may as well start taking it now.
Rolling the dice on your health because you might become bald in the far future is unhinged female behaviour
>aryan white man being proactive
I thought IST would love this
>left is now
Why does every fucking retard post the after pic on the left now?
Die in a fucking fire.
did you get the science juice?
are we allowed to ask about that? it's the elephant in the room. some people are open minded enough to discuss. others have their heads in the sand and refuse to even go there.
they are literally using m RNA technology to treat baldness and hair loss.
youre such a gay. men don't exist anymore, I swear to god
How deep have you gone?
I still have thick hair but I'm fully prepared to shave it if I start losing it. I simply don't care, I get no pussy regardless.
That's what everyone with a full head of hair says
Picture is missing obscure mice studies
>minoxidil the only thing to reduce it
otherwise you can either do a transplant or just embrace it. Literally nothing else to do besides waste money on all the millions of different propaganda that were made to suck money of desperate people, dont fall for it
Wise sir in the ways of hair, can you tell me what the surgeon will recommend after the hair transplant surgery?
I keep meaning to take the plunge with fin but all the PFS stories and propeciahelp weirdos scare me off it, I'd rather have a working dick than be bald but then again some of the stuff they say is total schizo nonsense, like saying it made their skin sag off their body. Have any of you anons gotten PFS/something like it?
>skin sag off their body
>something like it?
I went to the subreddit once and saw a thread where these dudes were complaining that finasteride had changed their faces. It was so fucking retarded, the definition of hypochondria. They were posting pics of their faces from like a year ago and then a current one in their room with bad lighting and looking miserable, saying shit like "my face got fatter... abloobloobloo." It was the most ridiculous crap I'd have ever seen. Your face will obviously look different in a year you stupid gay, no shit, for a number of reasons (aging, lifestyle, etc), and I didn't even see any real difference.
Creatine companies spreading propaganda.
Creatine needs new consumers, so they have to steal some from the finasteride crowd. It's quite sad really.
PFS is very controversial and personally I don't believe in it, but inhibiting 5ar is not something done lightly, that's for damn sure
Like untill recently we didn't even know there existed a third type of 5ar, and now we know that finasteride actually inhibits that isotype of 5ar as well, in the brain, leading to neurological outcomes that we have no idea about. That's very sketchy to me. We just don't know enough atm
Well before that, we didn't even know what the brain was. We thought our hearts were our thinking organ and that humans had souls that lived in the heart and that was why we had free will. And if we did ooga booga and bing bing bong bong we could cure cancer and tuberculosis and baldness with the aid of Jesus Christ our lord and savior. We didn't bathe, or whip our asses, or brush our teeth, or open windows at night because we thought the bad moron toxins would seep into our skin and turn us into Irish lepers. Now we care about some gnomish isotope? Don't care about the AR15 isotopic hormonals inhibitor or whatever it's called. If I don't see it with my own eyes, I don't believe in it. If I don't feel it moving in my stomach, I don't believe it exists.
Is it normal to have one temple look different from the other? Like they aren't even?
Mine are but that's because I've already taken Fin long enough that my temples are starting to fill back in again. You can sorta see my hairline sorta slant upwards from left to right if I pull my hair back bt it's not at all noticeable
I was told that temples don't grow back and fin/min only revives diffuse thinning.
The truth is nobody knows how your hair will respond to fin and min. Some people continue to lose hair, some simply halt the advance with some extra thickness, some revert to NW-1 subhuman monkey tier hairlines.
We don't know why this happens and anyone that tells you they do know why is a fucking liar.
My temples are growing back on fin and min. it does work surprisingly although not for everyone
Yeah. One is a lot more recessed than the other on mine.
>both parents have good hair
>balding at 24
hows ur mother side grandpas' hair?
>Retard won’t spend $1/day to keep his hair
Sad! Many such cases!
>Mine costs 5 USD a month...
I have no idea why people keep getting screwed on fin prices.
People who do keeps are literally being fleeced hand over fist and it makes me want to get in on the game.